Time  Nick       Message
11:58 thd        pierrick: I am pleased to know that there is no absolute commitment to an in house proprietary ILS where they might want to protect the market they had already with their own in house software.
11:55 pierrick   what I'm sure about is that INEO waits for a first complete success project with Koha, that's why I'm here
11:53 thd        s/scalability/performance and response time scalability/
11:53 pierrick   I don't know the strategy in the long run thd, I know things and I guess others :-)
11:53 thd        pierrick: large is also an issue for scalability to collections with millions of records.
11:52 thd        pierrick: I should have said libraries with complex collections and complex record needs
11:51 thd        pierrick: well large is perhaps not the appropriate term
11:50 pierrick   what do you call a "large library" ?
11:50 pierrick   I believe that if first experiences are really positive, INEO will try to promote Koha in larger libaries
11:50 thd        pierrick: I was trying to gauge the interest Ineo had in improving the features of Koha so that it could serve large libraries.
11:48 thd        pierrick: I was trying to discover if Ineo would plan only to have Koha serve small libraries even if it could serve much larger libraries in future.
11:47 pierrick   why those questions ?
11:46 pierrick   s{do be}{to be}
11:46 pierrick   thd, INEO has some partnership with several ILS I think (do be confirmed)
11:45 pierrick   (and for myself, working as an integrator is something new, I used to work for an editor previously)
11:45 thd        pierrick: So Ineo, has no vested interest in any particular system except for the user management system that you described.
11:45 pierrick   Koha participation is something new to INEO
11:43 pierrick   yes, INEO is a software integrator (and not a software editor)
11:42 thd        pierrick: Does Ineo markets services using other companies software based on whatever software is best suited to the library?
11:42 pierrick   but INEO does not develop any ILS, they integrated the more appropriate ILS depending on customer needs
11:41 pierrick   such as one computer can only open the OPAC
11:41 pierrick   I mean... for computers in libraries
11:41 pierrick   thd, INEO develops a kind of "supersoftware" to limitate OS capabilities
11:40 pierrick   thd, no
11:40 pierrick   I hope I will go this week, but I was confirmed
11:40 thd        pierrick: Does Ineo develop its own software for serving large clients?
11:39 pierrick   thd, I was ill at the end of last week and my colleagues are very busy this week in our client offices
11:38 pierrick   thd, no I didn't :-/
11:36 thd        pierrick: Did you take a visit to a large Ineo client as you had been planning?
11:35 pierrick   kados, another question for you :-)
11:34 thd        kados: are you around?
11:25 osmoze     ++ all
06:12 osmoze     non, sauf si tu payes ;)
06:07 pierrick   le texte entier est accessible en ligne?
06:07 pierrick   oui, hdl me l'a fait remarque
06:03 osmoze|out pierrick c est juste le resumé
05:30 pierrick   KOHA est un système intégré de gestion de bibliothèque (SIGB) en « Open Source », donc en distribution libre sans paiement de droits d'utilisation. C'est aussi le premier logiciel de gestion de bibliothèque libre au monde, qui respecte les normes internationales (Marc, Z39.50 et ISO2709) spécifiques à ce type d'outil.
05:30 pierrick   KOHA, le futur logiciel documentaire de la médiathèque intercommunale
05:29 pierrick   le texte est tout petit:
05:29 pierrick   bizarre, j'y accede bien moi
05:27 hdl        oui osmoze. J'aurais du le préciser.
05:27 osmoze     <hdl> Je n'ai pas accès à la page du magazine que tu cites. Ce serait possible de me la faire parvenir ? <-- c est pour moi ca ?
05:25 hdl        C'était un problème de passage à la nouvelle interface du site.
05:25 hdl        No prob.
05:25 pierrick   hdl, merci pour le document sur l'editeur MARC :-)
05:25 hdl        Je n'ai pas accès à la page du magazine que tu cites. Ce serait possible de me la faire parvenir ?
05:24 osmoze     merci
05:24 osmoze     ok, j attend demain sans probleme mais c etait pour en avoir le coeur net ^^
05:23 hdl        :)
05:23 hdl        Normalement, si tu peux attendre Mercredi, une version Française va arriver.
