Time Nick Message 10:39 hdl They should be available by September. 10:38 pierrick so they won't be available before 3.0 ? 10:33 hdl But will port them to 3.0 10:33 hdl I set it up on a 2.4 base. 10:33 pierrick hdl, will the improvement you make be available in 2.4 ? or in 3.0 ? 09:50 owen Hi hdl 09:50 hdl hi owen 09:29 pierrick (I'm leaving to the country, wednesday evening or thursday morninfg, don't know yet) 09:28 kados (nice) 09:28 kados (this is why we need a full-time project manager ) :-) 09:28 pierrick (so my week-end will last 4 days) 09:28 kados of course 09:28 kados hehe 09:28 pierrick I won't be there on wednesday, in France Thursday is a non working day and many companies are closed on Friday 09:28 kados (it's taken longer than I expected to catch up since the trip) 09:28 kados if not, next monday for sure 09:27 kados I'll post a note to koha-devel today 09:27 kados maybe for wednesday? 09:27 kados pierrick: and paul isnt' in today 09:27 kados pierrick: my fault, I'm afraid no kiwis will show up 09:27 kados pierrick: I didn't announce it ... 09:27 pierrick kados, meeting tonight? 09:06 tumer pierrick:sorry I have to go, continue some other time. 09:05 pierrick int is good to store a quantity or a numeric identifier, not a flag 09:04 pierrick as a coding rule, I would say : if you know the number of variations, use enum column type, not an int 09:03 pierrick if you need more than 2 variations, simply use enum type 09:02 tumer Even if you do add 3 more fields. I still need more than 2 variations for each 09:01 tumer semantics is something else. We can rename the field to say display 08:59 pierrick why making complicated while we can do simple ? 08:59 pierrick adding new fields is not forbidden at all 08:59 pierrick tumer, using "hidden" for "collapsed" is a bad thing. It becomes semanticaly wrong 08:58 tumer Yes but this gives me the ability to use collapsed for display purposes as well. If need be some fields can be collapsed at display and can still be viewed if required by user or librarian 08:57 pierrick when I query my database, I prefer doing "select * from ? where display_in_opac = 'true';" rather than "where substr(0, 1, hidden) = 1" 08:56 pierrick it's a matter of data model design 08:56 pierrick I simply maintain that it would be better to have three boolean fields "display_in_opac", "display_in_intranet", ... 08:56 tumer pierric:perl reads hidden field and we use substr(hidden,0,1) in OPAC substr(hidden,1,1) in intranet and substr(hidden,2,1) in editor 08:55 pierrick anyway, I understand perfectly what you've done, just like with Unix file rights 08:54 pierrick tumer, you show me the Perl code where you set the value for "hidden" field, can you show me the code where we use it ? 08:51 tumer its in admin/auth_subfield_structure.pm and .tmpl 08:51 pierrick tumer, where should I look in perl code ? 08:50 tumer Check new authorities. Its a drop down menu for OPAC INTRANET and EDITOR. No code it says 'SHOW' 'HIDE' or COLLAPSE' no numbers 08:49 pierrick kados, of course we will have a nice interface ! no user will understand what number to enter 08:49 btoumi kados: yes i try to find any reference but i find nothing 08:49 pierrick tumer, how do you manage the "hidden" from Perl code point of view ? 08:48 pierrick when I see a field called "hidden", it obviously means "yes" or "no", not 246 possibilities 08:48 kados btoumi: updatedatabase doesn't have any LWP code it it 08:48 tumer pierric:which readability? 08:48 kados pierrick: but if we built a nice interface to it (rather than just enter a number) it would be ok, right? 08:47 pierrick tumer, the problem is the readibility 08:47 kados this is in rel_2_2? 08:47 kados very strange 08:46 hdl While updating. 08:46 hdl No. 08:46 kados btoumi: or do you mean after updatedatabase you get that message? 08:46 btoumi yes i think so 08:45 kados btoumi: that's really strange 08:45 kados btoumi: updatedatabase shouldn't be using LWP 08:45 tumer btoumi:sorry canot help with that 08:44 kados tumer: I don't have a strong preference, so what you've done already is fine with me 08:44 btoumi when i use updatabase i have this message :=>LWP Request Failed : 400 URL must be absolute at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/XML/SAX/PurePerl/Reader/URI.pm line 51. 08:43 tumer whats up? 08:43 btoumi hi tumer 08:43 tumer hi btoumi 08:42 tumer kados:having a three digit number is the same as having 3 differnt fields in table and is easier to handle 08:42 btoumi somebody can help me ? 