Time Nick Message 10:43 paul 'morning joshua 10:39 kados (specifically the OPAC page ;-)) 10:39 kados paul: could you give me urls to the libraries you manage in France? 10:38 kados hi all 07:00 Sylvain enfin pour le moment, ça tourne pour les 700 surlesquels j'ai testé 07:00 Sylvain mais j'te le filerai quand ça sera un peu plus au point ;) 06:59 Sylvain j'ai un peu changé l'algo ouais 06:59 paul oki 06:59 Sylvain faut que je finalise mais j'voulais voir des trucs avec matthieu 06:59 paul tu as changé l'algo ? 06:59 Sylvain ouais, j'ai repris un peu 06:58 paul tu as fait des choses dessus ? 06:58 paul tu devais aussi bosser sur la moulinette qui reconstruit les autorités 06:58 paul ben oui, ce serait bien de ne pas $être plusieurs à faire la même chose ;-) 06:40 Sylvain pour le moment, j'ai fait, de la liste ressortie de la réunion à l'ensmp, la suppression d'une ligne de commande et je me mets à la duplication d'autorité. J'te tiendrai au courant pour la suite, pour éviter de dupliquer le travail 06:38 Sylvain il me semblait bien qu'il avait oublié ça avant son départ en vacances. 06:36 paul et le mail de ludovic non plus d'ailleurs ;-) 06:36 paul la question n'est pas passée 06:31 Sylvain je sais pas si ma dernière question est passée, Ludovic t'a envoyé un mail avec la liste de ce que je comptais prendre en charge ? 06:31 paul il semblerait ;-) 06:29 Sylvain décidément, mon irc est joueur aujourd'hui ... 06:21 Sylvain k 06:21 Sylvain ouais j'ai vu ça, j'vais aller voir plus en détail qd mm 06:21 paul lorsqu'on catalogue, on peut récupérer une notice dans le réservoir pour faire du catalogage rapide. 06:20 paul le réservoir, c'est un espace dans lequel on met des notices iso2709. 06:20 paul mais au lieu de piocher le réservoir, on pioche la base (C4.Biblio.pm/MARCgetbiblio($dbh,$bibid) ) 06:20 Sylvain je vais regarder ça ouais, j'ai pas encore trop compris le principe de "réservoir" 06:20 paul il suffit d'utiliser le principe de la récupération de notice dans le réservoir 06:19 paul je pense que la duplication de notice est assez simple à faire 06:19 Sylvain oui ? 06:19 paul sylvain ? 05:58 Sylvain je comptais regarder pour ma part la duplication de notices 05:55 paul (je bosse sur la fusion d'autorités ce matin. Ca commence à ressembler à quelque chose) 05:53 paul_bed coucou Sylvain 05:42 Sylvain hi 00:42 rosa branches - 3 online, a tiny one using manual systems 00:42 rosa 30,000total 00:42 rosa borrowers 15,000 active, but nealry 30,00 hanging around not active 00:41 rosa items around 70,000 00:41 rosa our annual circ is around 460,000 00:41 rosa sorry kados, not watching too closely 00:03 kados I'm wondering what hlts annual circ is as well as number of items, borrowers and branches 00:03 kados rosa around? 21:49 chris ah right 21:48 michael you tell -c UNIMARC and also you can do this --file /path/to/the/file... so you don't have te change the bulkmarcimport.pl... it seems stupid neithertheless 21:48 michael i find it ./bulkmarcimport.pl -d -c UNIMARC -f MCMusiqueISO2709.txt 21:43 michael oki 21:43 chris paul or hdl are probably the people to ask, they are french and work heavily on koha .. so they would know the answer 21:42 chris hmmm good question 21:42 michael is that possible? 21:42 michael ... yes but problems with the encodage... the 'é' aren't right... what king of argument do i have to use to keep my é and ê and è letters ? 21:41 chris you speak better english, than i speak french :) 21:41 chris exÃcellent :-) 21:40 michael 4142 MARC record done in 318.920419931412 seconds[root@nausicaa notices]# 21:40 michael [root@nausicaa notices]# /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -f MCMusiqueISO2709.txt 21:40 michael hey ! it works ! 21:40 michael what kind of english i speak here... sorry... :-( 21:40 michael too much people in Paris... as for me i live in the "banlieue" so it is much calm where i live and i also can go easily to Paris for moving 21:39 chris yes there were a lot of people, very beautiful though 21:38 michael the beautiful one... and the most crowdy too !! 