05:23 hdl        pierrick: ok
05:23 osmoze     hdl > une reponse ou je presente tout a mon president en anglais ? ;)
05:21 hdl        pierrick: Je rétablis ce lien tout de suite.
05:19 pierrick   osmoze, il y a aura une presentation en francais au moins sur les mailing-list des bibliothecaires, la mailing-liste d'info Koha en francais
05:17 pierrick   hdl, http://www.koha-fr.org/MARC-E.pdf
05:17 pierrick   hdl, les documents sur l'editeur MARC sont inaccessible sur koha-fr.org, tu saurais m'aider a les trouver ?
05:16 osmoze     pierrick, pour les inscription je parle, en gros, que cette page : http://www.koha.org/community/conferences/usergroup.html soit en francais
05:15 pierrick   certaines presentations seront en anglais, mais traduites a la volee en theorie
05:15 pierrick   osmoze, Kohacon day1 et day2 sont officiellement en français
05:02 osmoze     (c est pour la demande a mon président)
05:02 osmoze     par contre, une petite question, la pres de la kohaconf est en anglais, vas t il y avoir une version francisé ?
05:01 osmoze     (avec l install phpmyadmin, pas l autre)
05:01 osmoze     non, j ai pas continuer car j ai eu un probleme perl...J avoue ne pas avoir pousser plus que cela, je recommence dans la journée
05:01 hdl        ou bien tu as abandonné, signe que c'est TRES mauvais ?
05:01 hdl        Tu as pu tester plus en détail la doc que j'ai mise à disposition ?
05:00 osmoze     c est plutot gazeux ce matin :(
05:00 hdl        ca gaze ?
05:00 hdl        bonjour osmoze
05:00 osmoze     bonjour hdl
04:26 pierrick   hi osmoze
04:21 osmoze     hello from France :)
18:03 slef       owen: it's just an illustration. The diagnosis is all in the validation reports.
17:48 owen       slef: if you're posting a screenshot like that in order to help diagnose/solve a problem with a site, you have to put it in context.
17:40 slef       owen: The most severe are because the CSS is semi-complete, as described in the validator's warning output.
17:38 owen       But all the problems with your screenshot are a result of your browsing environment, not the validations problems
17:37 slef       owen: neither the xhtml nor the CSS validate. My browsing environments are not very relevant.
17:35 owen       I think the ideal you espouse is a worthy goal, but it's a bit misleading to tell someone their site is broken without explaining the details of your browsing environment
17:34 slef       As mentioned, I was going to check if the login details I had let me fix it and not complain until after that. I didn't realise some news only appeared on the web site now.
17:32 slef       owen: sorry. The "it's your fault for setting your browser to be comfortable" subtext is a bit annoying.
17:20 slaf       owen: web users have a range of settings. Sites which can't cope with a fairly minor eyesight problem are very buggy.
17:18 slaf       owen: sites which follow www.w3.org/TR/WCAG are fine.
17:17 owen       Besides maybe plain text?
17:17 owen       slaf: with a setup like that, is there anything on the internet that /doesn't/ look like crap for you?
17:17 slaf       I'd use white not yellow, but enough sites use a white background with no text colour that I'd never know there was text there!
17:17 osmoze     good night paul :)
17:17 slaf       no, just default colours of yellow-on-navy to make it nicer to read
17:16 owen       And a user stylesheet that turns some text yellow?
17:16 slaf       owen: yes, no images most of the time
17:15 slaf       owen: firefox-based/GoboLinux/512x640ish
17:15 owen       slef: images turned off?
17:15 russ       09:14AM|<owen> slef: using what browser/platform/browser dimensions?
17:15 russ       09:14AM|<chris> yikes no wonder you dont look at it
17:15 russ       09:13AM|<russ> later today
17:15 russ       09:13AM|<russ> i will post to koha, koha-dev, and koha-win32
17:15 russ       09:13AM|<slef> http://g.towers.org.uk:70/ss.png is how I see www.koha.org since the redesign
17:15 russ       
17:14 slaf       what was my last line?
