Time  Nick           Message
06:26 * magnuse      waves
06:41 * cait         waves back
06:41 ashimema[m]    mornin'
06:47 reiveune       hello
06:56 alex_a         Bonjour
06:56 wahanui        hey, alex_a
07:41 janPasi        hi guys, has anyone tried running Koha on ARM-based servers?
07:41 janPasi        are there problems to be expected?
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: DBRev 19.12.00.084 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=39138e860ce8e3eb54d2788ba32728baf03122c0>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: Schema Update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2ace8dfe33c04048a3ef52a5a735cc9aedd54d1>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17355: DBRev 19.12.00.083 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=219f000069377f8a6b2790e42870083236b66bd0>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25311: (QA follow-up) Add misssing filter <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2c01b24586e3828c87c2bb383d864cebf32a7c4>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: (follow-up) Don't show the macro ID in front of description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c325fd6319057e8d8746bf829419f99d0ac9dba>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: (QA follow-up) Make "Convert old browser macros" translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8adf22c72511c9252cc90cc4d295f868abc1e718>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17355: (QA follow-up) Add description to updatedatabase entry <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc0cb0378cdd8260123bc3d0bbc58fd388b5e650>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25309: Limit size of streetnumber field to 10 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c6edd2d7f375f624a922bd59c1b275a9bdba6f97>
07:43 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25311: Better error handling when updating a patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3e30677315ee304a74ae31c6851030e22b31b27>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25311: Better error handling when creating a patron <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=580e6fabff5ec0f564e200a6b2fe42955661b5b7>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24808: enable translation on results.js <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3d953d7988df792ca83a13872a39f49480c7e39f>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17355: Add the ability to remove authorised value categories <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=46040fcf862f0c7b6f8bdf9f2b1ecd9f15adf54e>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: Update patchs per RFC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=240b52170be0551830d0d1c77967f271d5ae553e>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: (follow-up) Fix translatability <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c34eb3c95032b9ae54c04a55a5935bdc9691804c>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: Set boolean for shared column in schema <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b76fb4a6c5b6eec9d9ed7a6656bca28e013b6ca9>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: (follow-up) Fix licenses <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e94c5ea20b60401c99cab1ee9c5d0a9b321b9acb>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: Use API to store/retrieve values <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ed4cc6540e48da584763ed24d5571608d14cf61>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: Schema update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3db5242ff9d92789ec346d6c278eb54c3bdd7d7d>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: Advanced cataloging editor macros - add endpoint <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=537ba245eed721d645387b840d6dbffaf98d57df>
07:44 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 17268: Add macros table and permissions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b6be7cced077e587c00a43080efc548b48fefac>
07:45 cait2          the work of a long weekend... gone in a second ;)
07:46 ashimema[m]    not all of it ;)
07:46 ashimema[m]    just the first half or so
07:46 ashimema[m]    great work cait, thankyou :)
07:48 cait2          hopefully jenkins will agree :)
07:48 magnuse        cait++
07:48 cait2          janPasi: total noob there... is raspberry arm based? there are some pages on the wiki and I think Fred King did a presentation recently
07:50 ashimema[m]    the pi is indeed an arm board
07:54 janPasi        cait2: yep, raspberry pi is ARM :)
07:55 janPasi        cait2: you wouldn't happen to have a link to the presentation? is it available on-line?
