Time Nick Message 12:11 kados g'morning #koha 12:11 slef hi 12:11 kados welcome to Koha Project Day 12:11 kados :-) 12:11 slef what spec servers are you running koha-zebra on? 12:11 kados dell poweredge 1800 IIRC 12:12 kados with 4 gigs of ram 12:12 kados one processor 12:12 slef I think that means all but one of my current koha-2.2s should move up OK 12:13 slef and pretty much all new servers should be fine 12:13 kados yea 12:13 kados well, think of it this way 12:13 kados it improves the speed of 2.2 :-) 12:13 slef is that amount of RAM needed or just useful? 12:13 kados so if you can do 2.2 on the box, you should see significant improvements with koha-zebra 12:13 kados just useful 12:14 kados you could run it on almost no ram if you wanted 12:14 slef swap city ;-) 12:33 slef Do you have a project slate for today? 12:55 kados well this morning I have to wrap up a few non-KPD stuff 12:55 kados I spaced yesterday 12:55 kados hoping to get started with KPD around noon (3 hours from now) 12:56 kados probably will work on Koha 3.0 interface design for setarters 12:56 kados slef: you planning to work on the installer? 12:56 slef yep, planning to have another crack at installing 3.0, making notes and seeing what to do 12:57 slef I've a few things to do before the shops shut (2 hours from now), so I guess I'll probably end up starting around the same time as you, all being well 12:57 kados sweet! 12:57 kados slef++ 13:07 slef first, I shall suspend this PC for a few hours 15:54 kados hey BoSchafers 15:55 kados BoSchafers: we're about to get started here :-) 15:59 kados hey pecisk 15:59 BoSchafers ah yes? with what? I'm in Oz so its late in the eve here 15:59 kados Tina and I are going to work on defining Koha 3.0 interface design :-) 15:59 kados she's here in the office with me 15:59 kados I think slef's going to work on a new installer 16:00 BoSchafers so this is the so called koha day im witnessing :) ? 16:00 kados chris, mason and russ won't be here for another 5 hours or so (they are in NZ) 16:00 kados BoSchafers: it is :-) 16:00 slef fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) 16:00 slef oh yeah, root crashed the server lots 16:01 kados Ryan's got a client deadline so he won't be joining us ... we've got a golive tomorrow for Barberton PL 16:01 kados that leaves sara, not sure what she's working on 16:02 slef kados: do I want head or dev_week for zebra? 16:02 kados head please 16:02 dewey head is head 16:03 slef dewey: you watch it, or I'll say something offensive, you botsnack-muncher 16:03 dewey thanks slef :) 16:03 kados heh 16:04 BoSchafers well this is all a bit over my head at this stage....think I'll turn in....take care and have a productive time 16:05 slef BoSchafers: sit around and heckle if you want 16:05 slef it's all I've been good for recently :-S 16:05 slef kados: did you see comment about the dev-chat? 16:05 kados no, missed it 16:06 slef http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2007-06/msg00025.html 16:06 slef (I believe the two main koha-turuloj will be discussing a major koha 16:06 slef project earlier on 2 July and can't be sure to be back online by 16:06 slef 1900Z) 16:09 kados shoot 16:09 kados how'd I miss that one? 16:10 kados slef: I have to go afk for a bit 16:10 slef ok 16:10 kados slef: problem with changing the date is I really don't know people's schedules other than my own :( 16:10 kados bbiab 16:11 slef aha, git rebase origin/origin fixed it 16:12 slef koha-git's equivalent of cvs head is origin 16:12 slef (its equivalent of rel_2_2 is rel_2_2, which is less confusing...) 16:12 burg quit 16:13 slef no. you 16:13 slef ;-) 16:13 burg sorry :) 16:13 slef np 16:13 slef see you later? 16:13 slef and ITYM /quit 16:13 slef (in most chat clients, anyway) 16:14 burg thx 16:28 kados slef: http://kados.org/stuff/koha_zoom_0.3.tar.gz 16:28 kados slef: you can try that 16:28 slef this 30 one is later 16:29 slef just found it like 60secs ago... thanks anyway 16:29 slef hi mm 16:29 martinmorris afternoon all 16:29 martinmorris hi slef 16:30 martinmorris i've popped on with another question i can't seem to find easily in the kohadocs or on the mailing list - i'm now starting to use name and subject authorities for the catalogue and am not sure of a way of storing them in koha so i don't have to keep a separate list 16:30 martinmorris i'm assuming there IS a way? 16:30 slef yeah, pretty sure - let me check 16:31 martinmorris thanks matey 16:31 slef phew, glad iceweasel had memorised that password - I sure hadn't! 16:32 martinmorris :) 16:32 slef So have you tried Authorities - Add Authority off the librarian home page? 16:32 slef oops - iceweasel javascript loop 16:32 martinmorris just logging back in , two secs 16:33 martinmorris um *blush* no i hadn't :) 16:33 martinmorris *that's* embarassing - thanks slef 16:33 martinmorris i've just been going to koha administraiton and trying from there and didn't see it! 16:41 slef no worries... let me know if it works for you - it's behaving oddly here, but I think it's my fault ;-) 16:51 martinmorris thanks slef - i'm adding a few now. will also need to work out how to restrict the relevant fields (650a) to just those authorities - sure it's obvious 16:58 martinmorris well i'm only half way through library school so i've got quite a lot to learn still 16:59 martinmorris just picked it all up as you've gone along? work experience? 