17:14 slaf       damn intercontinental links
17:14 owen       slef: using what browser/platform/browser dimensions?
17:14 chris      yikes no wonder you dont look at it
17:13 russ       later today
17:13 russ       i will post to koha, koha-dev, and koha-win32
17:13 slef       http://g.towers.org.uk:70/ss.png is how I see www.koha.org since the redesign
17:13 osmoze     excuse me, but my mother doen't love to be cut on dinner ;)
17:13 russ       rachel is proof reading an annoucnement for me
17:13 russ       slef - as i mentioned earlier
17:13 paul       can I leave ?
17:12 paul       osmoze arrives really late. meeting is closing !
17:12 osmoze     hello
17:12 pierrick   'night #koha
17:12 paul       for french, we have 3 very large mailing lists. And Ineo will send a mail to the 300 largest french libraries.
17:11 paul       I let russ answer for english.
17:11 slef       What is the plan for announcing kohacon to mailing lists? When and where do announcements go?
17:11 kados      slef: not at all of course
17:10 paul       in french we say "pouf" too ;-)
17:10 pierrick   so do I, long night waiting for me (kid's ill)
17:10 slef       kados: poof is a pejorative term to denote a homosexual. Is that what you wanted to say about shaun and ben?
17:10 paul       ok. I'll be on irc on wednesday. tomorrow, i'll be with OUEST PROVENCE.
17:10 thd        paul: poof is the sound of disappearance
17:10 paul       and i've got to get some sleep !
17:10 kados      so I'm gonna close the meeting
17:10 paul       ok.
17:10 kados      anyway, I've got to get something to eat before I fall over
17:10 chris      (shaun and ben, disappeared back into the ether)
17:09 paul       poof ?
17:09 kados      <poof> :-)
17:09 kados      chris: exactly what we thought would happen to them :-)
17:09 kados      http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2&warning=2&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fkoha.org%2F
17:09 chris      i wonder what happened to them
17:09 kados      looks like the html is missing a </meta> tag
17:09 russ       but i am pretty sure that both shaun and bob looked at that
17:08 russ       i didnt do the css
17:08 slef       russ: have you validated the css?
17:08 russ       weird - first i have heard of this
17:07 pierrick   chris, I'm also RSS connected to your blog ;-)
17:07 chris      ta
17:07 slef       chris: aye
17:07 slef       1mo, will screenshot
17:07 chris      bad css slef?
17:07 slef       russ: illegible here, so I don't visit www.koha.org much.
17:07 russ       http://www.koha.org/community/conferences/index.html
17:06 paul       I'm just waiting for ineo confirmation. I let russ take care of the english announcement.
17:06 chris      slef: im pleased someone looks at my blog :-)
17:06 slef       russ: web site is still not legible. I know I have login, so I wanted to look whether I can fix before bugreporting.
17:06 chris      but we were waiting for a few more details, to do the big announcement is that right?
17:06 paul       i'm just waiting for a confirmation from ineo to adv french librarians
17:06 thd        kados: I guessed that was the reason :)
17:06 russ       it has been on the website for about 2 weeks
17:06 chris      ahh
17:05 kados      thd: i can't announce it publicly :-)
17:05 russ       i had hoped to get it out there yesterday
17:05 slef       chris: first I heard about dates was your blog.
17:05 chris      just the main koha list to announce too?
17:05 thd        kados: what was bringing you to Europe otherwise?
17:05 russ       rach is proofing my annoucnement at the moment
17:05 chris      i think its been on koha-devel ?
17:05 slef       When will this be announced to mailing lists?
17:05 chris      and then, we thought, we may as well have a bit for librarians too
17:05 kados      :-)
17:04 paul       but i'm very happy with this !
17:04 paul       when I suggested this meeting I didn't imagine, even a second, kiwis would come !
