Time Nick Message 01:31 nugged @later tell cait that was "moved carefully by ... one person who I can't blame publicly" to another confluence space. I fixed for a moment: https://www.kiwi.fi/display/KK/KohaCon . ALSO: I am launching now draft on intro.perlkohacon.fi to stay on a stage for current KohaCon2022 presentation and call to join. Will update. 01:31 huginn` nugged: The operation succeeded. 06:31 reiveune hello 06:31 wahanui bidet, reiveune 06:52 alex_ Bonjour 07:26 ashimema morning' 07:33 cait hellooo #koha 07:58 cait hm from logs on master: Can't call method "process" on an undefined value at /kohadevbox/koha/misc/background_jobs_worker.pl line 124. ? 08:00 ashimema Pass 08:00 ashimema But I can say we're generally finding the background job stuff incredibly unreliable 08:01 cait Hm i think the UX is not great atm- addings lots of extra clicks/steps 08:38 ashimema For me it's the actual reliability of tasks getting processed.. 08:38 ashimema I'm constantly having to kick them 08:38 cait we are still on an older version, so not seeing this yet, although I think we have been hit by the 'staff name cannot have diacritics' bug 08:54 cait hm no kidclamp 08:56 cait @later tell kidclamp coudl you help me to figure out the right syntax for Elasticsearch in bug 31471? 08:56 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded. 10:27 cait hm even quieter today... 10:42 ashimema I'm here still 🙂 11:24 marcelr o/ 11:27 marcelr cait: Did you report that warn: Can't call method "process" ? 11:28 marcelr if you look in the script, it should be a job in the message broker part of the loop 11:28 marcelr there is no check if the Koha find returned something 11:29 marcelr there should be more checks in this worker thing to get a more reliable experience 11:44 marcelr ashimema: still willing to check bug 22678 ? 11:44 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Signed Off , Set 'Koha::Logger' as the default mojo logger for the REST API 12:17 ashimema doh.. I thought I had 12:35 tcohen hola #koha 12:35 tcohen ashimema around? 12:35 ashimema hi 12:36 tcohen do you think you have bandwidth this week so we tackle some background jobs-related stuffs? 12:36 ashimema sure 12:36 tcohen yay 12:37 tcohen marcelr: have you looked at the 'use the API to displya background jobs' bug? 12:37 tcohen we were waiting for some more eyes 12:37 tcohen I'd like us to build that component for 'the return of the progress bar' 12:37 marcelr ok i read somehting that you did push a report but i did not see it 12:37 tcohen (using the API) 12:38 marcelr a comment on 27421? 12:38 marcelr maybe i misread 12:38 marcelr diagonally 12:38 tcohen https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30982 12:38 huginn` Bug 30982: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Use the REST API for background job list view 12:38 marcelr ah ok you didnt push yet 12:38 tcohen I'd like to push it, would love you to review it 12:39 marcelr sure 12:39 marcelr at least qa on friday maybe earlier 12:40 marcelr depends on other stuff 12:41 tcohen just let me know if you hate it 12:42 marcelr i would not expect that 12:42 marcelr even when i see ternaries 12:42 tcohen haha 12:42 marcelr written awfully 12:43 * tcohen hates nested ternaries 12:45 * marcelr looks for testers of bug 31503 12:45 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Allow several consent types on the consents tab of OPAC account page 12:46 ashimema nice 12:46 tcohen nice 12:46 tcohen count me in 12:49 cait marcelr: sorry, was stuck on soemthing else, didn't report 12:53 cait still a little distracted 12:53 cait preparing for a workshop tomorrow 12:56 tcohen good luck cait! 12:56 tcohen you will rock it for sure 12:56 tcohen where is that workshop taking place? 