16:59 slef yep, and Reading The Source 17:00 slef I think this is part of why I like koha - I'm always trying to dumb down the interfaces ;-) 17:01 martinmorris sounds good to me 17:05 jaron martinmorris: there is also a bulk auth import script, but it needs modification to work last I looked. 17:05 jaron slef: are there packages needed from that unofficial debian packages site? 17:05 martinmorris yes i'd seen that thanks jaron - but for various reasons i'm going to create them individually at first because they'll need translating anyway 17:08 slef jaron: which unofficial debian packages site? 17:08 slef jaron: you don't *need* them, but it may be easier than installing from sources 17:09 jaron slef: understood 17:10 jaron martinmorris: what language will they be translated to? :) 17:10 martinmorris Esperanto as it happens :) 17:10 martinmorris i'm doing a new catalogue for the british national esperanto library :) 17:10 slef martinmorris++ 17:11 slef Mi devus traduki www.ttllp.co.uk 17:11 martinmorris vi laboras por tiu kompanio slef? 17:11 slef Iafoje estis esperantolingva, sed ne aktuale 17:11 martinmorris ĉu mi konas vin? :) 17:12 slef jes... sed eble ne 17:12 slef mi estas mjr.towers.org.uk 17:16 slef not that much 17:16 slef www.ttllp.co.uk used to be bilingual 17:16 slef but that doesn't sell in England just now 17:27 martinmorris got a quick query before i continue on something 17:28 martinmorris i'm following http://kohadocs.org/usersguide/ch01s03.html to make sure i have authority records available for some marc fields in my biblios 17:28 martinmorris i'm starting with 100a 17:28 slef I'll try, but I should get back to work - big meeting tomorrow 17:28 martinmorris oh dear - well if you have to go don't let me hold you back :) 17:28 slef library stuff... jaron probably knows more ;-) 17:28 slef I'll be here, just not so talkative 17:29 slef and kados will probably return eventually, so keep asking ;-) 17:29 martinmorris it suggests i need to set up a subfield 9 but that already exists, with the description '9 (RLIN)' 17:29 kados martinmorris: if it's already setup you can ignore that step ;-) 17:30 martinmorris fair enough kados, ta 17:30 martinmorris and what's RLIN (fearing i'm asking a stupid question) 17:30 slef kados: are 9 subfields like 9xx tags? 17:30 kados yea 17:30 slef (as in, internal use) 17:30 kados martinmorris: try google ;-) 17:30 kados slef: yep 17:30 slef From Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (Version 1.9, June 2002) : 17:30 slef RLIN 17:30 slef Research Libraries Information Network (network) 17:30 slef 17:30 slef 17:31 martinmorris ah, sorry, i assumed it was a koha abbreviation, not something so general 17:31 martinmorris i remember i knew that already :) 17:31 slef dewey: vera rlin 17:31 dewey slef: what? 17:31 slef dewey: don't you have vera loaded? 17:31 dewey i don't know, slef 17:32 kados I use google because it works :-) 17:32 slef except when it doesn't ;-) 17:32 martinmorris google certainly has its uses but i discourage kids from using it at the library where i work 17:32 kados yep 17:32 slef google for "google bugs" 17:32 slef ;-) 17:34 jaron martinmorris: even though the text for 100 subfield 9 is set up you still need to put the corresponding numbered field from your authority record in the "Link" space under Default Options for that subfield in your framework 17:35 jaron martinmorris: try translating that into esperanto. 17:37 martinmorris kvankam la teksto de 100 subkampo 9 jam konfiguriÄ?is, ankoraÅ necesas enmeti la taÅge numerumitan kampon el la aÅtoritatregistraĵo en la spacon 'Link' sub 'Default Option' de tiu subkampo en vian MARC-kadron 17:37 martinmorris :) 17:37 jaron maybe it makes more sense now 17:37 slef (hint: it's not any less jumbled after translation) 17:37 martinmorris it did help me to understand it certainly :) 17:37 martinmorris but it's still fairly jumbled, stef is right *laughs* 17:38 slef ;-) 17:38 jaron but you get the idea? 17:38 martinmorris i certainly do, thanks 17:38 martinmorris i had forgotten to do that 17:38 martinmorris so in my case that's 100a I put in the link space? 