Time Nick Message 15:45 russ morning all 15:45 chris morning 15:51 czokie chris - updatedatabase in 2.3 does not create all required preferences fields..... 15:52 czokie for new installs - would probably work for a 2.2 -> 2.3 upgrade ... but not for a fresh install 15:53 czokie also - am having problems creating borrowers or bib entries in 2.3 .... Not sure of the problem yet - will look over the next few days. 15:53 chris hmm interesting, because its the same script that runs in 2.2 15:53 czokie I had a look at the values in the script. 15:53 czokie There is a lot of parameters table data missing from 2.3 version 15:54 czokie To fix, I extracted 2.2 script, ran it, and then re-ran 2.3 script. 15:54 chris weird, i guess something went wrong in the merge from 2.2 15:54 czokie That may be what broke other things .... 15:55 chris if you could right it up in an email that would be great 15:55 chris i wont be working on it this week, but joshua and others might be 15:55 czokie I am thinking of doing a 2.2 db install, updatedatabase 2.2, updatedatabase 2.3 to see if it gets me going, but that can wait for a bit ...(Work work work) 15:56 chris right 15:56 chris i dont think that will work either :) 15:57 chris in fact i would have been hugely suprised if you got 2.3 to go... but knowing the things that broke .. will help us make a 2.3.1 that might actually be installable :-) 02:21 ToinS hi all 02:21 btoumi hi all!!!! 02:22 btoumi chris: are u around 02:31 ToinS salut bruno 02:32 btoumi salut toins ca va? 02:32 ToinS yep 02:32 ToinS ca va 02:32 ToinS et toi ? 02:33 btoumi ca va bien apre sun long week end 02:34 btoumi t'aurais pas vu passer chris ? :=) 02:58 paul hello world 03:11 btoumi HI PAUL 03:11 paul hello bruno 03:12 btoumi lol kool 03:12 paul (but still get no results, even i I should have 7) 03:12 paul (I mean querying with yaz-client give me 7 results, querying through Koha gives me 0 03:13 paul ) 03:13 btoumi u search with koha interface? 03:13 paul yep. 03:13 btoumi not on head 03:13 paul nope, on dev_week 03:13 paul it's this one : 03:13 paul http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ 03:13 dewey http://zoomopac.liblime.com/ is working now wher do i look 03:13 btoumi ok 03:14 paul (still no internet at my office, still working on my laptop, at ToinS home...) 03:14 btoumi and zebra works with unimarc? 03:14 paul it will work soon : just 1 file to modify ;-) 03:14 paul to 'map' bib1 attset to unimarc fields. 03:15 btoumi ok 03:15 paul the record.abs file says for marc21 : 03:15 paul melm 100 author 03:15 paul I will change this to melm 200 author 03:15 btoumi i follow ur discussion with joshua about that 03:15 paul 120 lines to modify 03:15 btoumi ok 03:16 btoumi me zebra works but only on konsole not in koha interface 03:16 paul did you tried dev_week ? 03:17 btoumi now because i work on fines now 03:17 btoumi there is a lot of works 03:18 btoumi when i will finish i work on zebra 03:18 btoumi i try the url that u give me 03:18 paul don't forget my holidays will be august 7 => 23 03:18 btoumi like me 03:19 btoumi i begin the 28 july => 21 august 03:20 btoumi now i wait for chris i hope i see him this morning for my works on fine 03:21 paul did you "beep" him ? 03:21 btoumi no 03:22 paul I did it for you then ;-) 03:22 btoumi thank u 03:22 btoumi :=) 03:29 btoumi paul : do u work with ur pull over ;=) 03:29 paul yes, of course 03:29 paul quite cold in Marseille today. Some snow expected in the next hours 03:29 btoumi lol 03:30 btoumi i just see ice in my glass 03:31 btoumi i think that chris is not here 03:32 btoumi for the moment 04:11 btoumi paul: are u around ? 04:11 paul yep 04:11 btoumi just one question 04:12 btoumi do u now the different possible value for itemlost ? 04:12 paul they can be defined in an authorised_value list. So there is no limit 04:13 btoumi because in fines2.pl 04:14 btoumi u have test on this value and test is like this if itemlost=2 && itemlost=1 04:14 btoumi itemlost ne 2 and itemlost ne 1 04:15 paul my bet is that =0 => item not lost. >=0 => item lost 04:17 btoumi i think like that but i don 't now why u have 2 value ,u must test only >0 not 1 or 2 04:17 btoumi t y for u answer 04:25 chris hi all 04:25 chris sorry bruno i was playing volleyball 04:25 chris paul is right 04:25 chris 1 and 2 are lost 04:25 paul hello chris. 04:25 chris 1 = lost, marked lost by the librarian 04:25 chris 2 = lost, marked lost by koha 04:25 btoumi ok thanks 04:25 paul do you have 5mn to speak of zebra things, or do you need a shower asap ? 