Time  Nick     Message
12:16 kados    morning all
12:17 kados    hi Frederic
13:31 Frederic hi kados.
14:42 kados    hi thd
14:42 thd      hello kados
14:43 kados    Frederic, thd: you here for Koha Project Day?
14:43 kados    kyle_: you too?
14:47 thd      I am answering some objections to various GPL V3 draft clauses to ensure we have no unfortunate surprises as a result of unanswered objects when GPL V3 is released in as little as two weeks from now.
14:47 kados    cool
14:50 thd      The only vital trouble I have had over GPL V3 draft language happened when changes were made to please objectors who were insufficiently well answered.
14:51 tnb      rch: ?
14:52 kados    hey tnb
14:52 tnb      hey josh
14:52 tnb      long layover?
14:52 kados    couple hours
14:52 tnb      ah...
14:52 tnb      internet is sketchy everywhere today
14:52 kados    *nod*
14:53 thd      I had noticed some people who had freenode as part of their connection information recently.  Does a koha channel on freenode connect here?
14:53 kados    thd: there was a relay briefly
14:54 kados    I think it was disconnected thougth
14:54 kados    I'll have chris set that up later today
15:05 kados    hi Luis
15:05 Luis     Hi
15:05 kados    welcome to #koha
15:05 kados    what brings you here?
15:05 Luis     I am from Peru
15:05 kados    cool
15:06 Luis     I wish colaborate with Koha... it's the firs time that I connect with the community
15:06 kados    excellent!
15:07 kados    what would you like to work on?
15:08 Luis     I am a librarian.... and I love computer science.... I like GNU/Linux... translate or suggestion about Koha
15:09 kados    cool
15:09 kados    i think there's already a spanish translation of Koha
15:09 kados    http://translate.koha.org/get_tables.php?lg=en&view=all
15:09 Luis     excellent ...
15:09 kados    yep, ther eis
15:09 kados    there is I mean
15:10 kados    Luis: do you have Koha installed?
15:10 Luis     Yes ....
15:10 kados    which version?
15:10 dewey    i heard which version was it ?
15:10 kados    2.2.9?
15:10 Luis     2.2.8
15:10 kados    cool
15:10 Luis     yes, but I heard that it have many problems with mysql 5.0
15:11 kados    well, there were some fixes for mysal 5.0
15:11 kados    but the RM didn't include them in 2.2.9
15:11 kados    so they are 'fixed in the repo' afaik
15:11 kados    we just need to get Paul to pull them into the next release
15:12 kados    Luis: do you use ESMARC?
15:12 Luis     I use Marc21
15:12 kados    cool
15:12 Luis     I work in San Marcos University
15:12 kados    excellent
15:13 Luis     and we have a project ... we are configure Koha ....
15:13 Luis     Koha is excellente ILS ...
15:13 kados    thank you!
15:13 kados    we think so too :-)
15:14 kados    Luis: i think the first thing you could do is write an email to the koha list and introduce yourself, and tell us what your project is, who it will serve, how long you've been working on it, etc.
15:14 Luis     ok
15:15 kados    also include what your talents are, and what you'd like to work on in the koha project (if applicable)
15:16 Luis     excellent.... I like it
15:16 Luis     I write an email ...
15:16 Luis     I will write an email
15:16 kados    cool
16:00 Frederic kados: Yes, I'm here for Koha Project Day, even i don't really know what it means :)
16:02 Frederic As you have seen, I'm here part time... I won't be easy to be in touch directly.
16:03 rch      Hi Frederic
16:03 rch      have you been working with Koha for some time ?
16:07 Frederic Not really. I'm currently switching my business to providing Koha to French specialized libraries.
16:08 thd      Frederick: where are you located?
16:09 thd      Frederic: where are you located?
16:09 Frederic I'm in touch with Paul. I hosted him to an exhibition I attended last week. We presented Koha.
16:09 Frederic Paris
16:10 Frederic http://www.tamil.fr/u/fdemians.html : to contact me.
16:10 thd      Frederic: what had your business from which you are switching done?
16:11 Frederic We were lastly selling a proprietary US ILS.
16:12 thd      Frederic: which one?
16:12 dewey    which one is that? :-)
16:12 Frederic Slef, where are you from?
