Time Nick Message 06:20 Sylvain ok, no problem 06:20 shaun yeah - i won't do the make public thing, i'll leave that to a katipo wizard 06:19 Sylvain ok, it must be the url in the mail so, I tried to access and was asked a login/pwd :) 06:19 shaun i'm not sure whether it's allowed for sharing yet - i could only access it with a un+pw given to me by russ 06:18 Sylvain shaun what's the url of the kohasite with kea ? 06:16 si if it works, yo do 06:14 si russ and his band of slaves, presumably 06:14 si no idea 06:14 shaun who's been working on this particular site at the katipo end? 06:11 shaun i can tell, it looks awesome 06:11 si there's been a fair amount of work gone into kea :-) 06:10 shaun i know you have ;-), i was talking about the new koha site in kea, it looks very impressive with so little work 06:09 si shaun: I've used it 06:09 shaun anybody else checked out kea? 06:09 shaun wow 05:07 Sylvain c'est revenu 05:07 Sylvain non, hdl juste que j'arrivais pas à updater depuis sourceforge 05:02 hdl HEAD was under construction for ZEBRA. Paul worte a note about this. 05:01 hdl Tu dis cvs broken ? Quelle version ? 05:01 hdl sylvain ? 04:28 Sylvain arg, cvs broken ? :( 04:08 hdl paul_away? 02:32 hdl hello 02:14 osmoze hello 20:05 shaun russ: have you finished with the files at my end? 19:46 russ so you can make the changes 19:45 russ shaun - i'll give you a login to kea once the homepage is loaded in 19:44 si irc.citylink.co.nz got fixed yesterday, so that it does actually point at an irc server 19:44 shaun so no chance of using another cms then? btw: i still have a couple of changes to make to the homepage but they are minimal 19:42 russ shaun - i'll send you a kea login one it is loaded in and we can take it from there 19:42 chris whoops wrong channel :-) 19:42 chris yo 19:41 chris the number looks the same to me 19:41 russ i think one of the isps we use wigged out a bit 19:41 shaun hi - yep - did the dns change at irc.citylink.co.nz? the ip was different to usual 19:41 russ using the html that you have written 19:40 russ fyi - bob from katipo is loading your pages into kea, we'll have the site setup and ready to load in content by the end of the day 19:39 russ hi shaun - you made it back 19:39 shaun Is On 19:39 shaun The Fight 19:34 ryan not a bad looking site. 19:33 ryan yes. i guess so. 19:32 owen Their actual site http://www.nbbc.edu 19:32 ryan you mean the customer support site? 19:31 owen NBBC's site is Mambo too, isn't it? 19:31 ryan but keeping versions upt o date is a problem. 19:31 ryan thx; really, the template customization isn't too bad. 19:30 owen You did a good job on the liblime mambo demo and your family site of making it look non-Mambo-like, which to me is a sign of success. 19:29 ryan What mambo is good for, imo, is throwing together a decent looking, working site fast. 19:29 ryan owen, simpleboard is okay, but limited. Other forums are more full featured, stand-alone apps with some code to link them to mambo. 19:27 owen ryan, have you tried other forum plugins besides the simpleboard one? What do you think of it? 19:26 ryan and my sister's wedding information site, amberandgreg.com :) 19:25 ryan support.liblime.com, mambo.liblime.com 19:23 owen ryan, are there sites online that you've done with Mambo? Liblime, right? 19:20 ryan not really, but mambo does have its limitations... 19:19 owen ryan, I don't think that was your intention :) 19:17 russ thanks everyone - especially ryan for scaring me 19:17 russ i will send an email to the list about the change 19:17 russ ok i gotta go as well 19:16 russ :-) 19:16 kados promise ;-) 19:16 kados I'll send you what I have tonight 19:16 kados yea ... getting there 19:16 kados cool ... I'm gonna take off then 19:16 russ i hope the content writing is going well 19:16 russ nope i dont think so 19:16 kados anything else to discuss? 19:15 kados sounds good 19:13 russ and i'll setup up users so people can get in 19:13 russ ok so moving on from here - i'll take what shaun has done and load it into kea 19:12 russ oh well next time 19:12 kados fine with me really 19:11 kados that's cool 19:11 russ we can get that into kea ready to to load content in by the weekend 19:11 russ i think it is just going to be easier to do it in kea - seeing as shaun has done all the hard work of building the template already 19:10 owen russ, that sounds very fair given you have a good grasp of what Kea is capable of 19:10 kados yep 19:09 russ does that sound fair? 19:09 russ i am starting to worry about how much time we could sink into mambo and then we could end up with something that we are still not happy with 19:08 chris i suspect one of the biggish isps had a problem 19:08 chris genji fell off too 19:08 chris only some of em 19:08 owen NZ'ers were immune. 19:07 kados cool 19:07 owen Looks like it 19:07 kados are we back up? 19:07 russ hi kados 19:07 kados hello? 