Time Nick Message 23:02 tnb :) 23:02 tnb ok, thanks 23:01 chris so when he gets here ill let him know you are after him 23:01 tnb ok, thanks :) 23:00 chris ahh no, russ tells me he's on the bus to my house 23:00 chris he's probably in starbucks :) 22:59 chris no worries 22:59 tnb thanks, sorry for the bother 22:59 chris hmmm ill ask russ 22:58 tnb he's not answering his phone 22:58 tnb I need to get ahold of josh ASAP... you seen him? 22:58 tnb hi :) 22:58 tnb oh good :) 22:58 chris yo 22:58 tnb chris: ? 20:50 chris yep 20:45 tnb chris: you still around? 19:51 waylon eh.. night then, slef. 19:51 slef bbl 19:51 slef asleep at the prompt, sorry 19:46 waylon or is that "*.p?".. 19:46 waylon find -name "*.p*" | xargs perl -pi -e "s/(use strict\;)/use strict\;\nuse lib \'<pathtoC4>'\;\n/gi"; 19:45 waylon if you assume that all p* files have use strict; in them.. then this line works. 19:39 waylon_ 450mhz i think... 19:38 waylon_ as far as moddile allthe files.. not messy. One, well.. two lines. Doesn't take long to process, on my p3 box. 192 mb ram. 19:37 slef waylon_: modding all the files seems a little messy. 19:36 slef waylon_: SSLRequireSSL in .htaccess... as long as your web host gives you a modssl server configured by default. 19:36 waylon_ slef: Dont even need that. A find | xarg line can put use lib '<path' statements into all your pl pm files. 19:35 slef waylon_: just a SetEnv PERL5LIB in .htaccess files? 19:34 thd slef: my suspicion is that the wiki authentication problems others have had on the wiki are browser, JavaScript, and cookie configuration specific problems. I have made many posts to a small set of pages without any problem so I have been left out of the fun. 19:34 waylon_ btw... you don't even need any virtualhost entries, if you want koha running from the main hostname. 19:33 slef that has reason 19:33 chris it wasnt obscurity i was suggesting, just a different ip range for a start, one not externally routed 19:32 slef waylon: some academics 19:32 slef waylon: obscurity of the subdomain is probably worse than having both on one host... if someone discovers the hostname for the librarian pages, http://librarianhostname/ redirects them to the admin login... if it's on the same hostname as the OPAC, it's less obvious IMO 19:31 waylon slef:who you setting up with koha? 19:31 thd slef: I noticed to my disappointment that dokuwiki uses some buggy javaScript in the editor 19:30 slef waylon: I have no qualms with it, if it's all that we have. I think I'd want SSL on librarian if we can but may still be neater to merge the VirtualHost sections and SSLRequireSSL the librarian interface. 19:30 waylon So.... I just put the intranet host, in another subdomain, and obscurity of the subdomain plus passwords are better than just passwords alone? 19:29 thd slef: I am not an admin of that system but I have modified dokuwiki templates to good effect in the past 19:29 slef thd: no, nor execute scripts, allow new windows, load images ... 19:28 waylon slef: Okay. in essense, having koha in such a constricted enviroment, as a production basis, is not good. 19:28 thd slef: so you do not accept cookies by default 19:28 slef thd: I don't know what settings are needed by the wiki - could you list them on the login screen? 19:27 slef thd: I suspect it's browser config. It's an iceweasel, default policy is to deny everything (and blame the french). 19:27 thd slef: what browser were you using when you had the permission denied message? 19:26 waylon ah.. adding rules, means the attackers have more rules to enter into their password generators? 19:26 thd slef: I am trying to diagnose the wiki authentication problem 19:26 thd slef: you may have missed a couple of questions I asked when you were tripping over things 19:26 slef waylon: constraining the password reduces the search space for attackers... remember enigma? 19:25 thd waylon: storing backups in a safe place is probably more important than passwords 19:25 slef thd: ping 19:24 thd waylon: they could try devious means to gain access to the server. Security does not require obscurity but it does help. There is no reason that Koha should be a real target for a cracking attempt but that is no reason to be complacent and therefore the most visible target to some cracking system wanting to make mischief in libraries 19:23 chris waylon: there is no reason to open the librarian interface up to the whole internet 19:23 rch always better to have more security in place. 19:22 rch people are bad with passwords. 19:22 rch then the sysadmin constantly gets called to reset people's passwords :) 19:20 waylon thd: hmm.. secure passwords, not less than x characters.... adding of some password rules, like having compulsory requirement to have a few numbers.... mixed case... 19:18 thd waylon: they could attempt to guess a password for one 19:17 waylon what could someone do, with a intranet, without a password, to comprimise it? 19:15 thd slef: ping me when you are off phone 19:15 slef thd: no. phone again. 19:15 chris s/intranet/librarian interface/ 19:14 chris you might want ot put the intranet under https too 19:14 thd waylon: if the address of the librarian interface is maximally secure it is probably also not widely distributed as an extra measure 19:14 chris not really 19:13 chris at least ones ive been involved with do 19:13 chris with firewall rules in place 19:12 chris most places have the intranet on another ipnumber entirely 19:12 waylon no? 19:12 chris thats not enough for most places 19:12 rch waylon: i think it just makes sense. two interfaces, two interfaces 19:11 thd waylon: one is for the OPAC which library readers use and the other is for administration which only librarians use. 19:10 waylon The question is.. why do we use two virtualhosts in the default koha? 19:09 waylon no ScriptAlias. 19:09 waylon So.. in other words... a extremely constricted enviroment. 19:08 waylon anyway... ive managed, without support from the sysadmin at all, to put koha into a userspace enviroment, with no CPAN access, no PERL5LIB access, no virtualhosts (except for the subdomain that they gave me) .. no logs (CGI:Carp is your friend) ... 19:08 thd waylon: what are your virtual host questions? 19:06 thd waylon: yes but your audience is now much smaller 19:06 waylon so thats it? I can ask my two virtualhost question now? 19:06 thd slef: I am still hoping you have not gone to sleep 19:05 thd goodbye Ohio 19:05 cm bye all 19:05 rch g'night, France 19:05 thd good night France 19:04 toins bye all 19:04 paul bye world 19:04 thd slef: are you still awake? 19:04 paul now, I can go to bed ;-) 19:04 rch sounds good, paul! 19:04 paul so I'm confident we made something very sure for the future 19:03 paul ENSMP is very very experienced in such structures. 