Time Nick Message 12:01 slef paul: argh! 12:02 slef paul: do you want CVS access to kartouche? 12:02 slef paul: thanks for email 12:20 pate time for my semi-random kibbitz ... 12:20 pate anyone here thought about signing up with Google to make Koha mentoring organization for the summer of code? 12:45 slef pate: no, as I dislike google for being spammers who sponsor the World Economic Forum. :) 13:08 kados pate: i did 13:39 tim What do I use for inventory codes in the barcodes generator? I thought it would be barcodes, but that's not doing anything. 13:48 paul_away kados => i've commited a new version, that do tag by tag (from 000 to 999). HTH 13:52 tim I had a problem with Koha looking for Utils.pm in /PDF/API2/PDF/. It's in /PDF/API2/Basic/PDF/. 13:53 tim I tried a symlink and that got rid of the server error it was giving me. Now I need to get some barcodes out of it. 13:53 paul_away kados => wait a minut, it's buggy... 13:54 tim I'm using 2.2.2b 13:55 paul_away kados => OK, seems it works now. 13:56 paul_away ok, leaving now, going with wife & sons. Have a good day. 14:00 kados paul_away: cool ... I'll give it a shot tonite 14:23 gavin hi all 14:29 tim hi gavin 14:29 gavin just wondering who was about, any developers? 14:30 tim I wish I knew enough. 14:30 gavin only one way ot learn :) 14:30 gavin do you run koha? 14:30 tim Does anyone know how to search a date range in the IRC logs? 14:31 tim Working on it. We're hopeing we'll be running it this summer. 14:31 gavin where's the page again? 14:32 tim http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl 14:32 tim I found a mention of a problem I'm having, but I don't know how to get the rest of the conversation. 14:33 gavin just type the date you want in the between .. and boixes 14:33 gavin eg Betwen [ !st February ] and [ 1st Macrh] 14:35 tim Thanks. I was trying to to just one date. I added a day for the second one and got it working. 14:35 tim sorta 14:43 gavin now wokring for you? 14:47 tim I did it different and got the day I wanted, but also got a bunch I didn't. 14:48 tim The info I was looking for wasn't there anyway. 15:05 gavin ah. bummer 15:05 gavin are you a librarian? 15:13 GenjiZzZz hiya all. 15:14 Genji Welcome to a brand new day. 15:14 gavin welcome from the twilight of mine... 15:19 slef hello 15:21 gavin hi 15:32 slef http://simms.celt.dias.ie/~gavin/ doesn't look like a home page. What is it? 15:35 slef As in, what is your home page? 15:36 gavin my dev box in work 15:36 gavin my home page is http://fiachra.ucd.ie/~gavin/ 15:41 slef Is now the time to start advocating groff? 15:45 Genji cool. figured out how to commit to HEAD (the tip of development) with WinCVS. 15:48 Genji Ahhh! HEAD is not a branch, because it was never created as such.. but rel_2_2 was created as a branch, and thats why it can commit to it without erroring. 15:48 Genji i think. 16:09 gavin does anyone have strong feelings about compatibility with postgres? 16:25 Genji are any coders awake? 16:26 gavin jsut wondering as fulltext indexes are not supported (by default) so if I do up a search using fulltext, postgres usage will get hard 16:26 slef Genji: HEAD is where you are if you aren't on any branch. 16:27 slef gavin: isn't it in contrib? 16:27 gavin yes, but not sure how complex it is to add (and don't want to make koha install even harder!) 16:28 gavin if everyone uses mysql right now then there's no real problem but if it's going to break someone who uses postgres then i'd rather know now 16:38 gavin i'm just trying to get 2.2.2b working. I keep getting "Connection Failed" from the web pages though 16:46 gavin sorted, forgot to uncomment the listen lines 17:14 gavin Hi guys, does anyone know of some test data for a koha db? 17:18 chris hi gavin 17:18 chris i think joshua (kados) has some 17:18 chris i unfortunately dont have a good set for 2.2 17:20 gavin i tried the one that's in the tarball but it doesn't seem to be right. 17:20 Genji hiyas chris 17:20 chris yeah i think thats old 2.0 or maybe 1.2 data 17:20 chris hiya genji 17:21 chris cool 17:21 gavin there are no stopwords and i can't find anything i search for. will try adding some by hand 17:21 chris good idea 17:42 gavin it's bedtime this side of the world, see you later folks... 18:32 Genji thats wierd. 18:33 Genji nevermind. 18:55 Genji okaay. how do i add a totally new file to the cvs? 19:04 shedges http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=14033&group_id=1#commandadd 19:10 Genji do i have to like, add it to the module, then tag it HEAD? 19:13 Genji oh... think i've realised something. 