Time  Nick        Message
10:48 tnb         kados: how's it going?
10:38 russ        tnb: knock on the door when you get back to the hotel
10:35 russ        lol
10:33 tnb         I have some ginger tea if you want it (it is very potent stuff!  not for the faint of heart :)
10:32 russ        i ink i'll make it out to CMI tomorrow
10:32 russ        good idea
10:31 russ        yes thw big warnings are a bit scary
10:31 russ        :-)
10:29 tnb         btw
10:29 tnb         ru feeling better?
10:29 tnb         russ: i think a "Remember:" might be less alarmist than "Warning", what do you think?
10:22 tnb         alright. I'll do that. :)
10:19 russ        once again as long as we are consistant we can always swap it around
10:18 russ        and h3 for nested questions
10:18 russ        now really we should use h4 for the special tags
10:18 russ        good question
10:17 russ        hmm
10:11 tnb         originally, it was going to be h2 and h3
10:11 tnb         h4?
10:11 tnb         russ: if we use h3 for the 'special' tags, then what should we use for the nested questions?
10:04 russ        we are getting there slowly :-)
10:04 russ        and use them to update the style guide
10:04 russ        i suggest that you take the examples from this page
10:04 russ        a short title should be found
10:04 russ        if the title gets too long
10:03 russ        i think you are right
10:03 russ        cool
10:01 tnb         :)
10:01 tnb         I think #2 is preferable if the first line is short and descriptive, otherwise #3
10:00 tnb         John likes #3
10:00 tnb         ok russ.  the consensus is that #1 is definitely out
09:56 tnb         ok.  let me take a look...
09:53 russ        k
09:49 russ        so you can get a little preview
09:49 russ        it is pretty easy for me to slot in the icons
09:49 russ        if it will help
09:49 russ        three information and short title are heading - detail is text
09:48 russ        two warning and first line are heading - rest of detail is text
09:48 russ        one the warning is a heading - detail is text
09:47 russ        3 options for the warning/info
09:46 russ        http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=reserve.pl
09:46 russ        ok tnb, here is something for you and john to take a look at
09:45 tnb         checking
09:45 tnb         right.  makes sense.  i was just checkingt
09:45 tnb         needed
09:45 kados       originally the librarian has to set the password
09:45 tnb         ok.  that's what I need
09:45 kados       no, can't do that
09:44 tnb         wait, i know they can 'change' but i mean 'set'
09:44 kados       if not, you can use liblime's templates as an example of how it works
09:44 kados       yes, borrowers can change their passwords online now and I think NPL has implemented it
09:44 kados       yes, we're changing reserves so staff can request specific copies
09:43 tnb         I am writing documentation about this
09:43 tnb         secondly, has any library implemented an option for borrowers to set their password themselves online (originally; i know they can change it themselves now
09:41 tnb         ryan thought you might be
09:41 tnb         firstly, are you all changing the reserves for staff to request specific copies?
09:41 tnb         2 questions
09:41 kados       tnb: what's yup?
09:41 kados       tn	yep
09:40 tnb         you have time?
09:40 tnb         kados: I have questions on reserves
09:40 tnb         great russ.  Thanks :)
09:39 russ        it will all work out
09:39 russ        as long as people follow the style sheet
09:39 russ        once agian they will sort themselves
09:39 russ        to each question
09:38 russ        so dont worry about the links at the top
09:38 russ        oops bit of lag in my typing
09:37 russ        docuwiki creates a nicetable fo contents for each page
09:37 russ        as long as we use the headings correctly
09:37 russ        we can do the same
09:37 russ        so when the time comes
09:37 russ        docuwiki is doing it automagically
09:37 russ        you know i dont think we need to put the links at the top of the page by hand
09:35 tnb         i thought you were done :) It is looking good
09:35 tnb         :)
09:35 tnb         yeah, I stopped
09:34 russ        ah we are trying to use the same page :-)
09:33 tnb         ok then.  sounds good.
09:31 russ        if there are people who arent adding it
09:31 russ        i dont think adding the div code is going to make tht much difference
09:30 russ        i think keep it basic
09:30 russ        no
09:30 tnb         maybe we offer two online guidelines, one for people who understand basic html, and those who don't?
09:29 tnb         ok.  I'm happy to add the coding part as I do it (divs, etc) if that would be helpful and since I can
09:28 tnb         :)
09:28 russ        that is the case
09:28 russ        but yes
09:28 russ        you = we
09:27 tnb         but that you will add them as styles later?
