Time Nick Message 12:10 slef Did Landis take them or was he given them, though? 12:13 shedges hi owen -- saw Lauren yesterday 12:15 owen Did she pepper you with questions? Where you left the stapler, etc? 12:19 shedges more like 'where are the T1 lines' 12:33 kados hehe 12:50 shedges she needs to get started on the OPLIN survey (oplin.org/survey) 13:03 cm is someone doing something to the wiki? I can't get in. 13:21 cm never mind. I see that it's back. :) 13:21 kados cm: try now 13:21 cm I beat you to it! :D 13:21 cm thanks! 13:22 kados cm: how's the install coming? 13:23 cm ugh. I'm trying it again today. Figured I should wait a little while to let the dust settle on dev_week. 13:23 kados well .. it's not going to :-) 13:23 kados but you can just update cvs to keep up 13:23 cm figured as much, but I'll give it a shot anyway. 13:24 cm last time I tried it was completely dysfunctional, so I'm starting over from scratch. 13:24 kados probably a good idea 13:24 kados :-) 13:24 kados let me know if I can help 13:26 cm I will, thanks. 14:40 thd kados: I have a question 14:41 kados thd: sure 17:23 thd kados: the message I just sent to you exceeds the autocat list size quota by over a factor of 4 18:21 thd russ: how do I get to the the proper /en/ section of the current wiki? 18:22 russ hi thd 18:22 russ two secs 18:23 thd hello russ 18:25 russ ah the page isnt in the right place 18:25 russ 2 minutes 18:28 russ thd: it appears that i never made the en page, an oversight on my part 18:28 russ just getting my password resent from the wiki 18:28 russ and then i'll move the newwikihome there 18:28 thd russ: I thought I posted to the /en/ page during devel week 18:29 thd or that you had migrated the old content to a new improved /en/ 18:29 russ there is a http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=newwikihome 18:29 russ no i had made this page 18:30 russ the intent was to make this the new en page 18:30 russ one of the many tasks left not done 18:31 thd russ: we need Ineo to see the light and hire pierrick back to work on Koha 18:31 russ lol 18:32 russ i have been slowly going through every page on the wiki trying to sort if it current or not 18:32 thd russ: I have some new content that I want to post 18:32 thd russ: where should I post it 18:33 russ what is it? 18:33 thd russ: subject searching development design for the OPAC 18:34 kados :-) 18:34 russ thd: under here i guess 18:34 russ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development 18:34 kados how about en:thd :-) 18:34 thd kados: well I could start now 18:35 kados thd: that'd be really great, seriosuly 18:35 thd kados: especially as I cannot post that much text on autocat 18:35 kados thd: exactly 18:36 thd kados: furthermore it was intended for the wiki with some wiki markup 18:36 kados cool 18:36 thd kados: really unreadable as text :) 18:36 chris karen schneider is a clown 18:36 chris http://www.techsource.ala.org/blog/2006/07/its-too-darn-hot-a-curmudgeons-asides.html 18:36 chris since when is perl a software program 18:37 chris arsehat 18:37 chris thats my rant for the day :) 18:39 kados yea, she's mental 18:43 thd she maintains http://lii.org/ 18:43 chris yep 18:44 chris which i could do with 7 lines of perl 18:44 chris :) 18:44 chris she seems to have a serious amount of time on her hands for writing blog posts and emailing lists 18:58 kados chris: http://www.techsource.ala.org/blog/2006/07/its-too-darn-hot-a-curmudgeons-asides.html#postcomments 18:59 kados chris: I posted a response 18:59 kados chris: I'd urge you to do the same 18:59 kados in fact, I'd urge the whole channel to 18:59 kados too even 18:59 kados russ: you around? 18:59 mason kados, i just commited a newer version of labels-print-pdf.pl to koha.2.2 18:59 kados mason: k ... I'll check it out 18:59 mason i think this coud be the one 18:59 kados woot 19:00 mason largely coz its using someone elses word-wrap module :) 19:00 kados do I need to install a new module? 19:01 mason yes :( install Text::Wrap 19:02 chris will do 19:02 kados I wonder if we can get stephen to respond too 19:03 mason chris/bob suggested that some on the big gaps in the text display may be caused by nl/cr 's in the text? ... 