17:38 jaron yes, that's my understanding 17:39 martinmorris i have to say it all seemed to work even though i didn't have that link 17:39 martinmorris and the documentation doesn't have it (although i havebn't read right down to teh bottom)\ 17:39 kados slef: how's that installer coming? ;-) 17:40 jaron martinmorris: could be I'm completely wrong then and you should ask someone else on this one. I haven't touched authority work for a good while now. 17:40 martinmorris well i'll keep the note stored locally and see if i get any problems - as that may be the answer 17:40 martinmorris thanks for the tip jaron 17:41 slef kados: packaged a few more debs and made a cool tool 17:41 slef perlmodver 17:42 kados sweet 17:44 martinmorris yep, all seems to be working, that's a real relief 17:50 jaron martinmorris: on further investigation I'm completely and utterly wrong about what that Link field is for. 17:50 slef erk 17:50 martinmorris fair enough - thanks for letting me know jaron :) 17:50 slef webapps/zoom_basic/koha/production/opac/htdocs -> ../rel_3_0/koha/koha-tmpl 17:50 slef that'll be a dangling symlink then ;-) 17:51 slef Is there a rel_3_0 branch yet? 17:52 kados the rel_3_0 branch was deprecated 17:52 kados due to poor planning, we branched too early before we were ready 17:52 slef what's in your rel_3_0 folder? 17:52 slef HEAD? 17:52 dewey HEAD is head 17:52 kados yea 17:52 kados sorry, that package prolly needs updating 17:53 slef dewey: head is head and rel_3_0 is dead 17:53 dewey ...but head is head... 17:53 kados if you could document problems you have with it would be great (again, sorry) 17:53 slef yeah, no worries 17:53 slef this log will do most of that, I suspect 17:58 slef undeclared dependency Lingua::Stem 18:02 slef The following error occcurred while importing the database structure: 18:02 slef Unknown suffix '-' used for variable 'port' (value '-u') 18:02 slef mysql: Error while setting value '-u' to 'port' 18:02 slef ooh, I saw that recently 18:11 slef You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '; /*!40101 SET @OLD_CHARACTER_SET_RESULTS=@@CHARACTER_SET_RESULTS */; /*!40101 S' at line 7 18:12 slef that's a new one on me... any ideas? 18:12 kados huh 18:12 kados do we even need that line? 18:12 slef no idea... I'll try cutting it 18:15 slef "the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete." 18:16 kados ird 18:16 kados weird even 18:16 kados what's that coming from, apache? 18:16 slef browser... investigating whether the db is set up 18:16 kados maybe comment out the mod_redirect lines in the conf file? 18:17 kados I haven't double-checked that they're right 18:17 slef ah, maybe... I didn't double-check the rewrite rules 18:17 slef mysql> show tables; 18:17 slef Empty set (0.00 sec) 18:17 slef nope, looks like there's some other problem first 18:19 kados I think that should be OK 18:19 kados the web installer will create the tables 18:19 slef I was editing the web installer 18:19 slef can't see why my edit should have made it redirect to itself without doing anything 18:22 kados slef: http://kados.org/apache/remove-empty-parameters-from-uris/ 18:22 kados slef: that rewritecond is not essential to the operation, but it's nice to have 18:22 kados slef: took me a hell of a time writing it 18:22 kados :-) 18:23 slef rewrites interact with almost every part of a server config IME 18:23 slef but I'm still going to try a revert first, as it worked before my edits 18:24 slef reverted and now it displays again 18:24 slef strange 18:25 slef "Transport endpoint is not connected" 18:28 slef got it 18:31 kados w00t 18:31 slef uses DBI instead of MySQL command-line to install the tables 18:32 slef It's probably evil, but I'm willing to try stuff to get away from the command-line tool. 18:32 kados yea 18:33 slef (We've been screwed by the mysql tool, we've been screwed by the shell...) 18:34 slef ok, both patches just failed :-/ 18:44 slef committed 18:44 kados slef++ 18:45 slef hrm, it just jumped back to the start of the installer - why? 18:45 slef s/installer/web installer 18:45 kados I dunno, someone else reported that too 18:54 slef how does koha know to redirect to the installer? 18:55 slef C4/Auth.pm:342 18:55 slef C4::Context->preference('Version') needs to be set 18:57 slef not set by web installer 19:01 slef roflmao 19:01 slef javascript in the web installer is buggy 19:02 slef toggle the drop down from English to French and then back again and a load more database-loading options appear 19:03 slef select some of those options, including Default Koha preferences and then koha works. 19:12 kados huh 19:12 kados can it be fixed? 19:13 slef yes - do the language selection as one step, then do the option selection as the next screen 19:14 slef maybe fixable on the same screen, but getting rid of needless javascript is A Good Thing 19:14 kados makes sense to me 19:14 kados musta been added recently 19:14 slef Does simple acquisitions exist in koha-zebra? 