20:35 kados Genji: you can export marc records from LibLime's demos 20:45 Genji kados: your marc records include the complex itemtypes.. like JNFB for Junior non fiction book? 20:46 Genji ive imported ISIS, dbf, Excel.. never marc. 23:39 Genji whats a good way to find if a book is out on loan or not, using the old db? 23:39 chris same as using the new db 23:39 chris check the issues table 23:39 chris select * from issues where itemnumber=? and returndate is NULL; 23:40 chris if you get a result, that item is on loan 23:42 Genji hmm... rachels feature request has a checkbox with "show only available." so.. that excludes books on loan, restricted, lost, unknown barcode and withdrawn, right? 23:42 chris yep 23:42 chris lost u need to check 23:42 chris items.lost 23:43 chris if it =1 or 2 its lost on long overdue 23:43 chris on = or 23:43 Genji getiteminformation($env, 0, $barcode) can give me all i need, yes? 23:43 chris ought to 23:45 Genji bingo. it might return a duedate if its on loan. 23:47 Genji hrm... rewind..... im writing a sql query here... not a perl script. 23:49 Genji so... where items.lost=0 and issues.returndate=0 and ..... 23:51 chris not quite 23:51 chris (items.lost=0 or items.lost is NULL) and issues.returndate is NULL 23:51 chris NULL is not equal to 0 23:51 Genji Ah, right. 23:51 chris items.lost will be NULL if its never been lost 23:51 chris but it will be 0 if it was lost, then found again 23:52 Genji and what about issues.returndate? 23:52 Genji gets reset to null each time its taken out? 23:53 chris a new row is made 23:53 chris so when a book is returned the returndate gets set to the days date 23:54 Genji ahh.. right. 23:54 chris if its issued again, a new row is made with a blank returndate 00:07 Genji where (items.itemlost IN (0,NULL) and (items.notforloan IN (0,NULL) and (items.wthdrawn IN (0,NULL) and and issues.returndate is NULL and reserves.borrowernumber = 0 00:07 Genji anything else im missing? 00:08 Genji lost, withdrawn, not for loan, reserved.... oh... out on loan. 00:08 Genji ah.. return date covers that... 00:08 Genji Am i missing anything? 00:24 Genji whats wrong with this query? 00:27 chris ur missing a ) 00:28 chris and you have 2 ands 00:28 chris missing lots of ) .. too many ( 00:52 Genji hmm? can't see the two ands, and can't see the mismatched ('s. 00:52 Genji you sure your looking at the select statement, and not the original where statement i typed? 00:59 Genji okay, theres something about the issues and reserves tables that makes this statement break down. 00:59 Genji select distinct m1.bibid from biblio,biblioitems,items,issues,reserves,marc_biblio,marc_word as m1 where biblio.biblionumber=marc_biblio.biblionumber and biblio.biblionumber=biblioitems.biblionumber and m1.bibid=marc_biblio.bibid and (m1.word like 'reincarnation') doesn't work even. 00:59 Genji once i remove issues and reserves from the list of tables... it comes right. 01:01 Genji easy way to allow searching for availabilty.. would be to add items.reserved and items.outonloan bools. 01:02 Genji get issues and reserves to set and unset them..... 01:05 chris that wont work because u have no joining conditions 01:05 chris for items, issues or reserves 01:06 chris youd need something like 01:06 Genji oh ya.... that was a test query, doomed to fail by a mistake.... 01:06 chris biblioitems.biblioitemnumber=items.biblioitemnumber 01:06 chris plus the conditions for issues and reserves 01:07 chris it would probably be a slow query 01:07 chris lots of joins 01:07 chris probably best to do it with 2 queries 01:07 chris the first one to fetch all the biblioitemnumbers 01:08 chris then u can just use them to find all the items that match 01:08 Genji ahh.. 01:33 Genji actually.. i change m1.bibid to biblioitems.biblioitemnumber ..... 01:33 Genji so, got a list of biblioitems.... 01:37 Genji what exactly is m1.bibid? its a list of biblionumbers, right? 