Time Nick Message 12:31 thd owen: Had you found how to assign a damaged item to itemtype 'damaged too fragile to circulate' or something similar that you and kados seemed to be concerned with last week? 12:32 owen It's not something I've been working on 12:32 thd owen: Do you remeber the questions kados had asked you about that? 12:33 owen not offhand 12:36 thd owen: ooh, maybe its importance had seemed especially minor even to him and he initiated the query. I have missed him on IRC when I was asking. 12:48 thd kados: ping 15:24 dan hi there everyone, I just installed koha but for some reason z39.50 doesnt work, and I get an error about mysql syntax and Breeding.pm 15:25 dan does anyone know what that might be? 15:35 thd dan: what operating system did you install koha on? 15:35 dan debian sarge linux 15:36 thd dan: did you launch the z39.50 daemon? 15:36 dan yeah 15:38 thd dan: have you configured some reliable z39.50 server targets with the correct information? 15:39 dan actually i think i just fixed it... i had the loc server set up to unimarc 15:39 dan thanks for the help :-) 15:40 dan kudos on the software y'all. 19:27 thd Genji: are you there? 19:39 dan hi everyone. I installed koha today, and have been adding books using z3950, but after a while it lags and stops working. I find w/ ps that there are a bunch of forked (i think) processz3950que processes and if i restart the daemon it works again 19:39 dan I think maybe I'm not using it right? 19:39 dan also the window allways says "still 3 requests to go" or else "still ?? requests to go" 19:40 dan any idea what i'm doing wrong? 19:43 chris hi dan 19:43 chris it might not be you 19:43 chris its not a particularly robust piece of software (the z3950 part of koha) 19:44 chris in theory, it should fork a request for each server, these should then die when the results are returned 19:45 chris its a good idea in theory, having a daemon that does the z3950 requests 19:46 chris since they can take a long time to return, it gets around timeout problems 19:46 chris but it needs some work to make it a bit more solid 19:46 dan so, basically, some of the servers i have listed are not returning in a timely manner and the processes are getting hung? 19:46 chris that would be my guess 19:47 dan okay... so i'll try removing some servers 19:47 dan i've noticed that it happens more often when i try entering books that most servers don't have any info on 19:47 chris that makes sense 19:47 chris what it tries to do is get a certain number of results 19:48 chris and will keep trying servers until it does (or runs out of servers to try) 19:48 dan okay... so that's what the "still 3 requests to go" thing means 19:49 chris i think thats 3 servers left to query ... or 3 searches left to go 19:49 dan okay... i got it 19:49 chris i cant remember which :) 19:49 dan you're able to do more than one search at a time? 19:50 chris i dont think so, so its more likely 3 servers left to query 19:50 dan okay 19:50 dan cool 19:50 dan well, thanks for the help, it makes a lot more sense now 19:50 chris for the next major version of koha, we have a couple of options 19:51 chris one of which is to take an existing free software z3950 client 19:51 chris and get koha to be able to use it 19:51 dan I'm trying to get this thing to the point where volunteers at this community center can use it effectively... so it has to run smoothly :) 19:51 dan oh, that'd be cool 19:51 chris otherwise, we will refactor and try make it a bit tighter 19:51 dan i like how the z3950 thing works in theory... 19:52 chris yeah 19:52 chris in practice its a bit flakey 19:52 dan especially how it's distributed so people can share their database 19:52 dan like w/ the z3950 server in the package 19:52 chris yeah 19:52 chris that will be much better in the next major version too 19:52 dan especially since the place i'm at has a lot of stuff most places dont 19:53 chris we already know how to integrate a much better z3950 server 19:53 dan cool 19:53 dan I'm pretty excited about this software, I think it's going to work well for us 19:54 chris excellent 19:54 dan once we get a barcode scanner anyway :) 19:54 chris when you are up and running drop us a note, and we'll add you to the koha users map :) 19:54 dan okay, that sounds good 19:54 dan i'm going to get back at this now, thanks a lot 19:55 dan oh, i meant to ask, when's the next major release looking like it might come out? 19:56 thd :-) 19:56 chris theres going to be a 2.2.4 bugfix release out in the nearish future 19:56 dan cool 19:56 chris but 2.4/3.0 (we havent decided on the number yet, i