Time Nick Message 11:58 paul due to riot, antoine has a last course tomorrow, so he will begin really on monday 11:58 kados ok 11:58 paul i'll be there tomorrow, but not on friday. 11:58 kados I will email you 11:58 paul I write a mail, & leave. 11:58 kados ok 11:58 paul no 11:58 paul yep ? 11:57 kados paul: do you have a moment to discuss it? 11:57 kados paul: about XUL MARC editor 11:51 kados (yes, the triple) 11:51 kados hehe 11:51 paul & marseille center is interesting, while the marseille north is something to avoid generally ! 11:51 kados after work :-) 11:51 kados makes it easy to 'see the city' 11:50 kados it's best I think 11:50 kados right 11:50 paul while CMI is in the north. 11:50 paul yes, but hotel is in marseille center. 11:50 kados quite far then 11:50 kados ahh 11:50 paul something like 15km 11:49 kados paul: how far is it from the hotel to the dev meeting location? 11:47 paul (in the triple I mean) 11:47 paul for 3 ? 11:47 paul great. 11:47 kados paul: hotel confirmed :-) 11:13 hdl oui 11:13 paul hdl ? 10:44 pierrick hdl, you worked on this, can you help me? http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-cvs/2006-01/msg00120.html 10:40 pierrick not supported in HEAD it seems. Do I suppose it is a result of a too violent merge from rel_2_2 ? 10:40 pierrick branchcode in aqbookfund 10:40 pierrick I have the same problem Owen encountered 3 months ago : http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl?look=plain&startdate=2006010604:17:18&enddate=2006010606:27:18&search=Search 10:29 kados paul: back in about an hour 10:29 kados paul: I need to head out for a bitt 10:29 kados paul: I will expand it later today 10:29 kados paul: http://wiki.liblime.com/doku.php?id=catalogingproject 10:16 kados paul: but certainly some :-) 10:16 paul no prob 10:16 kados paul: yes, though I'm not 100% sure she will spend all time with developers 10:15 paul kados : can I add sara to the 2nd week list ? 10:08 kados http://wiki.liblime.com/doku.php?id=catalogingproject 10:08 paul great 10:07 kados ok ... in fact I'll update the wiki 10:07 paul but is here if you prefer a chat 10:07 kados yes ... I can tell you right now 10:07 paul (you told me you had some suggestions to do) 10:07 kados ha 10:07 kados paul: tell him hello for me :-) 10:07 paul and I still don't have anything from you ! 10:07 kados but not yet for records imported with zebraidx (like Tumer's example) 10:07 paul kados : my student is here. 10:06 kados they work for records imported via perl-zoom 10:06 kados well, partly 10:06 kados chris got deletions working last night 10:00 paul great ! 09:59 kados paul: I finally got through to the hotel ... they are writing me another email right now 09:57 pierrick trees would prevent from counting! 09:57 paul (note that the city is 800 000 ppl) 09:57 pierrick to conclude I would say that riots should never take place in forrest... 09:56 paul so let's say we were 250 000. 09:56 paul 250 000 is better. 09:56 paul so, it's not enough to have 30 000 ppl. 09:56 paul but I bet that Marseille want always to be the largest & highest & tallest & biggest & ...est city in france. 09:56 paul so, it's not strange to have a x2 or x2,5 difference. 09:55 paul organisators counts ppl passing on a given point. 09:55 kados right 09:55 paul 100 in a grid & 100 grids filled => 10 000 persons. 09:55 paul * police has a constant method to cound ppl : they take a photo from the sky, and use a grid. 09:54 paul I would say 2 things : 09:54 paul s/hear/believe/ 09:54 pierrick let's say 50K 09:54 paul to answer your question : don't be afraid and don't hear what NYT says : france is safer than Badgad ! 09:54 kados hehe 09:54 pierrick that's why Marseille is so much appreciated... 09:54 kados so which is it? 28K or 250K ? :-) 09:53 kados he 09:53 paul but in Marseille, there is always a *8 or *10 factor ! 09:53 kados hehe 09:53 paul usually police says X and ppl say 2X or 2.5X 09:53 paul they said 250 000 09:53 paul and how many for ppl organising the défilé (don't know the word in english) ? 09:53 kados (in US they reported 200K in Marseille alone) :-) 09:52 kados yes 09:52 paul the police says that yesterday there was 28 000 ppl in the street (against the CPE) 09:52 paul do you want to laugh a little : 09:52 kados small revolutions == riots :-) 09:51 kados revolutions :-) 09:51 paul riots ? 09:51 kados paul: are there many riots in Marseille? 09:49 kados woohoo 09:48 paul youpi ! 09:48 paul my student arrive in 20mn 09:47 paul that's what I was thinking. Quite the same for us paris > columbus > paris 09:47 kados approx $700 USD 09:47 paul (& back to columbus) 09:46 paul how much cost a flight ticket Columbus => paris ? 09:46 kados ok, message sent 09:46 kados hehe 09:46 paul but 1 man & 2 women in the same bedroom will make ppl looking at you as a strange guy... 09:45 kados yes, I will 09:45 paul you could ask them. 09:45 paul (75¤) 09:45 paul they have a 'triple' 09:45 kados right 09:45 paul double is : 1 2 person bed 09:45 paul twin is : 2 1 person bed 09:45 kados right 09:44 paul twin is for 2, same price if you are 1 or 2. 09:44 kados and 'double' whatever that is 09:44 paul for europe hotel, it seems they only have single / twin. 09:44 kados programmer in training ... she attends the local college 09:44 kados Sara, our junior programmer :-) 09:44 paul who will you add ? 09:44 paul it depends on the hotel. 09:43 kados (we will add one to our number) 09:43 kados is this the same in France? 09:43 kados paul: in the US, often a hotel does not charge extra for more persons in a room (up to 5) 09:43 kados paul: quick question 09:43 kados ok 09:41 paul you can also try http://www.europe-hotel.fr/fr/contacts/contact.php 09:41 kados I'll try again 09:41 paul that's the correct # 09:40 kados but it doesn't seem to connect ... 09:40 kados I have attempted to dial +33 4 91 33 65 64 09:39 paul if you don't succeed to get them, let me know. 09:39 kados great, can they send it again? 