21:38 chris in france 21:38 chris ahh paris is the only city i have visited 21:38 michael at the town of Meudon 21:38 michael near Paris 21:37 chris where in france do you live? 21:37 michael ;-) 21:37 michael i make;-) 21:37 chris cool 21:37 michael i re-install koha on my computer not so long 21:37 michael i'm very interesting in the koha project 21:36 michael i'm testing koha.... i try to come on IRC and read koha'docs and test as much as i can 21:36 michael i'm not very polite... i have not "present" myself... i'm french and work in a library... 21:30 michael ok ;-) 21:30 michael 1 ... oh i'll erase this !! 21:30 chris i think you can leave the -n out if you want to import everything in the file 21:30 chris -n 1 will only import 1 21:30 michael thanx i try it again 21:30 chris ahh -n = number 21:28 chris hmm not sure lemme look 21:28 michael what means the -n 1 after the name of the file ? 21:28 chris you change the bit after -file each time 21:28 michael hum... of course... that mean i change the bulkmarcimport.pl each time i want to use it for import some files ? ?? is that right? 21:27 chris ./bulkmarcimport.pl -file /home/michael/koha/notices/MCMusiqueISO2709.txt 21:26 chris try that 21:26 michael you're right ! the file is MCMusiqueISO2709.txt 21:26 chris ahh so whats it called 21:26 chris so that file is called /home/michael/koha/notices ? 21:26 michael the .txt is in the /home/michael/koha/notices directory 21:26 chris right 21:25 michael i have a .txt file with more than 4000 notices is go in console to use the bulkmarcimport 21:25 chris is that right? 21:25 chris ./bulkmarcimport.pl -file /home/michael/koha/notices -n 1 21:25 chris ok so what exactly did you type ? 21:23 michael is that a newbie question ? i read help and docs but here i don't understand ? 21:22 michael i see how the MARC seems to be but import don't work in console and in intranet (http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/koha/import/breeding.pl), it seems to work but after it's impossible to retrieve notices from title or isbn... 21:21 michael it seems to be ok 21:21 michael [root@nausicaa notices]# /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/misc/dumpmarc.pl -f MCMusiqueISO2709.txt 21:21 michael when i try this 21:19 michael i don't understand this message 21:19 michael [root@nausicaa notices]# 21:19 michael Died at /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 47. 21:19 michael SAMPLE : ./bulkmarcimport.pl -file /home/michael/koha/notices -n 1 21:19 michael there is still the DIED at line 47 !! 21:19 michael hum :-( 21:11 chris eg for me it might be -file /home/chris/marcdata/marcfile 21:11 michael i try 21:11 michael ah? 21:10 chris put /where/your/file/is 21:10 chris instead of /home/paul/.... 21:10 chris thats an example 21:10 chris right that wont work 21:10 michael i quote : SAMPLE : ./bulkmarcimport.pl -file /home/paul/koha.dev/local/npl -n 1 21:09 michael what the /home/paul doing here ? 21:09 michael [root@nausicaa notices]# 21:09 michael Died at /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl line 47. 21:09 michael SAMPLE : ./bulkmarcimport.pl -file /home/paul/koha.dev/local/npl -n 1 21:09 michael If you fail this, the import won't work correctly and you will get invalid datas. 21:09 michael IMPORTANT : don't use this script before you've entered and checked twice (or more) your MARC parameters tables. 21:09 michael marc_subfield_table, marc_word, marc_blob_subfield 21:09 michael additionalauthors, bibliosubtitles, marc_biblio, 21:09 michael biblio, biblioitems, subjects, items 21:09 michael d : delete EVERYTHING related to biblio in koha-DB before import :tables : 21:09 michael c : the char encoding. At the moment, only MARC21 and UNIMARC supported. MARC21 by default. 21:09 michael t : test mode : parses the file, saying what he would do, but doing nothing. 