19:15 kados isn't that just direct cataloging? 19:15 slef more-or-less, I guess 19:16 slef erm, I can't Add MARC 19:17 ryan i think paul said toins is cleaning marc editor up now? 19:17 ryan may be broken in cvs 19:17 kados yea, did that actually start yet> 19:17 kados ? 19:17 kados it'll be nice when we have git 19:17 ryan dunno - was working a few weeks ago 19:17 kados someone can work on something, then merge when it's actually done 19:17 slef ah, so that's why I have a blank screen 19:18 kados maybe, maybe not 19:18 kados slef: expect bugs galore :-) 19:18 ryan blank screen also caused by a mandatory flag set on tag-level. 19:18 slef kados: you could keep a "worksforRM" tag in CVS back at the last known-working version 19:19 ryan check framework - if all mandatory flags are at subfield level, might work 19:19 kados good idea 19:19 slef kados: but that would involve tracking commits... tinderbox... argh, 19:19 slef Mozilla-style code death 19:19 kados maybe after we roll out 3.0 I'll do that 19:19 kados but we're planning to move to git fairly quickly (soon as the docs are done) 19:19 kados so it's prolly a mute point 19:19 slef ryan: MARC Bibliographic framework test says OK... is that what you meant? 19:20 slef kados: moot 19:20 kados yea 19:20 kados moot 19:20 ryan no, in framework editor, no tags can have mandatory flag set 19:21 slef where's framework editor? 19:21 kados slef: i'm installing plone for another project and they have a 'universal installer' for linux that's kinda neat 19:21 kados slef: might be worth checking out 19:21 slef "Bugzilla has suffered an internal error. Please save this page and send it to chris.cormack@liblime.com with details of what you were doing at the time this message appeared." 19:21 slef yippee 19:21 ryan slef: cgi-bin/koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl 19:22 slef kados: plone is Python on Zope? 19:22 kados slef: *nod* 19:22 slef ryan: argh, tons of mandatory tags... 19:23 slef ryan: as in "Yes" in MARC Structure under "Mandatory" column heading - right? 19:23 kados "The Plone Unified Installer is a source-installation kit that installs 19:23 kados Plone and its dependencies from source on most Unix-like platforms. The 19:23 kados kit includes Plone, Zope and Python. Python is installed in a way that 19:23 ryan yes 19:23 kados will not change or interfere with your system Python." 19:24 ryan slef: (fixed fields are ok - i think bug is when there's a mandatory sufield _in_ a mandatory tag?) 19:24 slef kados: yuck, two copies of Python on the system ;-) 19:24 ryan (just stumbled on this the other day) 19:25 slef ryan: I think I'm going to fall back to 2.2 for now... it's getting late here 19:25 ryan there's always update marc_tag_structure set mandatory=0; 19:25 kados slef: fall back to 2.2 for what? 19:25 slef kados: demo system 19:26 kados shoot 19:26 kados after all that? 19:26 slef at least I have a working 3.0 around for devel 19:26 kados you're soooo close :-) 19:31 kados slef: may be a pain to install two versions of python for plone, but the installer is really nice 19:31 kados slef: might be the best installer for a specialized app I've ever used 19:33 slef 20:16:05-01/07 zebrasrv(1) [warn] chdir /zebradb/biblios [No such file or directory] 19:33 slef ok, where does it think it has /zebradb 19:33 kados ahh 19:34 kados the installer tells you to move koha to /koha and zebradb to /zebradb 19:34 kados or you could just do symlinks 19:34 slef yeah, I rewrote the configs 19:34 kados oh, man 19:34 kados you're in for a world of hurt 19:34 slef If it said /opt, I might have left it 19:34 kados yea, we debated over /opt vs / 19:35 kados in the end it was one less dir to parse through 19:35 kados on client machines 19:36 slef could (should?) chroot zebrasrv for production systems 19:36 kados yes 19:36 kados or you can just run it as a user 19:36 kados zebra user 19:37 slef does it keep itself under $HOME if you do? 19:37 kados that I'm not sure of 19:37 kados ryan: ? 19:37 slef so what's the benefit of running as zebra user? 19:37 kados I dunno 19:37 kados yea, that makes sense 19:39 kados slef++ # for adding bugs 19:42 slef kados++ for all the praise today 19:43 kados slef: if we waited until 20gmt tomorrow could you make it? 19:43 ryan slef: yeah, one of our testers says same, but it works okay for me. 19:46 slef kados: not back in town until 2130gmt and then at least 20mins to return home 19:47 kados hmmm 19:48 kados slef: what if we just postponed the discussion about the installer until you got home? would that work? 19:48 kados I'm afraid switching the time so late in the game might be confusing 19:57 slef Better than nothing, I guess. Can you be around to take feedback on other points as I read the logs? 19:57 slef And remind chris about the serene koha-git ;-) 19:58 kados defintely 19:58 kados chris should be around long after the meeting itself 19:58 slef I've got to go eat now. I'll be back after. 