04:25 btoumi hi chris do u win? 04:26 chris at HLT and a few other libraries, after a certain time that a book is overdue, perhaps 4 weeks or 6 weeks 04:26 chris then koha marks it lost=2 04:26 chris bruno: no .. it was 2 - 2 04:26 chris a draw 04:27 btoumi lol 04:27 paul chris : do you have 5mn to speak of zebra things, or do you need a shower asap ? 04:28 paul I'm not sure to understand well the record.abs file syntax. 04:28 paul and the indexdata doc is unclear to me 04:28 chris ive had a shower 04:28 btoumi i take a ticket to speak about fines chris: just after paul ;=) 04:29 chris i can try, im not sure i fully understand it either ... yeah i find their documentation quite hard to read 04:29 paul what means : 04:29 paul melm 200$f author,author:p,author:s 04:29 paul author, author:p, author:s ? 04:29 chris ahh i knew this 04:30 paul I also see the !:w 04:30 paul and !:p 04:30 chris they are different types of indexes 04:30 chris !:p is the same as author:p 04:30 chris so you could go 04:31 chris author,!:p,!:s 04:31 chris and that would be the same as above 04:31 paul and what's the difference between nothing, :p :s and !:w ? 04:31 chris im trying to remember :) 04:31 paul s/!:w/:w/ 04:32 chris ahh tumer will know 04:35 btoumi chris: can i show with u for fines? 04:36 chris ah ha :w = word 04:37 chris :w = word 04:38 paul2 and :p, :s, nothing ? (if you wrote something, I missed it) 04:38 chris The attributes can be qualified with field types to specify which character set should govern the indexing procedure for that field. The same data element may be indexed into several different fields, using different character set definitions. See the the section called “Field Structure and Character Sets â€?. The default field type is w for word . 04:38 chris somewhere it must tell us what p and s are .. ill try and find it 04:39 chris f a Structure attribute of Phrase is used in conjunction with a Completeness attribute of Complete (Sub)field , the term is matched against the contents of the phrase (long word) register, if one exists for the given Use attribute. A phrase register is created for those fields in the .abs file that contains a p-specifier. 04:40 chris p = phrase 04:40 paul2 exactly the kind of paragraph I don't understand ;-) 04:40 chris n = numeric 04:41 tumer hi chris you wanted something? 04:41 chris w = word, p = phrase, n=numeric, u=url 04:41 paul2 hello tumer. it's me that asked a question about record.abs* 04:41 chris i dont know what :s is 04:41 paul2 and nothing means :w isn't it? 04:42 chris yes i think nothing is :w by default 04:42 paul2 so title, title:p, title:s means : index this field as title, as word AND as phrase and as <s> ? 04:42 chris tumer trying to explain 04:42 chris melm 200$f author,author:p,author:s 04:42 chris to paul 04:42 btoumi chris:can u beep me when u are not busy to discuss about fines 04:43 chris will do bruno 04:43 btoumi ty chris 04:43 chris i think maybe :s allows you to sort by that field 04:44 chris yep, im pretty sure thats what it is 04:45 chris ok bruno, lets talk about fines 04:48 tumer can anybody see me there i have aprolem with connection i think 04:48 tumer s/aprolem/ a problem 04:49 paul yep 04:49 chris i can see you tumer 04:49 paul tumer: you're here, but have been disconnected 04:49 paul & reconnected 3 seconds later 04:49 tumer thanks paul 04:51 tumer paul you ok with zebra indexing? 04:51 paul not sure, but i'll try to investigate, chris gave me some hints. 04:51 paul I have another question tumer 04:51 tumer shoot 04:51 paul when I search on yaz-client : "find delmas" I get 7 answers, as expected 04:52 paul but when I search on zoomopac-search, I get 0 answers 04:52 paul any idea why ? 04:52 tumer hmm no 04:52 paul I also tried a search by author : 04:52 paul [Mon Jul 17 10:18:28 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Boolean Operators: at /home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/opac/opac-zoomsearch.pl line 534., referer: http://o19.portable.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-zoomsearch.pl 04:52 paul [Mon Jul 17 10:18:28 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Sort by: at /home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/opac/opac-zoomsearch.pl line 536., referer: http://o19.portable.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-zoomsearch.pl 04:52 paul [Mon Jul 17 10:18:28 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PQF: @attr 1=1003 @attr 4=1 @attr 5=1 "delmas" at /home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/opac/opac-zoomsearch.pl line 537., referer: http://o19.portable.