19:07 owen Nobody wants to go in and re-edit those templates again 19:07 russ right 19:07 owen Particularly if you want to be able to have a smooth upgrade the next time mambo comes out with a major new version 19:06 russ we may have to put up with code that we aren't all that happy with 19:06 russ and customise it to look right 19:06 russ so if we take a template 19:05 russ there are some things that you can't or are ver difficult to change cos mambo likes the code a certain way 19:05 russ with mambo the easiest way to customise a template it to take an existing template and change the css 19:04 russ i just want to check where we are at with this template thing 19:04 russ no idea 19:03 kados wha happened ? ;-) 19:03 richard yeah 19:02 russ ok looks like everyone coming back 18:47 bob looks like the rest of the world has fallen off 18:46 russ yikes where did everyone go 18:46 richard erk 18:46 russ oh dear 18:43 ryan and generally the right layout. 18:42 ryan by changing the content, you'll end up with two columns at bottom of page 18:42 shaun http://www.mamboserver.com/ have done it, if you look at the code - although it's nowhere near as complex as my design 18:42 owen russ, your comment really makes me want to try Kea :) 18:42 shaun owen: wordpress ;-) 18:42 russ in less than two days 18:42 russ simply cos the katipo crew can get shaun's design into kea with a template 18:42 shaun russ: drupal? typo3? 18:41 russ hmm ok 18:41 ryan yeah. I think tables are easier for mambo. 18:40 owen I don't know if you can escape them in Mambo 18:40 shaun ryan: it uses tables, they make me cry 18:40 ryan actually, the solar flare might work fine. 18:39 russ so we should be looking for a template that we can alter? 18:39 richard yeah 18:39 ryan nice. 18:37 shaun http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/koha/content.php for the inner pages 18:37 kados http://dev.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/koha/index.php 18:37 ryan where is shaun's design? 18:36 ryan right, you'll have to also edit all the module css. 18:35 ryan otherwise, if you can find a template with roughly the right layout, it's not too difficult. 18:35 shaun and the modules, i think (?) 18:35 ryan but i've found altering the mambo css necessary to get the right look. 18:35 ryan in theory, the template is all you need to change. 18:34 owen Everything in Mambo seems hard to me...I was hoping it was just that I was a newbie. 18:34 russ hmm this is all starting to sound hard very quickly 18:33 ryan (thru the interface) 18:33 ryan also the template php is editable. 18:33 shaun the css isn't really enough - the html needs a total rehaul 18:33 ryan sometimes it's useful to edit the mambo stuff as well. 18:32 ryan but not the core mambo css. 18:32 ryan you can edit the css. 18:32 owen he can move stuff around, right, but he can't edit actual template files through the Mambo interface can he? 18:32 ryan it's just a bit clunky. 18:31 ryan to some extent. 18:30 russ i have given him administrator privs 18:30 russ ryan - modifing an existing template is that something shaun should be able to do through the mambo admin interface? 18:26 owen Easy enough to do a local install 18:25 shaun i would if i had a testing ground - it seems as if mambo does not allow template editing through the admin interface, so i need to set up an identical site on one of my boxen or somehow get access at katipo 18:25 ryan Probably not too hard to modify an existing free template. 18:24 owen Seems like that's going to be a pain 18:24 owen who's going to be in charge of making Mambo's template match shaun's design? 18:22 ryan you'd add news items to categories in sections, right? 18:22 ryan mambo's core is essentially for blogging. 18:20 ryan the interface to edit content is basically a blog posting. 18:20 owen I'm totally confused about 'blog content' etc. 18:20 russ so if we have a look at shaun's design 18:20 russ ah right 18:19 ryan So I think you're limited in your design 18:19 kados right ... I noticed that ... it is confusing 18:19 ryan The difficulty is the sections are for blog content... 18:19 russ so setting up the right categories at the beginning is quite important? 18:18 kados but point well taken 18:18 russ :-) 18:18 kados depending no how verbose I'm feeling ;-) 18:18 kados maybe ... maybe not ;-) 18:16 russ for example Koha History - we will probablyonly have one page of content in there for starters 18:16 russ cool cos some of the pages will have the same names as the categories 18:16 ryan yes. 18:16 owen ryan, does that sound like how you'd break it down? 18:15 russ sorry kados - yep showcase and community are sections 18:15 russ # FAQ 18:15 russ # Testimonials 18:15 russ # Case Studies 18:15 russ # Awards 18:15 russ # Support/ Contribute to Koha 18:15 russ # Koha History 18:15 russ # Koha Team 18:15 russ # Features 18:15 russ # News 18:15 russ and then within the About Koha section we have categories for 18:14 kados 'showcase' and 'community' too right? 18:13 russ right so our sections are "About Koha" "Support" "Download Koha" ? 18:13 ryan right. 