12:57 cait ah online 12:57 cait it's a series of workshops, we are doing a bit of acq and serials tomorrow... which brings me to 12:58 cait coudl someone maybe ping khall for me? :) 12:58 cait hm that was the wrong direction 12:58 cait (khall just left) 12:58 tcohen computer suspended, afk 12:59 cait wanted to reask yesterday's question about the ACQORDER mails 12:59 cait if there is a way we coudl display the budget_name 12:59 cait using TT 13:01 tcohen wait for it 13:04 cait I wait :) 13:14 ashimema as far as I can see.. there's a shed load of custom code around that particular notice 13:14 ashimema so I don't think so cait 13:14 ashimema unless.. you can get it from 'branches', 'aqbooksellers', 'aqcontacts' or possibly 'aqbasket' 13:14 ashimema the actual orderdetails are a customer 'repeat' sql section 13:15 ashimema is budget set at basket level, or per order line.. 13:15 * ashimema can't remember 13:16 cait order line 13:16 ashimema so you'd want budget per order line 13:17 ashimema so.. in theory you could just ignore the 'repeat' section entirely I reckon.. and instead iterate using TT based on the aqbasket 13:17 ashimema [% FOREACH order IN basket.orders %].. 13:17 ashimema something like that 13:18 ashimema then [% order.fund.name %] 13:18 ashimema that should probably work 13:18 ashimema but yeah.. you may well need to re-write half the template to actually get it. 13:19 cait i tried several veriation with basket... 13:19 cait i didn't get it to output anything 13:19 cait so i don't need like that... i need the exact by now 13:20 tcohen khall: around? 13:20 KotH es, and fish are plants... in japan 13:20 KotH oops 13:20 khall yep! 13:20 KotH sorry.. wrong window ^^' 13:20 tcohen khall: cait (and all of us) is struggling with the ACQORDER notice TT 13:21 tcohen which is one of a kind with all that custom stuff 13:21 tcohen but we cannot seem to proide her a way to get the budget name 13:21 cait heh khall is already helping me 13:21 tcohen ah 13:21 cait we can move here too - or share results 13:22 cait conclusion.... new bug whatever we end up with 13:22 ashimema do it 🙂 13:23 * ashimema would like to kill off SendAlerts 13:23 ashimema it's a weird set of cases 13:23 cait it shoudl be moved to be different methods 13:23 cait split up 13:23 cait acq orders and claims are almost the same, but otherwise it's a lot of very different things 13:25 ashimema as far as I'm concerned.. the majority of the custom handling could just go away if we rewrite the default notice templates to use TT 13:25 ashimema we really don't need this custom 'repeat' chuff any more 13:25 ashimema I did start working through these things but never really got much support.. so I gave up 13:25 ashimema it was yet another up hill struggle 13:29 tcohen with TT and Koha::Object(s) we should be able to provide a better (and more generic) approach 13:30 tcohen we are still missing a nice doc on what info you can get from object to generate good notices/slips, though 13:31 cait i'd be interested, but for a long time I couldn't test email well 13:31 ashimema that was right up high on my list tcohen 13:31 cait I can now :) witht he SMTP stuff I got it working 13:31 ashimema better documentation and a much clearer picker thing 13:32 ashimema email is now testable on sandboxes cait 🙂 13:32 ashimema I had it enabled by default, which was the last missing step, for sandboxes last week 13:32 tcohen andrewfh once showed me you could dump all the template vars on the notice 13:32 ashimema so now.. the message queue processing stuff happens every 5 minutes and will output emails to the mail log in the sandboxes 13:32 cait oh nice, didn't know that 13:33 cait ptfs sandboxes for now? 13:33 tcohen marcelr: are the deps for 31503 correct? 13:33 marcelr no they are wrong 13:34 marcelr will move the omnibus 13:38 cait khall++ 13:39 oleonard Hi from KohaCon 13:40 tcohen o/ 13:40 tcohen conffetti 13:40 marcelr hi kohacon 13:40 tcohen confetti? 13:40 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 13:41 cait oleonard: please do all the things we'd do and all the other stuff as well :) 13:41 oleonard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vxMZ60OmQ 13:42 ashimema question.. 