09:39 paul they at least have recieved your mail 09:39 kados hmmm, I did not recieve it 09:39 paul they told me they sended one to request your credit card number 09:39 kados paul: after I submitted the web form 09:38 kados paul: I never recieved an email from them 09:38 kados paul: yes, I was trying to call them rjust now 09:24 hdl Il me semblait que ce serait mieux d'être sur place la veille. 09:24 paul (et pierrick, qui a réservé le 7 au soir lui aussi) 09:24 paul du tout, tu passeras le dimanche soir avec nos hotes étrangers 09:23 hdl Tu pense que je devrais réserver à partir du 8 ? 09:23 paul ah, ok, je me demandais si c'était une erreur de date. 09:23 hdl Oui. 09:23 paul tu as réservé l'hotel à partir du dimanche 7 mai à Marseille ? 09:23 hdl oui 09:22 paul hdl ? 09:09 osmoze cool :) 09:07 paul je pense que ca devrait être simple 09:07 paul je vais la noter. 09:07 osmoze tu penses qu une petite modifs pourrait etre faite pour la 2.4 ? 08:51 paul oui je vois l'idée 08:44 paul (au tel) 08:43 osmoze tu vois mon idée alors paul ? 08:41 osmoze il serai bien de faire comme pour le pret, tu mets ta branches et hop, ca reste 08:40 osmoze oui 08:40 paul tu veux dire que la branche de destination doit être resaisie après chaque transfert ? 08:40 osmoze je reprend 08:40 osmoze ) 08:40 osmoze (je m explique, je passe 500 livres de laf à vazerac, a chaque fois je dois remettre vazerac...Une tres grosse perte de temps pour nous 08:38 osmoze qq un a deja fait cette remarque ? 08:38 osmoze c est pas tres pratique quand on transfert 500 livres 08:38 osmoze a chaque livre il faut remettre la branch 08:37 osmoze une suggestion, dans les transferts 08:34 paul yep 08:34 osmoze paul ? 06:14 chris hmm you could be right 06:13 pierrick chris, about user tagging, what would be the difference with virtual shelves? I think user tagging is just improving virtual shelves functionnality 06:10 chris cool 06:07 osmoze hi :) 06:07 paul pierrick will explain itself ! 06:07 paul hi osmoze. 06:07 osmoze what is "vendangeur" for pierrick Paul ? 06:06 pierrick paul, OK, interesting to speak in public :-) 06:06 paul hi chris. 06:06 chris hi paul 06:06 chris good point pierrick 06:06 paul i've added you as a speaker ! 06:06 chris ohh true 06:06 paul you should read carefully the wiki page about KohaCon, may 3rd. 06:05 pierrick paul, yes ? 06:05 pierrick we don't need to make logs associated to a borrower. We just need to know that "a" borrower did this and then that. 06:04 paul pierrick ? 06:04 pierrick I have the same problem with PhpWebGallery navigation logs 06:04 chris only being slightly joking, if you dont track what users look at, you cant hand that info over to the FBI 06:03 pierrick lol 06:03 chris which is scary in the USA with the patriot act 06:02 chris that in order to be useful we need to track what users look at 06:02 chris the trick is 06:02 chris well we'd have to collect more info 06:02 pierrick the Amazon way ? 06:01 chris hmm suggestions, how to do it nicely 06:00 chris yeah, grouping 06:00 pierrick but does not exactly suggest... it's something else... 06:00 chris yep 05:59 pierrick so the user tagging feature is interesting :-) 05:59 chris would be good 05:58 chris yeah, letting users suggest others 05:58 pierrick "see" and "see also" are already a first suggestion way, but very static. In fact, I don't know very well how "see" and "see also" work... I have to investigate 05:56 chris that would be cool 05:56 pierrick based on other users experience 05:56 chris we could do something like that 05:56 pierrick tagging would do this in some way 05:55 chris ahhh 05:55 pierrick I mean like on Amazon. Based on what you already look and buy, Amazon suggests to look at other items. 05:55 chris suggestions to borrowers? 05:55 pierrick are there features like suggestions to borrowers already been planned ? 05:54 pierrick OK :-) 05:53 chris it seems like something interesting, but no one has worked on it as far as i know 05:52 pierrick reading koha-devel archive, I've found a suggestion on user tagging feature : http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/koha-devel/2005-10/msg00011.html Was this feature added? Is someone interested in doing it? 04:40 osmoze ok, i will investigate :) 04:40 chris but i havent seen it working 04:40 chris i seem to remember an email he sent paul about it 04:40 chris i think tumer has written some code to do stock inventory 04:39 osmoze someone knows if a module inventory is in todo list ? 04:38 chris yep ill make time 04:37 pierrick OK, will you or russ have time to install something on koha.org in April 04:35 chris (no time) 04:35 chris we didnt get any further 04:35 chris no, it was just in the idea stage 04:35 pierrick did you work with Joshua about an extension manager ? 04:34 chris ooohh that sounds ideal 04:34 pierrick you come to the extension manager and ask template compatible with Koha 2.2.5, "darksky" will be listed 04:33 pierrick it is based on extensions, revisions of extension, compatibility with the extended software. For example, revision 2 of template "darksky" is compatible with Koha 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 04:33 chris sweet 04:32 pierrick we are going to make it free independant software, usable for any project 04:32 pierrick when I searched this kind of software for PhpWebGallery, I found nothing, so a team member wrote something 04:31 chris coordinating this, and looking after these sort of things are the kind of things id like to see a foundation take charge of 04:31 chris true that would be great 04:30 pierrick Imagine customers sharing their biblioframeworks as well... 04:30 pierrick OK, better with "extensions" 04:30 pierrick why only "templates" ? 