19:58 kados ciao 19:59 slef No, I meant "please remind chris about the serene koha-git" 19:59 slef http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2007-06/msg00008.html 19:59 kados ahh 19:59 kados will do 19:59 slef thanks 19:59 kados we're discussing git later today anyway 19:59 slef ooh, what sort of time, do you know? 19:59 kados prolly in about an hour or so 20:00 slef ah, I'll definitely not be back by then 20:00 kados sweet 20:00 slef ttyl 20:41 chris ive been using the serene koha git .. was broken yesterday tho 20:44 kados sweet 20:57 kados chris: wanna contine where we left off with git last week? 20:57 kados chris: I've got about 30 minutes before dinner plans 20:57 kados then I'll be afk for a couple hours, we could do it afterwards if you prefer 20:58 chris now is ok 20:58 kados http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:git_usage 20:59 chris so this is the bit we have to figure out how to do 20:59 chris So now were happy with our work, and were ready to show it to the world. The way we currently do that is to push your branch back to the RM so the QA manager and the RM, along with the rest of the Koha world. If they like your patch or feature, they can merge it in to their master branch. 20:59 kados yea 21:03 chris hmm 21:05 chris i think what we do 21:05 chris is in our clone 21:05 chris cd .git/config/remotes/orign 21:05 mason morning #koha 21:05 kados hey mason 21:06 chris where are you kados inside kohaclients.git ? 21:06 mason hiya joshua 21:06 kados hmmm, I'm in a dir called kohaclone 21:06 kados I have .git/config 21:06 kados but no remotes dir below it 21:07 chris ahh sorry .git/remotes 21:07 kados is this a git version thing? 21:07 kados ahh 21:07 kados got it 21:07 kados URL: kados@denethor.metavore.com:/home/chris/kohaclients.git 21:07 kados Pull: refs/heads/master:refs/heads/origin 21:07 kados Pull: refs/heads/hlt:refs/heads/hlt 21:07 kados Pull: refs/heads/katipo:refs/heads/katipo 21:07 kados Pull: refs/heads/issuingrules-rt77:refs/heads/issuingrules-rt77 21:07 kados Pull: refs/heads/opus-prod-testing:refs/heads/opus-prod-testing 21:07 chris cool 21:07 chris now lets try copying that 21:08 chris so cp origin mywork (or something) 21:08 kados done 21:08 chris now lets edit mywork 21:09 chris what was the name of the branch you created? 21:09 kados hmmm 21:09 kados kohaclone maybe? 21:10 chris git branch will tell you 21:10 kados that's the upper-level dir 21:10 kados kados_test 21:10 chris ok 21:10 chris try this line 21:10 chris Push: refs/heads/christest:refs/heads/christest 21:10 chris where christest = kados_test 21:11 kados git push? 21:11 chris you have added that line to the file? 21:11 kados ahh 21:11 chris (after the pulls) 21:12 kados to mywork or origin? 21:12 chris mywork 21:12 kados done 21:13 chris ok 21:13 chris git checkout kados_test 21:14 chris edit that liblime/moo file again .. git commit it 21:14 chris then try a git push mywork 21:15 kados seemed to work 21:15 chris sweet 21:15 chris lemme just check on denethor 21:15 chris yep 21:15 chris i see the branch there 21:15 chris so now i could go 21:15 chris and check it out 21:15 chris look at the log/diffs etc 21:16 chris and then merge 21:16 chris (on denethor) 21:16 kados ok, I've updated the docs 21:18 kados chris: that process is somewhat complicated :-) 21:19 chris you can do it with git-config on newer versions 21:19 chris and you only have to do it once 21:19 russel howdy 21:19 dewey hello, russel 21:19 chris once you have set up your remote 21:20 kados chris: git-config means you don't have to edit the origin file? 21:20 kados hey russel 21:20 kados (cp the origin file and edit the new one I mean) 21:20 chris yeah, altho thats pretty easy 21:20 chris and safer 21:20 chris well you could muck up your origin 21:21 kados I'm gonna have to really dumb down these docs 21:21 chris its all set up 21:21 kados ok, so what we've done is figured out how to commit stuff to the project 21:21 chris yep 21:21 kados next question is how do I merge stuff in from someone else's branch 21:21 chris as rm 21:21 kados or from somone els's master 21:21 chris ? 