16:12 slef     Frederic: England
16:12 Frederic EOS.Web
16:14 Frederic I'm fighting to have a koha v3 installed.
16:15 Frederic ... with mitigated success.
16:16 thd      Frederic: do all parts of EOS.Web over a remote server?
16:16 tnb      Frederic: hi, I'm Tina Burger.  I do marketing for LibLime and the Koha project.  If you provide me with some info about your company , we can see you are added to the 'pay for support' page of the koha.org website
16:16 thd      s/over/run over/
16:16 tnb      http://koha.org/support/pay.html
16:17 tnb      my email is: tnb@liblime.com
16:17 Frederic tnb: I will send you an email.
16:18 tnb      cool. thanks!
16:18 Frederic thd: I don't understand your question. EOS.Web, like Koha, is a true full web app.
16:19 thd      Frederic: so the record editor runs over the web as well?
16:20 Frederic Tyna: you can see our marketing material on our web site : http://www.tamil.fr/solutions/koha/. and a brochure : http://www.tamil.fr/solutions/koha/flyer.pdf which was done with a logo LibLime provided to us (thanks)
16:21 Frederic thd: yes. With a dual mode : marc and non-marc (marc21 only)
16:23 thd      Freceric: so you had customers in France who were using MARC 21 or were they all using non-MARC?
16:24 thd      Frederic: or did you have customers in Quebec using MARC 21?
16:25 Frederic Non-MARC. Indeed, it could be interesting for some libraries, even in France, to catalog in MARC21. Because their titles are scientific and easily found on international biblio catalogs like LC.
16:27 Frederic For such libraries, an ideal solution would be to catalog in UNIMARC, but having a way to download MARC21 records and convert them in UNIMARC on the fly.
16:27 Frederic Where are you from thd. Canada?
16:28 thd      Frederic: I would be very much interested in seeing a demonstration of the EOS.Web MARC editor to see if there may be anything to be learnt from their design about the tricky business of designing MARC editors which run over the web.
16:29 thd      Frederic: I am from New York City.
16:30 thd      Frederic: or live in New York City and from California.
16:31 Frederic I regret not to have visited NYC but I were in Boston several times and know South California from LA to San Diego area.
16:32 Frederic What do you want to learn about MARC editor? There is already one in koha and a new one to come: OpenCataloger.
16:34 thd      Frederic: we do not have a perfect design and I am always looking for good ideas for design which may be incorporated for use in Koha.
16:34 thd      Frederic: Could you provide me a demonstration of the EOS.Web MARC editor?
16:35 Frederic Send me a direct email.
16:55 Frederic Hi Paul
17:12 thd      email sent Frederic
17:53 rch      hey all - has anyone created a framework implementing  MARC21 LITE ?
17:56 rch      paul: are you available ?
18:17 rch      hi randy
19:30 kados    hey all
19:31 rch      +/who
19:31 rch      hi kados
19:31 kados    hey
19:32 kados    how's it going?
19:33 tnb      where are you?
19:33 kados    I'm at a Mall
19:33 kados    about to head to my hotel
19:33 tnb      ah
19:34 kados    tnb: I like your suggestions
19:34 kados    tnb: maybe add them to the koha wiki somewhere?
19:34 kados    and when russ comes on, discuss with him?
19:35 kados    he's the current de facto website guy
19:35 kados    I totally agree showcase is confusing
19:35 kados    demos is much better
19:35 kados    tnb: I did manage to get quite a few new users listed recently thought
19:36 kados    tnb: http://koha.org/showcase/opacs.html
19:36 kados    but yea, no-where near enough listed
19:36 tnb      right now, i'm working on mock-ups
19:36 kados    cool
19:37 thd      kados: does 'showcase' have more common use in NZ than elsewhere?
19:37 kados    I dunno
19:40 tnb      well, to me 'showcase' suggests 'portfolio' or users
19:40 tnb      but it is demos that is currently under that tab
20:56 russel   howdy
20:57 kados    hey russ
20:58 rch      hi russ
21:07 chris    morning
21:41 rch      nabble looks pretty cool
21:41 rch      hadn't seen that before - we should link to Koha - discuss from koha.org
21:42 chris    definitely
21:42 russel   got the link i can do that right now
21:42 rch      http://www.nabble.com/Koha---Discuss-f14390.html
21:48 chris    nabble and gmane are both pretty neat
21:52 chris    then bails to work on wiki.koha.org for a bit instead :)
22:05 chris    hey rach
22:06 chris    hi warr
22:08 russel   http://www.koha.org/community/mailing-lists.html
22:09 chris    cool
22:09 russel   i'll wrap the mailing list sign up with the look and feel too
22:09 rach     morning
22:10 russel   hi rach
22:10 rach     your first koha project day?
