Time  Nick      Message
10:16 sinantena hehe ok iĺl come back later when more people are online
10:13 tumer     well already sounding linux box privileges and this is beyond me
10:12 sinantena yeah i figured that would be a problem.. its a comercial server that my company contracted i only have root acces to our account
10:11 tumer     youu need root access privileges on whatever server you are installing it on
10:10 sinantena not on my own personal server
10:10 sinantena ah ok well the thing is that i wanted to install it on a remote server.
10:09 tumer     if its on a windows box i may help otherwise wait for others
10:08 sinantena anyway i am looking for help with installing koha i am totally lost
10:08 sinantena haha i figured that not everybody was in new zealand.. it was just a joke.. to break the ice ;-)
10:08 tumer     hi:sinantena we are not all in new zealand, i am in cyprus
10:06 sinantena is this the koha help chat room??
10:06 sinantena i'm in europe maybe its still to early in new zealand for people to be conected!!!
10:05 sinantena hello!
09:48 tumer[A]  hi hdl
09:46 hdl       tumer hi
19:29 cm        yep, it's still correct.  Thanks!
19:26 cm        i'll stick a holiday in there just to be sure.
19:26 cm        aah, that seems to have worked.  :)
19:25 cm          I also noticed that in the docs you have Datedue but in the actual perl you have Duedate.
19:24 cm        okay.
19:22 rch_      use Date::Calc qw/Add_Delta_Days/;
19:22 rch_      use Date::Manip;
19:22 rch_      cm:
19:14 cm        okay.
19:14 rch_      cm: sorry...  brb
19:05 cm        it's commented.
19:04 rch_      i'm not sure what the status is of Date::Manip in that module.
19:04 rch_      yep.
19:04 cm        in Calendar.pm, anyway.  Is that where you mean?
19:03 cm        it is uncommented.
19:03 cm        ah-ha.
19:03 rch_      use Date::Calc
19:03 rch_      ah, uncomment
19:02 cm        [Mon Apr 09 14:52:48 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.210] Premature end of script headers: circulation.pl, referer: http://circ.ccfls.org/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?findborrower=25199323
19:02 cm        ] Undefined subroutine &C4::Calendar::Calendar::Add_Delta_Days called at /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Calendar/Calendar.pm line 501., referer: http://circ.ccfls.org/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl?findborrower=25199323
19:01 cm        hi.
19:01 dewey     i think the error is not recoverable: exiting now
19:01 rch_      what's the error?
19:01 rch_      hi cm
18:58 cm        I updated Calendar.pm, and now there's an error when I issue.
18:56 cm        rch_, are you back from lunch yet?
18:40 cm        the ccfls version of the template on there is a bit old, I think.  The Intranet tab is missing from the system preferences so I couldn't change it back.
18:40 cm        never mind, it refreshed itself.
18:27 cm        I just set your demo intranet to our template to show it to someone, and now I can't change it back!
18:27 cm        kados, are you in?
17:40 rch_      re: the branch thing... if you're around later this afternoon, can discuss it then
17:39 cm        cool, rch.  i'll try it.  :)  thanks!
17:38 rch_      kyle: , cm: committed Calendar.pm -> set syspref 'useDaysMode' to 'Datedue', and loan length should calculate properly.
14:52 cm        i almost forgot about that.
14:41 kyle      any progress on switching the rules for checkouts from the items homebranch to the logged in branch.
14:35 cm        thanks.  it's definitely something we need before we officially migrate.
14:35 rch_      okay - i'll look at it this morning
14:34 cm        i chatted with kados a while ago and he said you guys would fix it.
14:34 cm        right now it always adds the holiday to the due date, not just when the due date is a holiday.
14:33 cm        yeah, exactly.
14:33 rch_      whereas it is currently calculating loan length as number of non-holiday days?
14:33 rch_      Ah - you needed only to change the due date if it landed on a holiday, right?
14:32 rch_      cm: what's your status on that?   I thought the bugs were worked out?
14:26 cm        rch_, how are the tweaks to due dates/holidays coming?
14:25 cm        he he!  i'd better start taking the stairs.
14:24 kyle      cm had better watch out, the elevator knows all and sees all ; )
14:24 cm        i've been here almost 9 years and I've never gotten stuck in it.  :P
14:23 kyle      rch: *alot* our elevator has it in for me, I think it's been twice as much as cindy's estimate ; )
14:23 cm        at least 7 or 8 times since we hired him!
14:23 kyle      that's a good idea, I can do that, thanks.
14:22 cm        :)
14:22 kyle      cm: that's what I get for pushing it too far ; )
14:22 rch_      kyle: i'm actually not sure... I've just committed over my mistakes...  but i imagine there's a better way
14:22 cm        kyle, you crash your computer about as often as you get stuck in the elevator!