19:03 paul once the association exist, we will have our 1st public meeting, with everybody that want to join the association. 19:02 thd russ: US grants are wasting away :( 19:02 paul i'll let you know whent it will be official, of course. 19:02 russ thd: small steps small steps 19:02 russ great news paul 19:01 thd paul: if johnb does not do anything I nominate the French organisation to run the international association 19:01 paul kohala = "Koha Libre Association" 19:01 kados w00t 19:01 paul with the feedback, the "kohala" will be a reality. 19:01 kados wow, that's great paul! 19:01 paul we should have the feedback in something like 1 month. 19:01 paul ENSMP should have transmitted them to governement 19:00 toins ok 19:00 paul (Non Profit Organization) 19:00 paul ENSMP + sociology + me had the 1st meeting, we have signed the papers. 19:00 toins NPO ? 19:00 thd slef: are you here? 19:00 paul the french NPO should be born next month. 19:00 thd kados: I need more deailed diagnostic information for the wiki problem because I have not seen it myself 18:59 paul I missed a VERY IMPORTANT NEWS !!! 18:59 paul oh !!!! 18:59 paul ok, great 18:59 kados paul: yes 18:59 kados thd: info is forthcoming on that 18:59 paul kados : you'll write something on koha-devel about other topics ? 18:59 rch paul: great 18:58 thd kados: what is happening with the Copyright assignment for Koha with respect to Katipo and LibLime Ltd? 18:58 paul (tomorrow morning) 18:58 paul rch / kados i'll write something on koha-devel about tumer/head/rel_3_0 branches 18:57 kados thd: I won't have time till probably fri or sat to work on it though :( 18:57 waylon someone ableto tell me why we use two virtual hosts? 18:57 kados thd: maybe write a mail to koha-devel? or to me privately? 18:57 kados thd: unfortunatly yes, today is super busy 18:57 paul rch ++ 18:57 rch perhaps more discussion of HEAD on devel list? 18:57 paul I'll be here (even if baby is here) 18:57 thd kados; so is it to late to discuss wiki authentication problems today? 18:57 hdl Thx 18:56 kados within a couple of weeks 18:56 kados and I'll make sure to schedule another one soon 18:56 hdl So do I. 18:56 kados so lets close the meeting 18:56 kados hehe 18:56 paul (in my bedroom :-D ) 18:56 hdl tumer said he still waited for us in Cyprus :P 18:55 hdl or is it windows related. 18:55 hdl on savannah 18:54 hdl Maybe an auhtentication problem. 18:54 hdl he wnated to ask some more information to kados. 18:54 thd hdl: what is preventing him from committing? 18:53 hdl He has problems with mod_perl under Windows. 18:53 paul thd : I already spoke of this with kados, so it's not my english :-) 18:53 hdl But there are killer fetures in it. 18:53 hdl tumer could not commit on head for quite a long time now. 18:52 thd paul: you understand English better than I do :) 18:52 paul thd : I think so 18:52 waylon ahh.. like Debian freezes? 18:52 thd paul: Was branch head what was meant by kados? 18:51 kados paul++ 18:51 paul and say rel_3_0 is the official one, so in head. 18:51 kados yep 18:51 paul but say that tumer version is not head, but a specific one. 18:51 kados paul: yea 18:51 slef paul: france needs to move to english time ;-) 18:51 paul thd : not delete head. 18:50 thd kados: why would you ever delete head? 18:50 paul waylon: tumer is a guy from Cyprus 18:50 dewey i heard Tumer was having lots of authentication problems 18:50 waylon Tumer? 18:50 rch that makes sense to me 18:50 paul tumer is not here, but I think branching head => tumer and rel_3_0 => head is a good idea. 18:50 paul tumer is not here, but I think branching head => tumer and rel_3_0 => head is a good point. 18:49 rch if there's a feature freeze, we need a head 18:49 kados rch: good point 18:49 rch are we still hitting rel_3 v HEAD 18:49 paul waylon: reminder : it's 11PM here in france ;-) 18:48 kados waylon: lets discuss that after the meeting 18:48 paul yes, a last one : do we declare feature freeze on rel_3_0 branch ? 18:48 waylon kados: any reason why we have two virtual hosts? 18:48 kados anyone have any other points to discuss? 18:48 kados hehe 18:47 slef aw 18:47 paul I don't expect koha 3.0 before this date :-D 18:47 kados so I will talk to him about that when I return on the 15th 18:46 paul when I see liblime demo opac, I think he could do a great job at designing "official" OPAC. 18:46 paul lol 18:46 slef paul: stop assigning bugs to them 18:45 paul wow, there are many babies in koha team... 18:45 hdl i think so 18:45 kados i was in NZ, so don't know exact date 18:45 kados about a week ago I think 18:45 kados yep 18:45 paul already born ? 18:45 kados yep :-) 18:45 paul a baby too ? 18:45 kados paul: new baby 18:45 kados but I could nominate him to work on it in his absense :-) 18:45 paul maternity leave ? 18:45 kados owen is on maternity leave 18:44 paul yep, but I think they are quite basic & could be improved. 18:44 waylon suppose i could start installing rel_3_0.... can it run under windows as well as rel_2_2? 18:44 kados doesn't san have some? 18:44 hdl But default css would be a great thing too. 18:44 paul does anyone have any suggestion for point 4 (stylesheets) ? 18:44 kados we will await hdl's new installer with great anticipation :-) 18:44 paul ok, then i'm OK. 18:43 hdl kados' one 18:43 paul (which 3 ? mine or kados one ?) 18:43 kados so I will set some time for LibLime staff to do internal testing of rel_3_0 and we will post bugs to bugs.koha.org 18:43 hdl That still need some work on. 18:43 hdl and provided good bases. 18:43 hdl 3 paul worked on It. 18:42 kados yep 18:42 slef 2. should be solved by hdl's great work and forward-porting whatever we do for 2.2.8 18:42 hdl kados: point 1 we have done to a certain extent with our day in Paris Jan 22. 18:42 kados I'd say that's what needs to be done 18:42 kados hehe 18:41 paul point 4 : migration 18:41 paul kados : right 18:41 paul - default CSS for OPAC & intranet. 18:41 paul - testing & bugfixing (if we consider we are feature freeze, which is not official) 18:41 kados as I see it we need 1. to test every component; 2. to make the install easier; 3. make migration scripts work better 18:41 paul - installer 18:41 paul I see 3 differents things to work on : 18:40 paul yep. 18:40 paul kados, what do we speak about now ? 18:40 kados paul: so the question was 'what will be done for rel_3_0 to be ready for 3.0', right? 18:40 kados hehe 18:40 slef paul: flame the chairman ;-) 18:39 waylon oh.. sorry paul.. 18:39 hdl But it is usually OK. 18:39 paul guys... we are speaking of 4 things at the same time, and it's quite confusing... 