08:42 btoumi hi evrerybody 08:41 kados maybe we should discuss this on koha-devel 08:41 kados it might be easier to test for all possible values if we had separate columns in the table 08:41 kados I see pierrick's point of view though 08:41 tumer my internet connection or my settings keeps dropping me out 08:40 kados hmmm 08:40 tumer Simply its a 3 digit number. 1st digit for opac 2nd for intranet 3rd for editor 08:39 kados I kinda like binary encoding schemes ... 08:39 kados yea, i think I like that solution better too 08:38 tumer I read that but I still think just modifying the hidden field from tinyint(1) to tinyint(3) is more versatile as it will allow 10 variations each for OPAC_INTRANET_EDITOR. Although I implemented 3 each 08:38 kados tumer: or internet connection? 08:37 kados tumer: so what's causing the line to be dropped ... is it the power? 08:37 kados it updates every second or so 08:37 kados http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl 08:37 kados tumer: btw: there's a log here: 08:37 kados tumer: pierrick posted that 08:36 kados tumer: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2006-03/msg00092.html 08:36 kados hehe 08:36 tumer My line keeps dropping. So whats said about hidden? 08:36 kados I'm trying to remember what they were 08:35 kados but IIRC thomas had mentioned some other cases that the binary encoding scheme couldn't handle 08:35 kados yea, that sounds good 08:32 tumer :-S 08:32 pierrick http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2006-03/msg00092.html 08:32 pierrick we did :-) 08:31 tumer did we discuss anything on hidden? 08:29 pierrick http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2006-03/msg00092.html 08:28 pierrick kados & tumer, do you remember what I've suggested on koha-devel about "hidden" property ? 08:25 tumer What that means the librarian can say OPAC:show-hide-collapse INTRANET:show-hide-collapse EDITOR:show-hide-collapse but we still have one field hidden in our mysql tables 08:24 kados what are the possible values? 08:24 kados ahh 08:23 tumer Hidden is now a tinyint(3) for authorities 08:23 tumer I have changed the way hidden is defined. 08:22 kados tumer: they look good ... but I don't have a running HEAD so I haven't had a chance to try them out 08:22 kados tumer: I looked at the commits 08:22 tumer kados:did you have time to look authorities 08:19 kados great ... so that might solve our problem then 08:19 tumer bibid itself does not live any more 08:19 kados cool 08:18 tumer In dev week biblio.pm although bibid exist it merely exists as a name. Just replacing them to say biblionumber does not break the code. 08:18 kados maybe we need to schedule an IRC meeting to do some work on merging 08:18 kados and trying to figure out what's the newest working code is really tough 08:17 kados I only know a few subs in there 08:17 kados the problem I'm facing is that I'm not a Biblio.pm guy ... 08:17 kados it's a matter of rewriting around them 08:17 kados so it's not a matter of resolving them ... 08:16 hdl yes. 08:16 kados because IIRC paul removed bibid completely 08:16 hdl paul shall be there tomorrow. 08:16 kados in head 08:16 kados I'm assuming your code biblio.pm in dev-week has major conflicts with what's been done 08:16 tumer I can resolve bibids to biblionumbers easyl with old biblio 08:15 kados well ... 08:15 tumer We should suggest paul to start with a stable biblio.pm and make gradual modifications 08:14 kados yep ... 08:14 tumer but biblio.pm in head is very unstable (I tried it!) 08:13 kados regarding bibid and biblionumber 08:13 tumer Bibid vs biblionumber is easy 08:13 kados was how to handle the changes paul made to HEAD 08:13 kados one thing we didn't discuss 08:13 kados wish paul was around 08:13 kados bibid vs biblionumber 08:12 kados and also ... 08:12 kados so about Biblio.pm ... 08:12 kados cool 08:12 tumer This is the newest we do not need the old one 08:12 kados I'll tell chris 08:12 kados great 08:11 kados ahh ... so we're all set on that one then 08:11 kados (I saw some commits to context.pm on head ... it's tough to try to figure out what's new and what's old) 08:11 tumer I have already committed context.pm in head with new zebra support, all congig files in one xml etc 08:11 kados unless you've already added your zebra config stuff to head 08:10 kados which is gonna be complicated 08:10 kados nothing's wrong with it ... it's just that we need to merge dev-week and head 08:10 tumer whats wrong with context.pm 08:10 kados cool 08:10 kados tumer: I just finished up a hungarian translation which is what reminded me: http://wipoopac.liblime.com/ 08:10 tumer I know never mind 08:09 kados tumer: (btw...I never remembered to show you how to run the translation tool) 08:09 tumer No unfortunately 08:09 kados tumer: do you have HEAD running somewhere? 