17:04 chris      and we thought, how about a developer get together
17:04 slef       if it is possible at all
17:04 thd        paul: I did not see the answer for DevWeek and the roadmap only chris demonstrates differences in searching for the convention
17:04 slef       Yes, that's the problem. May 1 is mayday here IIRC, so travel is going to be hell
17:04 chris      basically kohacon sprang out of the fact kados was going to be in europe
17:04 slef       ah, that's more understandable
17:03 paul       * in France there are many many many closed days in April/May, so it was really hard to find a correct date !
17:03 paul       * choosen because joshua will be in Geneva just before this KohaCon
17:03 slef       kados: how/why?
17:02 paul       thd : yes
17:02 kados      slef: those are the dates we picked :-)
17:02 kados      ha
17:02 thd        paul: was your question about the  roadmap in relation to DevWeek answered?
17:02 slef       Why those dates?
17:02 kados      go ahead slef
17:02 kados      I think we're done eh?
17:01 slef       can I ask some kohacon questions when you're done?
17:01 paul       yep russ
17:01 russ       paul did you get my email with all theq's?
17:01 paul       it will begin at 9:30, not before.
17:01 kados      sounds good
17:01 paul       (wednesday hopefully)
17:01 paul       i'll update the wiki this week. is it OK ?
17:01 russ       we are flying half way round the world to attend, it is important to us :-)
17:00 russ       yep it is the detail i am after
17:00 paul       right. we still have to detail this.
17:00 kados      yep
17:00 russ       all that stuff needs to be sorted
16:59 paul       around 1 hour
16:59 russ       will there be breaks
16:59 russ       what time will be starting
16:59 russ       how long will each talk be
16:59 paul       the only missing guy is the 1st one.
16:59 paul       isn't http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=KohaCon enough for instance ?
16:59 russ       or do you need some help organising this?
16:58 russ       paul - have you and ineo set a programme yet?
16:58 russ       but i am not sure if one exsists yet
16:58 russ       i am very keen to publish a programme for the koha con on the website
16:57 russ       cheers
16:57 kados      russ, this is your baby I believe
16:57 kados      sounds good
16:57 paul       ok, next topic then ?
16:56 russ       possibly
16:55 chris      and use those?
16:55 chris      russ: we could for the demo's sake, steal the plain templates we did for opus
16:55 pierrick   chris++
16:55 chris      show the diffreence
16:55 russ       still need a little bit of design time
16:54 chris      same records
16:54 chris      on the same machine
16:54 chris      thd: i want to have 2 koha's running, one using zebra, one not
16:54 paul       + few pages improved
16:54 paul       russ : what about just having a nice css on prog ?
16:54 pierrick   russ, that's why not every page must be fancy for KohaCon
16:54 thd        chris: what aspect of that is a feature to make an audience happy rather than merely showing the internal workings?
16:53 russ       that doesnt leave much time to do a fancy template
16:53 paul       the look will probably be the most important part of the demo ;-)
16:53 paul       pierrick ++
16:53 chris      we can certainly show off searching using zebra, and ill have the freetext cql interface going too
16:52 chris      the searching
16:52 paul       even if uncomplete, of course.
16:52 thd        kados: i think he is asking what in the roadmap will be ready for demonstration on day 2
16:52 paul       I hope we won't have only a roadmap, but a product to show ;-)
16:51 kados      paul: are you asking whether we'll have a fancy looking koha roadmap for the KohaCon?
16:51 paul       and also have to plan what we will do on devWeek
16:50 paul       (quite late, my english becomes poor...)
16:50 paul       s/do/be/ you're right
16:50 slef       paul: do or be?
16:50 paul       we will have to show something to librarians on day 2
16:50 thd        what does that question mean?
16:50 paul       it's a question for the release manager : where should we do for KohaCon ?
16:49 kados      (I assume that was also you)
16:49 kados      ok ... so ... paul, last question: RoadMap
16:49 russ       cool owen
16:49 paul       ok, great
16:47 chris      but without navigation, they are sometimes hard to use
16:47 paul       then I think katipo already candidate to make something nice.
16:47 owen       they're not supposed to look good :)
16:47 chris      i dont think the prog ones have to look good
16:47 russ       ah
16:47 paul       no, to complete them 1st
16:47 kados      paul: do you mean who will build the '3.0 fancy tempaltes'?