18:39 waylon slef: Determine if you can set your PERL5LIB.. if not, you'll have to do a find and xarg, to set 'use lib' 18:39 hdl perl -c is a first step. 18:39 kados paul: but a lot has been fixed since then 18:39 slef but I know much will have to wait until koha is configured 18:39 kados paul: last time we investigated rel_3_0 it wasn't as stable as dev_week 18:39 slef paul: we could perl -c (syntax check) them maybe? 18:38 hdl http://www.openqa.org/selenium/ 18:38 waylon slef: its basically... put opac/ into the main cgi-bin/koha. put cgi-bin/koha, just the koha directory, into cgi-bin of the server. 18:38 kados paul: well for one, chris will be working on Koha full time soon 18:38 paul slef : because the result is a html page, that is hard to say wether it succeded or failed. 18:38 toins (to discover some mod_perl specific bugs) 18:38 hdl what about selenium ? 18:38 toins and we can't test with multiple client connected to koha 18:37 slef why can't we test .pl? 18:37 paul kados : you said that 3.0 will be release when it will be ready. what do you plan to do to have it ready ? 18:37 paul because we can't test .pl, that are 90% of our code. 18:37 hdl slef : waylon wanted to say look at 18:36 paul toins tried to work on /t, but we concluded that we could not do anything really interesting. 18:36 slef <waylon> check out wayrob.freehostia.com 18:36 slef or just an instruction? is it a simple 'merge the two VirtualHost'? 18:36 russ we trialled a few things, but nothing really worked out 18:36 thd russ: chris had mentioned that a test suite was being developed at Katipo during devel week 18:36 waylon slef: oh.... right.. you want a download... 18:35 slef waylon: so how do I checkout it? 18:35 waylon slef: cvs? don't have it. 18:35 waylon actually.. password not theusual default.... 18:35 thd russ: what has happened with the general purpose test suite Katipo was developing for company wide use? 18:35 slef cvs [checkout aborted]: connect to wayrob.freehostia.com(64.72.112.20):2401 failed: Connection refused 18:35 slef ; cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@wayrob.freehostia.com:/ checkout koha 18:34 russ in spirit only :-) 18:34 rch thd: i hope liblime will be adding to the t/ dir 18:34 thd russ: are you still here? 18:33 waylon cardnumber: pntskoha ... password.. the usual default. 18:33 waylon check out wayrob.freehostia.com 18:33 rch :) 18:33 thd rch: sorry, yes I Imagined that you were rach :) 18:33 kados toins: good point 18:33 slef toins++ 18:33 waylon slef: ive already done that.. 18:33 toins becareful t/ directory can only test module function but not all the scripts individually 18:33 hdl (some of the modules are 3.0 specific) 18:32 rch you mean rach? 18:32 kados thd: we'd have to ask russ or mason I think 18:32 slef waylon: dunno... would help many people to merge them IMO 18:32 thd rch: what has happened with the general purpose test suite Katipo was developing for company wide use? 18:32 waylon why do we have two virtual hosts, when they coexist on one server happily? 18:32 paul what hdl is doing is not specifically related to 3.0 18:32 kados right 18:32 slef if it's ready, of course 18:32 paul slef : maybe. 18:31 slef kados/paul: can we change installer for 2.2.8? 18:31 kados hehe 18:31 kados I have just resolved myself that 3.0 will be ready when it's ready 18:31 paul I have librarians that don't want to pay for testing, but are OK to test if they don't pay ;-) 18:31 slef kados: yes, but it really needs the web installer and new perl installer 18:31 kados paul: it's the classic prob with OSS library software: librarians don't want to pay for testing software :-) 18:31 hdl slef++ 18:31 rch t/ ++ 18:31 rch i've been working mostly on dev_week 18:30 paul right. the question being : who works on those tests ;-) 18:30 kados rch: wanna speak to that? 18:30 kados rch has been testing on our end 18:30 kados there is still a lot of testing that must be done before rel_3_0 can become 3.0 IMO 18:30 paul we plan to setup a 3.0 at IPT. 18:30 kados right 18:30 paul but they don't use some features like acquisitions. 18:29 kados ahh, two items under rel_3_0 status were hdl's installer and what to do with HEAD & rel_3_0 18:29 paul here in France, we have SAN-OP going live with 3.0 18:29 thd :) 18:29 kados paul: oops, did I jump the gun? :-) 18:29 paul we havent spoke of rel_3_0 status yet ! 18:28 kados my opinion is to delete HEAD and replace with rel_3_0 :-) 18:28 paul kados : no 18:28 kados there remains 'what to do with rel_3 and HEAD' 18:28 paul kados: right 18:28 paul that could be slef job + I had a french candidate from Debian to create a .deb 18:28 kados slef: isn't threre already work on a .deb for 2.2.8? 18:27 kados paul: great idea 18:27 thd hdl: I trust that it looks great even if I cannot see for myself? 18:27 paul the other part of koha setup being setting config file & virtual host can easily be put in a .deb / .rpm I think 18:26 hdl I thought about chmodding dirr to 000 and getting to mainpage.pl 18:26 kados great job hdl 18:26 kados I'm excited about seeing the code when it's done :-) 18:26 kados so the installer looks great! 18:26 hdl Normally at the end. When install is finished. 18:26 thd hdl: well, authentication is required there 18:25 kados hdl: yep, I got it 18:25 hdl kohaadmin 18:25 hdl (your email box) 18:25 thd hdl: no every hidden directory on my site is open if you know where it is :) 18:24 hdl Cookies must be enabled. 18:24 hdl kados ; same for you. 18:24 hdl in agogme.com you have login and password. 18:23 thd hdl: all I see is an authentication form. 18:23 hdl ) 18:23 hdl (which was the good one. 18:23 hdl I didnot know which framework to propose to persons for MARC21. 18:23 hdl english I had no data to put in. 18:22 hdl French language version of this page is more explicit than english atm. 18:22 hdl and text to describe them. 18:22 hdl sql to import data to mysql base. 18:21 paul ... 18:21 paul some authorized values 18:21 paul (like patron categories, itemtypes...) 18:21 hdl in the level directory, you have sql and text files. 18:21 paul or a subset to setup a classic public library 18:21 kados right 18:21 hdl additionals would be any fancy framework or list for instance CD frameworks.. 18:20 hdl recommended : things that will highly ease the work of librarian. 18:20 hdl required : for datas taht are necessary for Koha to Work. 18:19 kados hdl: what is 'level'? 18:19 thd paul: what is the login for that page? 18:19 hdl It is not hardcoded. 18:19 hdl your level beeing required/recommended or additionals or any other name you like. 18:18 kados ahh 18:18 hdl Now sqldatas should be in misc/sql-data/(en| fr)/ <your level> 18:17 hdl Now sqldatas should be in misc/sqldata/ 18:17 kados hdl: what's the but :-) 18:17 paul (on step 3, select "french" to see what it will be done for) 18:17 hdl kados and all ther is a BUT. 18:17 hdl BUT 18:16 kados it's really great! 