01:42 Genji 'select distinct biblionumber from biblioitems, items, issues, reserves where biblioitemnumber=items.biblioitemnumber and items.itemnumber=issues.itemnumber and reserves.itemnumber=items.itemnumber and items.itemlost IN ('0',NULL) and items.notforloan IN ('0',NULL) and items.wthdrawn IN ('0',NULL) and issues.returndate is NULL and reserves.borrowernumber=0 and biblioitemnumber IN (result of first select) order by biblio.title ASC? 03:21 gavin hi 03:41 slef gavin: installing stuff from contrib is usually not too hard. Note it in the docs that it'll be required if postgres is ever supported ;-) 03:42 Sylvain hi 03:44 slef Sylvain: hi. 03:44 slef What's an iwi? 03:44 Sylvain an iwi ? I don't know 03:55 gavin ah, fair enough 03:56 gavin so,. i've been doing some further work to understand exactly how things are done in Koha 03:56 gavin I see now what stephen said before about marc_word as an indexed table 03:56 slef and you conclude the answer is "slowly"? 03:57 gavin :-) it's not slow now (on a different machine) 03:58 gavin though i'm still unsure why it seemed so slow on the other one, I'll have a look another time 03:58 gavin maybe i did something wrong 03:59 chris iwi probably translates best as tribe (or perhaps nation) 03:59 chris if you are talking about iwi in maori that is 04:01 gavin I've been trying searches via the opac and watching the queries it uses 04:01 gavin i suspect much of it could be simplified by use of match and boolean mode, but I'm unsure if there may be stuff which would not work 04:01 gavin without the marc_word table 04:05 gavin does anyone have any suggestions how best to proceed? 04:08 chris probably how i would do it is the way paul did his recent search improvement to test 04:08 chris take a copy of the search module 04:09 chris then make some changes, and then to use it just change the use C4::SearchMarc; to be use C4::Searchtest; (or something) 04:10 gavin okay 04:10 gavin I'm trying to sort out in my head whether fulltext/boolean is what's required here 04:10 chris right 04:10 chris i think for the keyword search 04:10 chris fulltext might be the one 04:12 gavin do you think not for the others? 04:12 chris maybe on the others too, its tricky 04:12 gavin fair enough 04:13 gavin one issue is stopwords, if you use mysql to do the searching, you have to define the stopwords in mysql too 04:13 chris if i search on 'iwi' ... should a match in title be ranked higher than a match in author? 04:13 gavin this can be done of course 04:13 chris in the ideal world 04:13 gavin i don't know 04:13 chris we would let the library set the rules 04:14 gavin yes 04:14 chris that would be a pretty neat feature 04:14 gavin you mean to let the library prefer eg author or title? 04:15 chris im just thinking for the keyword search ie 04:15 gavin i worked a little more in the past few days on our in-house one http://simms.celt.dias.ie/~gavin/opac/ 04:15 gavin <sorry, please continue> 04:15 chris http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 04:15 chris the search box here 04:16 chris it would be cool if we let the librarians choose what that searches 04:17 gavin i see. so you would like libraries to be able to specify greater ranking to matches within author than keyword (for example)? or is this already in place? 04:17 chris yeah, they might say, keyword searches, author, title, subtitle and subject 04:17 gavin or just to restrict what it searches? 04:18 chris maybe both 04:18 chris restricting what it searches definitely 04:18 gavin is this not the purpose of the advanced search though? 04:18 chris yep that allows the user to search what they want 04:19 chris but i just know that for example HLT didnt want keyword search to search authors 04:19 gavin i see. 04:20 gavin so suppose for the sake of argument we had a hidden fields in that page with "author, title, subtitle" which got checked for sanity and plugged into the query in a smart way 04:21 chris was just thinking aloud 04:21 gavin fair enough. i'd never have thought of that 04:22 gavin if you look here http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/fulltext-boolean.html 04:22 gavin WHERE MATCH (title,body) AGAINST ('+MySQL -YourSQL' IN BOOLEAN MODE); 04:22 gavin is pretty much what that would need i guess 04:23 gavin off the top of my head, i'd say you'd put a single fulltext index on all columns and another on each one individually for the advanced search 04:23 chris right 04:24 chris you are thinking to search against the biblio table or the marc_word table? 04:24 gavin the biblio 04:24 gavin but i'm not sure if that'll do as much as you need 04:25 chris yeah, perhaps we need a librarian 04:25 gavin i see you also have partial words via 'tower*' type syntax. 