Time  Nick  Message
10:59 kados with YUI, you can make them all behave and look like one set (of course the new page would have to be set up to look the same, etc.)
10:58 kados one of them is a link to another page
10:58 kados three of them have pre-loaded content
10:58 kados you might have 4 tabs on a detail page
10:58 kados so take tabs for instance
10:58 kados something else that's cool about YUI is you can have different behaviors for different elements of the same class
10:58 kados yea
10:56 owen  Much like we did in the OPAC
10:55 kados whereas 'Fines' and 'Reserves' are views
10:55 kados so 'change password' or 'delete' is an action
10:55 owen  that sounds interesting
10:54 kados I was also mentally experimenting with the idea of 'action' vs 'view'
10:54 kados and each module presumably has its own set of navigation elements
10:54 kados and vice versa
10:54 kados in NPL templates that aren't in default or katipo
10:53 kados well for instance, there are global navigation elements
10:53 kados (probably in the opac too, but I was looking at the intranet)
10:53 owen  What do you mean?
10:53 kados in the intranet
10:53 kados as I played around it struck me that we're really not that organized about what types of data elements we have
10:52 owen  yeah, we talked briefly about that one on Saturday
10:52 kados it's so simple to use and works so well
10:52 kados actually, of them, I think Grids is probably the one we want to start with
10:50 kados Grids
10:49 kados can't remember what it's called :-)
10:49 kados there's a general layout one
10:48 kados and ...
10:48 kados TabView
10:48 kados Menu
10:48 kados DataTable
10:48 kados Button
10:48 kados I played with the following components:
10:48 owen  Tell me about what you tried with YUI
10:47 kados implementation shouldn't be too hard
10:47 kados I think the hardest thing about the design for 3.0 is gonna be the design part
10:46 kados it's actually pretty simple to use
10:46 kados so I spent a few hours over the weekend on YUI
10:45 owen  Hi kados
10:45 kados morning owen
09:09 hdl   hi kados
09:07 kados morning #koha
05:27 toins chris, good !
05:23 chris how are things?
05:23 toins hello chris
05:22 chris hi toins
05:17 toins hello world
15:55 kados and it's early morning in NZ
15:55 kados 15:00 in fact
15:53 mn    so its more like noon there
15:52 kados ohio in fact :-)
15:52 kados and btw, I'm based on our US office
15:52 kados no prob
15:51 mn    well thanks a lot for answering my nasty questions! It should be quite late now in nz! Thanks a lot and a nice week!
15:43 mn    well for our needs everthing else would be overkill. Althogh backup and the like are going to be a problem
15:42 kados yep, if you want to
15:41 mn    yes but i can install mysql+httpd+perl+firefox on the same machine, right?
15:40 kados well, all of Koha is web based
15:39 mn    if your self-checkout module only works with an online-server it is unusable to me anyway
15:34 mn    cool
15:34 kados yep
15:34 mn    so i can use any barcodereader? Even one with RS232?
15:33 kados there is auto-focus built in
15:33 mn    So you have to place the cursor in the right field?
15:32 kados and a barcode reader is just a keyboard to the computer
15:32 kados koha is web based
15:32 mn    well i asume that the barcodereader connets via usb. And then? There has to be some part which brings this into the perl-application that is koha
15:30 kados not sure I understand your question
15:30 kados ?
15:29 mn    yeah i mean in terms of devicedrivers
15:29 kados barcode standards are international
15:28 kados yep
15:27 mn    i didn't know that... And will i find compatible barcodereaders in europe?
15:27 kados or you can just buy some pre-printed ones pretty cheaply too
15:26 kados there are plenty of websites that let you do that for free
15:26 kados printing barcodes is pretty easy
15:26 kados a previous version could print for both, but that feature isn't currently maintained
15:26 mn    but not for the patrons?
15:25 kados yep
15:25 mn    and koha can print barcodes for the books?
15:23 mn    i see ...
15:21 kados we may eventually contribute it if we find sponsorship for the project
15:21 kados #3 is not in standard koha, it's only available on LibLime's hosted platform
15:20 kados 3. patrons to use a unique identifier (usually barcode) to check out books to themselves (using another uniquie identifer for the book)
15:20 kados liblime has a separate interface that allows:
15:20 kados 2. a staff interface for managing patrons, checking out items, adding books to the collection, etc.
15:20 kados 1. public interface for searching, placing reserves, checking account information
15:19 kados the koha you download from koha.org has two interfaces:
15:14 mn    so barcodes for the books but not for the users. And your system is for users?
15:12 kados that's unique
15:12 kados or at least some identifier in place of a barcode
15:12 kados you need barcodes to check something out
15:11 mn    how do i checkout something without barcodes. Isn't this going to be error-prone?
15:11 mn    why could that be?
15:10 kados probably not on a sunday though :-)
15:10 kados if you want a system up and running immediately, some of the companies offering hosted packages can get your system installed in a few hours
15:09 mn    presumably ubuntu. cli proficient. mysql too. but it is always a pain for me to maintain apache
15:09 kados but if you're also learning all of that stuff, it could take a while
15:09 kados if so, it should only take a day or two at the most
15:08 kados understand apache, mysql, etc.?
15:08 kados do you have basic command-line skils?
15:08 kados install and maintain yourself?
15:08 kados are you going to run on linux? debian?
15:07 kados hard to say
15:07 mn    great, thank you. How long do you think will it take me to set it up and enter the books?
15:06 kados http://koha.org/support/
15:06 kados and there are companies that offer inexpensive support as well
15:06 kados there are plenty of free support options, including this IRC channel and the mailing list
15:05 kados of Koha, if you want to experiment
15:05 kados http://liblime.com/demos
15:05 kados here are some demos:
15:05 kados anyway ...
15:04 kados yea, was a bit of fun I had a few years back :-)
15:04 mn    really? sounds cool
15:04 kados you can run koha on a PDA :-) (I've done it :-))
15:03 mn    it will run on a celeron with 98mb ram
15:03 kados right
15:03 mn    i was inspired by our city library though but they use something comercial
15:02 mn    no not public
15:01 kados public library?
15:01 mn    well i'm not someone to sponsor something. I'm on a strict (read no) budget myself. I do a ~5000 books private lib for around 150 patrons
15:00 kados it was developed for one client on a strict budget
14:59 kados but we haven't had enough sponsorship for it to afford that thusfar
14:59 kados it will probably be wrapped into a future version of the public release
14:59 mn    where is the hook?
14:59 mn    exactly what i was thinking about
14:59 kados then clicks on 'complete transaction'
14:58 kados so patron scans their barcode, then the barcodes of the items they are checking out
14:58 kados and it uses barcodes
14:58 kados mn: LibLime has a separate self-service self checkout module for Koha that's not yet been contributed
14:58 mn    hi
14:57 kados hi mn
14:57 mn    i'd like to have the whole circulation as a self-service-station with a barcodereader
14:55 mn    especially concerning barcodes
13:20 mn    i'd like to know some things about koha before trying it
13:19 dewey salut, mn
13:19 mn    hello