18:16 hdl Still working on it. 18:16 hdl kados not yet. 18:16 hdl slef told me. Had no chance to correct this. 18:16 kados is this committed? 18:16 hdl 2) looks mysqlconnection and database structure. 18:16 paul (the step 3 is : http://i12.hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/install/install.pl?step=3&op=selectframeworks and nothttp://i12.hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/install/install.pl?step=3&op=selectframeworks%22) 18:16 kados cool 18:15 hdl throws a warning to librarian if not OK. 18:15 hdl 1) languageselection + module verification. 18:15 hdl 3. 18:15 hdl It uses sqldumps user can make. 18:15 paul + create the DB itself 18:15 kados hdl: so the installer is just two steps? :-) 18:14 slef and language selection 18:14 hdl It is a web installer for all the data and datasets populating in Mysql. 18:14 tnb hey mason :) 18:14 hdl So you have the link ? 18:13 mason hiya everyone 18:13 slef (I've a problem with the perl installer... it keeps putting the CGI scripts in /usr/lib/site-perl, which isn't ideal) 18:13 hdl (slef knows it) 18:12 paul (you should prefill them in the template for the demo) 18:12 slef waylon: there'll be a system-semi-dependent perl installer for doing the sysadmin install... then hdl's super web installer takes over for web and database 18:12 hdl password and login you can get in your emila boxes. 18:12 hdl i12.hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/install/install.pl 18:12 paul hdl, throw the URL ;-) 18:11 paul slef: ++ 18:11 waylon OS independant web installer? 18:11 slef I can ask a friend and see whether we can get a grant to fund a student to hack on a query language to xpath converter 18:11 dewey good news is that search?q=callnum works now. :) 18:11 kados good news! 18:11 kados hdl: added to 3.0 section ? 18:11 paul yep... 18:11 kados so there's a new installer for 3.0? 18:11 hdl (Indexdata may have worked on that already. 18:11 paul (/me starts training for the 4 voting days we will have soon ;-) ) 18:10 kados yea, that would rock 18:10 slef if we're lucky ;-) 18:10 slef kados: aye... I think it's more probable someone develops a query language -> XPath mapping for us 18:10 kados so can we move to discussing 3.0 itself? 18:10 paul kados: right 18:10 rch thd: yes probably just indexing 18:09 kados slef: so xpath might solve part of the problem, but we still will need to re-implement one or all of the query languages (CCL, CQL, PQF/RPN) if we want a consistant search API 18:09 thd rch: unless someone has tests showing otherwise 18:08 thd rch: XPath is much slower for indexing but should be comparably fast to no XPath after indexing 18:08 paul it seems ;-) 18:08 kados 3.0_nonzebra I meant 18:08 kados oops 18:08 kados paul: so far 30=.0_nonzebra 18:07 slef http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/xml-functions.html 18:07 slef kados: I expect the world will be mysql 5.1 by the time koha 3.0sql is ready 18:07 paul so, we speak of 3.0 or still 3.0_nonzebra ? 18:07 rch (in zebra) 18:07 rch xpath is much slower, yes? 18:07 kados slef: I wonder how basic they are 18:07 kados slef: esp if we switched to XPath in zebra 18:07 thd kados: welcome to the real world of apparent work versus actual work required :) 18:06 kados slef: ahh, so that's worth looking at 18:06 thd hdl: I was referring to where the record is taken for display and editing not indexing 18:06 kados as everyone probably knows, we're about a year behind our original estimates for the release date :-) 18:06 hdl thd : it is not enough 18:06 slef Beginning with MySQL 5.1.5, two functions providing basic XPath (XML Path Language) capabilities are available. 18:06 dewey i already had it that way, kados. 18:06 kados so the next and last item is 3.0 itself 18:05 thd hdl: you could still have the nonmarc fields for indexing in SQL 18:05 waylon so marc_word is still the best SQL way of searching. 18:05 kados paul++ 18:05 kados even that I'm not sure about 18:05 kados slef: maybe full text on the whole document 18:05 kados slef: at least not fielded searches 18:05 paul slef: I don't think either 18:05 kados slef: dont think so 18:05 paul i'll explain my idea deeper on the wiki. 18:05 slef thd: can't mysql handle xml yet? 18:04 hdl thd : if you do so, how can you index ? 18:04 waylon marc_word tables etc? 18:04 waylon so.. basically.. import all the SQL access/update stuff into 3.0? 18:04 thd paul: given your thoughts for option 2 would the primary record be the XML record stored as whole instead of MARC in SQL? 18:04 kados so the next and last item is 3.0 itself 18:03 kados excellent 18:03 kados I'm behind a SQL version of 3.0, but we will need to make sure 2.2->3.0_nozebra upgrade is seamless 18:03 paul and see if they are acceptable or have to be solved. 18:03 paul to see what kind of limits it will have. 18:03 kados paul++ 18:03 paul so, I may investigate (& write something on the wiki) my idea. 18:02 rch (cleaned api)++ 18:02 slef the cleaned api seems miles better. no contest to me. option 2 and crack the problems 18:02 kados for what to do regarding the 2.2 vs 3.0 prob 18:02 kados so I guess we don't have any strong direction 18:02 kados hehe 18:01 slef kados: rooting used to be funny to aussies 18:01 kados sure 18:00 paul so, back to 2.2.7/8 questions ? 18:00 kados hehe 18:00 slef kados: swine 18:00 russ :-) 18:00 kados bummer 18:00 russ good fun even though the results didnt got the way we wanted 17:59 kados russ: how was the cricket? 17:59 toins hehe 17:59 kados russ: s/bat/bag/ 17:59 paul libLime conquering the world !!! 17:59 kados russ: the cat's out of the bat 17:59 paul I almost thought it was the truth... 17:59 kados :-) 17:59 paul ah, I understand, it's a joke in fact... 17:58 kados paul: April 1st if all goes smoothly :-) 17:58 kados paul: not just yet :-) 17:58 paul hi new liblimer. 17:58 waylon hiya russ. 17:58 hdl hi russ. 17:58 kados a web installer? 17:58 russ hello all 17:58 paul no, web installer. but it's not time, wait a minut ;-) 17:58 kados hey russ 17:58 paul yep. 17:58 thd ? 17:58 thd paul: you mean to say that 'a nightmare' is less painful than 'a pain' 17:57 hdl rebuildzebra you did ? 17:57 paul hdl : maybe it's time to show up our new surprise ? 17:57 cm yes, indeed! 