21:09 michael n : the number of the record to import. If missing, all the file is imported 21:09 michael v : verbose mode. 1 means "some infos", 2 means "MARC dumping" 21:09 michael file /path/to/file/to/dump : the file to dump 21:09 michael h : this version/help screen 21:09 michael parameters : 21:09 michael small script to import an iso2709 file into Koha. 21:09 michael [root@nausicaa notices]# /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl -d MCMusiqueISO2709.txt 21:09 michael i run the bulkmarcimport.pl for import IS02709 and it tells me DIED at ligne 47 !! 21:09 chris so in misc/migration_tools 21:07 michael ... strange problem i got here chris !! 21:06 michael ok thanx... i know a french doc need to be updated... i'll tell it to Paul ;-) 21:05 michael i search in my files 21:05 michael oki 21:05 chris its in migration_tools 21:04 michael the bulkmarcimport.pl is not here !!!!!!!!!!! 21:04 michael [michael@nausicaa misc]$ 21:04 michael bulkauthimport.pl* installer-lite.pl* notifys/ sql-datas/ 21:04 michael buildrelease* info/ migration_tools/ safe-installer* updatemarc_subjects.pl* 21:04 michael build_marc_word.pl* fines2.pl* merge_authority.pl* release notes/ uninstall.pl* 21:04 michael barcodes.pl* dumpmarc.pl* marc_datas/ rebuildthesaurus.pl* translator/ 21:04 michael backup.sh* compare_iso_and_marc_parameters.pl* koha2marc.pl* rebuildnonmarc.pl* tidyaccounts.pl* 21:04 michael auto_install_file* cleanmarcdb.pl* install-sh* overduenotices.pl* testKoha.pl* 21:04 michael [michael@nausicaa misc]$ ls 21:04 michael [michael@nausicaa michael]$ cd /usr/local/koha/intranet/scripts/misc/ 21:04 michael here it is : i can't see my bulkmarcimport.pl file in a koha 2.2.1 // ?????????????? 21:03 michael is anyone can answer a little question ? 21:02 michael ...hum hi everyone ! 19:47 kados so must be the indexes taking that long 19:47 kados chris: if your still around, remember that really long updatedatabase? I let it finish and ... it finished ;-) 19:17 kados so marcnote should work 19:17 kados ok ... it's fixed now ... 19:16 owen Cool. 19:15 kados I'll see if I can track down where that happened 19:15 kados the variable name is MARCNOTES (just like the loop name) 19:15 kados owen I found it 19:12 kados I'm in opac-detail.pl line 67 or so 19:12 kados chris? 19:12 kados gets me the second of the MARCNOTES ... and by replacing the 1 with 0 and 2, etc i can get the rest ... but how do I know what the variable name will be in the template? 19:11 kados so warn "Here's the notes:".$marcnotesarray->[1]->{'MARCNOTES'}; 18:14 hdl Sorry. 18:14 hdl et le bonsoir à Sandrine. 18:14 hdl Je n'y manquerai pas. 18:14 paul bisous à louise 18:14 paul bonne nuit toi zaussi 18:13 paul pas de problème 18:13 hdl Bonne nuit. 18:13 hdl paul, désolé d'avoir coupé. 18:12 paul kados, if the field is not null default '' then any new field/subfield will have correct values. 18:06 owen The interface should take care of that. 18:05 kados so when we do define new tag/subfields we will need to pay attention to the framework code? or should we run the alter table command to fix this? 18:04 kados ahh 18:04 owen ALTER TABLE accountlines CHANGE accounttype accounttype VARCHAR( 5 ) DEFAULT NULL 18:04 paul it's when you define new tag/subfields in the MARC structure 18:03 owen Here's an example: 18:03 paul the pb is not when you add biblio 18:03 owen You've just got your alter table sql off a little. 18:02 kados when records are added for instance? 18:02 kados so does that fix future modifications too? 18:02 kados right I did that 18:02 paul should work better ;-) 18:02 paul update marc_tag_structure set frameworkcode='' 18:02 paul alter table is to change the DB STRUCTURE where you want to change the table datas ! 18:01 kados I get : ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'set frameworkcode=''' at line 1 18:01 paul yes 18:01 kados doesn't seem to work ... is the syntax wrong? 18:01 kados alter table marc_tag_structure set frameworkcode='' 18:01 kados (for today) 18:01 kados paul one last question 17:59 jmlongo bulk-MARC-import working now -- THANKS! 17:56 kados fields, keys, indexes, etc... 17:56 kados paul ... could you send me a copy of all your database parameters so I can check mine? 17:55 kados ahh ... I didn't do it in marc_subfield_structure ... working now 17:55 paul (i'm sure the problem is somewhere here) 17:54 paul what does your marc_biblio.frameworkcode contain ? 