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-zoomsearch.pl 04:52 paul [Mon Jul 17 10:18:28 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Full PQF: @attr 1=1003 @attr 4=1 @attr 5=1 "delmas" at /home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/opac/opac-zoomsearch.pl line 538., referer: http://o19.portable.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-zoomsearch.pl 04:52 paul [Mon Jul 17 10:18:28 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] NICE: delmas at /home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/opac/opac-zoomsearch.pl line 539., referer: http://o19.portable.paulpoulain.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-zoomsearch.pl 04:53 paul and got no answer either. 04:53 paul what is very strange too is that 04:53 paul find @attr 1=1003 @attr 4=1 @attr 5=1 "delmas" 04:53 paul in yaz-client works well too 04:53 tumer remind me 4=1 is phrase? 04:55 tumer well i do not use opac-zoomsearch.pl so i do not know abou whether its buggy 04:56 ToinS there is often a #' just before a declaration of sub. Anyone knows what does it mean ? 04:56 paul what do you use ? 04:56 tumer in yaz client if it works then its correct 04:57 tumer also write "help find" in yaz client and it gives you what attributes 4=1 is 04:57 tumer if you are doing a search on phrase you should index as phrase :p 04:57 tumer (:p) 05:00 tumer paul: is use opac-search.pl in dev_week 05:01 tumer or catalogue-home.pl in intranet 05:02 paul no answer with opac(search either :( 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 [session] Connect from tcp:127.0.0.1 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [session] Starting session 14 from tcp:127.0.0.1 (pid=6504) 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log] User perm for perm.anonymous: r 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [request] Auth none 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [request] Init OK - ID:81/81 Name:ZOOM-C/YAZ Version:1.78/2.1.22 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log] ResultSet '1' 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log][app2] zebra_register_open rw = 0 useshadow=0 p=0x8197478,n=,rp=(none) 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log] profilePath=.:/usr/local/share/idzebra/tab/:/home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/zebraplugin/zebradb/biblios/tab/:./tab/ cwd=/home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/zebraplugin/zebradb/biblios 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log] 0 keys, 0 sysnos, rank 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log] term="delmas" nn=0 type=void count=0 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log] user/system: 0/0 05:02 paul 12:02:24-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [request] Search OK 0 1 1+0 RPN: @attrset Bib-1 delmas 05:02 paul 12:02:25-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [session] Connection closed by client 05:02 paul 12:02:25-17/07 zebrasrv(14) [log][app2] zebra_register_close p=0x8197478 05:02 paul mmm... I suspect a database name problem 05:03 chris good suspicion paul 05:04 paul alleluia !!! 05:04 paul works fine !! 05:04 chris :) 05:05 paul the zebra DB name was biblio and default in my koha.xml 05:05 paul (I had 2, and removed one, but made a mistake) 05:06 paul and UTF-8 works fine too... 05:11 tumer so you can search accented characters and no problem occurs? 05:12 paul but what I say with utf-8 is that my database have moved from 8859-1 to utf-8 05:12 paul nothing related to zebra. 05:12 tumer well search even it does not exist 05:13 tumer the problem ocuring is this: 05:14 tumer the search term after the search displayed on screen as broken utf8 05:16 chris ahh 05:16 chris so it searches ok, but displays what you typed in wrong? 05:17 tumer yes chris it reencodes the term and anything accented on your template gets broken 05:17 chris ahh right 05:18 tumer i had to re-write my USMARC.pm to correct this 05:19 tumer but i want to know whether anyone else is getting it 05:21 chris ill try to get it up and running here and test it 05:28 paul_lunch good night chris 07:08 paul kados around ? 07:08 paul if yes, a good news : I've made my 1st search successfully on opaczoom-search.pl !!! 07:15 paul tumer[A]: i've a problem with accented chars too : when I search for "probabilité", I should get many answers, but I just get : 07:15 paul Results for Search: biblio.title contains probabilit? 07:15 paul No results found. 