21:21 kados well, no 21:21 kados first as a developer 21:22 kados I think there are two types: 21:22 kados developer <-> developer 21:22 kados developer <-> RM 21:22 chris well, unless you cloned from a developer 21:23 chris you wont be able to push/pull from them, you will have to use the other tools 21:23 chris or they can give you acess, and you can make another remotes file 21:23 chris that pushes to their clone 21:24 chris probably you would use the git tools to mail them patches 21:25 chris unless you working collaborately on a project together, then you would set up whatever git structure works for you 21:25 kados right 21:25 kados I guess what we need is a set of 'best practices' 21:25 chris we dont know them yet 21:25 kados so people aren't intimidated by all the possibilities 21:25 kados well, we need some examples 21:25 chris we can give them, what we might do 21:26 kados *nod* 21:26 chris hmm heres perhaps an easier way to do the push a branch 21:27 chris without needing to edit anything 21:30 chris right thats easier 21:30 chris heres what i did 21:30 chris git branch christest2 21:30 chris git checkout christest2 21:31 chris jed liblime/moo 21:31 chris git commit liblime/moo 21:31 chris git push origin christest2:christest2 21:31 kados cool 21:31 chris and voila the branch is made 21:31 kados I'll add that 21:31 chris now if you 21:31 kados and then go to dinner 21:31 chris do a git checkout master 21:31 chris git pull 21:31 chris git branch 21:31 chris you should see my branch 21:32 chris and as a fellow developer you can take a look, and/or merge stuff into your branch 21:33 kados with git branch command 21:33 kados and I've gotta run 21:33 kados can we pick this up in a couple hours? 21:34 kados (sorry) 21:34 chris yep 21:34 kados maybe you and MJ can work it out some too, he was supposed to log in soon 21:34 kados cya soon 21:35 chris ahh he said definitely not back by then, nvm plenty else i can work on 22:39 chris right, the short answer is, we dont wnat to use an old version of git 23:24 russel ryan you around? 23:29 ryan hi russel 23:32 russel hiya ryan 23:32 russel on dang now i forgot what i was going to ask 23:51 russel guys: a question re bugzilla for v3/head 23:51 russel when i am adding bugs to bugzilla for v3 23:51 russel which version should i use 23:51 russel HEAD or rel_3_0 23:51 russel ? 23:51 chris HEAD 23:52 russel ok cool 23:52 russel and for URL's - should i just truncate so that it doesnt have the domain but has the script name location? 23:52 russel ie 23:53 chris yep thats fine 23:53 russel this - /cgi-bin/koha/members/deletemem.pl? 23:53 chris yep 23:53 russel sweet as 00:54 chris with a more recent copy of git kados 00:54 chris i can do git branch -r 00:55 chris and it shows me all the remote branches available 00:55 kados sweet 00:55 kados russel: installing plonehelpcenter now 00:55 russel hiya kados 00:55 russel cool thanks for that 00:55 chris http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide 00:57 kados russel: ok, it's in right dir and I've restarted the zeocluster 00:57 chris basically all the intermediate and advanced usage bits there, are how i would do it 00:57 kados russel: you should be able to install it now 00:58 russel ok cool will try that in about 10 mins 00:58 kados chris: lookingnow 01:01 kados it seems like the version of git really matters 01:01 kados that's a shame 01:01 chris well the version in debian stable is way way old 01:01 chris just anything not that old is fine 01:02 kados well ... all of our clients and servers are debian stable ;-) 01:02 kados I wonder 01:02 chris yeah thats what backports is for 01:02 kados whether the next stable version will be newer 01:02 chris next stable isnt for a while, last stable was just released 01:03 chris http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/g/git-core/ 01:04 chris you can do it all with the old one, you just have to do stuff more manually 01:04 kados *nod* 01:04 chris or you can just grab a newer one from backports and put that on 01:06 chris http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=git-core&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all 01:06 chris id be inclined to just backport it on 01:07 russel hmm kados - that product is not showing up 01:07 kados huh 01:07 russel where did you install it? 01:07 russel says it should be in here : /home/jmf/Plone-3.0/zeocluster/client1/Products 01:08 kados yea, that's actually a symlink to /home/jmf/Plone-3.0/zeocluster/Products 01:08 kados which is where I put it 01:08 russel i wonder why it is not showing up then 01:09 kados I'll restart again 01:10 kados russel: done 01:10 kados russel: what's the URL for the management interface? 