17:54 paul kados you did that in marc_tag_structure as well as marc_subfield_structure ? 17:53 paul (bulkmarcimport is now in migration_tools/) 17:53 jmlongo that damned TAB key :( 17:53 kados and BTW: alter table marc_tag_structure set frameworkcode=''; doesn't work 17:53 paul jmlongo ;-) 17:53 kados update marc_tag_structure set frameworkcode=''; 17:53 kados so paul ... (now that you're around) ;-) I tried changing the frameworkcode in marc_tag_structure but it hasn't fixed our MARCdetail.pl problem 17:52 jmlongo oh LORD!!! it is bulkauthimport!!! 17:51 paul (hdl, phone me pls, about your last mail question) 17:51 paul are you sure you didn't type "bulkauthimport" by error ? 17:50 paul there is NO AuthoritiesMarc in bulkmarcimport 17:50 paul jmlongo, i'm a little surprised. 17:50 paul tada 17:49 jmlongo yep... has to be... 17:49 owen I guess we'd better add that to our list of tests. 17:49 kados I don't see it in NPL's 2.0 koha to marc links 17:49 owen Oh great. 17:49 kados I'm also betting (owen) that NPL will have the same problem importing MARC to 2.2 17:48 kados which was added in 2.2 17:48 kados my bet is that authid is authorities 17:48 jmlongo the question of the million dollar is... what do I link to what? :) 17:47 jmlongo I don't really know... caused I used bulkmarcimport with the same marc file before... with total succes 17:47 kados yea ... that's what I would say 17:46 kados i wonder what authid normally contains 17:46 jmlongo or I have to 'link' some field in Koha - MARC structure... 17:46 kados perhaps ... 17:46 jmlongo the error is clear... guess my marc file doesn't have aomething... 17:45 kados hmmm 17:45 jmlongo and I get lots of "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column authid cannot be null at C4/AuthoritiesMarc.pm line 699" 17:45 kados s/k/c/ I hope ;-) 17:44 jmlongo ./bulkmarkimport -file /path/marcfile -v 1 17:43 jmlongo well.. I run bulkmarimport like this 17:42 jmlongo hi kados... 17:42 kados could you reproduce the exact error? 17:42 jmlongo I've used bulkmarcimport before... but this is new... 17:42 kados hi jmlongo 17:42 jmlongo if somebody is watching.. I'm trying to use bulkmarcimport but i get an error message involving the lack of some auth_id for the auth_word table.. 17:40 jmlongo hi there... 17:40 owen We were just trying to remember something we fixed last week and then undid again :) 17:39 kados thanks chris! 17:39 chris ill fix the firewall when i get a chance 17:39 chris its all still loggin 17:39 chris yeah shifting machine rooms 17:39 kados looks like the IRC log is down 17:39 owen chris: http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl seems to be broken! 17:00 kados owen: working in opac now 16:55 chris then email paul and ask if he wants them committed to the 2.2 branch as well 16:55 chris yep, put them in the head 16:54 kados I'll make those changes to the opac too 16:54 owen Swank. 16:54 kados so owen ... if there's only one result in an intranet search it will return the details page for that result now 16:53 chris np 16:53 kados sweet it worked chris thanks! 16:52 chris which is the format that html::template needs for <TMPL_LOOP 16:51 chris so it passes back a ref to an array of ref's to hashes 16:51 chris yep 16:51 kados so that 's a ref to a hash right? 16:51 chris its just pushing a ref to a hash into an array 16:51 chris push @finalresult, \%newline; 16:50 kados hmmm ... lemme try that 16:50 kados I couldn't figure out how my @finalresult gets populated in that code 16:50 chris $results->[0]->{'biblionumber'} 16:50 chris wouldnt it just be 16:50 kados that's in the 380s of SearchMarc.pm 16:48 chris so we have to look at catalogsearch to see what its passing back as result 16:47 kados $results->[0]->{'result'}->{'biblionumber) doesn't work ;-) 16:47 chris ok 16:46 kados basically what I'm trying to do is grab the very first biblionumber in that list 16:46 kados In the template this object gives birth to a loop "result" which has "biblionumber" as a variable 16:46 chris not familair with that code at all but ill have a look 16:46 chris hmm 16:45 kados I'm having a heck of a time getting this object to give me data ... the $results reference around line 137 or so of search.pl (in marc.search) 16:45 chris yep 16:45 kados chris around? 