22:10 chris    yep
22:13 chris    hows ur little man doing rach? I hear you are trying the clicker training on his sleep routines?
22:15 rach     yep - working well actually on improving his speed of going to sleep
22:15 rach     particularly during the day
22:15 chris    excellent
22:15 chris    we are doing the buying a carseat thing at the moment, what did you guys get?
22:16 rach     and after the first night when he woke up, he's gone back to having a bigger sleep through the night
22:16 rach     safe n something
22:16 rach     I think
22:16 chris    ohhh big sleep through the nights are excellent
22:16 chris    safe n go?
22:17 rach     could be
22:17 chris    one of the convertible ones?
22:17 rach     I don't think so
22:17 rach     it can't do little babies
22:17 chris    theres too many to choose from
22:17 chris    ahh right
22:18 rach     it has a couple of different positions, more and less upright
22:19 chris    does it do forward and rear facing, or just forward? we are debating renting a rear facing one for the next 5 months then getting a forward facing one
22:20 chris    or buying one that can do both (the forward facing only ones last till they are a lot older)
22:21 rach     does both
22:21 chris    ta
22:22 rach     did rear facing until he was about 1, then forward facing
22:22 chris    right
22:59 russel   ok bit better - http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
23:01 chris    cool russ
23:53 chris    hi gganno
23:54 kados    cool chris
23:55 chris    http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:modules:head
23:55 chris    t/Amazon.t could go a couple more tests kados :-)
23:55 kados    nice
23:55 kados    hehe
23:56 chris    its just doing a basic compile one
23:56 chris    but thats a good start
23:56 kados    excellent
23:56 chris    cos you can run perl misc/testKoha.pl
23:56 chris    and it will run all the tests (that weve written anyway)
23:57 chris    so by the end of the day that will be doing a basic  does use module
23:57 chris    work for all the modules
23:57 kados    very cool chrks
23:57 kados    chris even :-)
23:57 chris    plus a few more i write a long the way
23:57 chris    Acquisition.t makes a new basket, then gets that basket
23:58 chris    any easy ones like that i spot ill write tests for as i go
23:59 gganno   hi chris
23:59 gganno   I am just hanging around
23:59 chris    cool
00:00 chris    do you use Koha?
00:00 gganno   I am trying
00:01 chris    cool, are you a librarian?
00:01 gganno   I do not have anything in production yet
00:01 gganno   Yes Librarian
00:01 chris    in the US?
00:01 gganno   Currently yes
00:01 gganno   in the US
00:02 chris    sweet, im in nz
00:02 gganno   But, I am actually from Mali (Africa)
00:02 chris    oh cool, we have a few libraries in Africa using Koha, i dont think one in Mali though
00:03 chris    http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers#africa
00:03 gganno   The situation of Libraries in Mali make it difficult to adopt any web based application
00:04 chris    no internet access?
00:04 gganno   Usually no computers at all
00:04 chris    *nod*
00:04 chris    makes sense
00:05 gganno   I will probably be the first to adopt Koha in Mali
00:05 kados    gganno++
00:07 gganno   You find Timbuktu, you find Mali
00:07 chris    :)
00:07 chris    ahhh
00:08 chris    by algeria .. colonised by the french too eh?
00:08 gganno   Yes colonised by french
00:09 chris    thats the neat thing i like working on Koha, I dont think I would have talked to anyone from Mali if it wasnt for Koha :)
00:10 gganno   From Mali to NZ, it is not a short distance
00:10 chris    it sure isnt :)
00:11 chris    if you ever need any help with Koha, there is usually someone here .. and often some french speakers if thats helpful .. otherwise the mailing lists are a good pplace to ask questions
00:12 gganno   Thanks
00:13 gganno   As soon as I start my koha implementation
00:13 gganno   I will be spamming the list with questions
00:13 chris    :_
00:13 chris    :) even
00:21 gganno   bye
00:21 chris    cya later
02:01 thd`     kados: does 'showcase' have more common use in NZ than elsewhere?