04:30 chris etc 04:30 chris extensions.koha.org 04:30 chris templates.koha.org 04:30 chris we could have 04:29 pierrick I wanted to discuss with kados about extension manager, because he said he wanted a kohazilla.org who would do the same 04:28 chris ive been wanting to do something like that for a long time, where people can submit their templates 04:28 chris the extensions/templates is a great idea 04:23 chris number 2 is already started 04:22 chris ah yes you did 04:22 pierrick yesterday, you said I made good suggestions about user oriented tools 04:22 chris if you want something changed i can do that 04:21 chris russ does most of it 04:21 chris some of it 04:21 pierrick or is that russ work ? 04:21 pierrick chris, do you take care of koha.org ? 04:21 chris thank you 04:21 pierrick thank you chris, I'll close som bugs today 04:20 chris yes 04:20 pierrick OK, so every bug VERFIED on Koha 1.x should be CLOSED today 04:18 chris if they are happy 04:18 chris ideally a developer marks something as fixed, when he/she thinks they have fixed it, someone else verifies the fix, then the qa person closes the bug 04:17 chris at least thats how i use it 04:17 chris fixed, should be verified, then closed 04:17 chris so resolved - invalid, could go straight to closed 04:16 chris closed when its been released 04:16 chris then verified when someone has checked it 04:15 chris ahh, it should go resolved - fixed, or resolved - invalid, etc 04:14 chris back 04:08 pierrick about bugtracker, I was wondering what meant the state "RESOLVED VERIFIED"? What is required to close the bug after this? 03:54 chris pierrick: im just off to wash the dishes, ill be back in a bit, if you want to ask anything about old koha 03:48 chris hi hdl 03:48 hdl hi 03:45 chris what do you need pierrick? 03:45 chris :-) 03:45 chris im not that old, im only 32 03:40 pierrick is an old koha developer present ? 03:27 osmoze hello 00:28 chris cya 00:28 kados k ... I'm out 00:28 chris ta 00:28 kados ./marc.pl op=export start_bib=1 end_bib=3 > records.mrc 00:27 kados then you can run it like 00:27 kados is comment out the first print 00:27 kados all you need to do to modify the marc.pl export script 00:25 chris and see if that breaks 00:25 chris and then zebraidx them 00:25 chris ill just export a couple of the records ive already loaded 00:25 chris id have to load all the npl data for it to be useful 00:24 kados (I'll post is somewhere just in case) 00:24 chris ok ill have a look see if i can get it to break 00:24 kados (do you still have that btw?) 00:24 kados (which is what the npl.mrc file is) 00:24 kados (I modified marc.pl to just dump to a file) 00:24 chris ah right 00:24 kados then import into zebra with zebraidx 00:23 kados then export with the marc.pl script 00:23 kados so meadville will import into 2.2 00:23 kados npl's data does 00:23 chris right 00:23 kados it assumes you've got the koha stuff in there already 00:23 chris doesnt even 00:23 chris zebraidx does create the koha stuff right? 00:23 kados anyway, that will get you up and running like me 00:22 kados because MARC::File::XML uses a collection wrapper but zebra doesn't 00:22 chris right 00:22 kados we need both if we're going to zebraidx as well as bulkmarcimport 00:22 kados yea, good idea 00:22 kados where zebraplugin is your dbname 00:22 chris maybe we should just symlink them 00:22 kados # zebraidx commit 00:22 kados # zebraidx -g iso2709 -d kohaplugin update records -n 00:22 kados go: 00:22 kados to import 00:22 chris k 00:22 kados nothing different 00:21 kados and rename it as npl.iso2709 00:21 chris anything? 00:21 kados copy the npl.mrc I gave you over to the records dir 00:21 chris whats different between record.abs and collection.abs ? 00:21 kados so just create a zebra/records dir 00:21 kados record.abs is already committed 00:21 kados here's what you would need to do 00:21 chris clear head always helps 00:21 kados before i go 00:20 chris anyway, go get some sleep 00:20 kados dunno 00:20 chris but why didnt that work for you either 00:20 chris yeah i did bulkmarcimport 00:20 kados which I suspect is the problem 00:20 kados well, you imported differently than me too 00:20 chris i mean 00:20 chris i cant make it not delete 00:19 kados so you can 00:19 kados let me send you my install notes 00:19 chris its tricky as i dont seem to be able to replicate it 00:19 kados thanks 00:18 chris but ill look into it more 00:18 chris i have no idea why the deletes wont work 00:18 chris :) 00:18 kados more beating my head against the wall tomorrow :-) 00:18 chris what we will need to do, is add the sub routines to Search.pm for rel_2_2 not replace Search.pm 00:18 kados heading to bed 00:18 kados I've had enough for tonight :-) 00:17 kados that's gonna wreak havok 00:17 kados yup 00:17 chris right, that will be the problem it must have been in Search.pm in 2_2 00:17 kados ahh .. head I mean 00:17 kados it's in Borrowers.pm in rel_2_2 00:16 chris ahh thats probably in Search.pm 00:16 chris what the hell 00:15 kados great ... 00:15 kados Tue Mar 28 21:17:54 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] Undefined subroutine &main::BornameSearch called at /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/members/member.pl line 80., referer: http://kohatest2.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/MARCdetail.pl?bib=58058 00:15 kados wtf 00:15 kados huh ... member searches 500 00:14 kados like modifies or check-outs 00:14 kados I wonder if anything else works 00:13 kados yea 00:12 chris weird 00:12 kados so something definitely changed 00:12 chris hmm 00:12 kados got a commit start and clean 00:12 kados <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><collection xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim http://www.l ... 00:12 kados 21:11:39-28/03 zebrasrv(26) [log] 3053 bytes: 00:12 kados looks like they imported ok 00:10 chris hmmm 00:10 kados but I can't find them 00:10 chris yep 00:10 kados i imported three records 00:10 kados huh ... 