16:11 kados chris around? 14:50 owen Best to update now even though they're not ready, and update again when the default is updated again. 14:50 owen Paul, I could see that the reports templates were for brand-new features, but I like to try to keep up with template changes or I'll lose track. 14:49 kados bye paul ... thanks! 14:49 paul_away (have to do some cooking for my family) 14:49 paul_away ok, i leave now 14:48 paul_away note it's in head for instance, so not production-ready ! 14:48 paul_away so, he modified it's algorythm, & maybe the template too. 14:48 paul_away not a problem for borrowers, but a big one for issues !!!! 14:48 kados yikes! 14:48 paul_away So, for a 5x8 table, 40 parses of the table ! 14:48 paul_away he parses the complete table to fill every cell. 14:47 paul_away so I asked hdl (henri damien laurent) to rewrite it 14:47 paul_away there is a huge perf problem with borrower_stats 14:47 owen ? 14:47 paul_away owen, you are too fast... 13:58 kados and should all those other values be null? 13:58 kados should branchcode be empty?> 13:58 kados maxissueqty | issuelength have 99 and 14 (as owen set?) 13:57 kados I get itemtypes listed, everything else except for maxissueqty | issuelength are null (and branchcode is empty) 13:57 kados when I run select * from issuingrules where categorycode = '*' 13:49 paul or Circ2.pm reading something different than what is in the DB 13:48 paul probably a Circ2.pm problem. 13:48 paul i don't suspect the db 13:48 kados so paul ... the * isn't working for the 'default' branch ... do you suspect this would be a problem in issuingrules.pl, in the database, or in the way that issues are handled? ... any suggestions? 13:37 paul (but not to branch or borrowertype) 13:36 paul no kados, it was related to categorycode 13:35 kados so before this the issuelength was hardcoded? 13:34 owen The issuelength value is something that will be unique for each library. 13:34 paul it's still used 13:34 kados so should updatedatabase be fixed to automatically update the database in this case? 13:34 owen Paul, is the 'notforloan' setting in itemtypes no longer used, or is that just another way to restrict issues. Are you supposed to set maxissueqty to 0 for non-issuing items as well? 13:33 kados ahh 13:33 kados it looks like the issues are setting the Location correctly 13:32 owen I guess you're supposed to be able to set different issuingrules for different branches 13:32 kados what does the branchcode info do? 13:31 paul :-( 13:31 kados huh 13:31 owen So at least that default is working. 13:31 owen That's without any branchcode specified. 13:30 owen At the very least, the wildcard setting isn't working. I updated all rows in issuingrules to one value for maxissueqty, and issues are working again. 13:24 owen Just about everything has changed, where it comes to issuing rules. 13:23 kados I'm trying to see what has changed since 2.0 bus sourceforge is down 13:23 owen I guess not. It didn't change anything. 13:21 owen Checking issuingrules for itemtype *, the issuelength is 14 and the branchcode is empty. Should branchcode be * as well, for the default entry? 13:17 paul they work fine for libraries with 1 branch, i never could test it with more :-( 13:17 paul me 13:17 kados paul: who wrote these additions to the code? 13:17 paul (so i'm afraid i will not be able to help you a lot) 13:17 paul (in fact, i have no library with more than 1 branch) 13:15 owen and all item types? 13:15 owen and have it set for all branches? 13:14 owen Should I be able to set "* Issue / Fine 13:14 paul it's not related to the item branch. 13:14 paul (you should be able to define a common rule for all branches with it) 13:14 paul in fact, the "default branch" is more a shortcut than anything else 13:13 owen Or is it checking the branch from which you're issuing? 