19:04 mason so its doing a regex to strip those out before formatting 19:04 kados cool 19:04 kados looks good 19:04 kados I'm gonna ask the client to accept it 19:04 kados thanks mason 19:05 mason kados: are the text big gaps gone from the agfrognak koha? 19:05 kados it looks like it 19:06 kados afognak, not afrognak :-) 19:06 kados but that's really funny 19:06 mason bah, ive been trying to remember their name :) 19:06 kados :-) 19:07 kados mason: can you also commit the table changes to updatedatabase 19:07 mason yes, afognak sounds soooo much more sensible 19:07 kados mason: and any new modules 19:07 kados hehe 19:08 kados chris: http://www.techsource.ala.org/blog/2006/04/how-opacs-suck-part-2-the-checklist-of-shame.html 19:08 mason yes, will do that, i might ask chris for a hand, ive found it a bit tricky to work out 19:08 kados chris: that's the list she means 19:08 kados chris: I think we can do most everything on it 19:08 kados chris: we just need to improve the way things look 19:08 kados thd: we need to decide on the faceted subject browse feature 19:09 kados thd: did you post your doc yet? 19:09 thd kados: I am posting now 19:09 thd kados: did you try to read the email 19:09 thd ? 19:12 kados soliciting a email 19:15 thd kados: my document needs some global changes to be ready for the wiki 19:15 thd kados: it is currently much more readable in the email :) 19:16 kados thd: :-) 19:16 kados thd: let me know when the format is readable :-) 19:17 thd kados: how should I make the wiki equivalent of <br /> ? 19:18 kados just put some line breaks in 19:18 thd kados: do you mean * ? 19:19 kados thd: no 19:19 kados thd: just hit enter to create a line break ... that should work 19:19 kados thd: where's the link, I'll help 19:20 thd kados: my newlines are mushed into one line 19:21 thd kados: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:development:subject_heading_element_access 19:23 kados thd: you need to save it 19:23 kados thd: I can't view it until you do 19:24 thd kados: I thought you had special powers :) 19:24 kados hehe 19:26 thd kados: it is saved and does not even show the beginning of the document 19:36 thd kados: I must have some code which is confusing the wiki 19:36 kados looks like it 19:36 thd kados: can I isolate sections of the text by degrees? 19:37 thd kados: maybe I will empty the document add a paragraph at a time til I find a problem 19:40 kados thd: does the NCSU catalog use FAST? 19:41 thd kados: do you have a link to a record which looks like it is using FAST? 19:41 kados thd: http://www2.lib.ncsu.edu/catalog/?view=full&Ntt=tom+sawyer&Ntk=Keyword&sort=0&N=4294503792 19:42 kados thd: not a record, but the faceted results on the left-hand side 19:47 thd kados: no their system just has the same problem with subject display for the result set as Koha had in the record detail view at until recently. 19:48 thd kados: 650 #0 $a Boys $z Missouri $v Fiction. is shown as Boys in the result set list 19:48 thd kados: maybe the other subfields appear elsewhere in the list 19:48 kados yea, it looked that way to me 19:50 thd kados: did you read my criticism of how FAST lacks precision 19:53 kados yep 19:53 kados you're right 19:53 kados but I think for a opac side-bar, it may do the trick 19:54 kados at least for dev_week :-) 19:54 thd kados: :( 19:55 thd kados: you have to have a conversion application and the FAST authority files to convert LCSH to FAST before you could use it 19:55 kados I don't think a hugely complex subject tree is going to be useful as a discovery or a limiting feature for a search performed 19:55 kados though I do think it would be useful as a subject browse feature 19:55 kados but that should be a separate interface I think 19:55 kados thd: yea ... 19:56 kados thd: I think I'm going to revert to my original design of just showing the $a 19:56 thd kados: most of what I show in the email is browsing 19:56 kados it's nice and simple and the user won't be confused by the hierarchical list 19:57 thd kados: that is not a subject heading and in a real system with many records you could have a result set of 10,000s from following an $a link 19:58 thd with the current searching design for subjects in Koha 19:59 thd kados: actually you could have hundreds in a real system with some problems which I can show you if I get this into a viewable state 20:03 thd kados: and I mean hundreds with a search using 3 subject subfield terms which might otherwise give you the magic 30 results that everyone wants 20:16 thd kados: I suspect you are concerned about screen real estate 20:16 thd kados: a good feature needs room so put at the bottom and link to from the top of the page 20:17 thd kados: or make it a wicked pop-up 20:36 thd I will struggle more again later 20:36 thd s/new/knew/ 21:23 chris kados/russ 21:23 chris http://freerangelibrarian.com/2006/07/an_outofbody_experience_with_a.php 21:26 chris cya later 02:11 osmoze hello 02:12 btoumi hi all 02:12 osmoze salut btoumi ! 