think it will be 3.0 lots of changes) will be early 2006 19:57 dan sweet, i'll definately look forward to it 19:57 dan one feature that I can already tell might be usefull would be something where you coul list a bunch if isbn's someplace and resolve all of them at one time 19:57 dan or something like that 19:58 chris right 19:58 dan it takes a long time to enter all these books :) 19:58 chris heres a trick 19:58 chris you can use the bulkmarcimport.pl script to load a big bunch of marc records into the reservior 19:59 chris and then when you go to add a new book, it searches the reservior and if it matches a title, you can prefill the form with the data 20:00 dan oh, okay, i'll try that out 20:00 thd chris: which is the better z39.50 server [did you mean client] that you already know how to integrate? 20:00 chris i meant server 20:00 chris zebra, from indexdata 20:01 thd the daemon acts as a client 20:01 chris i know 20:01 chris i was talking about 2 different thing 20:01 chris s 20:02 chris <dan> like w/ the z3950 server in the package 20:02 chris > we already know how to integrate a much better z3950 server 20:02 chris koha has a z3950 server as well as the client, but neither of them are what you'd call rocksolid 20:03 thd chris: what do you know about better client integration? 20:03 chris no one has really looked into it 20:05 thd there was a reply for Index Data on koha-zebra to a message that I had forwarded where I had added a note about Event module problems. 20:05 chris dan: sorry i put you slightly wrong 20:05 chris bulkmarcimport.pl will load straight into your catalog 20:05 chris /cgi-bin/koha/import/breeding.pl will import into the reservior 20:06 chris bulkmarcimport.pl you need to run from the commandline 20:06 chris ok, i gotta get back to my paid job 20:06 chris cyas later 20:07 dan thanks 20:09 Genji hiya all 20:10 thd chris: Sebastian form Index Data recommended the Yaz/Zoom API. 20:11 thd Genji: hello 20:13 thd Genji: http://www.librarystuff.net/2005/04/beyond-typical-library-opac.html 20:18 thd Genji: The link above is to a blog posting about a library near you. Much nearer you than me, certainly. North Shore Libraries in New Zealand. Mike Copley, Assistant Librarian and Web Developer has a graphical map linked to OPAC results showing book location as a red mark. Perhaps you would be interested to enquire with him about how he implemented that. 20:24 thd Genji: I could not find the link previously, after I confused it with something I had read about extending an Innovative Interfaces ILS. 20:39 thd chris, rach: Where would I find the template set that provides access to the page for assigning items to biblioitems? 20:42 thd chirs, rach: You had posted that the current default and NPL templates were broken for that. 21:40 rach um chris gave you the URL to hack the other day 21:41 rach thd - http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/album26 21:41 rach that shows how it's supposed to work (well where) 21:42 rach and its the edit button on the more detail page for group that is broken in the templates 21:44 rach hmm - http://koha.eeo.katipo.co.nz/ 21:45 rach I'm getting biowhat 21:49 rach erg wrong channel 02:18 Genji hiya rach 02:21 paul hello rach/Genji 02:21 Genji hiya paul. how goes/ 02:22 paul fine, thanks. Nice weather, not too hot for instance ;-) 02:22 paul Just 1 minor bad thing : I saw Ocean 12 yesterday, it's really a bad movie. 02:22 paul Ocean 11 was fun, imho, and Ocean 12 is a non sense 02:23 paul (+ really poorly translated in french) 02:23 Genji hmm... right. saw The Island, today. Really really enjoyed it. 02:23 paul (mmm... bad is not the right word in english. But you understand what I mean) 02:37 hdl hi everybody. 02:38 paul salut henri damien. Bien dormi ? 02:38 paul Noane vous a laissé un peu en paix ? 02:38 hdl révéillé 3 fois. 02:38 hdl Mais elle ne sera pas là de la journée. 02:38 paul c'est un léger progrès non ? 02:39 hdl Oui. Mais j'ai l'impression que ce n'est pas seulement des angoisses mais aussi fonction de ce qu'elle a mangé et de sa digestion. 02:39 hdl Elle aurait des diarrhées nocturnes que cela ne m'étonnerait pas. 02:39 paul ah, là il va falloir creuser, effectivement. 02:40 hdl J'ai juste eu besoin d'être là et de la cajoler un peu. Et elle s'est calmée, la première fois. 02:40 hdl La dernière fois, cétait à 7h... heure du réveil :) 02:41 paul nous, nous avons eu 4H et 6H30 ;-) 02:41 hdl Nous sommes donc unis dans les tribulations de l'enfantement... ;) 02:41 hdl Did you have time to look at my latest commited code and see why it wouldn't work ? 