04:26 gavin boolean will do this but it can only trail on the end of a word not within or at the start 04:26 chris right 04:26 chris thats probably the best way for it to work anyway 04:27 chris but i think we probably need to get comments from a librarian ... about exactly what theyd expect a title search say to search 04:28 chris shold it search subtitles also? 04:28 chris that kind of thing 04:28 gavin again i think that would be best defined by librarian onsite 04:28 chris true 04:29 gavin that said, chances are many of them would never do it so a "best default" is imporant 04:29 chris yeah 04:29 gavin the one i did before was for a small academic inst 04:30 chris ok, i have to hand the laptop over to my wife, ill catch you later gavin, good luck 04:30 gavin i got some feedback from scholars like: 04:30 gavin thanks for the chat :) 04:31 gavin a big help. 04:43 slef chris: yes. 04:45 gavin incidentally, i hope i haven't pissed anyone off. i've kind of just walked in and started saying stuff. 04:46 gavin I'm well aware that Koha has been around for some years and is a good working product 05:36 chris for a little while before bed 05:36 chris nope gavin, well you certainly havent pissed me off .. anyone who wants to contribute is more than welcome in my book 05:39 chris slef: its election year here .. so all the nasty raced cards get played 05:40 gavin well, apologies if anyone has been irked. i didn't mean to do that 05:41 gavin slef: where are you from? 05:45 gavin i'm looking at a whole load of hidden vars and sqlUpdate() and such on the opac. is this stuff just used on the librarian's "mega-advanced" search? 05:46 chris i think so 05:47 chris i must confess to not having spent a lot of time on the search stuff in the last year or so 05:47 gavin so ideally, one would want to keep those code bases together (in order that the searches always work the same way) 05:47 chris yep for the most part 05:48 chris with the cavaet that the librarians get to see things the opac users dont 05:48 chris like lost items, or ones marked withdrawn/cancelled 05:49 chris but thats kind of the second level of search 05:49 gavin yes 05:49 gavin how'd you mean? 05:49 chris you search the bibliographical data first 05:49 chris which should be the same for the opac and the librarian 05:49 gavin oh i see, actual copies of books as opposed to a given title 05:50 chris but then you might filter those results differently depending on who you are showing them too 05:50 chris yeah, thats what i meant 05:51 gavin one more thing, i'm working off the installed code (2.2b) as it's convenient and working 05:52 chris right 05:52 gavin am i likely to end up with great trouble mocing into cvs? 05:52 gavin moving 05:52 chris have you worked with cvs much before? 05:52 gavin yeah, a bit. some cvs and some svn. 05:53 gavin can i check out the right dirs direct? 05:53 gavin into the installed location? 05:53 chris ahh theres a good guide to that here 05:53 gavin nice one 05:53 chris http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=CVSSymLinkInstallation 05:54 gavin exactly what i need... 05:54 gavin thanks 05:55 chris http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koha_wiki/index.php?page=CvsLayout might be useful too 05:55 chris the wiki is a good place to note down any thoughts etc you might have as well 05:56 gavin i put a couple of ideas on the release manager's notes (fulltext indexes mainly) 05:56 chris sweet 05:57 chris whereabouts in ireland do you live? 05:58 gavin dublin. 05:58 gavin are you a rugby fan? 05:59 chris most certainly 05:59 chris lots of rugby this weekend 05:59 gavin so you're looking forward to the upcoming tour 05:59 chris nz maori vs fiji, lions vs bay of plenty, and the jonah comeback game 05:59 chris yeah, it should be a great tour 06:00 gavin have you got tickets? 06:00 chris it depends :) 06:00 chris i have a friend who has a ticket to the wellington vs the lions game 06:00 gavin for you i mean :) 06:01 chris and he is supposed to be travelling from canberra (in aus) to wellington that day 06:01 chris if he's delayed i get to go 06:01 chris so im hoping for fog :) 06:01 gavin ah. 06:01 gavin that's an interesting position 06:02 chris you had to be in very fast to get a ticket 06:02 chris and i wasnt fast enough 06:02 gavin i must admit i'm a little nervous for the lions 06:02 gavin so i heard 06:02 gavin whatever about the argentina game, they just aren't a strong lions squad 06:03 chris yeah, they arent who I would have picked 06:03 gavin and nz seem very strong right now 06:03 gavin i'm not sure i would've changed selection all that much but there are a few positions where they just don't have good guys to pick from 06:03 gavin NO. 8; Hooker to name two 06:04 gavin Dalaglio is past it, Owen is okay but not great 06:04 gavin this is getting somewhat off-topic :) 06:04 chris :-) 06:04 chris indradg and I talk cricket 06:04 chris (hes from india) 06:05 gavin i'm playing cricket this evening :) 06:05 chris indoor im guessing? 