00:09 chris though 00:09 chris itd be good to know if that was the problem 00:09 chris yep 00:07 kados it'd take 4 days 00:07 kados because there's no way we're importing 150K records with perl-zoom 00:07 kados but we still need a way to deal with both types 00:07 chris and see if they delete 00:07 kados I'll do that 00:07 kados yea 00:07 chris you could try bulkmarcimporting 1 or 2 records 00:07 kados so maybe when I index I need to specify something special 00:07 kados huh 00:06 chris before it 00:06 chris </collection> 00:06 chris </idzebra> 00:06 chris <localnumber>44</localnumber> 00:06 chris <size>1454</size> 00:06 chris <idzebra xmlns="http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/"> 00:06 chris </record> 00:06 chris heres where my record bit is 00:06 kados and is wrapped in <record> 00:06 chris plus </record> instead of </collection> 00:06 kados huhso mine has a filename 00:05 chris is how mine finishes 00:05 chris </collection> 00:05 chris </idzebra> 00:05 chris <localnumber>44</localnumber> 00:05 chris <size>1454</size> 00:05 chris <idzebra xmlns="http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/"> 00:05 kados yea, could be 00:05 chris ah maybe ur logs just do that 00:05 kados cause I uncommented my warn 00:05 kados what i pasted above is not my warn 00:05 chris well i have no filename bit 00:04 chris makes it easier to see :) 00:04 chris [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] 00:04 chris all this 00:04 kados huh ... 00:04 chris just the variable 00:04 chris with smart comments you dont get all the stuff in front 00:04 chris hmm thats with ur warn eh 00:04 kados so I'm guessing that's different thank yours 00:04 kados [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] </record>' 00:04 kados [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] </idzebra> 00:03 kados [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] <filename>records/npl.iso2709</filename> 00:03 kados [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] <localnumber>50800</localnumber> 00:03 kados [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] <size>686</size> 00:03 kados [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] <idzebra xmlns="http://www.indexdata.dk/zebra/"> 00:03 kados <snip> 00:03 kados [Tue Mar 28 21:05:43 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] ### $record: '<record xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim"><leader>00686 2200217 4500</leader><controlfield tag="001">105730</controlfield><controlfiel 00:03 kados it's there 00:03 kados yea 00:03 chris in the log 00:03 chris should be just before that heres the record to delete line shows up 00:02 kados ok 00:02 chris it will output it nicely 00:02 chris thats using smart::comments 00:02 kados really? waht woudl that do? 00:02 chris make that ### $record 00:01 kados added a warn, also tried adding a <collection wrapper 00:01 chris where it says ###$record 00:01 kados yea, I did 00:01 chris in get_xml_record 00:01 chris you could edit Search.pm 00:01 kados I put a warn in with the XML 00:01 kados [Tue Mar 28 20:58:15 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] ZOOM error 224 "ES: immediate execution failed" (addinfo: "delete_record failed") from diag-set 'Bib-1' 00:01 kados I [Tue Mar 28 20:58:15 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] heres the record to delete 58058 at /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Biblio.pm line 1001. 00:00 chris it should have the record in xml in it 00:00 chris can u check ur koha-error_log 23:59 chris it just does it 23:59 chris no warns 23:59 chris thats the bit right after the xml bit 23:59 chris 15:22:27-29/03 zebrasrv(13) [log] zebra_end_trans 23:59 chris 15:22:27-29/03 zebrasrv(13) [log] delete grs.xml <no file> 0 23:59 kados starting with the xml bit 23:59 kados could you paste in your log 23:58 kados 20:58:15-28/03 zebrasrv(24) [warn] zebra_delete_record failed r=1 23:58 kados 20:58:15-28/03 zebrasrv(24) [warn] cannot delete record above (seems new) 23:58 chris yep 23:58 kados 20:58:15-28/03 zebrasrv(24) [log] delete grs.xml <no file> 0 23:58 kados well what else could it be 23:57 chris not that i know of 23:57 chris hmmmm 23:55 kados is there a way I can delete in yaz? 23:55 chris i have no idea im afraid, im not sure why it works on mine, but not there 23:55 kados so I'm confused about why it should matter 23:55 kados chris: zebra shouldn't use it anyway 23:54 kados chris: maybe put a collection wrapper back in if one doesn't exist? 23:54 kados chris: I've no idea what to do here 23:33 kados arrg, my head hurts 23:32 chris ahh right 23:32 kados (zebra doesn't create a collection wrapper when you use zebraidx) 23:32 chris could be 23:32 kados cause somewhere we might need <collection> right? 23:32 chris hmm 23:32 kados course, that still might screw things up 23:32 kados with <record> wrapper 23:31 kados I'll drop a replacement XML.pm file in C4 23:31 kados which doesn't use a collection wrapper 23:31 kados cause I indexed them using zebraidx 23:31 kados they went in with a <record> wrapper 23:31 kados when I indexed those records 23:31 chris whats that? 23:31 kados I think I know what the problem is 23:22 kados arrrg 23:22 kados huh ... now my rmmod.pl script says it's not even installed 23:19 kados guess I'll just delete it and reinstall 23:19 kados huh ... I can't seem to find that modif 23:19 chris lets just try with the collection bit 23:18 chris no idea 23:18 kados bit even 23:18 kados huh ... and how do I get that big? 23:17 chris thats needed 23:17 chris <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?> 23:16 chris i might be this bit 23:16 kados right 23:16 chris <collection xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/ ... 23:16 chris <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?> 23:16 chris i get 23:16 kados lemme uncomment that 23:16 chris that might be 23:16 kados could that be it? 23:16 chris ah 23:16 kados to strip out the <collection> tag 23:16 kados ahh ... I did modify my version of MARC::File::XML 23:15 chris right 23:15 kados <record xmlns="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim"><leader>00686 2200217 4500</leader><controlfield tag="001">105730</controlfield><controlfield tag="003">ACLS</contr ... 