02:42 hdl enfantement à prendre à un sens plus large.... 02:42 paul no mail on koha-cvs, I thought you didn't commit. 02:43 paul why did sf forget to send the mails is a good question... 02:43 paul ok, i update my cvs & look immediatly. 02:43 paul (just sending doc to in2p3 before) 02:43 paul let gnomemeeting ready, i call you when i have suggestions. 02:46 hdl paul : Sorry. My latest commit did not work. 02:51 hdl It was aborted since you comitted a version of updatedatabase before mine. 02:51 paul ;-) 02:51 paul (as you seem to have forgotten updatedatabase cleaning that I suggested few weeks ago, i made it myself ;-) ) 02:53 hdl Not forgotten. I thought it was Long term work. 02:53 paul it was not urgent, but better to do it before playing with 3.0 database. 02:53 paul so, in fact, it had to be done asap. 02:54 paul anyway, it has been made, that's what is important ;-) 03:25 osmoze bonjour 03:25 paul 'lut 03:28 osmoze paul, je recherche desesperement une 2.0, tu aurais cela ? 03:28 paul il doit toujours y avoir un 2.0.2 sur sourceforge non ? 03:28 osmoze pas trouvé :( 03:28 paul fichtre, c'est exact. 03:28 osmoze ni sourceforge ni katipo 03:28 paul pourquoi, tu veux revenir en 2.0 ? 03:29 osmoze bin c est pour l upgrade 03:29 paul Je te réactive la 2.0.2 sur sourceforge 03:29 osmoze je migre cette semaine 03:29 osmoze ok, merci :) 03:29 paul super pour ce qui est de la migration ;-) 03:30 osmoze je risque d etre un peu embetant ces prochains temps ^^ 03:30 paul je suis là 03:30 paul voilà 03:30 paul http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=16466&package_id=12718 03:30 osmoze ok, c est parti, merci :) 03:32 paul you're welcome 03:47 osmoze tiens, quand il y a une erreur dans l installeur, et que l on retombe sur le shell, c est tout rouge ^^ 03:47 paul reset est ton ami je pense 03:48 paul (pas le bouton, hein, la commande shell) 03:48 osmoze lol 03:48 osmoze ^^ 03:48 hdl lorsque tu relances l'installer, les couleurs se réinitialisent dtf 03:49 osmoze oki :) et bonjour hdl ^^ 03:49 hdl bonjour osmoze. 03:49 hdl un plaisir de se trouver sur des listes amies ;) 03:50 osmoze vi :) 03:50 osmoze tiens, un ls et plus rien couleur normale 03:50 osmoze bon 03:50 paul c'était un message codé ? 03:50 hdl en fait, on fréquente léa tous les deux ;) 04:21 osmoze une question paul, le script d import et export avec la bdp fonctionnera toujours avec la 2.3 ? 04:22 paul probablement, mais c'est trop tot pour le dire définitivement. En tous cas, nous allons tout faire pour conserver l'API actuelle de la gestion des notices. 04:28 osmoze hum....ma question (mal formulée) parle du script que tu nous avez developper pour ajouter et enlever les notices bdp et c etait sur la 2.2.3 ^^ 04:29 paul ah, alors c'est clair : RAS 04:29 paul aucune modif dans la base, donc aucune modif dans les API, donc ca marchera pareil ;-) 04:30 osmoze merci :) 05:12 paul hdl : commit avec modifs, mais ca ne marche toujours pas bien. Mais c'est meux. je continue à chercher 05:13 hdl merci. Je vais étudier ce qui ne va pas. 07:06 osmoze paul, une question venant de sandrine, tu me dis de virer le thesaurus 700 701 702, sa question : c est remplacé par quoi ? car si on recherche par auteur ca marche plus 07:06 osmoze et pour les nouvelles notices que j integrerai de la bdp, ca fera comment ? 07:07 paul joker pour la BDP. 07:07 osmoze erf, en fait je comprend pas le couac de ces champs 07:07 paul s'il n'y a pas les auteurs en 200, alors, il faut laisser les champs 700, 701 et 702 07:07 paul MAIS : tu n'es pas obligé de les relier à un thésaurus. Ca peut être des champs à saisir librement. 07:08 paul en UNIMARC strict, ce devrait être des listes d'autorité. 07:08 paul mais vous n'avez peut être pas besoin de ca ;-) 07:08 osmoze en fait, si je l enleve, personne n y voit que du feu 07:21 osmoze de plus, je pense avoir un petit probleme au niveau de l intranet, quand je veux changer de site, le clic de la souris ne fonctionne pas, cela fonctionne qu avec la touche entré positionné dessus, je n ai rien vu de telle dans la mailing, une idée ? 07:21 osmoze (le bouton valider) 07:21 paul ??? non, aucune 07:29 paul_away oups, clic un peu rapide... 07:30 paul osmoze : l'adresse ne fonctionne pas 07:30 paul (pas de réponse du serveur) 07:31 osmoze hum..je regarde 07:45 osmoze ma redirection dns ne marche plus, je regarde et reviens :) 08:00 osmoze paul, peux tu reessayer ? 08:00 paul redonne l'adresse 08:00 osmoze koha.homelinux.org 10:13 kados hi all 10:14 kados Athens County has major power probs today 10:14 kados my home network has been down for about 18 hours 10:14 kados :-(