16:47 russ       is that what you mean?
16:46 russ       to make them look good?
16:46 paul       who candidate ?
16:46 paul       ok, who plan to improve them ?
16:45 owen       paul: they should be 'first draft' complete, but without the enhancements you and I discussed (more navigation menus, ID'd blocks, etc)
16:45 kados      owen: any thoughts?
16:45 paul       could anyone confirm my feeling ?
16:45 thd        kados: as long as is still a constant for those of us still spinning at the same rate :(
16:45 paul       thus I think they are complete. But can't be sure
16:44 chris      ohh cool
16:44 paul       * are PROG complete ? i've seen owen has added some prog for OPC
16:44 kados      I mean for the meeting
16:44 kados      thd: it's 10:45pm in France :-)
16:43 thd        kados: which time do you mean?
16:43 paul       yep.
16:43 kados      also added by paul?
16:43 kados      PROG template status?
16:43 kados      I fear we're going to run out of time fast
16:43 chris      (for head)
16:42 chris      paul, ill try to do an updated mail when theres something good to look at
16:42 chris      the search forms can be simplified
16:41 chris      thd: something like that
16:40 chris      Search.pm is going to need quite a bit more work
16:40 thd        chris: so do you mean that obviously the conversion step between SQL and CQL will be eliminated?
16:40 chris      the plugin part (ie SearchMarc.pm and Biblio.pm) is pretty stable now
16:40 paul       ok, i'll try to investigate your code. when do you think it will be stabilised enough ?
16:39 chris      thd: currently we get things from the form like biblio.title="some book" .. which we then convert to title all "some book" in CQL and pass to zebra
16:37 chris      as I have been concentrating on it lately
16:37 chris      SearchMarc.pm does the most things at the moment (sorting, etc)
16:37 chris      Search.pm in head will be the new API
16:37 chris      SearchMarc.pm in head will work with the existing search files
16:36 chris      for 3.0 we have a chance to tidy up the .pl files as well
16:36 paul       so where is the best code ? in head or in 2.2-zebra plugin ?
16:36 thd        chris: how will it be different for 3.0?
16:36 chris      so that without needing to change much, you can get zebra going
16:35 chris      SearchMarc.pm is a drop in replacement for the SearchMarc.pm in 2.2.x
16:35 kados      ahh
16:35 chris      is not going to be how 3.0 does it
16:35 chris      the way SearchMarc.pm does the search
16:35 kados      I detailed them in my search report sent to koha-zebra
16:35 kados      we're still missing some things
16:34 chris      file even
16:34 chris      it all depends on how we build the pqf.properties fiel
16:33 chris      maybe kados
16:33 chris      i have been working on the 2.2 plugin recently paul
16:33 kados      chris: will that code eventually support the full CQL hierarchy?
16:33 chris      there is on head
16:33 paul       there is no possibility for the user to enter a CQL query directly ?
16:33 chris      i have to tidy it up, and put it in C4::Search
16:32 kados      paul: it's where we are at currently with searching
16:32 chris      paul: I have been working in C4::SearchMarc.pm
16:31 kados      paul: http://kohatest.liblime.com/
16:31 chris      so that the results are returned in relevance rank from zebra, but we can then resort them by title, or author etc
16:31 paul       do you have builded an API for queries ?
16:31 chris      last week we got sorting working
16:31 paul       yes, I just wanted to read chris on this
16:31 kados      chris: want to give us an update on that?
16:30 kados      Zebra integration (CQL in Koha) ... also paul>?
16:30 kados      to confirm that pierrick 's solution works
16:30 kados      I will get a utf-8 mysql Koha running this week
16:30 kados      sure
16:30 paul       we end this topic and reach the next one ?
16:30 kados      (but assumed that something else was discovered)
16:30 pierrick   (no access to my working station)
16:30 kados      (I _thought_ pierrick had done so via an email)
16:29 pierrick   kados, no you can't I just made screenshots
16:29 kados      right
16:29 paul       OK, so you just have to explain what you did !