02:01 thd`     oops
02:52 thd      kados: are you awake?
07:59 chris    hi france :)
07:59 paul     hi chris
07:59 hdl      hi chris.
08:07 paul     chris : nice to see on CVS the first effects of KPD ;-)
08:08 chris    :)
08:08 chris    ive been working on this too
08:09 chris    http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:modules:head
08:09 chris    nearly finished it
08:09 paul     yes, I've seen (thanks to RSS...)
08:10 chris    :)
08:10 paul     is it manually or by script created ?
08:10 chris    some by script some manual
08:11 chris    ill keep it up to date by watching commits to HEAD
08:12 chris    and i will complain if people add new subroutines and don't edit the .t file :)
08:12 chris    http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:tests
08:13 chris    i have that running as a cron job, and emails the results to me
08:14 chris    next KPD, ill add more to the tests at the moment most of them are just a simple syntax test (ie does use Modulename; work)
08:15 chris    toins did great work on the BookShelves tests
08:15 toins    hi chris
08:16 toins    chris: have you ever seen perl module WWW::Mechanize::Test ?
08:16 toins    seems excellent to make some unit test for web developement
08:17 chris    ohh cool
08:17 toins    not only test the functions
08:17 chris    have you ever seen selenium?
08:17 toins    chris: yep
08:17 toins    but i have not use it
08:18 chris    we have started to get our clients to use it
08:18 chris    http://www.openqa.org/selenium-ide/
08:19 chris    they can record what they do to show us the bug, then attach the file (it saves as just an html file)
08:19 chris    then we can run it, to recreate the bug, to help us fix it
08:19 paul     great idea !
08:21 lloyd    that is a pretty handy tool
08:21 chris    yep
08:21 chris    often its hard to document all the steps you took to make a bug appear, much easier if you can just record what you do
08:56 chris    hi bureado
08:56 bureado  chris, good day
10:09 slef     hi all.  lloyd: are you around?
10:17 lloyd    hey I am mate
10:17 lloyd    sup
10:18 slef     Wondering if you've heard of or you use the CILIP UK Core Spec for LMSes at all?
10:19 lloyd    yeah heard of it, but we dont use it
10:19 slef     why not, if you don't mind me asking?
10:20 lloyd    No idea, not my area =)
10:20 slef     nice swerve :)
10:21 lloyd    library management systems in the nhs are a mess
10:22 lloyd    there is no standard
10:22 lloyd    when a library wants a LMS they approach suppliers with what they need, the suppliers do demo's then they pick the one they like the most
10:23 slef     I wonder whether UKCS is an attempt to raise barriers to entry by
10:23 slef     current LMS suppliers, but I don't want to pay 500 quid to find out.
10:23 lloyd    maybe
10:24 lloyd    I can't remember the most popular ones atm
10:24 lloyd    I know Heritage is one of them
10:24 slef     That's IS Oxford's?
10:24 lloyd    yeah
10:24 slef     yeah, I hear lot about it
10:24 lloyd    none of it good I presume
10:24 slef     mixed
10:24 lloyd    ahh well, it's shite
10:24 slef     argh, just got named along with koha in this debian conference session
10:25 slef     just as I was typing in IRC
10:25 slef     that was strange
10:25 lloyd    we're using it here.
10:26 slef     I'd've thought it was a bit small for your needs, tbh
10:26 slef     and not flexible enough
10:26 lloyd    nah it's all seperate atm
10:26 lloyd    28 different LMS's
10:26 lloyd    and at the this library, we're running heritage
10:27 lloyd    we'll prolly be the 4th or 5th library to migrate over the koha system
10:28 slef     lloyd: can I pass your contact details to another hospital? (Sorry, can't remember if I asked before.)
10:28 lloyd    no you didnt ask before, but yes feel free to
10:30 slef     thanks
10:31 lloyd    I'm going on holiday for two weeks this Wednesday, so may not answer/reply =)
10:35 slef     I'll warn them.
10:35 slef     They're @uclh
10:39 lloyd    kk