09:27 tnb         russ: am i to understand correctly that i don't attempt to place the icon images we agreed on,
09:26 owen        Hi tnb
09:26 tnb         :)
09:26 tnb         owen: hi
09:26 tnb         hi owen!
09:26 tnb         great!
09:26 russ        cool i'll put the links in now
09:26 tnb         would another example work better?
09:25 tnb         this page has multiple questions
09:25 russ        tnb: i think it is easiest to see in an example
09:25 tnb         http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=reserve.pl
09:24 tnb         here's one i'm working one
09:24 russ        tnb: do a page with multiple q's and i'll go through and add the links
09:24 russ        sweet this works quite well
09:19 russ        cool do that
09:18 tnb         ok, you can go and tell me when you get back :)
09:18 tnb         first, I am going to add a sample page under reserves and you tell me whether I'm doing it the way we agreed. Then we need to change the instructions in the guide slightly to be clearer
09:17 tnb         ok, wait! :)
09:17 russ        then i will get back to you
09:17 russ        but i am going to try a little experiment
09:16 russ        the short answer is yes we can do it
09:14 tnb         we have to just set it up QA, QA and then pull them out for fancy stuff later
09:14 russ        i'll double check
09:14 russ        maybe
09:14 russ        2 secs
09:14 tnb         that isn't something that we can do in the wiki, right?
09:14 russ        i just need to check something in the wiki syntax
09:13 russ        right
09:13 tnb         ok, our other question was about multiple questions and the 'skipping' to the answers further down on the page (per John's style guide
09:13 russ        just use that
09:13 russ        if you are doing the reserves page
09:12 russ        we can then link it in as the example of what to do
09:12 russ        and use it to make a dummy page
09:12 russ        is take John's style guide
09:12 russ        what i suggest you do
09:12 russ        then i think we will be fine
09:12 russ        as long as there is a pattern that is use consitantly
09:12 tnb         I don't mind div tags; depends on who we have writing documentation if they will get that or not
09:11 russ        but it may turn off some people from writing docs
09:11 tnb         which one would you prefer?
09:11 tnb         or, i seem to remember a discussion and then you suggesting all caps on those words would allow you to wrap in divs after the fact?
09:11 russ        sure we could do that
09:11 russ        right i think this is something that may have been miised yseterday
09:10 tnb         um, so what about wrapping answers in div class and also the warnings and information and important?  Ryan and I thought we should.  If so, we need to explain that on the wiki
09:10 russ        so we should be able to recognise the pattern and write the script accordingly
09:09 tnb         :)
09:09 russ        if it does, i hope it will be the same maddness each time
09:08 russ        i dont think so
09:07 tnb         will using the wiki syntax for that create weirdness when we import it elsewhere?
09:07 tnb         alright.  So about the numbered step stuff... is this ok with you?  I am doing the "reserve" page and anything involving reserves is best broken into steps i think
09:00 russ        i will do a page on the wiki explaining why it is a good idea
09:00 russ        sweet
09:00 tnb         russ: i'm back.  Everyone is getting registered.
08:52 chris       ahh there he is
08:50 russ        i think it will also help others to see that there are a bunch of people contributin
08:50 tnb         I'll do it now...
08:50 tnb         oh yeah, i got sidetracked :?
08:50 russ        that way it is easier to see where changes have come from
08:50 russ        can i suggest that you login and set your self up a user on the wiki?
08:49 russ        yeah reading now
08:49 tnb         wow.
08:49 russ        whole city block
08:49 tnb         russ: I want to add a blurb to the wiki about the syntax for creating numbered "steps" in an answer.  Ie, to use the numbered, bulletted list in the wiki editor
08:49 russ        was quite humorous - had a power cut for about an hour
08:48 russ        yeah
08:48 tnb         you at the hotel?
08:48 tnb         Cindy is working on something else I don't understand :)
08:48 tnb         I don't know what ryan is working on.
08:48 tnb         john, thomas and I are.
08:47 tnb         russ: we are still working on documentation.
08:45 russ        ?
08:45 russ        or have people moved onto different topics
08:44 russ        what is happening out there? are people still working in the same groups
08:43 russ        not at cmi
08:43 russ        well on irc
08:43 tnb         you here?
08:42 tnb         i'm here russ
08:32 russ        chris, tnb you around?
08:32 russ        hi
08:07 chris       yeah
08:06 tnb         hope he's ok :/
08:02 chris       i think so
08:02 chris       yes
08:00 tnb         does he have a phone with him?
08:00 tnb         yeah, where is russ?