16:29 kados      pierrick: can we view this?
16:29 paul       pierrick : do you still think you're OK
16:29 pierrick   kados, I confirm
16:29 kados      thd: now's not the time
16:29 kados      pierrick: can you confirm whether you have a working Koha with mysql tables specifying utf-8?
16:29 thd        kados: Is the encodingcharacter encoding set in 0000/09 wrong?
16:29 pierrick   :-/ I thought it was OK
16:28 paul       right.
16:28 kados      so it seems like our UNICODE status is that we're still unresolved
16:27 kados      thd: no idea
16:27 kados      paul: also, I have not attempted to change default char encoding in mysql yet
16:27 thd        kados: why is the leader incorrect?
16:27 kados      paul: just today ... I've been trying to fix it ... driving me nuts!
16:27 kados      paul: I discovered a new bug with the new cvs MARC editor for existing records in a Koha database with incorrect leader
16:26 paul       (too : getting sick)
16:26 paul       pierrick & kados, you have something working correctly, while I don't.
16:26 thd        paul: if I query for C?zanne when my system which is not set to UTF-8 the query will fail unless it is normalised for UTF-8 at the server side which seems simple enough to me
16:26 kados      I'm really getting sick of encoding issues :-)
16:26 kados      paul: but it was in there (sent to koha-zebra I believe)
16:26 kados      paul: I can't find the message that Tumer sent regarding utf-8 and zebra
16:25 kados      and concentrate on getting utf-8 to actually work for those of us with the utf-8 locale
16:25 paul       (+ it's already 10:30 pm in europe ;-) )
16:25 paul       right
16:25 pierrick   thd, locale is not about encoding (utf-8 is an encoding) but about a character set you can type with your keyboard and display on your screen
16:25 kados      but i suggest we ignore that for now
16:24 kados      so thd has a point
16:24 kados      regardless of browser
16:24 kados      I've seen it before on my gentoo workstation
16:24 kados      if your locale does not support utf-8 it won't work
16:24 paul       which browser do you use ?
16:24 thd        paul: It does not on my system
16:23 pierrick   paul, you don't miss anything
16:23 paul       (unless i'm still missing something !)
16:23 paul       but that's not a problem thd : the browser take care of everything
16:23 thd        however, most users not on the special systems at the library itself will not have a UTF-8 locale
16:22 kados      thd: right now the priority is getting utf-8 to work!
16:22 kados      thd: we can bring up supporting older browsers when we resolve the utf-8 problems' we're having
16:22 thd        pierrick: well I identify legacy systems for the user at home.
16:21 paul       repeat all what I have to do to be sure I haven't missed something
16:21 pierrick   thd, supporting utf-8 is a prerequisite, obviously... and which recent browser does not support utf-8 ???
16:21 kados      paul: are you sure you changed all of zebra's config files to utf-8?
16:21 paul       * with binmode, zebra datas are OK, but mysql datas are no more !
16:20 paul       * without binmode, zebra datas are wrong, but mysql datas are OK (marc description)
16:20 thd        pierrick: only if the client supports UTF-8
16:20 pierrick   we force browser side to be utf-8, not matter the client locale
16:20 paul       but on MARCdetail.pl I have wrong results :
16:19 thd        hdl: exactly which is why every string should be converted in any case
16:19 pierrick   hdl, what do you mean "different locales" ?
16:19 pierrick   hdl, no problem to insert utf-8
16:19 pierrick   IMO, Koha works with UTF-8, 99,99%
16:18 hdl        But we shall have to insert. Or to take into account that users may have different locales.
16:18 paul       but why do I have a problem ?
16:18 pierrick   as long as we only do "insert", "select", "print", no problem I think, I see even
16:17 hdl        But if you have a select with some accentuated characters, Don't we need "processing" ?
16:17 pierrick   paul, no, in my mind "select" and "print" does not process the string, sorry for my vocabulary, I was not clear enough
16:16 pierrick   I mean things like inline replacement on non-ASCII characters, string length calculation
16:16 paul       is "show the string in the template" not something "processed" ?