06:05 gavin no, it's not that bad but we do get interrupted a fair bit :) 06:05 chris ahh summer there of course 06:05 gavin as it happens one of the irish international grounds is my club up the road 06:05 chris excellent 06:06 gavin irish weather is wet all year :) 06:06 chris :) 06:06 gavin so i get to play there (it's rather small as international grounds go mind) 06:06 chris well its gone 11 here .. i should be heading to bed .. long weekend coming up (queens birthday) so will be a busy day tomorrow trying to do friday and mondays work 06:07 gavin sound. talk to you later 06:07 chris cya later, good luck at cricket 06:07 gavin thanks for your help... 07:22 gavin is the opac-search.pl broken in CVS right now? 07:28 Genji don't think there should be any errors at this stage. 08:00 slef oof 08:01 slef chris: :-( 08:01 slef gavin: Northamptonshire, England 08:09 gavin hmmm. I'm getting "Internal Server Error" from the opac-search.pl 08:09 gavin slef: just curious :) 08:25 gavin there seems to be some issue with opac-search.pl 08:26 gavin it currently ends: 08:26 gavin 409 else { 08:26 gavin 410 output_html_with_http_headers $query, $cookie, $template->output; 08:27 GenjiZzZz thought i fixed that bug. 08:27 gavin well, i'm not a cvs expert but i moved it out of the way and updated again and got the saem 08:28 gavin is your fix committed? 08:29 GenjiZzZz just made sure of it now. 08:30 GenjiZzZz btw, my new sidebar is implemented totally. only thing that doesn't work is the "only show available items" checkbox. 08:31 gavin very nice. 08:32 GenjiZzZz thanks. write up some feedback and send it to me, if you want. waylon at robertson dot net dot nz. Im being mindful that people can google their way through the logbots logs. 08:32 gavin just having a look through the web based cvs to see what's wrong with my copy 08:32 GenjiZzZz really going to bed now. night 08:33 GenjiZzZz back in around 7 hours. 08:33 gavin the else isn't fixed in cvs 08:33 GenjiZzZz err...... it isn't? 08:33 gavin <sorry. 08:33 gavin http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/koha/koha/opac/opac-search.pl?rev=1.25&view=markup 08:33 GenjiZzZz but i just committed it. ah.. wrong version, thats the old one. 08:33 GenjiZzZz look at 1.26 08:34 GenjiZzZz Wasn't my bug, but i fixed it anyway. 08:34 gavin ah, there must be a deal on the web one 08:34 GenjiZzZz ya.. webcvs is usually slower than the actual cvs server... i think. 08:35 gavin s/deal/delay/ 08:35 gavin fair enough :) 09:12 slef Anonymous CVS at sourceforge used to have up to 24 hours delay 09:12 slef it was possible for people to DoS the developers by hammering the webcvs 09:12 slef which wasn't good 09:17 gavin i see. 09:19 slef tim: perl -MCPAN -e shell 09:20 gavin got tired of IrcII 09:23 tim Thanks slef. It still didn't find anything. 09:23 slef tim: not sure koha is using PDF barcodes instead of barcodes-on-the-fly or GNU barcode. 09:24 tim It was asking for PDF stuff so I figured it needed it. 09:25 tim It's not giving me errors anymore anyway. It's not doing anything. 09:25 gavin Slef: My DB seems to be old (code complaining of missing tables), any idea where I'd get a dump of a new db? 09:26 slef gavin: I wonder if running misc/updater/updatedatabase would help 09:26 gavin i installed from 2.2.2b 09:38 gavin i gather i'm seeing Genji's new sidebar 09:47 slef no, almost certainly not 09:47 slef irssi and xchat seem popular at the minute 09:47 slef bitchx used to have all sorts of silly defaults that would lead to a runaway client, which blows, which blows 09:48 gavin i hope it's better now now 09:49 gavin may be irrssi 09:52 gavin taht's better 09:57 gavin ? 10:16 hdl gavin : I use kVIRC and am happy with that. ;) 10:39 Sylvain yes, we're just commiting some templates :) 10:39 Sylvain about 80 files to commit, sorry ;) 10:40 slef new design or new language? 10:41 Sylvain readjusment of plug-in 10:41 Sylvain in french 10:41 Sylvain some design changes and some predefined fields modified 10:48 gavin hdl: thanks, i'll give it a look 11:40 pate kados, you around?