17:57 kados cm: that shouldn't be very hard, the hard part is going to zebra in the first place 17:57 cm good. :) 17:57 kados cm: yea, don't worry 17:57 kados right 17:56 paul it's just a nightmare now ;-) 17:56 kados paul: we're still testing rel_3_0 17:56 paul and hdl & me already tried on 4 different DB (although not in production), and it's not a pain. 17:56 cm yeah, please tell me dev_week -> 3_0 won't be too bad! ;) 17:56 kados just dev_week 17:56 kados we don't have any rel_3_0 systems in production 17:56 paul because we added many things to rel_3_0 to ease the process. 17:56 kados 2.2 -> dev_week 17:56 kados sorry, right 17:55 thd kados: you do not have enough practise :) 17:55 slef the cleaned api seems miles better. no contest to me. option 2 and crack the problems 17:55 paul 2 to 3 or dev_week ? 17:55 kados thd: and its' a real pain! 17:55 kados thd: we've only done one of those 17:55 thd kados: have your version 2 to 3 migrations been going any better lately? 17:55 paul kados: something like that. Maybe 3 months in fact. 17:55 toins humm... yep 2 months i think 17:54 kados toins: was it about two months? 17:54 paul kados arrived just before I spoke ot the 2nd pard. 17:54 kados toins: how long did you work on improving the API in rel_3? 17:54 paul thd : no, I just spoke of the 1st part of the job. 17:54 toins thd, i think so too 17:54 kados I fear upgrading from 2.2.x to 3.0_nozebra could be difficult to implement without a long testing period 17:53 thd paul: had you not told me that option 2 would be relatively easy before kados appeared? 17:53 kados and the process of upgrading from 2.2.x to 2.2.y works fairly well 17:53 kados it's critical that we don't leave them hanging 17:53 paul waylon: CCL/CQL/RPN are the 3 languages we can use to query a zebra DB. 17:52 kados rel_2_2 I mean 17:52 slef waylon: zebra-helpful query languages 17:52 kados is that almost all koha libraries, hundreds of them, use rel_2 17:52 kados one more problem 17:52 waylon "CCL/CQL/RPN? 17:52 paul but i'm not 100% happy with this idea. 17:52 paul considering that small libraries means smaller features. 17:52 paul maybe we could use only a small subset of CCL for example 17:51 kados that's tricky 17:51 paul I don't have the answer to the question. 17:51 kados yea 17:51 paul how to SEARCH with CCL/CQL/RPN in this db 17:51 paul the BIGGEST problem being : 17:51 paul marc_words idea 17:51 kados ahh, right 17:51 paul the mac_words idea 17:51 paul we just had to improve "zebraop" to handle "indexing" of MARC records. 17:50 kados what do you mean by 'reverted index of records'? 17:50 paul i already have investigated that before we decided to go to zebra. 17:50 paul - it should be "easy" to store a reverted index of records. 17:49 paul the problem with the other possibility is that : 17:49 paul (2 parameters) = AddBiblio(3 parameters) in 3.0 17:49 paul (3 parameters) = NEWnewbiblio(3 parameters) in 2.2 17:49 paul for example, adding a biblio was : 17:49 paul the API changed in almost all .pm packages. 17:48 paul the problem with point 1 is that rel_3_0 has been cleaned a lot by toins. So it will be a pain, to backport things. 17:48 kados slef++ for clarifying 17:48 slef 3. feature-freeze rel_2_2, create a SQL version of rel_3 and /then/ stop support on rel_2_2 17:48 kados slef: yea, that's what I meant 17:48 slef 3. create a SQL version of rel_3 and /then/ stop support on rel_2_2 17:47 kados paul: sure 17:47 paul I investigated a lot this question, can I explain ? 17:47 kados 2. stop support on rel_2_2 and create a SQL version of rel_3_0 17:47 kados paul: yes 17:47 kados 1. backport improvements gradually from rel_3_0 to rel_2_2 17:46 paul it's related to SQL version of rel3 or backport improvements to rel2_2? 17:46 kados we have two options I think: 17:46 kados esp as it relates to the improvements that are in rel_3_0? 17:46 kados can we talk about the future of 2.2? 17:46 slef waylon: right... just fix the worst cockups 17:46 slef waylon: or flag it in bugs.koha.org if you want (as that's something I'll check) 17:46 paul waylon: right 17:46 kados so before we talk about rel_3_0 and the release of 3.0 17:46 waylon ah. okay. so 2.2.7.1 won't have the new features, that right? 17:45 slef waylon: no, add everything to rel_2_2 and email koha-devel about any blockers/CRIs for 2.2.7.1 please 17:44 rch but am running 2_2 on mysql5 17:44 waylon huh? So.... I add bugfixes to rel_2_2_7, new features to rel_2_2? 17:44 rch haven't tested thoroughly 17:44 slef aye... sort of stuff that's been going on/going wrong this week, you never know ;-) 17:44 paul is 2.2 cmopliant with mySQL5 now ? 17:44 paul rch : I see you did some commit for mySQL5 fixes. 17:44 kados slef+++ when it's done ;-) 17:43 kados slef++ for offering 17:43 paul yep. 17:43 kados paul: that OK with you? 17:43 slef kados: I'll branch rel_2_2_7 and backport fixes if you want 17:43 kados ahh, I see what you mean 17:43 kados slef: to do a mini release 17:43 slef so just 2.2.7 + paul's CRI + barcode + what else? 17:43 kados slef: i worry we've done too much between 2.2.7 and now 17:43 paul in fact, the 68 commits I have to check are related to bug for around 20 of them, and improvements/new features for around 50 17:42 paul would be better that a poorly tested 2.2.8, with new features like holidays 17:42 waylon huh? guess we've done alot of bugfixing. 17:41 slef 2.2.7.1 anyone? 17:41 paul slef : ok, I understand. in french : "bonnet d'ane" 17:41 waylon paul++ ... was goingto look at that today... had my linux boxen set up, to go ZOOM. 17:41 kados hehe 17:41 slef aha! paul++ 17:41 paul (probably BLO for you in fact ;-) ) 17:41 slef paul: mistake so embarassing that developer should wear a brown paper bag over head in shame 17:40 kados paul++ 17:40 kados ahh 17:40 paul critical 17:40 paul (when searching on title) 17:40 kados CRI? 17:40 paul i also fixed a CRI bug in z3950 search today 17:40 paul right slef. 17:40 slef barcorde not barcode 17:40 paul brown paper bag error ??? 17:40 hdl maybe. 17:40 slef paul: there's a 'brown paper bag' error in 2.2.7's installer 17:39 paul so in march, don't expect too many things from me 17:39 kados right 17:39 paul we are waiting for our 4th boy, and he should be here for late feb/early march. 17:39 slef hdl: can we get installer-NG ready for it? 17:39 kados sure 17:39 paul (that I should have pointed as "news") 17:39 paul just to point 1 important thing 17:37 slef when is 2.2.8 aimed for? 17:37 kados cool 17:37 paul and maybe : http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/interoperability/dc_unimarc.html 17:37 paul + http://www.ifla.org/IV/ifla64/138-161e.htm 17:37 kados thd++ 17:37 kados taking the LOC marc21 as an example 17:36 kados actually it might not be too much work 17:36 thd yes 17:36 kados thd: you wanna work on that? ;-) 17:36 paul thd : yep 17:36 kados thd: yep 17:36 thd paul, kados: we just need a UNIMARC implementation of the XSLT transform 17:36 kados so what else for 2.2.8? 