23:15 kados 20:17:53-28/03 zebrasrv(16) [log] 2189 bytes: 23:15 chris some xml? 23:15 chris whats before the delete bit 23:15 kados 20:17:53-28/03 zebrasrv(16) [warn] zebra_delete_record failed r=1 23:15 kados 20:17:53-28/03 zebrasrv(16) [warn] cannot delete record above (seems new) 23:15 kados 20:17:53-28/03 zebrasrv(16) [log] delete grs.xml <no file> 0 23:15 chris hmmm 23:15 kados same deal 23:14 kados lemme try another biblionumber 23:14 kados [Tue Mar 28 20:16:27 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] ZOOM error 224 "ES: immediate execution failed" (addinfo: "delete_record failed") from diag-set 'Bib-1' 23:14 kados apache has: 23:14 kados huh 23:14 chris 15:06:29-29/03 zebrasrv(8) [log] zebra_end_trans 23:13 chris 15:06:29-29/03 zebrasrv(8) [log] delete grs.xml <no file> 0 23:13 chris <collection xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/ ... 23:13 chris <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?> 23:13 chris 15:06:29-29/03 zebrasrv(8) [log] 1605 bytes: 23:13 kados and it's a 500 error too 23:13 chris i get 23:13 chris i havent seen that error before 23:13 chris interesting 23:13 kados strangely 23:13 kados but the detail page for that record still works 23:12 kados 20:15:03-28/03 zebrasrv(12) [warn] zebra_delete_record failed r=1 23:12 kados 20:15:03-28/03 zebrasrv(12) [warn] cannot delete record above (seems new) 23:12 kados 20:15:03-28/03 zebrasrv(12) [log] delete grs.xml <no file> 0 23:12 kados now I get: 23:12 kados uh 23:12 kados h 23:10 chris i fixed that 23:10 chris get the latest version of Biblio.pm 23:10 chris ah ha 23:09 kados 20:11:40-28/03 zebrasrv(9) [request] EsRequest ERROR 224 only XML update supported 23:09 kados woops 23:09 kados [Tue Mar 28 20:08:17 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] HTML::Template->new() : Cannot open included file /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/default/en/cataloguing/addbiblio.tmpl : file not found. at /usr/share/perl5/HTML/Template.pm line 1580 23:09 kados nopw, but we're close 23:09 chris 15:06:29-29/03 zebrasrv(8) [request] EsRequest OK: Done ! 23:09 chris if you see 23:09 chris zebra log will tell ya 23:09 kados well ... I think it worked 23:07 kados ahh 23:07 chris t 23:07 chris ie, it fails back to the defaul 23:07 chris if it cant find the corresponding npl one 23:07 kados [Tue Mar 28 20:08:17 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] HTML::Template->new() : Cannot open included file /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/default/en/cataloguing/addbiblio.tmpl : file not found. at /usr/share/perl5/HTML/Template.pm line 1580 23:07 chris it will do that 23:07 kados huh ... for some reason it's trying for the default 23:06 chris you should all things going well end up at the catalogue search page 23:05 chris the delete should just do a redirect anyway, not display a template 23:04 chris :) 23:04 kados I'm a dumbass 23:04 kados ha 23:04 chris and its finding the script 23:04 chris thats just for the script isnt it 23:04 chris i think it is 23:04 kados wonder why it's not working 23:04 kados lrwxrwxrwx 1 root jmf 43 Mar 28 18:57 cataloguing -> /home/koha/plugin/rel_2_2/koha/acqui.simple 23:04 kados # ls -l cataloguing 23:03 kados ahh ... so that means my symlink didin't work 23:02 chris ohh the template path? 23:02 chris bibid ? 23:02 kados and add that to the list 23:02 kados ahh ... need to edit addbiblio.pl 23:01 kados ahh 23:01 chris not bilionumber :) 23:01 kados [Tue Mar 28 20:03:50 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] \tHTML::Template::new('HTML::Template', 'filename', '/home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/default/...', 'die_on_bad_params', 0, 'global_vars', 1, 'path', 'ARRAY(0x8de2d64)', ...) called at /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Output.pm line 77 23:01 chris biblionumber 23:01 chris sorry my typo 23:01 kados 500 ing 23:01 kados hmm 23:00 kados k ... I'll try that 23:00 chris will delete that record 23:00 chris yoursite/cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/addbiblio.pl?op=delete&bilionumber=33 23:00 chris this url 23:00 chris anyway 22:59 chris we will want to fix the npl ones anyway 22:59 kados damn it :-) 22:59 chris you could try default 22:59 kados you're using default? 22:59 chris them 22:59 chris i havent tried 22:59 chris ah 22:59 kados npl 22:59 kados rel_2_2 templates 22:58 chris oh and what templates are u using? 22:58 chris does it have somethign like that? 22:58 chris Biblionumber : 33 With Framework 22:58 chris on the MARCdetail.pl page? 22:58 chris better add that to the list 22:58 kados I'll try copying it over 22:57 chris must be 22:57 kados is that a new module in head? 22:57 kados [Tue Mar 28 19:59:30 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] Can't locate C4/Log.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/modules /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/acqui.simple/addbiblio.pl line 30., referer: http://kohatest2.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/MARCdetail.pl?bib=58057 22:57 kados huh 22:57 chris what about from the normal view? 22:57 chris hmm interesting 22:57 chris ohh 22:57 chris cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/addbiblio.pl?op=delete&bibid=33 22:57 kados strange 22:57 kados no id unfortunately 22:57 kados http://kohatest2.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/acqui.simple/addbiblio.pl?op=delete&bibid= 22:56 kados yep 22:56 chris and a url that looks like 22:56 chris (after clicking ok to the javascript prompt) 22:56 chris and ull get a server error probably 22:56 chris just hit delete 22:54 kados I got distracted by the index problem 22:54 kados what did I need to change in the template again? 22:54 kados you deleting from MARCdetail? 