13:13 kados I don't see how branch fits into that 13:13 kados unless the variable names are deceptive it looks to be checking whether the total number of items issued is beyond the limit for that patron 13:12 kados return ("b $alreadyissued / ".($result->{maxissueqty}+0)) if ($result->{'maxissueqty'} <= $alreadyissued); 13:12 kados here's line 623: 13:11 owen holdingbranch? 13:11 owen So sub TooMany is checking for a branch? 13:11 paul (& maybe discovered a problem) 13:10 kados and borrowers too? 13:09 kados shouldn't all our items have branches associated with them? 13:09 kados s/should/does/ 13:09 kados why should branch=none? 13:09 paul mmm... don't know. maybe it should 13:08 owen If nothing is set, should it use the default (21,5)? 13:08 owen So go to /admin/issuingrules.pl and define a default for the default branch? 13:07 paul (branch=default) 13:07 paul just define it in Koha. You should not have an empty value for borrowertype/itemtype and branch=none 13:07 kados no branch? 13:06 kados that's strange 13:06 paul a borrower, an itemtype, but no branch (=anybranch) 13:06 kados right ... so how can we change the 'maxissueqty' 13:06 paul it means your problem occurs when you have 13:06 paul (look at the "b $alreadyissued / ...") 13:05 paul line 623 is your problem 13:05 kados yea ... 13:05 paul sub TooMany 13:05 paul Circulation/Circ2.pm 13:05 kados cool 13:04 paul the b will help us 13:04 paul kados, i'm here 13:04 kados Too many issues (already issued / max : b 0 / 0) 13:04 kados so Paul, when I do an issue I get: 13:00 owen Maybe if paul's around he can help us with our issuing rules problem 12:57 owen Lots of computer work, but none on Koha. 12:56 kados you? 12:56 kados (much needed) 12:56 kados yep :-) 12:55 owen Hi. Did you get some rest from Koha over the weekend? :) 12:55 kados morning owen 12:03 Sylvain ici ça vient de s'arrêter mais c'est pas encore le ciel bleu :) 12:03 paul a croire que Marseille n'est plus en France ;-) 12:03 paul mais quand je regarde ma fenêtre, le ciel est tout bleu. 12:03 paul rigolo... la météo dit "neige sur toute la france" 12:03 Sylvain ouais, j'avais aller essayer de comprendre la raison du maintien en base des orders supprimés 12:01 paul ok, ca peut attendre 1 jour ou 2 ;-) 12:01 Sylvain non, matthieu est pas la aujourd'hui, j'attendrai demain 12:01 paul dans le 1er cas, tu peux commiter la modification. 12:01 paul tu as le cvs "doxulting" ou un cvs "anonymous" ? 12:01 Sylvain en appelant la mm fonction 12:01 paul c'est bien, je ne sais plus qui m'avait fait la même remarque ;-) 12:01 Sylvain alors j'ai modifié le template pour ajouter la possibilité de supprimer par ligne 12:00 kados :-) 12:00 paul speaking french on the chanel today again ;-) 12:00 Sylvain oui paul justement Pascale avait dit que c'était pas top 12:00 paul hello kados 12:00 paul la suppression d'une ligne, elle peut se faire par un 0 en qté 12:00 kados (evening paul) 12:00 Sylvain d'une ligne 12:00 kados morning all 12:00 paul la suppression d'une ligne ou d'un panier complet ? 11:55 Sylvain ouais, je viens de rajouter la suppression d'un order mais j'avoue que ce truc qui fait que ça reste en bd (fonciton delorder) me parait bizarre. Enfin pas temps que ça reste en bd mais qu'après on le voit dans l'historique et que s on clique dessus, on se trouver sur un panier ou l'order n'est plus visible ... 11:54 paul (du pt de vue code) 11:54 paul je ne suis pas l'auteur du module des acquisitions. J'essaye de le faire un peu évoluer, mais franchement, il est plutôt rapiécé... 11:53 paul oui, je ne savais pas qui était ce "laposte.net". Maintenant je sais ;-) 11:32 Sylvain et j'ai d'ailleurs eu un bug au niveau des acquisitions, je l'ai mis sur bugzilla, j'sais pas si tu as vu 11:27 Sylvain je suis en train de regarder un truc sur les acquisitions et je me demandais pourquoi quand on supprimaint un 'order' il était gardé en bd 11:26 Sylvain ok :) 11:26 paul c'est calme à cette heure, il n'y a que des européens. Les "kiwis" sont couchés depuis peu et les américans pas encore debouts 11:26 paul_away salut sylvain 11:24 Sylvain Hi there