17:36 kados cool 17:35 paul right. that was my plan too 17:35 kados paul: until you or someone ahs time to create a stylesheet 17:35 kados paul: i can hide the MODS + DC based on UNIMARC vs MARC21 17:35 paul in UNIMARC, it's in 200$a 17:35 paul in MARC21, it's in 245 17:35 paul the XSLT must know where is the title. 17:35 paul thd : the DC says "DC.Title" for the title. 17:35 paul i know for months that someone will have to write the XSLT for UNIMARC => DC if it does not exist 17:35 hdl UNIMARC is way back to have so good standard helps. 17:35 kados paul: and it is completely independent of the rest of the system so it should work fine with rel_2 17:34 thd paul: what do you mean by Dublin core not working with UNIMARC? 17:34 kados paul: but not the new version that actually works 17:34 kados paul: Record.pm is commited to dev_week and rel_3 17:34 kados paul: right 17:34 hdl Lucky you. 17:34 paul you show me the stuff, but did not commit anything yet, right ? 17:33 hdl :P 17:33 kados hdl: I just used default LOC stylesheets 17:33 hdl loc ones ? 17:33 kados hdl: yep :-) 17:33 hdl Cool. Are you using XSLT ? 17:33 waylon thats interesting. Saving via MARC frameworks? 17:33 paul right 17:33 kados probably not either 17:33 kados what about MODS? 17:33 kados ahh, good point 17:33 paul although i'm afraid DC schema will not work for UNIMARC 17:33 kados ok, I'll put that on my list then 17:32 paul would be great. 17:32 kados paul: allows saving record in a variety of formats 17:32 kados paul: see the 'save record' feature? 17:31 kados paul: http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/bib/16595 17:31 thd we need an internationalisation model which is not necessarily template dependent 17:31 kados paul: you can tell me if you want me to commit it 17:31 kados I have a small feature I created recently 17:31 kados it's a lot of work 17:30 kados yea, I can understand that 17:30 kados maybe for 2.2.9 :-) 17:30 paul s/great/huge/ 17:30 hdl should be a great job to translate all the stuff. 17:30 kados ok, no problem 17:30 paul kados: ++ 17:30 kados because no french translation + no stylesheets for french libraries 17:30 paul we already have too many things to do. 17:30 hdl atm I don't favour this idea. 17:30 kados ahh, ok 17:30 paul that would be a good thing. but i'm afraid we can't "afford" it here (in France) 17:29 kados paul: do we want to eliminate default/css? or is it not appropriate? 17:29 paul right 17:29 kados hehe 17:29 paul (you'll say ++ when it will be done ;-) ) 17:29 kados paul: we also discussed doing something with templates for 2.2.8 17:28 kados paul++ 17:28 paul I have 68 commits to check on rel_2_2 17:28 kados mason++ 17:28 kados excellent 17:28 rch mason added to 2_2 17:28 paul rch : yep 17:28 cm rch, it seems to work in dev_week. 17:28 kados cool 17:28 rch yep 17:28 kados rch: was it committed to 2_2? 17:27 rch has anyone tested the holidays feature in 2_2? 17:27 kados it will be fixed soon though 17:27 kados the new corporate serials module 17:26 kados I know there is at least one feature that still ahs some bugs 17:26 kados 2.2.8 17:26 kados waylon: http://liblime.com/about/careers 17:25 waylon liblime got a job list? 17:25 kados so 2.2.8 17:25 kados or questions, etc. 17:25 kados so that's probably it for news unless anyone has any other items :-) 17:24 waylon ah. 17:24 paul if i understand correctly 17:24 waylon iiuc? 17:23 kados paul: correct 17:23 kados and russ will be expanding the market in the austrialasia area 17:23 paul so they leave katipo if iiuc 17:23 thd kados: that is understood but would you estimate the degree as compared to the time they are currently spending? 17:23 kados waylon: :-) 17:23 toins great ! 17:23 kados so it will be especially good for the koha project 17:23 kados chris and mason will have more time to devote on koha development 17:22 kados paul: it's a subsidiary of LibLime US 17:22 waylon LibLime Ltd NZ? 17:22 paul LibLime Ltd NZ will be a part of LibLime US, or something else ? 17:21 thd kados: what degree of difference will that likely mean for Koha development in terms of the time that chris, russ, and mason have as compared to the present? 17:21 kados waylon: not sure 'give over' is the right phrase, but yea, katipo won't be working on Koha any more 17:21 toins waylon, good question.. 17:21 waylon s/line/lime/ 17:20 waylon Will Katipo keep working on Koha, or totally give over to LibLine? 17:20 kados so the arrangement is good for both of us 17:20 kados and LibLime needs more capacity for Koha development and support 17:20 kados katipo isn't a Koha company, they are web development company 17:20 kados it's an agreement that will help both companies streamline our business workflow 17:19 paul wow ! 17:19 slef thd: like a memorandum of understanding, I think 17:19 kados paul: correct 17:19 kados it's quite big news for us :-) 17:19 thd kados: what is a 'heads of agreement'? 17:19 paul hiring chris/russ/mason full time ? 17:19 kados LibLime and Katipo have signed a 'heads of agreement' for LibLime to take over Katipo's Koha operation in NZ, including hiring Chris, Russ and Mason 17:19 kados I'll post again for slef's benefit 17:19 cm indeed! 17:19 hdl WoW. 17:18 kados LibLime and Katipo have signed a 'heads of agreement' for LibLime to take over Katipo's Koha operation in NZ, including hiring Chris, Russ and Mason 17:18 kados so some of you may have heard already 17:17 hdl (3.0) 17:17 hdl but there are still some tricky ones with zebra. 17:17 waylon which version, hdl? 17:17 kados wow, that's great! 17:17 kados hdl++ 17:17 paul hdl: 149 at the end ;-) 17:17 hdl most of them fixed. 17:17 hdl + there was a french bug session Monda 22 January ... 108 bugs were raised.) 17:16 paul so, 2.2.8 ? 17:16 slef it's in English too 17:16 paul lol 17:16 kados paul: at least in american english, dunno in NZ english ;-) 17:16 waylon Ya.. when i don't have anything to do.. i pick up a bug and fix it. 17:16 kados paul: it's an english idiom, means 'on the side project for fun' 17:15 hdl (3.0 is in production at SAN WP but you knew.) 17:15 paul pet project ??? 17:15 kados waylon++ 17:15 cm hi all 17:15 waylon Good. im kinda taking on 2.2.x as a pet project. 17:15 kados hi cm 17:15 cm though we keep moving our target date. :) 17:15 cm ccfls should be going live with meadville in march... 17:15 kados gotcha 17:14 paul nope. 2.2.x 17:14 kados paul: 3.0 installs? 17:14 kados great paul! 17:14 paul 2 on public libraries & one for a high school 17:14 waylon sweet, paul! 17:14 kados (/me got first introduction to rubgy and cricket here in NZ) 17:14 paul some business news : we are starting 3 new installs in france. 