07:40 tnb         I am working on online help for reserves, so I'm wondering
07:40 tnb         kados: you guys working on a system preference to allow reserves on specific copies?
07:08 disjuncture hmm :(
07:06 ToinS       ok cool !
07:05 chris       we are making some progress with zebra
07:05 chris       cool
07:05 ToinS       yep
07:04 chris       still working on the marc editor toinS?
07:04 kados       tnb: what's up?
07:04 chris       :-)
07:02 tnb         you there?
07:02 tnb         kados:
06:56 disjuncture ok.. i give up. no solutions on the mailing lists
06:36 disjuncture phew.. i think im going to give up
06:27 disjuncture *get
06:27 disjuncture shh i always het this: Premature end of script headers: barcodesGenerator.pl on my intranet log
06:17 chris       profilePath: ${srcdir:-.}:/usr/local/share/idzebra/tab/:${srcdir:-.}/tab/
06:16 chris       profilePath: ${srcdir:-.}:/usr/share/idzebra/tab/
06:08 disjuncture ahh great thing you're here
06:07 chris       :)
06:07 chris       i will just be slower to answer
06:07 chris       its ok
06:07 disjuncture ohh sorry
06:07 disjuncture i have 0.3r77
06:07 chris       http://www.koha.org/community/conferences/devweek.html <-- what we are doing
06:06 disjuncture i got it
06:06 chris       thats how i would do it, it might work in windows from the command prompt
06:05 chris       no problem
06:05 chris       perl -MPDF::API2 -e 'print "$PDF::API2::VERSION\n"'
06:05 disjuncture ohh sorry
06:05 chris       sorry we are in the middle of dev week here, 2 seconds
06:04 disjuncture ??
06:02 disjuncture ok how is it done for linux
06:02 chris       but not for windows
06:02 chris       good question, i know the answer for linux
06:02 disjuncture ei how will i know if what version of PDF::API2 do i have?\
06:00 disjuncture ok..
05:59 chris       darn, probably best to just email that list
05:58 disjuncture eremm no answer there :(
05:54 disjuncture alright thanks..
05:53 chris       http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-win32
05:53 chris       thats where the windows users hang out :)
05:53 chris       maybe the koha-win32 list is a good place to ask?
05:53 disjuncture ooh,,,
05:53 disjuncture im trying to add a printer. but i donot know what parameters shall i put there.
05:52 chris       ahhh sorry i know very little about windows
05:52 disjuncture it's installed with windows xp
05:52 disjuncture i am having a problem with my koha installation
05:52 disjuncture hi good day..
05:51 chris       back
04:20 chris       will do
04:19 tnb         ok.  if you see him, tell him I'm nearly finished adding the online help content we have for admin, so he could start revising it on the wiki
04:18 chris       im guessing somewher in the uni
04:18 chris       well not upstairs
04:18 tnb         oh
04:17 chris       not here
04:17 tnb         where's thomas?  I want to tell him something
04:09 mason       could you help me with carnaby access?
04:09 mason       great to hera from you
04:08 mason       hi chris
04:05 chris       hi mason
04:05 rach        urm I suspect  not, because at least one hand knows where half the keys are
04:04 mason       rach: is one handed typing trickier on the split keyboard?
04:03 rach        so how are things on the continent?
04:03 mason       im still finding it exciting seeing u on irc from france
04:03 rach        woo two handed typing
04:02 rach        just back from our walk
04:02 russ        tnb: we can sort that out tomorrow perhaps
04:02 mason       bens up late
04:02 russ        tnb: righto
04:02 rach        ben waves too so won't be here long
04:02 mason       is chris handy?
04:02 russ        mason : ah true
04:01 mason       just came back fro the library, book sale!
04:01 tnb         then I'll go back
04:01 mason       ha , its only 9 :)
04:01 tnb         right now, everyone should just assume that needs review, but after that we'll need more statuses.  I'm not stripping out the html and adding the wiki syntax until I've dumped everything in
04:01 kados       russ: I can check on that
04:01 russ        hiya mason - you're up late
04:00 maseaway    hiyas
04:00 tnb         with the help docs for sure
03:58 russ        or the wiki in general
03:58 russ        with the help docs?
03:57 tnb         russ: we also need to agree on some status designations.  right now, almost everything needs review.
03:56 russ        and identifying who wrote what
03:56 russ        would help with tracking changes
03:56 russ        was wondering aboutsetting the wiki so that everyone has to register before they can edit
03:55 russ        got a minute for a quick question?
03:55 kados       russ: yo
03:54 chris       yeah hes sitting near me
03:54 russ        kados you about?