16:16 pierrick   retrieving many strings is absolutely not a problem, processing strings can be
16:15 paul       I wanted to say that we have to retrieve many strings from mySQL as well as from zebra.
16:14 chris      im wondering what the answer to pierricks question is too
16:14 kados      chris: any input on this?
16:12 paul       * many many other parameters tables (itemtype description, ...)
16:12 paul       * borrowers
16:12 paul       * marc_*_structure
16:12 paul       but we have :
16:11 pierrick   if not, the problem is not that big
16:11 thd        I did not mean permanently but temporarily, relative to hacking the DBD module
16:11 pierrick   do we need to process strings coming from Mysql in Perl ?
16:10 kados      hehe
16:10 thd        :)
16:10 paul       somthing like a cancer ?
16:10 kados      thd: quite painful :-)
16:10 thd        paul: how painful would switching to Postgres be actually?
16:08 paul       the last one being to switch from mysql to something else I think we only have 2, you're right
16:08 thd        paul: Is that the full list of options? Those 2?
16:08 paul       right
16:08 pierrick   (decode every string is not a satisfaying solution)
16:06 paul       * we rewrite all subs to decode everything from mysql
16:06 pierrick   do we need to process strings in Perl ?
16:05 paul       * either we succeed to get an improved DBD::mysql
16:05 paul       we are back to what I thought 2 months ago :
16:05 pierrick   not so big
16:05 paul       (mail on koha-zebra from pierrick, 21th, march)
16:05 kados      paul: what's that?
16:04 paul       seems the solution we have found still hides a big problem.
16:03 paul       1 st question : UNICODE status
16:03 kados      take us away :-)
16:03 paul       yep
16:03 kados      paul, some of this you added, eh?
16:03 kados      first up is News and Questions
16:02 kados      so, the agenda is at http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27
16:01 kados      great, nice crowd
16:01 chris      ive seen it
16:01 kados      not me
16:01 paul       who knows http://sourceforge.net/projects/jkoha ?
16:00 chris      here
16:00 kados      so who's about?
16:00 kados      time for a roll call, eh?
16:00 kados      ok ... it's 20:00
15:59 kados      http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27
15:59 kados      T-MINUS TWO MINUTES TO KOHA MEETING
15:56 russ       hiya chris
15:56 hdl        hi
15:56 chris      morning
15:55 russ       i reckon
15:55 kados      bout 5 minutes eh?
15:51 russ       hi kados
15:51 kados      morning russ
15:50 russ       morning all
15:06 slef       22:00 CET 8-/
15:06 paul       20:00 GMT
15:06 slef       so 20:00 +0000
15:06 paul       hi slef. In 1 hour
15:06 slef       20:00 GMT or 21:00 CET?
15:05 slef       erm, when is meeting?
15:05 paul       (3 questions)
15:04 paul       wiki updated
15:03 kados      well, you can attend every two weeks :-)
15:02 kados      if you have anything to add, feel free
15:02 paul       in fact, my main concern is to have a meeting every week. It would be easier for me to have one once every 2 weeks.
15:02 kados      http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27
15:02 kados      here's the meeting agenda:
15:02 paul       yep
15:02 kados      right, so 9:00pm for you eh?
15:01 kados      and still early for NZ :(
15:01 paul       (et are now in summer time, so we are GMT+2)
15:01 kados      I know it's late for you
15:01 kados      yes
15:01 paul       meeting in 1 hour isn't it ?
15:01 paul       hi kados.
15:00 kados      hi paul_away
14:19 kados      sweet
14:19 slef       Now the clocks have changed, I can probably make that.
14:18 kados      GMT 20:00
14:18 slef       What time is the meeting?
14:13 slef       was kohaCon discussed on koha-devel?
14:12 kados      tim: it's also hard because there's no sane way to tell the difference between utf-8 and marc-8 by just the characters themselves
14:11 kados      tim: and it seems we can't always trust the leader to tell us which they are
14:10 kados      tim: this is especially tricky because your data has both marc-8 and utf-8 characters
14:10 kados      http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=AgendAndNotes06mar27
14:10 kados      slef: noone
14:09 slef       kados: for the agenda
14:09 kados      slef: for the koha wiki?
