Time Nick Message 12:23 kados hehe 12:24 kados yea, stay tuned :-) 12:24 kados tomorrow should be a fun day too :-) 02:00 osmoze hello #koha 02:01 russ hi osmoze 02:31 chris hi russ 02:31 chris feeling better? 02:40 russ little bit 02:41 russ might head out lunchtime ish 02:41 chris cool 02:41 chris bus 1 02:41 russ is it easy to get their 02:41 russ s/their/there 02:41 chris yes 02:41 russ sweet 02:41 chris you go out the station 02:41 chris cross the road 02:41 chris and catch the number one 02:42 chris and i thin about 4 stops ... the 2nd stop past the round about anyway 02:42 chris u use ur card on the bus to 02:45 russ cool 02:50 chris kados: u about? 02:58 chris hi osmoze 02:59 osmoze hi chris :) 03:04 tnb russ: hi, how are you feeling? :( 03:06 russ bit better 03:06 russ might head out soon 03:06 russ i have written up some more notes on the wiki 03:07 russ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=contributing_to_online_help 03:07 russ i think with those and john's style sheet 03:07 russ the online help effort can get started 03:07 tnb yeah, ryan just found your notes :) 03:09 tnb looking at it now... 03:10 russ ack 03:12 russ tina : we might need to have a chat to joshua or ryan about getting the login going for the wiki 03:13 russ i just registered and it said itwas sending out an email 03:13 russ but that might be the katipo mail system greylisting :-) 03:15 chris yeah thatd be it 03:15 chris it will take an hour or so to get thru the greylist the first time 03:16 russ mud 03:16 russ never mind 03:16 tnb russ: do we have a standard way in mind to use the wiki formatting to create new/revised content?... 03:16 russ yep 03:16 russ john's style sheet 03:16 russ however 03:16 russ it may needs 03:17 russ some notes on which heading styles to use and when 03:17 tnb right. that's what I mean. 03:17 russ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=online_help_style_guide 03:17 tnb any recommendations? the name of the help file: h1 ? 03:18 tnb "Question": h2 03:18 russ sounds good to me 03:18 tnb so, anything is fine? Can we go all the way to h4 with no problem in converting it later? 03:18 tnb :) 03:18 russ yep 03:18 tnb ok. sounds good 03:19 russ we can always do something to convert all h3 to h4 03:19 tnb right. 03:19 russ welcome to #koha btw - i havent seen you on here before :-) 03:20 russ it's not so scary :-) 03:21 tnb :) yeah, I imagined it would be scarier ;) 03:22 tnb BTW, ryan and i were wondering if there isn't some important info in the TMPL includes 03:22 tnb that should go into the wiki? 03:23 kados tnb: did you see russ's email? 03:23 tnb I know it says to exclude that when cutting and pasting 03:23 russ ah possibly 03:23 tnb his email, or his notes on teh wiki? 03:24 russ tnb do you mean this bit <!. TMPL_INCLUDE NAME=.help-top.inc. .> ? 03:24 tnb oui! 03:25 russ it will always be the same on the help files, so is not necessary 03:25 tnb ok. great. 03:25 russ that is a call to the look and feel of the help pages 03:26 tnb ok, looking at your email russ 03:27 russ actually the email is full of holes :-) 03:27 russ this page is better 03:27 russ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=contributing_to_online_help 03:29 tnb yeah, an announcement sounds good. I saw your wiki page before the email, so no problem ;) 03:29 russ ah cool 03:29 russ i say we work in the announcement together 03:29 russ tonight 03:30 russ do an email and a news item on koha.org 03:30 russ feel free to draft one up though :-) 03:31 russ oh cool - just got my docuwiki password 03:31 russ right out of battery and chris has all the adaptors, i think i will try and head out, see you soonish 03:32 russ 07:41PM|<chris> you go out the station 03:32 russ 07:41PM|<chris> cross the road 03:32 russ 07:41PM|<chris> and catch the number one 03:32 russ 07:42PM|<chris> and i thin about 4 stops ... the 2nd stop past the round about 03:32 russ anyway 03:32 russ 07:42PM|<chris> u use ur card on the bus to 03:33 russ oops 03:53 tnb russ: you back already? 03:53 chris ahh using laurels? 03:53 russ laurel's lappy has an euro power adaopter - chris has mine 03:54 russ kados you about? 03:54 chris yeah hes sitting near me 03:55 kados russ: yo 03:55 russ got a minute for a quick question? 