01:11 russel http://new.koha.org:8080/Plone/portal_setup/kohadocs/prefs_install_products_form 01:12 kados maybe there's a dependency I didn't install 01:14 kados russel: talking with some plone folks 01:14 kados russel: they think we should start with 2.5 01:15 kados russel: and upgrade to 3.0 in 6 months 01:15 russel right 01:15 kados so I may just wipe it clean if that's OK with you 01:15 russel no worries 01:15 kados and then install plonehelpcenter 01:15 kados ok, give me a sec 01:15 russel i havent done anything other than have a look around 01:15 russel thanks 01:23 kados also, I'm not sure we need the kohadocs to be a separate site 01:23 kados I'd prefer to use redirects to point the old kohadocs URLs to the new site 01:24 kados koha.org/documentation/xxx 01:24 kados y'know? 01:24 russel well i was thinking koha.org reorg might take a while, whilst kohadocs can be done pretty quick 01:24 russel so as long as we dont have to wait for a redesign to get it up and going 01:24 russel sure 01:25 russel i was thinking a reorg of kohadocs was something manageable 01:25 russel but open for discussion :-) 01:26 kados well, my thought is we should do the whole thing at once 01:26 kados did you see the doc tina put together? 01:27 russel no 01:28 russel same goes for me 01:29 kados russel: that doc explains some of the functional things that are missing 01:29 kados the biggies IMO are internationalization 01:29 kados and ability for users to sign up and write content 01:54 russel is plone 2.5 up and going? 02:01 kados http://new.koha.org:8080/koha 02:01 kados make a site koha and installed the helpcenter 02:02 kados I'm just having a chat with some plone folks 02:04 russel righto 02:42 kados rach: since you're working on memberentry ... 02:42 kados oops 02:42 kados damn autocomplete 02:42 kados chris: since you're working on memberentry ... 02:42 kados have you seen the templates? 02:42 chris yep 02:42 kados they could use a complete re-write 02:42 chris whats wrong with them? 02:43 kados well they were switched from a one-step to a three-step process 02:43 chris yep 02:43 kados the templates are something like 800% larger than in rel_2_2 02:43 kados for no real reason 02:44 chris i quite like the the 3 step 02:44 chris they render pretty small 02:45 russel kados: how you getting on with those privs for plone? 02:45 kados russel: getting there 02:46 kados chris: I did a survey of our users and the 5-6 who responded requested a one-step process 02:46 kados might be worth asking the koha list what folks prefer 02:46 kados or make it a syspref 02:46 chris gonna have to be a systempref then 02:47 kados my thought was rather than make so many steps in the template with lots of repetition, just do it in javascript 02:47 chris cos san-op wanted the 3 step 02:47 chris yuck 02:47 chris as long as none of the actual checks are done in javascript that might be ok 02:48 kados well, the current design is completely unmanagable 02:48 kados because if you want to change one thing you have like 9 or 10 places to change it 02:49 chris yep, some includes would tidy a lot of that up 02:49 chris and/or javascript as long as we arent doing any of the logic client side 02:49 chris but neither of those are my bags, unless you want horrendous html written 02:49 kados *nod* 03:06 chris the code behind it is actually pretty nice, it shouldnt be too hard 03:07 chris to systempreference it 03:17 chris kados: the po file is in the body of the email 07:35 paul chris around ? 07:35 chris hi paul 07:35 paul hi chris. 07:35 chris hi slef 07:35 slef hi chris 07:36 chris ahh hopefully they are all fixed good :-) 07:36 slef paul: I'm not sure whether it's a bugfix or an abomination 07:36 paul hi slef 07:36 slef oh, that was about chris? 07:36 slef hi paul 07:36 paul yep 07:36 slef paul: what spec are your new koha-zebra servers JOOI? 07:36 paul ??? 07:37 chris just out of interest 07:37 chris (JOOI) 07:37 slef yeah, sorry 07:37 slef chris++ 07:37 slef I'm rushing to get out of the office 07:37 slef I'm just hoping that the security at stations isn't a problem today 07:37 chris ahh, for you koha 3.0 installs, what machines are they running on? 07:37 slef paul: what CPU, RAM, disk are you recommending for koha 3.0? 07:38 chris slef: ahh yeah that was all over the news here 07:38 paul chris : about sanop.css, do you see that I now use intranet2.css, I let sanop with their own stylesheet (and I think it's outdated) 07:38 chris ahhh thanks paul 07:38 paul slef : I use lower computers than for Koha 2.2 ;-) 07:38 chris good information 07:38 slef chris: not surprised. Unexploded car-bombs driven into airport doors, for crying out loud! 07:39 paul chris : http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30 is not only UNIMARC related, I should have not written the title like that... 07:39 paul slef : I have 1 library running koha 3.0 Zebra on the same hardware as they were running koha 2.2 07:40 paul it's a 4 years old server (dell iirc), and things are faster than previously 07:40 paul (55 000 biblios, large unimarc records) 07:41 slef interesting info... thanks... I think we still have a bit of a bug-hunt if we install koha 3.0, don't we? 07:41 paul the second one is a 20 000 catalog, with koha 3.0 Nozebra, on a new computer, that is not a server but a standard desktop, with 1GB RAM iirc, SATA disks. 