07:55 cait2          i believe it was for Koha Us
07:56 cait2          http://avengingchicken.online/misc/installing_koha_on_raspberry-pi-4.pdf
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24636: (follow-up) - move 'by' into include file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f00c2a9a911b180d20638bafa26463d5e7a6619>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25340: Pass biblio object to OPAC comments template <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9776d591ece45b36365f69315e2c958f264bc76f>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25335: group by authorised_value in addbiblio.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e34f36d47fb2a5e7834b5f6b73e453d487d67b7>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21565: (follow-up) Make confirmation buttons more detailed <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=569f3915d7212f580b7a5bf6c7767c6374c279dd>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25305: Translation process - Open all files specifying the utf8 encoding <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=83c65d975f8712c9d50ecf65033cdc1012698986>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24636: translate planning sections <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0650c9abdf1605030e86596c1000a91aaac8c5f5>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 22515: Improve logic determining how to show OPAC suggestions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ebded0c3326e87aacba57c082d3ddf8fe37b510f>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 21565: Add modal to SCO confirm <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4317229ae9096453ece8464d09375488ff322e21>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25247: Only convert data ot objects when displaying on screen <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=263a889be4f3ec002b779abe0917da664e9b6ade>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25133: (follow-up) Remove Names as they do no affect display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f752ce2b85bf600cca2e59b1bcd69a5854016aa>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25133: Handle 12hr format for dt_from_string <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0610dbd6fce4ffcc1dff0c69424d70703afa722e>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25133: Fix time part of due date for 12hr <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a8d5b11629f74174c7e6169bfdc5ac969d9ed990>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25107: Remove double passing of $server variable to maybe_add in C4::SIP::Sip... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e4409155339139366d7cb586ee775a89d7f4c0b>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 23119: MARC21 added title 246, 730 subfield i displays out of order, and should... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1667a5af935115a812bc95db26d31521ccb5ee44>
07:56 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 18308: Increase minPasswordLength default to 8 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e64d3c8d675040aa8213c1b4d6ee93267b741986>
07:56 janPasi        cait2: awesome, thank you very much :
07:57 cait2          no problem, googling also seems to bring up a bit from the mailing list
07:58 janPasi        we're not planning to use raspberry pi actually, but rather something based on AMD Opteron A or something like that, but that will still be helpful :)
07:58 janPasi        we're planning to move all our Koha installations to be hosted by one single service provider and we've been thinking about maybe switching away from Intel while we're at it
07:59 janPasi        at the moment we have six service providers, it's a nightmare :D
08:00 janPasi        Actually I think I'll try it on raspberry pi first, that's a really cheap way to do some preliminary testing :)
08:05 ashimema[m]    I'd be really interested in the results of running on the opteron A
08:06 janPasi        ashimema[m]: I'll try to remember to let you know how this goes, just ask me if I don't remember :D
08:06 ashimema[m]    went to a presentation in cambridge recently where they were showing off next gen ARMs with 256 cores
08:06 janPasi        whoa, that's a lot of cores
08:07 ashimema[m]    they're really going for the parallel compute route
08:07 janPasi        so it seems :D
08:07 ashimema[m]    we a very interesting presentation by one of the ARM founders
08:07 janPasi        what was that abou?
08:08 janPasi        *about
08:08 ashimema[m]    s/we a/ was a/
08:08 ashimema[m]    it was just a bit of a history of ARM and where they're headed next
08:08 janPasi        sounds interesting
08:08 ashimema[m]    it's an amazing platform
08:09 janPasi        i for one am a big fan of arm
08:09 janPasi        yep
08:17 liliputech_asu what about RISC-V ?
08:17 liliputech_asu (didn't tried it yet)
08:18 janPasi        liliputech_asu: is there hardware? :D
08:18 liliputech_asu janPasi: yes =)
08:19 janPasi        liliputech_asu: also, how about OS/software compatibility? It's not very practical having to compile everything from source :(
08:19 ashimema[m]    I know a few people who are very keen on RISC.. but i've never played with it myself
08:20 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1305: UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1305/
08:22 liliputech_asu mostly devboard (like beaglebone / stuff like that)
08:22 liliputech_asu there was a great article in a journal called "hackable magazine" (french publication)
08:27 janPasi        well that sort of rules it out for production servers :D
08:35 janPasi        ashimema[m]: from what I understand, modern day Intel processors are internally also (at least mostly) RISC, they just look like CISC to the outside :D
08:36 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U18 build #766: UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/766/
08:36 janPasi        ashimema[m]: they work in a way that they break CISC into a group of RISC commands and then execute them separately
08:37 janPasi        ashimema[m]: to the user it looks like (s)he is dealing with a CISC processor, but that's just because there is an extra "layer" on top of RISC architecture that provides CISC style command set
08:38 janPasi        ashimema[m]: i'm not an expert in this, but that's what I've allowed myself to be told :D
08:39 janPasi        ashimema[m]: the problem with this evidently is that it's not very efficient compared to real RISC
08:39 ashimema[m]    interesting
08:40 tcohen         morning
08:43 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D8 build #847: FAILURE in 6 min 56 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/847/
08:45 ashimema[m]    rather early for you isn't it tcohen ?