14:09 slef       kados: who can edit topic?
14:09 slef       kados: URL?
14:09 kados      tim: give me a few more minutes
14:09 kados      tim: I'm still working on a solution here
14:08 kados      agenda's on the wiki
14:08 tim        kados: I don't do the cataloging.  I don't know if that's the correct way of entering it.  I'm guessing it's not.
14:08 kados      I can't edit topic
14:07 slef       How?
14:07 slef       "You can view the logs of #koha using logbot. "
14:07 slef       can you put meeting details into /topic please?
14:07 kados      no fancyness :-)
14:06 kados      just logs stuff
14:06 slef       how does logbot work?
14:06 kados      umm ... well we have a meeting in a couple hours
14:05 slef       !help DateTime
13:46 kados      btw: side note, is that how you're supposed to represent multi-language materials in MARC? 245$a with the spanish and $b with the english?
13:42 kados      I need to think a bit more to figure out if there's a way we can fix this without so much work
13:42 kados      but I'm guessing that's going to be a lot of records since you have quite a few spanish materials
13:41 kados      isn't getting changed as it should)
13:41 kados      (once we figure out why the leader
13:41 kados      probably the best solution would be to convert all your records to utf-8
13:40 kados      (like in the original record)
13:40 kados      but that means that ascii characters outside the normal range don't display properly
13:40 kados      in order to do that I had to change the default encoding of the intranet to utf-8
13:39 kados      (so I need to check on that)
13:39 kados      (though the leader didn't update for some reason)
13:39 kados      as utf-8
13:39 kados      and it saved properly
13:39 kados      I created a duplicate of the problematic record
13:38 kados      http://koha.wlpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/detail.pl?bib=19549
13:38 kados      tim: ok ... here's the deal
13:34 kados      give me a sec
13:34 kados      yep, trying one right now
13:31 tim        Have any ideas what we can do about that?
13:26 kados      but I suspect it's actually UTF-8
13:26 kados      01166cam  2200301Ka 4500
13:26 kados      so the leader is claiming it's MARC-8:
13:24 kados      tim: give me a minute to figure out what's going on
13:23 kados      tim: ok ... MARC::Record, MARC::File::XML updated, but that record is still not being encoded correctly
13:18 kados      tim: compiling now
13:12 kados      tim: got it, your version of MARC::Record is way out of date, updating it now
13:10 kados      tim: lemme check your version of MARC::Record, MARC::File::XML
13:10 kados      tim: wait ... it's still not encoding correctly
13:08 kados      tim: give it a shot now
13:03 kados      tim: where are you pulling the record out of, the reservoir?
12:57 tim        Thanks!
12:57 tim        Cool!
12:57 kados      tim: give me a sec and I'll fix it
12:57 kados      tim: I know what the error is, I've got a solution for it
12:57 hdl        More seriously, you could try and recompile MARC::Record and MARC::File::XML or MARC::Charset.
12:56 tim        I'm guessing there are othere records with the same problem since we have a small Spanish collection.
12:54 hdl        wait for 3.0 :)))
12:53 tim        But don't have a clue what to do about it.
12:53 hdl        But it seems that they used utf-8 for their character encoding.
12:53 tim        The book is in Spanish and English.  I'm tninking it has something to do with Spanish characters.
12:51 tim        0439783690
12:49 hdl        would you give me ISBN ?
12:48 tim        It was from OCLC
12:48 hdl        Is this a record you created ?
12:48 hdl        what was the record source ?
12:47 tim        Oh yeah.  We're trying to edit the MARC record.
12:35 tim        This is followed by the usual premature end of scritp headers (this one in addbiblio.pl) and the intranet page give a 500 error.
12:33 tim        Cannot decode string with wide characters at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm line 184., referer: http://koha.wlpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/MARCdetail.pl?bib=18839
12:33 tim        We ran into a problem with one of our records.  Here's the error.