07:41 slef ooh 07:41 russel hiyas 07:41 paul slef : for sure. but it's used in 2 libraries, so you should get something working relativly correctly 07:41 slef russel: hi 07:41 dewey hello, slef 07:41 slef dewey: bonjour 07:41 dewey salut, slef 07:41 chris cant turn down free drinks :) 07:41 slef "The Future of Video and Rich Content Online" 07:44 chris i have more time to work on bugs for 3.0 (the koha project days) so hopefully we will get them ironed out 07:45 chris paul: one change i made today, but i didnt change the fr templates was for the capitalising of surnames 07:45 chris i made that a systempreference 07:45 paul the templates will be automatically updated by tmpl_process3.pl 07:45 chris cool 07:45 paul when installing french updated translation 07:46 slef I had a bit more of a chat with martinmorris yesterday which was cool. 07:46 chris oh cool slef 07:46 slef chris: what time was your git chat yesterday? 07:46 chris heh 07:47 chris when i tried a git pull on my koha git archive this morning i got an error, lemme try again 07:47 slef you using serene? 07:47 chris all good now 07:47 chris yep 07:48 chris might have been a network blip 07:48 slef it was down from last Thu until yesterday, but I restarted it some time around 16:00Z 07:48 chris ahh i must have done it before that 07:48 chris slef: http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide 07:49 slef root crashed the server 07:49 slef he tried installing amd64 on i386... "turns out doing an amd64 install on a i386 box is a bad idea" 07:50 chris heh 07:53 chris hi toins 07:54 toins hello chris 07:54 toins how are you ? 07:54 chris good thanks and you? 07:56 toins fine too 08:11 slef "you need to give the RM of the version of Koha you�re working on, your public SSH key" 08:11 slef why won't the RMs run public git servers? 08:12 slef http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/everyday.html also worth a look I think 08:13 slef The first step is to make youself a new branch which you�ll be working within :$ git branch npl_templates 08:13 slef And now you check that branch out to start working: 08:13 slef $ git checkout -f npl_templates 08:13 slef Personally, I do "git checkout -b newbranchname basebranch" 08:13 chris feel free to edit the wiki page (or does it still have the problem where you cant login?) 08:13 slef where basebranch is either origin/origin (for HEAD) or origin/rel_2_2 08:13 chris ahh good point 08:14 chris and yes the rm's might run public ones 08:14 chris thats a better idea 08:14 slef I think I couldn't login last time I tried... also dumping here so I can either read logs later and/or something else I forgot 08:14 chris cool 08:15 slef "Share with the rest of the world" would then become either put your git online (git update-server-info, git mirror or so on) or send mail (git format-patch) 08:15 chris right 08:16 chris yeah thats better 08:17 slef also lets the RMs ignore stuff for a while, Linus-style, if they get busy, I guess 08:17 slef rather than having to check the push'd changes 08:17 chris yep 08:17 chris yeah i like that better 08:17 slef pushing may work best within each company, though 08:18 chris yep 08:19 slef I'm wondering what's going to happen with "blame" with any next-gen version control system... we'll be able to see who broke stuff, but then what will we do 08:19 chris yeah 08:20 slef I think I pass that question to the RMs and QAM 08:20 slef :) 08:20 chris hehe 08:20 slef http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide is quite a handy cookbook too 08:20 slef even if they misssssspelll commmit 08:20 chris presumably their patches/changes will get more scrutiny from then on 08:21 chris heh 08:21 slef right, got to get on... afk 08:21 chris catchya later, thanks for the feedback 08:29 toins dewey: git guide is http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide 08:29 dewey OK, toins. 08:43 chris hi pecisk 08:43 pecisk hi 08:43 pecisk :) 08:49 Fallor hi all 08:49 slef hi 08:49 chris Hi Fallor 08:50 Fallor i'm still fighting with koha installation ;) 09:17 Fallor strange... 09:18 Fallor all I get is constant refresh 09:18 Fallor on the browser 09:20 slef Fallor: n the database table installer? 09:21 slef Fallor: something similar happened to me because of an installer bug. For me, I needed to change the English/French listbox in the web installer to French, then back to English, then some more boxes appeared, including "default Koha preferences" or similar. 09:21 slef sorry I can't hang around to help debug - need to catch a train 09:35 Fallor oh, it was just the proxy of my ISP acting up :D 11:45 kados morning #koha 11:46 kados paul: around? 11:46 kados paul: " don t display the 1 in location column if there is only 1 item : it's useless & confusing for users " 11:47 kados paul: I think that's a preference, libraries here expect to see the count even if it's only 1