03:56 russ was wondering aboutsetting the wiki so that everyone has to register before they can edit 03:56 russ would help with tracking changes 03:56 russ and identifying who wrote what 03:57 tnb russ: we also need to agree on some status designations. right now, almost everything needs review. 03:58 russ with the help docs? 03:58 russ or the wiki in general 04:00 tnb with the help docs for sure 04:00 maseaway hiyas 04:01 russ hiya mason - you're up late 04:01 kados russ: I can check on that 04:01 tnb right now, everyone should just assume that needs review, but after that we'll need more statuses. I'm not stripping out the html and adding the wiki syntax until I've dumped everything in 04:01 mason ha , its only 9 :) 04:01 tnb then I'll go back 04:01 mason just came back fro the library, book sale! 04:02 russ mason : ah true 04:02 mason is chris handy? 04:02 rach ben waves too so won't be here long 04:02 russ tnb: righto 04:02 mason bens up late 04:02 russ tnb: we can sort that out tomorrow perhaps 04:02 rach just back from our walk 04:03 rach woo two handed typing 04:03 mason im still finding it exciting seeing u on irc from france 04:03 rach so how are things on the continent? 04:04 mason rach: is one handed typing trickier on the split keyboard? 04:05 rach urm I suspect not, because at least one hand knows where half the keys are 04:05 chris hi mason 04:08 mason hi chris 04:09 mason great to hera from you 04:09 mason could you help me with carnaby access? 04:17 tnb where's thomas? I want to tell him something 04:17 chris not here 04:18 tnb oh 04:18 chris well not upstairs 04:18 chris im guessing somewher in the uni 04:19 tnb ok. if you see him, tell him I'm nearly finished adding the online help content we have for admin, so he could start revising it on the wiki 04:20 chris will do 05:51 chris back 05:52 disjuncture hi good day.. 05:52 disjuncture i am having a problem with my koha installation 05:52 disjuncture it's installed with windows xp 05:52 chris ahhh sorry i know very little about windows 05:53 disjuncture im trying to add a printer. but i donot know what parameters shall i put there. 05:53 disjuncture ooh,,, 05:53 chris maybe the koha-win32 list is a good place to ask? 05:53 chris thats where the windows users hang out :) 05:53 chris http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/koha-win32 05:54 disjuncture alright thanks.. 05:58 disjuncture eremm no answer there :( 05:59 chris darn, probably best to just email that list 06:00 disjuncture ok.. 06:02 disjuncture ei how will i know if what version of PDF::API2 do i have?\ 06:02 chris good question, i know the answer for linux 06:02 chris but not for windows 06:02 disjuncture ok how is it done for linux 06:04 disjuncture ?? 06:05 chris sorry we are in the middle of dev week here, 2 seconds 06:05 disjuncture ohh sorry 06:05 chris perl -MPDF::API2 -e 'print "$PDF::API2::VERSION\n"' 06:05 chris no problem 06:06 chris thats how i would do it, it might work in windows from the command prompt 06:06 disjuncture i got it 06:07 chris http://www.koha.org/community/conferences/devweek.html <-- what we are doing 06:07 disjuncture i have 0.3r77 06:07 disjuncture ohh sorry 06:07 chris its ok 06:07 chris i will just be slower to answer 06:07 chris :) 06:08 disjuncture ahh great thing you're here 06:16 chris profilePath: ${srcdir:-.}:/usr/share/idzebra/tab/ 06:17 chris profilePath: ${srcdir:-.}:/usr/local/share/idzebra/tab/:${srcdir:-.}/tab/ 06:27 disjuncture shh i always het this: Premature end of script headers: barcodesGenerator.pl on my intranet log 06:27 disjuncture *get 06:36 disjuncture phew.. i think im going to give up 06:56 disjuncture ok.. i give up. no solutions on the mailing lists 07:02 tnb kados: 07:02 tnb you there? 07:04 chris :-) 07:04 kados tnb: what's up? 07:04 chris still working on the marc editor toinS? 07:05 ToinS yep 07:05 chris cool 07:05 chris we are making some progress with zebra 07:06 ToinS ok cool ! 07:08 disjuncture hmm :( 07:40 tnb kados: you guys working on a system preference to allow reserves on specific copies? 07:40 tnb I am working on online help for reserves, so I'm wondering 08:00 tnb yeah, where is russ? 08:00 tnb does he have a phone with him? 08:02 chris yes 08:02 chris i think so 08:06 tnb hope he's ok :/ 08:07 chris yeah 08:32 russ hi 08:32 russ chris, tnb you around? 