17:13 kados who has some news? :-) 17:13 paul it seems ;-) 17:13 paul ) 17:13 kados so we did the introductions already :-) 17:13 paul (hdl added "web installer" line too 17:13 kados paul: ok, great 17:13 kados waylon: been a while since I've seen you, welcome back :-) 17:12 kados right even :-) 17:12 kados ahh, righ! 17:12 waylon eh.. i abandoned it, liking to use my real name. 17:12 dewey genji is waylon_'s username 17:12 waylon genji... 17:12 waylon Genjimoto 17:12 paul s/don't/didn't/ 17:12 paul I don't have any problem adding what slef wanted to add 17:12 kados thd: what's that? 17:12 kados anyone have anything to add to the agenda? 17:12 thd kados: you would recognise the former nick of waylon 17:12 kados but I assume since slef had trouble editing maybe others didn't get their stuff added? 17:11 kados so we have an agenda 17:11 kados ahh, cool 17:11 paul all frenchies and probably all listening or looking for france-argentina soccer match maybe 17:11 kados waylon: remind me where you're from? 17:11 waylon must be cool, getting paid for doing koha work. 17:10 kados paul++ :-) 17:10 paul paul, hdl and toins are all from the same company too. 17:10 kados tnb is Tina Burger, also from LibLime 17:09 kados great, I'd say that's quorum 17:09 waylon im here 17:09 kados chris is still at a tech meeting 17:09 paul while r*a*ch is Rachel, from katipo. 17:09 tnb i'm here :) 17:08 paul waylon was here few minuts ago 17:08 kados rch is Ryan Higgins, he works for LibLime :-) 17:08 kados hey rch 17:08 slef MJ Ray 17:08 kados slef, thd, hdl, toins, and kados so far :-) 17:08 thd kados: maybe you had not completely reverted but we will discuss after 17:08 kados who's here? 17:08 kados so I guess first a roll call is in order 17:08 kados hehe 17:07 kados thd: sure, lets do that 17:07 kados shoot 17:07 thd kados: I know the template code very well but I do have some ideas for diagnosis if you want to discuss it after the meeting 17:07 slef kados: yep 17:07 kados slef: did you have trouble editing a page after you logged in? 17:06 kados thd: so maybe the problem is not with the template 17:06 thd kados: slef just reported a permissions problem with the wiki. We could discuss what it might be at your convenience. 17:06 kados but I've been in NZ for two weeks no :-) 17:06 kados well, I would like to use that as an excuse 17:06 paul + you're maybe still "jetlagged" 17:06 kados so I suppose we can start 17:06 kados :-) 17:06 paul ;-) 17:06 paul 3mn late is not too much 17:05 kados sorry I'm late :( 17:05 toins hello 17:05 paul hi kados 17:05 kados hi all 17:05 thd slef: sorry to pester you about this but maybe we could resolve the problem, which I have never seen myself in my own usage, if we had more diagnostic information. Kados said that nothing appears in the error logs. 17:01 thd slef: do you know what the page is locked by another user dokuwiki message is? 17:00 thd slef: and what cookie and JavaScript policy do you have set for that browser? 16:58 thd slef: what browser were you using when permission was denied? 16:57 thd slef: Kados had imagined it was a template change which I had introduced but I think it is something else if he has actually reverted completely. 16:55 slef thd: yes. Exact error was in ""s above. 16:55 thd s/ti/it/ 16:55 thd slef: what was the exact error message. Can you reproduce ti? 16:54 thd slef: there have been some authentication/permission problems with the Koha wiki and I would appreciate a very complete bug report. 16:54 slef thd: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php (Edit page link from agenda) 16:52 thd slef: what wiki page claimed you had no permission? 16:52 paul thd : i'm not sure, i don't have enough experience 16:52 thd paul: do your Zebra scripts not work reliably every time? 16:51 hdl was wiating for a good occasion. 16:51 hdl not yet. 16:51 paul you speak of web installer to slef ? 16:51 hdl yes 16:50 paul hdl around ? 16:50 thd paul: I think the documentation is sufficient but it is not always as detailed and helpful as some MySQL documentation for the corresponding example. 16:49 slef paul: I don't have write access to the wiki. 16:49 paul the problem is that it's usually very hard to understand ! 16:48 slef buh!? "This page is read only. You can view the source, but not change it. Ask your administrator if you think this is wrong." 16:48 paul thd : indexdata produces long & large docs. 16:48 slef there are many wikis I can't edit - I thought this was another 16:48 thd paul: I take it as given that Zebra is more difficult because Index Data does not believe in producing or has never been paid enough to produce full and complete documentation of the sort Ross Singer and I like. 16:48 slef sorry about that 16:48 slef apparently I do 16:48 paul can't you do it yourself slef ? you don't have write access to the wiki ? 16:47 slef can someone put 'installer' under the 2.2.8 heading on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=agendandnotes07feb07 please? 16:46 dewey hdl: I forgot thd 16:46 hdl dewey : forget thd 16:45 paul but I feel that it will be harder to maintain a zebra server than a full SQL one 16:45 paul maybe you're right and i'm not confident enough with zebra for instance. 16:44 thd paul: what do you mean. Zebra functions are scriptable like any other good Unix application. 16:44 paul I mean many things can't be automated because they require you to know exactly how to do them. 16:43 paul no. 16:43 thd paul: do you mean it requires authentication for the server? 16:42 paul not all i'm afraid, because zebra is like unix : it's friendly, but very picky with who it's friends are... 16:42 thd or set of scripts 16:41 thd paul: could the issues for maintainance not be automated in a script? 16:41 paul most of my customers don't have a computer geek near them & the server is always up. 16:41 paul for example, backups are easy to do & well known. 16:40 paul once installed & integrated in the local network, there's nothing to do. 16:40 paul yes & no. 16:40 thd paul: are any small libraries maintaining their own installation of Koha now? 16:38 dewey slef: huh? 16:38 slef dewey: mute 16:38 dewey thd: I forgot it 16:38 thd dewey: forget it 16:38 dewey slef: huh? 16:38 slef dewey: silence 16:38 dewey slef: i'm not following you... 16:38 slef dewey: shut up 16:38 dewey it has been said that thd is just dying to tell you but I fear that if I reveal all I will lose the ability to obtain funding for a business myself. or skeptical about that as I would have seen only changes in the DOM that provide enhanced methods of access to the document historically. 16:38 paul thd ??? 