18:13 owen Sections contain categories, which contain content items, right? 18:12 kados I'm confused about sections and categories ... what the difference is 18:12 russ i have had a bit of a play with mambo on http://new.koha.org/mambo/ 18:12 russ from what i can see with mambo - content objects are all thrown in together 18:11 russ i am used to kea (our bespoke cms) which is uses a tree structure for content, so every heading in the sitemap has a page related to it and there is a strong sense of structure 18:10 russ http://www.russandsarah.gen.nz/kohawebredev/sitemap.html 18:10 kados I'm confused about that myself 18:10 russ to reflect the structure of the site map 18:10 russ what I would like to talk about his how do we get a site in mambo 18:09 russ and if we could leave any discussion about the actual content till later 18:09 ryan what are the sticky points with mambo? 18:09 russ but I am pretty sure Mambo should be able to do what we want 18:09 russ if Mambo isnt going to cut it, then my back up plan is to use Kea 18:09 kados ok ;-) 18:08 russ I don't want to debate which CMS we are going to use anymore 18:08 kados k 18:08 russ firstly just wanted to stress a couple of things 18:08 kados that's cool 18:07 russ no i dont have an agenda up (apologies for that) 18:07 kados in which case, he should run the meeting ;-) 18:07 kados unless russ has a agenda up ;-) 18:07 kados I think the main topic will be whether and how Mambo can be used for the koha.org site 18:07 russ well actually 18:07 kados we don't have a formal agenda 18:06 genji :) 18:06 genji Here, miss. 18:05 kados who else is here? 18:05 kados he's my partner in crime from LibLime ;-) 18:05 ryan hi, folks. 18:05 owen That site looks familiar 18:05 kados first off, let me introduce Ryan 18:05 kados so ... let's get started shall we? 18:05 kados shaun's topic is more complete ;-) 18:04 kados welcome everyone 18:04 shaun oops 18:04 kados hehe 18:04 kados shaun: sure ... let's discuss it afterwards 18:04 shaun i have cleared up the homepage modules a little bit (http://new.koha.org/mambo/), but i really need the template to go any further 18:03 russ s/wil/we'll 18:03 shaun kados: would you be willing to take on my content page (support/contributing) or send me your support content? i doubt if i will be able to make the balance right by myself as you're doing the other support pages 18:02 russ cool - once ryan is on deck will get cracking along 18:02 kados I"m calling ryan 18:02 kados cool 18:02 russ i have asked bob and rich from katipo to sit in, as we are all interested in learning a bit more about mambo 18:01 bob hi 18:01 kados if you came for the meeting, we're still waiting for quorum 18:01 owen Hi 18:01 kados welcome richard, bob and owen 18:01 richard hi 18:00 russ sweet 18:00 kados we're still waiting for ryan ... and I think owen's planning to be here as well 18:00 shaun hi russ 17:59 russ hi shaun and kados 17:59 shaun kados: nope, not yet, i've had enough caffeine to stay awake all night as it is 17:58 kados shaun: getting sleepy? ;-) 17:55 shaun T-5 17:50 shaun T-10 17:27 genjizzzz rach, you available? 14:47 shaun kados around? 14:07 shaun the other site is something that i needed to get up and running within a matter of hours and ensure that the client could edit it herself without delving into html 14:06 shaun my site combines a blog with some semi-static content (although it isn't there yet), 14:04 shaun yes 13:58 owen So shaun, you've used wordpress as a CMS (rather than for a specifically blog-like site)? 13:11 owen and lots of things we might want only come as plug-ins to Mambo, like a forum and an event calendar 13:10 owen Not in an of itself, certainly. 13:10 shaun does complexity count as a bell or a whistle? :-) 13:07 owen It's definitely small... But I'm not sure if Mambo has any bells-n-whistles that Wordpress doesn't 13:06 shaun how big is the site? i would recommend wordpress for any small multi-editor sites 13:05 owen I'm not sure what all the requirements are yet, though. 13:05 owen We're talking about using Mambo for a sub-site here at my library 13:05 owen Thanks. Looks nice. 12:59 shaun http://binarybonsai.com/k2/ 12:58 owen Do you have a link for that? 12:56 shaun it's a theme that provides lots of additional functionality and allows WP to function a bit better as a cms, and a bit better as a blog too 12:55 owen K2? 12:55 shaun i'm using it for a couple of sites now, including my own new one, and it is very impressive, particularly with K2 12:55 owen I find Mambo so convoluted it drives me up the wall. 12:54 owen Yeah, I've heard Wordpress is a good alternative to a full-blown CMS 12:54 shaun it was painful, and i could have done it with wordpress in a tenth of the time 12:53 owen why not? 12:53 shaun yep, for a couple of intranets, and i've severely hacked it on one of my publicly accessible sites (but will never, ever do that again...) 12:52 owen So have you ever used Mambo before? 12:52 shaun hi owen 12:51 shaun damn, that went in the wrong place 12:51 owen Hey shaun