08:42 tnb i'm here russ 08:43 tnb you here? 08:43 russ well on irc 08:43 russ not at cmi 08:44 russ what is happening out there? are people still working in the same groups 08:45 russ or have people moved onto different topics 08:45 russ ? 08:47 tnb russ: we are still working on documentation. 08:48 tnb john, thomas and I are. 08:48 tnb I don't know what ryan is working on. 08:48 tnb Cindy is working on something else I don't understand :) 08:48 tnb you at the hotel? 08:48 russ yeah 08:49 russ was quite humorous - had a power cut for about an hour 08:49 tnb russ: I want to add a blurb to the wiki about the syntax for creating numbered "steps" in an answer. Ie, to use the numbered, bulletted list in the wiki editor 08:49 russ whole city block 08:49 tnb wow. 08:49 russ yeah reading now 08:50 russ can i suggest that you login and set your self up a user on the wiki? 08:50 russ that way it is easier to see where changes have come from 08:50 tnb oh yeah, i got sidetracked :? 08:50 tnb I'll do it now... 08:50 russ i think it will also help others to see that there are a bunch of people contributin 08:52 chris ahh there he is 09:00 tnb russ: i'm back. Everyone is getting registered. 09:00 russ sweet 09:00 russ i will do a page on the wiki explaining why it is a good idea 09:07 tnb alright. So about the numbered step stuff... is this ok with you? I am doing the "reserve" page and anything involving reserves is best broken into steps i think 09:07 tnb will using the wiki syntax for that create weirdness when we import it elsewhere? 09:08 russ i dont think so 09:09 russ if it does, i hope it will be the same maddness each time 09:09 tnb :) 09:10 russ so we should be able to recognise the pattern and write the script accordingly 09:10 tnb um, so what about wrapping answers in div class and also the warnings and information and important? Ryan and I thought we should. If so, we need to explain that on the wiki 09:11 russ right i think this is something that may have been miised yseterday 09:11 russ sure we could do that 09:11 tnb or, i seem to remember a discussion and then you suggesting all caps on those words would allow you to wrap in divs after the fact? 09:11 tnb which one would you prefer? 09:11 russ but it may turn off some people from writing docs 09:12 tnb I don't mind div tags; depends on who we have writing documentation if they will get that or not 09:12 russ as long as there is a pattern that is use consitantly 09:12 russ then i think we will be fine 09:12 russ what i suggest you do 09:12 russ is take John's style guide 09:12 russ and use it to make a dummy page 09:12 russ we can then link it in as the example of what to do 09:13 russ if you are doing the reserves page 09:13 russ just use that 09:13 tnb ok, our other question was about multiple questions and the 'skipping' to the answers further down on the page (per John's style guide 09:13 russ right 09:14 russ i just need to check something in the wiki syntax 09:14 tnb that isn't something that we can do in the wiki, right? 09:14 russ 2 secs 09:14 russ maybe 09:14 russ i'll double check 09:14 tnb we have to just set it up QA, QA and then pull them out for fancy stuff later 09:16 russ the short answer is yes we can do it 09:17 russ but i am going to try a little experiment 09:17 russ then i will get back to you 09:17 tnb ok, wait! :) 09:18 tnb first, I am going to add a sample page under reserves and you tell me whether I'm doing it the way we agreed. Then we need to change the instructions in the guide slightly to be clearer 09:18 tnb ok, you can go and tell me when you get back :) 09:19 russ cool do that 09:24 russ sweet this works quite well 09:24 russ tnb: do a page with multiple q's and i'll go through and add the links 09:24 tnb here's one i'm working one 09:25 tnb http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=reserve.pl 09:25 russ tnb: i think it is easiest to see in an example 09:25 tnb this page has multiple questions 09:26 tnb would another example work better? 09:26 russ cool i'll put the links in now 09:26 tnb great! 09:26 tnb hi owen! 09:26 tnb owen: hi 09:26 tnb :) 09:26 owen Hi tnb 09:27 tnb russ: am i to understand correctly that i don't attempt to place the icon images we agreed on, 09:27 tnb but that you will add them as styles later? 