02:12 btoumi salut osmoze 02:12 btoumi comment va? 02:18 osmoze trop bien, il fait pas chaud et je pars en week end ce soir, que du bonheur :) 02:18 osmoze et toi ? 02:22 btoumi il fait pas chaud et je part en vacance ce soir super kool 02:24 btoumi osmoze: :=) 02:25 osmoze :( tu restes en france ? 02:25 btoumi oui 02:26 btoumi j'irai faire un tour en montagne une semaine surement 02:26 paul hello tout le monde 02:27 btoumi hi paul comment ca va? t 02:27 paul bien merci. Ma petite famille est de retour, ca fait du mouvement dans la maison 02:27 btoumi lol 02:27 paul ce matin, petit dej sur la terrasse. 02:28 btoumi y'en a qui aime faire raller ;=) 02:28 btoumi paul : comment on fait pour beuzzer quelqu'un? 02:28 paul beuzzer ? 02:28 paul tu veux appeler kados par exemple ? 02:29 btoumi ou bipper 02:29 btoumi non chris 02:29 paul tu répètes plusieurs fois une phrase avec le nick de celui que tu veux appeller. 02:29 btoumi ah ok 02:29 osmoze coucou paul :) 02:29 paul la plupart des softs d'irc font qqc de spécial qd ils voient ton nom 02:30 paul du coup, si tu répètes 5 fois la même phrase, ca va faire 5 bips particuliers en son, ou afficher 5 fenêtres d'alerte 02:31 btoumi qu'as tu fai osmoze g un drole de message 02:31 osmoze rien, j ai juste regarder la version du soft que tu utilises 02:31 btoumi ah ok 02:33 btoumi paul: chris est ce que chris est en vacance? 02:34 paul je ne sais pas, mais je ne pense pas : c'est l'hiver chez eux, donc pas la saison des vacances !!! 02:34 btoumi lol j'ai presque faillit oublier ;=) 02:39 btoumi hi toins__ 02:40 paul toins__ ? non, il n'est pas là à priori. ou alors il est devenu invisible... 02:41 btoumi ct juste pour lui dire que je participe au nettoyage de printemps de koha (meme si on est en ete);=) 02:43 paul tu nettoies quoi ? 02:45 btoumi je travaille sur les fines 02:47 btoumi et je met les requetes sql en forme en relation avec les regles de codages 02:47 btoumi c pas grand chose mais ca evite de repasser dessus 02:49 btoumi ;=) 02:55 toins btoumi: je suis la maintenant ! 02:55 btoumi rien d'important antoine lit ce que g marquer avant ;=) 02:57 toins oui j'ai vu... 04:36 paul hello chris 04:36 chris just got back from a friends art exhibition opening 04:36 chris hi paul, hows the adsl going? 04:36 paul fine now. 04:36 paul everything back to normal situation ! 04:36 chris :) 04:37 chris i saw france telecom was on slashdot the other day 04:38 chris http://www.presence-pc.com/actualite/ftth-experience-18331/ 04:38 chris pierrick might be able get some very fast internet :) 04:39 paul :-) 08:22 paul hey... hpassini on the channel 08:23 paul it's a great day !!! 08:25 btoumi yes it's a great day for her too 08:25 btoumi ;=) 08:25 paul it's birthday maybe ? 08:25 paul (or it's a bot & hpassini is not really here...) 08:26 paul hpassini: tell me who is the winner of the tour de france this year ? 08:26 btoumi it's not really here all the time :=) 08:27 hpassini c un americain 08:27 paul yes, it's not a bot, it's the true hpassini ! 08:27 paul (a bot would have answered in english ;-) ) 08:28 owen Is it a trick question? Who knows who really won! 08:28 btoumi i confirm she's really here 08:28 paul owen: the doctor who sells the medicines ;-) 08:28 btoumi lol 08:29 hpassini paul j des soucis avec build_authorities et je risque de t'appeler la semaine prochaine !!! 08:30 paul je serai là, pas de prob 08:53 thd kados: are you there? 09:01 btoumi bye all my hollidays wait me 09:01 paul bye btoumi 09:01 paul & bonnes vacances 09:01 btoumi merci paul 09:02 btoumi et a bientot 09:05 osmoze bonne vacances ;) 09:06 btoumi merci osmoze 09:07 btoumi :paul j'essayreia d'etre la pour le meeting lundi prochain 09:19 kados paul: you around? 09:19 kados paul: I found a very strange bug in rel_2_2 09:21 kados thd: yes, I'm here 09:22 hdl hi kados 09:22 hdl hi thd 09:22 hdl bonne vacances btoumi 09:22 btoumi merci hdl: 09:23 thd kados: may we have darker green or another dark colour for internal links on the wiki? 09:23 thd hello all 09:23 btoumi hello thd 09:23 kados thd: I wouldn't know where to start with that 09:23 kados thd: and don't have time to investigate today :( 09:24 thd kados: I guess I can make them all bold but contrast is low with a white background 09:25 thd kados: what type of bug did you find other than strange? 09:37 hdl toins around ??? 09:37 toins yep 11:11 osmoze bye all