22:53 kados ok, I"ll give it a shot 22:52 chris and we are good to go 22:52 chris if we can verify this delete works, i think its just making some template changes (to do the boolean and fix the delete) plus some more fixes to SearchMarc.pm 22:51 kados hehe 22:51 chris but then, its hard to know, since we were flailing around a bit :-) 22:50 chris i seem to remeber it not working if we didnt 22:50 chris dunno 22:50 kados huh ... so maybe we don't even need to 'create' 22:49 chris cool 22:49 kados yep, that did it 22:48 kados yea, I'll bulkmarcimport in a bit 22:48 kados I wonder if I can just change my config file 22:48 chris of course 22:48 chris doh 22:48 kados heh 22:48 kados -d zebraplugin should be -d kohaplugin 22:48 chris what was it? 22:48 kados ahh ... I found it 22:47 chris can u try bulkmarcimporting in a couple? 22:47 chris and it appears to have no records? 22:47 kados then zebrasrv localhost:2100 22:47 kados then another commit 22:47 kados wait ... did a commit before that last one 22:47 kados zebraidx -g iso2709 -d zebraplugin update records -n 22:46 kados zebraidx create kohaplugin 22:46 kados zebraidx init 22:46 kados I ran: 22:45 chris weird 22:45 kados I don't get it 22:44 kados Connected to : localhost:2100/kohaplugin 22:44 kados Z> list_all 22:44 kados yea 22:43 chris but thats by the by 22:43 chris that tells you how many records are in the collection etc 22:43 chris itd be nice to have a command like status 22:43 kados what the heck is going on here 22:42 kados I'm stumped 22:41 kados index files are huge 22:41 kados hmmm 22:41 kados something strange going on here ... I indexed these records, ran commit operation 22:40 kados wft, can't find anything in yaz-client either 22:40 chris but that shouldnt stop results being found 22:40 chris you might need to edit the opac-search.tmpl and put in the <option value="">Relevance</option> bit 22:39 chris ahh 22:39 chris it shouldnt be sorting unless you told it to sort by title or something tho? 22:39 chris hmm dont think so 22:37 kados am I forgetting to change something in opac-search.tmpl or something? 22:37 kados so oddly, KOha's reporting that sort failed, but looks like zebra things it worked 22:36 kados 19:38:25-28/03 zebrasrv(3) [request] Sort OK - (1)->1 22:36 kados 19:38:25-28/03 zebrasrv(3) [log] user/system: 0/0 22:36 kados 19:38:25-28/03 zebrasrv(3) [log] term="the" nn=0 type=rank,w=34,u=4 count=0 22:36 kados 19:38:25-28/03 zebrasrv(3) [request] Search OK 0 1 1+0 RPN: @attrset Bib-1 @attr 5=100 @attr 6=1 @attr 3=3 @attr 1=4 @attr 4=2 @attr 2=102 the 22:35 kados [Tue Mar 28 19:36:45 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] QUERY : dc.title all /relevant "john" at /home/koha/plugin/koha/intranet/modules/C4/SearchMarc.pm line 250., referer: http://opactest2.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 22:35 kados [Tue Mar 28 19:36:22 2006] [error] [client 70.106.189.214] no records found, referer: http://opactest2.liblime.com/ 22:35 kados chris: for some reason I'm getting some errors, none of the searches are working 22:34 kados chris: http://opactest2.liblime.com/ 22:34 kados chris: indexing is done 22:34 kados chris: still around? 22:31 slef ho hum, now's not the time 22:29 slef ok, I can't see why that doesn't work... it's not taking the colour 22:25 slef strangxajxo! 22:21 russ good idea 22:20 slef is it OK if I put a background-color on the header? AIUI, image users should just get the image instead 22:19 russ cool thanks for the feedback 22:18 russ ah right 22:18 slef no easy way to pick between them in the history 22:17 slef they are all titled Kea: koha2 22:17 russ ? 22:17 russ why is that 22:17 russ huh? 22:16 slef navigating back multiple pages is a bit hit-and-miss atm 22:15 slef when you fix the UI, please put something useful in the <title> 22:15 slef hrm, 1 or 2 more nigglies 22:15 russ thanks for updating the css 22:15 russ woo - nice work slef 22:14 slef logbot: have a botsnack 22:14 slef boogie! http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.koha.org%2Fincludes%2Fcss%2Fscreen.css&usermedium=all 22:13 slef koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz doesn't have script execute permission, which I guess that uses as there's no submit button 22:13 russ interesting 22:13 slef thanks - that drop-down menu doesn't work for me ;-) 22:12 russ ah it doesnt do by user though 22:12 russ http://koha2.edit.katipo.co.nz/kaka/findFiles.cgi 22:12 russ drop down menu top right 22:12 russ two secs 22:11 slef ok... can I see a list of my/all recent changes? 22:11 russ slef : yep it sure is 22:11 chris sure is, we are in the process of a UI overhaul 22:11 chris so you can see your trigger request, and then that russel triggered 22:11 slef it's a bit "mystery meat navigation" that 22:10 chris that tells you the history of the file 22:10 russ triggered now 22:10 slef ah, by the file? got it 22:09 chris and ur email under that 22:09 chris i see modified by 22:09 chris ahh you might not have permissions to do that too 22:09 kados bbiab 22:09 slef no, I don't see my email address at the moment. 22:09 kados chris: I'm assuming an actual production system would have the zebradb on a separate partition 22:09 chris click on that 22:08 chris slef, see your email address? 22:08 kados chris: sometime today or tomorrow we should discuss directory locations for the plugin 22:08 chris so you might see notify, i might see trigger (you can set up privileges on a dir by dir basis) 22:08 slef How can I track my file trigger requests? 22:08 kados chris: I'm reindexing now 22:08 kados chris: my plugin script seems to have worked like a charm 22:08 russ there you go 22:07 chris only some users can trigger, others can only notify 22:07 russ but we could have used the word publish or update 22:07 chris the live site lives on a different machine, triggering scp's it to that machine 22:07 slef Cool. Thought I was being stupid again. 22:07 russ it predates my time with katipo and kea 22:07 russ no idea 22:07 slef Why different jargon? 