09:28 russ you = we 09:28 russ but yes 09:28 russ that is the case 09:28 tnb :) 09:29 tnb ok. I'm happy to add the coding part as I do it (divs, etc) if that would be helpful and since I can 09:30 tnb maybe we offer two online guidelines, one for people who understand basic html, and those who don't? 09:30 russ no 09:30 russ i think keep it basic 09:31 russ i dont think adding the div code is going to make tht much difference 09:31 russ if there are people who arent adding it 09:33 tnb ok then. sounds good. 09:34 russ ah we are trying to use the same page :-) 09:35 tnb yeah, I stopped 09:35 tnb :) 09:35 tnb i thought you were done :) It is looking good 09:37 russ you know i dont think we need to put the links at the top of the page by hand 09:37 russ docuwiki is doing it automagically 09:37 russ so when the time comes 09:37 russ we can do the same 09:37 russ as long as we use the headings correctly 09:37 russ docuwiki creates a nicetable fo contents for each page 09:38 russ oops bit of lag in my typing 09:38 russ so dont worry about the links at the top 09:39 russ to each question 09:39 russ once agian they will sort themselves 09:39 russ as long as people follow the style sheet 09:39 russ it will all work out 09:40 tnb great russ. Thanks :) 09:40 tnb kados: I have questions on reserves 09:40 tnb you have time? 09:41 kados tn yep 09:41 kados tnb: what's yup? 09:41 tnb 2 questions 09:41 tnb firstly, are you all changing the reserves for staff to request specific copies? 09:41 tnb ryan thought you might be 09:43 tnb secondly, has any library implemented an option for borrowers to set their password themselves online (originally; i know they can change it themselves now 09:43 tnb I am writing documentation about this 09:44 kados yes, we're changing reserves so staff can request specific copies 09:44 kados yes, borrowers can change their passwords online now and I think NPL has implemented it 09:44 kados if not, you can use liblime's templates as an example of how it works 09:44 tnb wait, i know they can 'change' but i mean 'set' 09:45 kados no, can't do that 09:45 tnb ok. that's what I need 09:45 kados originally the librarian has to set the password 09:45 tnb needed 09:45 tnb right. makes sense. i was just checkingt 09:45 tnb checking 09:46 russ ok tnb, here is something for you and john to take a look at 09:46 russ http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=reserve.pl 09:47 russ 3 options for the warning/info 09:48 russ one the warning is a heading - detail is text 09:48 russ two warning and first line are heading - rest of detail is text 09:49 russ three information and short title are heading - detail is text 09:49 russ if it will help 09:49 russ it is pretty easy for me to slot in the icons 09:49 russ so you can get a little preview 09:53 russ k 09:56 tnb ok. let me take a look... 10:00 tnb ok russ. the consensus is that #1 is definitely out 10:00 tnb John likes #3 10:01 tnb I think #2 is preferable if the first line is short and descriptive, otherwise #3 10:01 tnb :) 10:03 russ cool 10:03 russ i think you are right 10:04 russ if the title gets too long 10:04 russ a short title should be found 10:04 russ i suggest that you take the examples from this page 10:04 russ and use them to update the style guide 10:04 russ we are getting there slowly :-) 10:11 tnb russ: if we use h3 for the 'special' tags, then what should we use for the nested questions? 10:11 tnb h4? 10:11 tnb originally, it was going to be h2 and h3 10:17 russ hmm 10:18 russ good question 10:18 russ now really we should use h4 for the special tags 10:18 russ and h3 for nested questions 10:19 russ once again as long as we are consistant we can always swap it around 10:22 tnb alright. I'll do that. :) 10:29 tnb russ: i think a "Remember:" might be less alarmist than "Warning", what do you think? 10:29 tnb ru feeling better? 10:29 tnb btw 10:31 russ :-) 10:31 russ yes thw big warnings are a bit scary 10:32 russ good idea 10:32 russ i ink i'll make it out to CMI tomorrow 10:33 tnb I have some ginger tea if you want it (it is very potent stuff! not for the faint of heart :) 10:35 russ lol 10:38 russ tnb: knock on the door when you get back to the hotel 10:48 tnb kados: how's it going?