16:38 thd paul: yes but what small libraries are actually running Koha on their own even with just SQL in version 2 already? 16:38 paul ) 16:38 paul (exporting datas from SQL to iso2709 & indexing in zebra 16:37 paul reindexing requires around 1 hour 16:37 slef now I've aimed dinner for the wrong time :-/ 16:37 slef only just saw that message 16:37 slef dagnabbit, meeting was postponed by an hour 16:37 paul waylon: mmm... for example, for a 200 000 biblios database (like SAN-OP), 16:37 thd waylon: actually Zebra is perhaps more flexible for the effort required but alien to the common SQL knowledge people already have. 16:37 paul for a small library without, it's impossible 16:36 paul for a library with a full time computer scientist, it's possible. 16:36 waylon how long does an indexing take? 16:36 paul quite a complex things. 16:36 paul reindexing everything 16:36 paul THEN 16:36 paul going to zebra config file & update them (which is a pain) 16:36 paul THEN 16:36 paul so, if the library decides that (in UNIMARC) 502 field is now usefull, they have to activate it in Koha, THE? 16:35 waylon less flexiblity... right. 16:35 paul 3- it's really hard to change anything in the index structure (and unavailable to a librarian I bet) 16:35 paul 2- it sometimes crashes & requires full "reindexing" 16:34 thd s/there/their/ 16:34 paul 1- impossible to dump a zebradatabase 16:34 paul thd : 16:34 thd paul; what about maintaining zebra is complex for the user after installation, and what users are maintaining there own? 16:34 paul zebra does only this, but as fast as lightning 16:34 waylon ah.. this is instead of the MARC style indexing... 16:34 paul "hey, retrieve biblios with title=XXX ..., pls" 16:33 paul then, when someone search in the catalogue, koha ask zebra : 16:33 paul we send a message to zebra saying "hey, zebra, please index this XML for me" 16:33 paul but : 16:33 paul waylon: when a biblio or an authority is added, we store the "raw" record (XML) in SQL. we (almost) don't have any index on it 16:32 paul because it is hard to setup & maintain (from a user point of view) 16:32 waylon what exactly does Zebra do? 16:31 thd paul: why would anyone not want the advantages of Zebra? 16:31 paul - zebraop function : zebraop stores something to tell zebra that the biblio has to be reindexed. we could check for a systempref, and, if zebra=off, we could use a reverted index to store things in SQL. I already wrote something about this when we started investigating tools for koha 3.0 16:30 paul because there are many many new features in 3,0 that would be a pain to backport to 2.2 16:30 thd paul: but what my original question meant is that why would you not continue with 2.X if you wanted to maintain SQL? 16:29 paul 2 in fact : 16:29 paul the idea would be to have only 1 version. Only a few things would have to be modified. 16:29 thd paul: actually, yes, my point of view without any customers to support is that maintaining multiple versions is too much work for the developers 16:27 paul you want to know how much work it requires to develop it ? 16:27 thd paul: I understood that much but ... 16:27 paul (up to something like 30 000 biblios) 16:27 paul it would be interesting for "small" libraries 16:27 paul thd : a sql version of koha 3.0 would mean a version that don't need zebra. 16:25 paul i'm ready ;-) 16:25 paul baby sleeping, wife reading book to the 2nd boy, 1st reading alone. 16:24 paul hello world 16:16 bureado Hey 16:15 slef hi all 16:00 thd kados: what would an SQL version of release 3 actually mean? 15:55 kados mail sent to koha-devel too 15:55 kados hdl: great, read you then 15:55 hdl kados : I can be back in an hour if every one agrees. 15:54 toins hi all 15:54 toins hello 15:54 hdl hi kados. 15:54 hdl hi toins 15:53 waylon -nods- push it back then. hey, we need chris. 15:52 kados chris can't make it either, he's got a conflicting tech meeting 15:41 waylon thats fine.. if it is for the rest... 15:41 kados we maybe need to push it back an hour 15:41 kados and I think paul said he needed more time 15:40 waylon 20 minutes till meeting, ya? 15:40 kados hi all 15:34 waylon heya all. 15:29 bureado In Koha 2.2.7, when you Add a biblio, why is it so slow to load the MARC tags form? Does it load information about ALL tags? I assume that, from the User's Guide. Is there a way to avoid that? How do you improve the performance in the Add Biblio form. 14:36 paul ok, time to leave for dinner. read you back in 2 yours for the irc meeting. 13:21 cm i won't be getting to NZ anytime soon, but at least I'm going to Las Vegas next month. :) 13:17 cm bureado: yeah, koha can be humbling like that. ;) 13:16 paul works with katipo ? 13:16 paul what do kados in NZ ? 13:16 cm technically, it should be "you're welcome" 13:16 bureado Don't feel silly. I've been fighting with the Intranet for 30 minutes trying to add a MARC framework until I found that the "OK" button in the spanish translation isn't type="submit" :( 13:15 paul should I write "you're welcomed", our "your welcome" ??? 13:15 cm yep, thank you. :) 13:15 paul your welcome. 13:15 paul cm ++ 13:15 cm sorry to bug you all! 13:15 cm ran it with -today and it worked. 13:14 cm okay, now i feel silly...I forgot to add the option on the end. 13:14 cm i was just wondering why this fetchrow error would crop up. 13:13 rch cm: you ran it with -all ? 13:13 cm I know, on both counts. :D 13:13 paul zebra errors are more weird ;-) 13:13 paul Can't call method "fetchrow" is related to mySQL, NOT zebra 13:12 cm yeah. but zebra has the password stored in all those kohalis files. that's why I ran it. 13:11 paul you would have something like "connection refused, for XXXX@kohaadmin on <mysql_db_name>" 13:11 bureado I think there might be an empty table somewhere. 13:11 bureado I haven't used update_items, but I don't think it's related with the authentication. 13:11 paul mmm... if it's your 1st error message, then no, it's not related to the kohaadmin password change 13:10 cm so I don't know if it's related to that or not. 13:10 cm i had just changed my kohaadmin password and was running this from the command line to test it, 13:09 cm Can't call method "fetchrow" on an undefined value at /usr/local/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/misc/update_items.pl line 93. 13:09 cm fetching marc and items data, updating 13:09 cm finding biblionumbers 13:09 cm no recent items to update 13:09 cm counting first 13:08 cm i just ran update_items.pl, and got this error: 13:07 cm maybe one of you can answer my question. 13:07 cm hi guys. :) 12:57 rch hey paul 12:57 rch kados is in NZ... it's still a bit early there 12:57 paul hi cm & rch 12:57 rch hi cm 12:38 cm do you have a minute? 12:38 cm hi kados