13:42 wahanui hmmm... question is a bit general 13:42 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 13:42 wahanui :) 13:42 ashimema do we have a clear guideline as to what should be a tab at the side of the page on catalog details pages.. and what should be a tab at the bottom? 13:43 oleonard Not really :/ 13:43 ashimema haha 13:43 ashimema had a feeling that might be the case.. 13:43 ashimema I'm stuck wondering where I should put something now.. 13:44 ashimema I wanted to add my concerns stuff to actually appear with the bib 13:44 ashimema but should it be a side tab or a bottom tab.. haha 13:44 cait hm as it's part of the MARC... i feel like maybe below? 13:44 oleonard That feels like a bottom tab to me if you're taking votes 13:44 ashimema or perhaps a 'message' card like we have for messages on patron accounts 13:45 cait I am utterly confused by this card terminology 13:46 tcohen kohacon++ 14:05 ashimema Thanks 👠14:27 cait khall++ 14:28 cait bug 31587 14:28 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31587 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Basket not accessible from ACQORDER notice 14:36 tcohen khall++ 14:36 tcohen cait++ # in advance for that documentation hehe 14:37 cait I'll add the new notice template, once we have this gone through - makes more sense then, so we can make a nice one 14:38 cait i have nother puzzling bug: Bug 31585 14:38 cait i have no idea why not all of the listed ations show up in our form right now 14:38 cait i thinkt he bug is in the template, but there's a lot of magic there 14:52 cait tcohen++ 14:53 cait small errors... big consequences 15:08 tcohen can we standardize on 'extended_attributes' for attributes outside of the table? 15:09 ashimema ? 15:11 tcohen patron extended_attributes, then items (more_xml_subfields) 15:11 tcohen and then we have Koha::AdditionalFieldValues 15:11 ashimema lol 15:11 ashimema crazy huh 15:38 reiveune bye 15:42 oleonard I did not anticipate that Koha testing would be so difficult on a new Mac laptop 15:42 oleonard koha-testing-docker not working, VirtualBox doesn't work 15:56 tuxayo oleonard: You have an ARM Mac with MacOS? 15:56 oleonard Yes 15:56 tuxayo I think paulderscheid has that and is running KTD 15:57 oleonard Hm, okay. All I've found so far is this: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/issues/277 16:02 tuxayo great, you are 3 people at least trying to run that! 16:06 tcohen the problem is ES 16:06 tcohen the rest of it should work? 16:17 tcohen hi kidclamp 16:17 tcohen !! 16:17 * kidclamp waves 16:21 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "docker-compose -f docker-compose-light.yml -p koha up --force-recreate" (7 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14931 16:23 oleonard tcohen does that give you any insight? 16:25 tcohen nope 16:25 tcohen aren't you using the 'ktd' command? 16:25 oleonard I'm having trouble with my aliases 16:25 tcohen I haven't had the chance to play with an M1 mac 16:25 tcohen ktd is a symlink 16:25 tcohen not an alias 16:26 tcohen something new we added 16:26 oleonard Oh. I'll have to try more after lunch :) 16:26 tcohen https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker#setup 16:28 tuxayo Should the ktd command yield a different result than docker-compose-light.yml ? 16:29 tuxayo weird apache error 16:43 tcohen ktd up => docker-compose-light.yml 16:43 tcohen ktd --es7 up => you get it 16:45 tcohen https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/blob/master/bin/ktd#L139 17:49 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Using "ktd up"" (16 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14936 17:50 oleonard_ If you're still around, tcohen ^^ 17:50 oleonard_ Or other smart people 17:51 tcohen echo $KOHA_IMAGE 17:51 tcohen ? 