22:07 russ yes 22:06 slef I wondered if that was it. Does the tutorial call it triggering? 22:06 russ and it will send a request for me 22:06 russ and then hit the notify button 22:06 russ yep ok what you need to do is check the box next to the file name 22:04 russ two secs let me look 22:04 slef I've edited the screen.css, but the copy on the site hasn't changed. Do I need to release it somehow? 22:04 russ hi slef 22:04 slef russ: hello? 21:56 chris the latest Biblio.pm (just committed) is the one to use 21:55 chris ah ha 21:54 chris 2 secs 21:51 chris im sure this was working just before 21:51 chris damnit 21:49 kados well, if they're doing a symlinked koha to begin with I assume they are 21:49 kados the edit moredetail and detail to use the right variable 21:49 chris if symlinks are allowed in the apache conf 21:49 chris that might work 21:48 kados (or maybe just create a symlink from cataloguing to acqui.simple, whaday think?) 21:48 kados then modify addbiblio and additem scripts to grab the right template 21:48 chris looks right 21:48 kados opac-detail.pl, opac-MARCdetail.pl, opac-ISBDdetail.pl 21:48 kados OPAC: 21:48 kados addbiblio.pl, additem.pl, detail.pl, MARCdetail.pl, ISBNdetail.pl 21:48 kados INTRANET: 21:48 kados Biblio.pm, Context.pm, SearchMarc.pm, Amazon.pm, Review.pm, Search.pm 21:48 kados MODULES: 21:47 kados chris: could you double-check this. I think these are the only files that need to be copied over: 21:42 kados maybe we need a plugin systempref :-) 21:42 chris to work with the addbiblio.pl thats in head (ie that uses zebra) 21:41 chris so both moredetail.tmpl and detail.tmpl in the default templates 21:41 chris detail.tmpl too 21:40 chris as will the marcdetail.pl as it passes the wrong variable to addbiblio.pl on delete 21:39 chris the search ones will need to be changed 21:39 chris not in recent memory anyway :-) 21:39 chris so far i havent changed any templates 21:38 chris ahh right 21:36 kados (hence my question about Amazon, template, etc.) 21:36 kados (I'm writing a script to handle the plugin) 21:36 kados and that is how you're doing deletions? 21:36 kados ahh ... cool 21:35 chris so get_record you get a MARC::Record get_xml_record, you get the xml that zebra retursn 21:35 chris which we can then use in Biblio.pm to get a record to delete 21:34 chris that hands back an xml rep of the data, given a biblionumber 21:34 chris i just added a get_xml_record to Search.pm 21:33 chris so it should be the same instructions as setting up the plugin was before 21:32 chris the only thing i changed was Search.pm and Biblio.pm 21:32 chris or scripts 21:32 chris i didnt touch templates 21:29 kados (and why is Amazon.pm required? was it throwing an error with the rel_2_2 version/) 21:28 kados chris: did you copy over head versions of the tempaltes too or just the scripts for the plugin? 21:25 chris yeah 21:25 kados well, head is pretty broken at the moment 21:21 chris it should work for head too (the delete) i havent tried it though 21:20 kados thx 21:16 chris email away 21:07 chris will do 21:07 kados yea 21:07 chris want me to respond to that? 21:07 chris see irma's email? 21:07 chris ack 21:06 kados I'm gonna get the plugin going real quick 21:06 chris im running it in the plugin 21:06 kados k 21:06 chris yeah it shold if you edit that url 21:06 kados so you don't expect it will work for the plugin? 21:04 chris addbiblio.pl expects biblionumber, it gets bibid 21:04 chris i cant see that the delete will have actually worked in rel_2_2 anyway 21:04 chris rel_2_2 21:03 kados grrr 21:02 kados so none of the templates are really working 21:02 kados well I'm not actually running the plugin 21:02 kados hmmm 21:01 kados is it a template issue for head or for rel_2_2? 21:01 kados yep 21:01 chris (template issue to fix) 21:01 kados k, I'll give it a shot 21:01 chris and then it oughta delete 21:01 kados heh 21:01 chris if it throws a server error, edit the url and change the bibid= to biblionumber= 21:00 chris then try a delete 21:00 kados k 21:00 chris if you update to the latest Biblio.pm and Search.pm 21:00 kados nice 21:00 chris sure did 21:00 chris no worries 21:00 kados sorry, took a long dinner :-) 21:00 kados chris: got it working? 19:07 chris heh 19:07 rach wow joshua is actually not on irc :-) 19:03 chris holy crap it worked 18:48 kados bbiab, gonna head to the gym 18:46 chris ahh 18:46 kados so i would have expected all of her examples to do that on the old koha 18:46 kados gloria's known for complaining that a search returns like 100 pages of results 18:46 kados well , there's some history here :-) 18:43 chris title how we have it set up,searches a lot more with zebra 18:42 chris i bet its searching less fields on the current koha 18:42 kados I wonder why gloria used it as an example 18:42 kados only has 18 results 18:42 kados now interestingly, that same search on NPL's current catalog 18:40 kados mainly just testing to see how the ranking algo works :-) 18:39 kados hehe 18:39 owen Great, now we're search-engine spamming our MARC records! 18:39 chris i bet it would, if you put it in the 246 field :) 18:38 kados if it would come up first :-) 18:38 kados huh, I wonder if I add the word tango like 10 times to the record 18:37 kados with proximity being first 18:37 chris you could try seeing if you could change the relevance 18:37 kados but probably as the second relevance consideration 18:37 kados that definitely makes sense 18:37 kados yea 18:37 chris that appears to be how it works 18:36 chris which makes it more relevant the one that just has tango once 18:36 chris once in 246 and once in 245 18:36 chris in title 18:36 chris that has tango twice 18:36 chris http://kohatest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-MARCdetail.pl?bib=53677 18:36 kados at least it's on the first page :-) 18:35 kados title 18:35 chris title or keyword? 