07:34 tumer paul the accented character problem is due to new M:F:X 07:34 tumer i sent on devel a new USMARC.pm which corrects this 07:35 tumer the second is your .chr file in tab does not define your accented characters 07:36 tumer you have to define your whole alphabet in sort-string-utf.chr file 07:37 tumer i committed one with some accented characters in but i think kados overwritten that 07:39 tumer ping me if you need help with .chr file 07:50 paul tumer: i'm back 07:50 tumer hi again paul 07:51 paul my sort-string-utf is 1.1.2.1, which is from kados it seems. 07:51 paul it's only 47 lines long 07:51 paul #map éÉ e 07:51 paul the # means it's commented, right ? 07:51 tumer yes 07:52 paul so uncommenting it should be the solution ? 07:52 tumer also the alphabet should contain these charavters 07:52 paul ??? 07:52 tumer top line a-z including accented characters 07:53 paul lowercase {0-9}{a-y}üzæäøöå 07:53 paul uppercase {0-9}{A-Y}ÜZÆÄØÖÅ 07:53 paul those ones ? 07:53 tumer those one should contain é etc 07:54 tumer in their normal sorting order 07:54 tumer according to french 07:54 tumer mine has lowercase {0-9}aâbcçdefgÄŸhıiîjklmnoöpqrsÅŸtuüvwxyz 07:56 tumer also if you need to find probabilité when you search probabilite .. 07:56 tumer you should add "equivalent eé" 07:58 tumer paul:do you follow? 07:58 paul yep, many thanks 07:58 paul what is a shame is not to be able to have the name of this file as parameter. 07:58 paul (same for record.abs) 07:59 paul because i'll have to commit "sort-string-utf_for_french.chr" 07:59 paul and during install, we will have to remane it 07:59 tumer you can change the name of this file but its still valif for all 07:59 tumer s/valif/valid 08:00 tumer not ebing able to rename record.abs is already causing problems with me 08:00 tumer i am investigating other indexing filters in zebra currently 08:02 tumer we should probably have a more global with most european accents in 08:03 tumer but whatever we do KOHA will still need language adjustments at installation 08:03 paul tumer : 08:03 paul map (^The\s) @ 08:04 tumer that is a stop word 08:04 paul means "the" at beginning of a string must be eliminated for ordering isn't it ? 08:04 tumer correct 08:04 tumer all stop word has to go in here 08:04 tumer another localisation to be done 08:08 tumer "sort-string-utf_for_french.chr" 08:10 tumer paul:to make zebra read from "sort-string-utf_for_french.chr" go into defaul.idx 08:10 tumer you will see that its related in there 08:10 tumer "sort-string-utf_for_french.chr" 08:10 tumer "sort-string-utf_for_french.chr" 08:11 tumer changing "sort-string-utf.chr" to "sort-string-utf_for_french.chr" will also work 08:13 tumer so you may have french.idx which you rename to default.idx at installation or rename sort-...chr 08:25 paul tumer ? 08:25 dewey somebody said tumer was here for a few seconds ;-) 08:25 paul it seems not to work atm. 08:25 paul 2 syntax questions : 08:25 tumer say again paul 08:25 paul is 08:25 paul equivalent eé 08:25 paul correct ? 08:25 tumer yes 08:25 paul map éèêë e 08:26 paul map ËÊ e 08:26 paul ? 08:26 tumer i use equivalent map only for stop words 08:27 paul so equivalent eé should be enough ? 08:28 tumer use equivalent for lowercase and uppercase separately 08:28 paul so : 08:28 paul map éèêë e 08:28 paul map ËÊ E 08:28 paul ? 08:29 tumer equivalent eé equivalent EE(accented) (i dont have it on keyboard) 08:30 tumer you need reindexing after changing this file 08:30 paul yep, I knew for reindexing 08:30 tumer mapping also supposed to work 08:31 tumer i could not get it to work for character mapping but for stop words 08:31 paul you mean you can't search on accented char ? 08:32 tumer i mean i can search on accented characters by using equivalent and not Map 08:33 paul strange syntax : 08:33 paul equivalent å(aa) 08:33 paul but equivalent eé 08:33 paul ? 08:33 paul are u sure it's not equivalent ée ? 08:33 tumer they are the same eé or ée 08:35 paul wow ... 08:35 paul [paul@portable zebraplugin]$ zebraidx -g iso2709 -d biblios -c /home/paul/koha.dev/dev_week/zebraplugin/etc/zebra-biblios.cfg update export/ 08:35 paul 15:35:31-17/07 zebraidx(7552) [log] update grs.marcxml.record export/test.iso2709 4044 08:35 paul zebraidx: extract.c:1305: extract_flushRecordKeys: Assertion `ch > 0' failed. 08:35 paul Abandon 08:35 paul I didn't had this before !!! 08:36 tumer i never had it either 08:38 paul ok, zebraidx init solves it 09:08 tumer[A] power cutoff UPS running out so I am off 10:45 paul2 kados around ? 10:46 paul2 bye bye world. see you on thursday