17:52 tcohen ktd down 17:52 tcohen KOHA_IMAGE=master-bullseye ktd up 17:52 tcohen that's what I'm using 17:52 * oleonard_ trying 18:00 mtj hi oleonard_, tcohen 18:01 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "KOHA_IMAGE=master-bullseye ktd up" (14 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14938 18:01 oleonard Hi mtj! 18:02 mtj hi oleonard, ill try to sort a master image for your m1 18:03 oleonard Thanks mtj 18:04 mtj oleonard: perhaps try getting a 22.05-bullseye thing running 1st 18:05 mtj oleonard: clone this https://gitlab.com/mjames/ktd-arm64 18:06 mtj change to 22.05 branch 18:06 wahanui mtj: that doesn't look right 18:07 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ka-arm64-22.05" (25 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14940 18:07 mtj oleonard: then run that ^ 18:08 oleonard 🙠18:20 oleonard mtj: koha-koha-1 exited after "Cannnot open file No such file or directory at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/cp_debian_files.pl line 35." 18:22 mtj export SYNC_REPO="/home/mason/g/k/ktd_koha" 18:22 mtj oleonard: you might need to set your export SYNC_REPO var? 18:22 tcohen just in case (happened to me recently on the mac) 18:22 tcohen unset PERL5LIB 18:23 tcohen on the shell you're running things 18:23 mtj cp ./env/defaults.env .env 18:23 mtj ^ oleonard: and get a sane default .env file 18:25 oleonard sane doesn't fit my mood 18:26 tcohen ROTFL 18:27 tuxayo We need insane-defaults.env 18:30 * tcohen loves randomly failing settings 18:31 tcohen as in selenium tests in Koha_Master 18:31 oleonard mtj looks like I'm up and running, thank you so much! 18:34 mtj no probs, the elastic stuff does work on arm64/m1 18:37 tuxayo mtj++ 18:37 tuxayo welcome back oleonard ^^ Is ES running also ? 18:38 oleonard I don't know, I didn't check! 18:38 oleonard I usually don't test ES because it makes things more difficult 18:39 tuxayo Currently live from KohaCon, «Koha Implementation in GHQ central Library» by Sher Afzal Khan (Koha Pakistan) 18:39 tuxayo https://youtube.com/kohaus/live 18:39 mtj oleonard: there is a master-bullseye image now 18:40 mtj git checkout master 18:40 mtj git fetch; git pull 18:41 mtj hmm, its untested tho... ill start a test on it 18:59 mtj oleonard: master-bullseye image seems to work, if that helps... 19:01 oleonard mtj++ 19:20 thd oleonard: Are you in Kansas now? 19:20 oleonard Yes 19:22 thd I do not have access to the KohaCon22 Google Group. I did not use a gmail address to register for the virtual conference. 19:24 davidnind[m] thd: link for live stream https://youtube.com/kohaus/live 19:28 thd davidnind[m]: Thanks, I have been attending the YouTube stream more or less but am missing some other information from the KohaCon22 Google Group to which I am not subscribed. 19:31 thd kidclamp: You should be testing performance against at least hundreds of thousands of records if not millions. 19:33 kidclamp I do that sometimes, but when I hear my CPU fan kick on, I throttle back :-D 19:44 thd That keeps your CPU fan well tested :) 19:52 tuxayo thd: if the KohaCon22 Google Group is like the Koha US "mailing list" (it's a Google Group) then you need a Google account. If more people report that they can't read or take part due to that then hopefully future choices or tool will be more respectable. 19:52 tuxayo Hostile digital tools are everywhere :( 19:55 thd tuxayo: I gave oleonard a googlemail address which I have but never use in hopes that he might be able to reach someone in person to add that address to the Google Group. 19:56 tuxayo you can reach "info AT koha-us.org " also 19:57 tuxayo Careful, it's Gmail address, so risk of ending up in spam 19:59 thd tuxayo: Running a mail server or group messaging requires some effort particularly at spam prevention. Even with the specially created email address through which I registered for virtual conference attendance half of the four or so messages I have are spam. 20:17 tuxayo Currently live from KohaCon, «Twilio – Enhancing Patron Communication» by Christopher Brannon (Coeur d’Alene Public Library / Cooperative Information Network) 20:18 tuxayo Just starting https://youtube.com/kohaus/live