03:53 russ        laurel's lappy has an euro power adaopter - chris has mine
03:53 chris       ahh using laurels?
03:53 tnb         russ: you back already?
03:33 russ        oops
03:32 russ        07:42PM|<chris> u use ur card on the bus to
03:32 russ                        anyway
03:32 russ        07:42PM|<chris> and i thin about 4 stops ... the 2nd stop past the round about
03:32 russ        07:41PM|<chris> and catch the number one
03:32 russ        07:41PM|<chris> cross the road
03:32 russ        07:41PM|<chris> you go out the station
03:31 russ        right out of  battery and chris has all the adaptors, i think i will try and head out, see you soonish
03:31 russ        oh cool - just got my docuwiki password
03:30 russ        feel free to draft one up though :-)
03:30 russ        do an email and a news item on koha.org
03:29 russ        tonight
03:29 russ        i say we work in the announcement together
03:29 russ        ah cool
03:29 tnb         yeah, an announcement sounds good.  I saw your wiki page before the email, so no problem ;)
03:27 russ        http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=contributing_to_online_help
03:27 russ        this page is better
03:27 russ        actually the email is full of holes :-)
03:26 tnb         ok, looking at your email russ
03:25 russ        that is a call to the look and feel of the help pages
03:25 tnb         ok.  great.
03:25 russ        it will always be the same on the help files, so is not necessary
03:24 tnb         oui!
03:24 russ        tnb do you mean this bit <!. TMPL_INCLUDE NAME=.help-top.inc. .> ?
03:23 tnb         his email, or his notes on teh wiki?
03:23 russ        ah possibly
03:23 tnb         I know it says to exclude that when cutting and pasting
03:23 kados       tnb: did you see russ's email?
03:22 tnb         that should go into the wiki?
03:22 tnb         BTW, ryan and i were wondering if there isn't some important info in the TMPL includes
03:21 tnb         :) yeah, I imagined it would be scarier ;)
03:20 russ        it's not so scary :-)
03:19 russ        welcome to #koha btw - i havent seen you on here before :-)
03:19 tnb         right.
03:19 russ        we can always do something to convert all h3 to h4
03:18 tnb         ok. sounds good
03:18 russ        yep
03:18 tnb         :)
03:18 tnb         so, anything is fine?  Can we go all the way to h4 with no problem in converting it later?
03:18 russ        sounds good to me
03:18 tnb         "Question": h2
03:17 tnb         any recommendations?  the name of the help file: h1 ?
03:17 russ        http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=online_help_style_guide
03:17 tnb         right.  that's what I mean.
03:17 russ        some notes on which heading styles to use and when
03:16 russ        it may needs
03:16 russ        however
03:16 russ        john's style sheet
03:16 russ        yep
03:16 tnb         russ: do we have a standard way in mind to use the wiki formatting to create new/revised content?...
03:16 russ        never mind
03:16 russ        mud
03:15 chris       it will take an hour or so to get thru the greylist the first time
03:15 chris       yeah thatd be it
03:13 russ        but that might be the katipo mail system greylisting :-)
03:13 russ        i just registered and it said itwas sending out an email
03:12 russ        tina : we might need to have a chat to joshua or ryan about getting the login going for the wiki
03:10 russ        ack
03:09 tnb         looking at it now...
03:07 tnb         yeah, ryan just found your notes :)
03:07 russ        the online help effort can get started
03:07 russ        i think with those and john's style sheet
03:07 russ        http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=contributing_to_online_help
03:06 russ        i have written up some more notes on the wiki
03:06 russ        might head out soon
03:06 russ        bit better
03:04 tnb         russ: hi, how are you feeling? :(
02:59 osmoze      hi chris :)
02:58 chris       hi osmoze
02:50 chris       kados: u about?
02:45 russ        cool
02:42 chris       u use ur card on the bus to
02:42 chris       and i thin about 4 stops ... the 2nd stop past the round about anyway
02:41 chris       and catch the number one
02:41 chris       cross the road
02:41 chris       you go out the station
02:41 russ        sweet
02:41 chris       yes
02:41 russ        s/their/there
02:41 russ        is it easy to get their
02:41 chris       bus 1
02:41 chris       cool
02:41 russ        might head out lunchtime ish
02:40 russ        little bit
02:31 chris       feeling better?
02:31 chris       hi russ
02:01 russ        hi osmoze
02:00 osmoze      hello #koha
12:24 kados       tomorrow should be a fun day too :-)
12:24 kados       yea, stay tuned :-)
12:23 kados       hehe