18:35 kados search on 'Tango' doesn't pull up that record first 18:35 chris which means that now we have the /relevant it will come back relevance ranked 18:35 chris so if you choose relevance, it wont sort by anything else 18:34 kados k 18:34 chris ie, relevance passes nothing through 18:34 chris relevance doesnt do anything 18:34 kados but still, the first record isn't 'the civil war' like NPL expects 18:34 chris no 18:34 kados definitely different ranking than before 18:33 kados s/in/is/ 18:33 kados search on 'the civil war' in interesting 18:33 kados http://kohatest.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl 18:33 kados so when you get back, do I need to get rid of the 'relevance' ranking option to use the new relevance rank? 18:29 kados thd: check pmesg 18:29 kados cool 18:25 chris an error, ill figure it out, but now i gotta go do something else, ill be back looking into it in a bit 18:25 chris still gettting 18:25 chris naw nothing 18:25 kados did it go and delete everything? :-) 18:23 chris hey, what the??? 18:14 kados I suspected that 18:14 kados yea 18:06 chris we do need to pass the whole record 18:05 chris $p->option(record => content_of("/tmp/record.xml")); 18:05 chris so if im reading this right 17:44 kados bbiab 17:44 kados I'm gonna grab a drink while this index runs 17:43 kados that would rock :-) 17:43 kados maybe it'll do everything NPL wants :-) 17:43 kados cool 17:43 chris difference even 17:43 kados zebraidx is crazy fast 17:43 chris the /relevant does a make a different 17:43 chris cool 17:43 chris ahh then you will :-) 17:43 kados it only takes about 5 minutes now 17:43 kados well, I already scraped the db 17:42 chris you shouldnt need to 17:42 kados k, I'm reindexing 17:42 kados yep 17:42 chris which i think you had already? 17:42 chris only that melm 942$c Material-type,Material-type:w 17:42 chris nope 17:42 kados cuz I need to merge those changes into record.abs if so 17:41 kados (before I reindex) 17:41 chris lemme check 17:41 chris it does for me 17:41 kados have you changed collection.abs lately? 17:40 chris you can try it with or without the /relevant .. and see if the order changes 17:40 chris for the search 17:40 chris its now setting @attr 2=102 17:40 chris but by adding the /relevant 17:39 chris it could have been doing it default 17:38 kados ie, what is kohatest.liblime.com 's relevance ranking? 17:38 chris is being set 17:38 kados so what was it doing before? 17:38 chris @attr 2=102 17:38 chris im sure it is now tho 17:38 kados interesting 17:38 chris nope 17:38 kados I thought it already was 17:38 chris i dont think it was before 17:38 kados k ... will do 17:38 chris its doing relevance ranking now 17:38 chris you might want to have a play with the latest pqf.properties and searchmarc.pm 17:37 kados :-) 17:37 kados yea ... shelve the ranking for now 17:37 chris for a start 17:37 chris ill be happy if i can get this fuzzy to work 17:37 kados there are a bunch of ranking algorithms in zebra 17:36 kados http://indexdata.dk/zebra/NEWS 17:36 chris you can just tell it to do it 17:36 kados ahh ... there's a bit about it in the NEWS file 17:36 chris i have no idea how you change the relevance ranking 17:36 kados ahh , does it require mapping in the pqf file? 17:35 kados no? 17:35 kados and NPL could decide which to go with 17:35 chris im not sure you can change that on the fly? 17:35 kados so we could compare how they differ 17:35 kados also, it'd be sweet if we could have a selection box that included rank1, rank2, rank3 17:35 kados yea, so a checkbox might be nice 17:34 kados cool 17:34 chris nope its not 17:34 chris dont think so 17:33 kados (is fuzzy another one of the ranking algorythms?) 17:33 kados to see which does a better job 17:33 kados if it could be a checkbox they coudl compare with and without 17:33 kados I'd say the same goes for fuzzy searching 17:32 kados they kinda know what to expect intuitively 17:32 chris cool 17:32 kados since they use the system every day 17:32 kados their feedback was really helpful 17:32 kados during our next search meeting 17:32 kados so that NPL can decide what they want by default 17:32 chris yeah 17:32 kados like a checkbox or something 17:32 kados is to make it an option 17:32 kados what we need 17:31 kados it's a tough one 17:31 chris if i go map* tho 17:31 kados right 17:31 chris with zebra, ill just find map 17:31 kados right 17:31 chris ill find map, maps, mapping 17:31 kados got it 17:31 chris if i search map 17:31 chris current koha 17:31 chris ok 17:31 chris or do we want the user to type something* 17:31 kados remind me what that does again? 17:30 chris do we want to do truncation by default 17:30 kados yep 17:30 chris the other question 17:23 kados so I barely exist :-) 17:22 russ wow! 17:22 kados all of which go live before the end of April 17:21 kados we've got 5 migrations happening all at the same time :-) 17:21 kados we've just been so swamped here this month 17:21 kados interesting 17:21 kados tina's almost done with a graphic 17:21 russ most of the ones from the website have been from africa 17:21 kados and we're going to send some emails out too 17:21 russ and i expect most of the registrations to come from that 17:20 kados if I get around to it I'll post a note to liblimes site 17:20 russ i know that paul and ineo are doing a direct mail campaign 17:20 kados cool 17:20 russ so about 10 so far 17:20 kados right 17:20 russ well these are just the ones from the website 17:20 kados how many do we have? 17:20 kados hi russ 17:20 kados woot 17:19 russ hi there 17:16 chris i think 17:16 chris which should be 5=103 17:16 chris Search OK 2 1 1+0 RPN: @attrset Bib-1 @attr 5=100 @attr 6=1 @attr 3=3 @attr 4=2 @attr 2=3 @attr 1=4 distant 17:16 kados right :) 17:16 chris for the fuzzy search im still getting 17:16 chris sorry, mike taylor's sig 17:15 kados huh 17:15 chris so i dont think i got this fuzzy thing right 17:15 chris gotta love ppl who quote jello biafra as their sig 16:09 kados thd: check for a private msg