08:09 kados along with Context.pm 08:09 kados that's a complicated one 08:08 kados ahh ... 08:08 tumer yes I noticed and waiting your merge to modify biblio.pm 08:08 kados tumer: don't know if you noticed, chris and I started merging dev-week and HEAD 08:07 tumer keeps dropping out though 08:07 kados tumer: good to read you on IRC :-) 08:07 tumer hi 08:07 kados hi all 08:00 tumer for summary building, we can have this written to mysql table at the time of creation. This will also give us a backup system to search on when and if zebra crashes. as discussed at devel-week 07:57 hdl pierrick: But I have to dig in your proposal. 07:57 tumer pierrick: I only use the marc record for linking. Linking is repetable. you can have as many link fields as you like. In mysql this is very tedious. In zebra searching for it is very fast 07:57 hdl pierrick: having to get multiple records each time a search is done is quite long (I speak in terms of hierarchy building) 07:49 pierrick (thus you could have numeric identifiers and faster searches) 07:49 pierrick tumer, do you only use zebra to link authorities? don't you store the link in a MySQL table ? 07:38 tumer and the pass? 07:37 hdl kohaadmin 07:37 hdl You can have a look at hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com:8093 07:36 tumer good of you 07:36 hdl I shall merge it when I have something that works. 07:35 tumer The summary includes the linked authority summary as well so I think we should try and merge our work 07:33 tumer You can use any subfield. User defined. I use field 750$8 07:32 hdl Are you using $3 subfield ? 07:32 hdl How do you link ? 07:32 hdl WOW. 07:32 tumer hdl:OK. I have ported everything to Zebra. Also added support for linking authorities together. either from same group or any other authority group 07:31 hdl It would be for a customer. 07:31 hdl hehe not to break anything neither on HEAD nor on stable branch. 07:30 tumer very posh! own branch 07:30 hdl trying to get hierarchies and summaries. 07:29 tumer hdl:I have committed lots of things on head I hope we are not doing conflicting work 07:28 tumer yes and it seems you as well 07:28 hdl tumer: are you working on authorities ? 07:27 tumer hi hdl 06:45 hdl hi tumer 06:35 btoumi hi tumer 03:43 btoumi hi hdl 03:38 chris good day hdl :) 03:38 hdl good night chris. 03:31 btoumi bye 03:31 chris cya later 03:31 btoumi ok thanks 03:31 chris good luck squashing bugs 03:31 btoumi see u later!! 03:30 btoumi ok i let u go to bed and just say good night 03:30 btoumi lol 03:30 chris well, sometimes i still want creme brulee for breakfast :) 03:29 btoumi :=) 03:29 btoumi and now are u ok with 8am breakfeast and 8pm dinner 03:28 chris :) 03:28 btoumi lol 03:28 btoumi yes i remember with swizerland and go inside the earth 03:28 chris when I first got back to nz, i would wake up at 8am .. and my brain was thinking its 8pm and was wanting some dinner instead of breakfast 03:27 chris yeah its pretty much exactly opposite 03:27 btoumi it's morning here !!! lol 03:26 btoumi lol 03:26 chris just watching some tv before I go to bed 03:25 btoumi ok kool 03:25 chris sure am 03:25 btoumi and are u in nz ? 03:24 chris oohh excellent 03:24 btoumi and i'm ready to kill few bugs :=) 03:23 btoumi i return from hollydays today 03:23 btoumi very fine 03:23 chris how are you? 03:23 btoumi kool 03:23 chris doing good 03:22 btoumi hi chris how are u? 03:22 chris heya bruno 03:22 btoumi hi everybody 02:57 hdl :D 02:57 chris the joke is to say "Is that still a requirement?" 02:56 chris "do you have any criminal convictions?" 02:56 chris and it asks 02:56 chris when you fly into australia you have to fill in an immigration card 02:56 chris there is a joke that nzers say 02:56 chris nope 02:56 hdl For instance, NZ was never considered as a prison. 02:55 chris similair for some things ... quite different for others :) 02:55 hdl ;) 02:53 chris hehe 02:52 hdl they told me that australia and New Zeland ppl had QUITE different minds. :) 02:51 chris oh? 02:51 hdl I qpoke last saturday with persons who lived a while in Australia. 02:51 hdl good. 02:50 chris good thanks, and you? 02:49 hdl How are you. 02:49 hdl hi chris. 02:49 chris hi hdl 02:16 chris hi bruno 02:03 pierrick hi chris 02:00 chris hi pierrick