14:22 kyle      cm: ok.
14:21 cm        ok.   don't forget we have the list in mantis.
14:21 kyle      I just had a head crash.
14:21 kyle      indeed ; )
14:21 kyle      cm: don't worry about it, we'll submit an enhancement request with our suggestions.
14:21 rch_      :)
14:21 rch_      doh!
14:20 kyle      rch: how do I undo my last commit, I just overwrote returns.pl with my returns.tmpl ; (
14:20 cm        kyle:  so what did you want me to explain?
14:19 kyle      agreed
14:18 owen      the more people that use it the more useful it will be!
14:17 kyle      Even on a low-end system I don't think it would cause performance issues.
14:17 kyle      rch: and I think that in this day and age, it's not worth causing so much pain to save a few bytes on servers with 2 gigs of RAM or more.
14:16 rch_      kyle: only reason would be to save a few bytes of memory
14:15 kyle      owen: we'll do that.
14:14 owen      kyle: I'd encourage you to file enhancement bugs for the changes you'd like to see in reserves. You'll find some from me in there.
14:14 kyle      rch, I got it working, I put the line too early in the script. My next question is: why don't we just push all the item information wholesale, and let the template designer choose which information to display>?
14:12 kyle      it's simpler and more convenient to just use item notes.
14:12 kyle      in our current system, we use the standard notes field, so it doesn't matter to use. Using the common notes field is just find, and extends it's usefulness to other things.
14:10 owen      well, my question is, is that a more sensible place to put the notes that you're talking about?
14:10 kyle      rch: it doesn't look like that helped any.
14:09 kyle      owen: that should probably be removed then. It's good to see some real kruft removal being done on Koha.
14:09 owen      kyle, notice there is already a "notes" field for reserves (in request.pl). We always ignore it, though, because it doesn't get used anywhere else :|
14:08 kyle      rch: I see, I'll give that a try.
14:07 rch_      and it should be available in the riloop tmpl loop
14:07 rch_      kyle: you should just be able to add:   $ri{itemnotes}        = $iteminformation->{'itemnotes'};
14:07 kyle      owen: somthing like that would work.
14:06 kyle      If no one else is working on it, I can volunteer some time, but right now we are focusing on switching over.
14:06 owen      kyle: interesting. So for you guys a patron-type-weighted reserve list would be ideal
14:06 rch_      kyle: i think you want to look around line 450 of returns.pl ?
14:06 rch_      no, it's not big on the list... other circ work is coming, though
14:05 kyle      We have homebound patrons who reserve dozens of items and such, and keep them for months, so they get last priority to make it more fair for other patrons.
14:05 owen      I believe Liblime is... rch_?
14:05 kyle      do you know if anyone is working on the reserves system actively?
14:04 kyle      I know, that is a very big flaw imho
14:04 kyle      I guess we need to be able to reorder patrons, and be able to move patrons so that a particular person is always last on the list.
14:03 owen      I'm not sure what Koha would do if you told it that every person in a 20-reserve list had priority 1, but Koha would let you do it.
14:03 owen      kyle: NPL runs an automated script that "fixes" the reserve ordering nightly. It means that staff can't re-order the reserve list, but it prevents other problems.
14:03 kyle      So, for now we'll just use our old system, and either someone else will fix the reserve system, or I'll work on it.
14:01 kyle      We could always create another page the *only* allows editing of an item note.
14:01 owen      kyle: what kind of reserve status are you looking for?
14:01 kyle      There is a multiude of reasons the librarians find the reserve system currently unusable, first being that it only tells you there is a reserve on checkin, there is no quck way to see a reserve status, and the way  patrons are ordered for a resrve is screwy.
14:00 owen      We couldn't use itemnotes at NPL because we limit who has access to additem.pl. It'd be nice to be able to add item notes from the intranet catalog, though.
13:59 kyle      cindy set it up with the help of either you or kados, I can't remember who.
13:59 rch_      kyle: what about reserves don't work for you?
13:59 kyle      We aren't using the marc edit screen, we are using additem.pl to edit notes.
13:58 kyle      Basically, our current reserve system is to put a note on an item stating it is reserved, and who it is reserved for. We are going to hold off on using koha's built in reserve system until we make the switch to 3.0
13:56 owen      kyle, that's an interesting idea. How are itemnotes being used in your library? Are they being added via the MARC edit screens?
13:53 kyle      I'm trying to get a dump from $template->param, but I can't find a good way to do so.
13:52 kyle      We need to be able to view items.itemnotes from the returns page. I traced it all the way back to Circ2.pm and it's passing everything, including the itemnote but for the life of me I can't get it to appear.
13:51 kyle      I need a bit of help...
13:51 kyle      hey rch
13:19 rch_      hey kyle
12:46 kyle      kados, rch you around?