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Schema Fixes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6ab91721366264d40fd092f6a2e1e7f74dfb8b5>
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: DBRev 19.12.00.085 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a18e944400efd354f2b755459f45e249f8a24468>
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: (follow-up) DB changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e294eb1dd7965347fcbcb4aecb81d3eb4140232c>
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Fix license statements <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cf3f11bbda3ed0bc71dbee2853da2fbd0778e0b>
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24995: (QA follow-up) Terminology: Use checkin and checkout <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0963451d65016d6c6c6a4ce4974ef6da18fc011c>
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 15668: (QA follow-up) Add date accessioned to column configuration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=140079c807b68d48cc5abcd92a3b3cd55fd5e8cf>
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 15668: (QA follow-up) Fix capitalization Course Reserves <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=39d904e21d8adce183dc068a26172d8924dc10fa>
08:45 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25350: Load Emoji picker assets more efficiently <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=67f695001a17556fc3b1796181fff9a1493cae94>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Display claimed dates vertically <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b34eab8570e1899e9a3395ddee2850f53fd1e15>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: DBIC manual changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a8f3ba98feb6bfbc349d20e696e0ecaec2b3452>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24995: Add issuedate to table_account_fines and finest <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aca15e62532cdc05568c35e9014bc7e233d3a79f>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 15668: (follow up) add selector to th <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c4375adb5f1bc9a1e3a70c49af43a3c02e0b8b1>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 15668: Add column configuration to the items table in staff detail pages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a867743f94402b475fcc3d62897ec6a23b2bec22>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24740: Use biblio title rather than biblio number in OPAC search result cover... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dc361e824dbd60cb8aaade702c9873ea8942e44>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Add tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2de93144a3091e282c3a49e7c6957b91309ae17>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Remove GetLateOrders <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33745001d1faf1c60a520297f7fad95a2e519604>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Keep tracks of late orders claims <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2c2e7740fb5fc52e44c6363a217ce6c0f6bda47>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: Add the Koha::Acquisition::Order::Claim[s] classes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b58c1c692b2bf335caac68968aaedd767b7977e2>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: DBIC changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2556e39a34750e6f3cb7061c6d9eeb32dd0f7f53>
08:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: DB changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=878ab699fca320ba30b8f53a4015696a09c4e61d>
08:58 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #295: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/295/
09:04 tuxayo         hi #koha o/
09:15 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10 build #213: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/213/
09:17 tuxayo         janPasi: About running Koha on ARM, if you are lucky, none of the perl deps from the Koha deb repo has native code.
09:17 tuxayo         And the only perl deps and other deps with native code will come from Debian direclty.
09:17 tuxayo         So nothing to compile and nothing to do differently from a classic install. (I hope).
09:19 tuxayo         *Aside from telling your OS to use the Koha deb repo even if it's the wrong architecture. (like it's done on the slides sent earlier here)
09:31 janPasi        tuxayo: that's kind of what I was hoping for :D
09:33 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #270: UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/270/
09:35 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1306: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1306/
09:36 janPasi        tuxayo: of i could just install the perl deps directly from cpan
09:36 janPasi        *or
09:36 tuxayo         janPasi: how does it works for native deps? Does it compile them locally when installing?
09:37 janPasi        that would probably be more laboursome, but then architecture specific things would likely not be a problem
09:37 janPasi        tuxayo: yep
09:37 tuxayo         great :D
09:38 janPasi        there might be some version incompatibilities to deal with, however
09:38 tuxayo         question about koha-testing-docker for anyone: what should one do to use ES?
09:38 tuxayo         switch the syspref SearchEngine and run this ?
09:38 tuxayo         misc/search_tools/rebuild_elastic_search.pl -v -d
09:38 tuxayo         It seems to work but I don't want to be bitten later by a missing steps.
09:39 tuxayo         janPasi: you mean due to mistakes in matching the same version as in the Koha deb repo?
09:39 janPasi        tuxayo: yeah, that would require some additional attention, at least
09:40 janPasi        tuxayo: the latest version in cpan is not always the one you need for Koha, based on my past experiences
09:44 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D8 build #848: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/848/
09:48 Joubu          @later tell marcelr bug 8132 - is it still missing info? Can you detail why you disagree with the idea? As I said it has been considered critical for several years :)
09:48 huginn         Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:59 * cait2        reads UNSTABLE and hides
10:09 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_U18 build #767: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U18/767/
10:10 cait2          bug 8132
10:10 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8132 major, P4, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Batch delete tool deletes items with holds on them
10:12 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #296: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/296/
10:16 magnuse        bug 8132
10:16 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8132 major, P4, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Batch delete tool deletes items with holds on them
10:27 * ashimema[m]  would love to see bug 25245 make it through
10:27 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25245 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Add a plugin hook to allow running code on a nightly basis
10:27 ashimema[m]    with it in we can install the recalls plugin without any manual messing about
10:50 cait           not sure what cuased this
10:50 cait           but we have a javasript error preventing me to add items in acq
10:50 cait           TypeError: $.timepicker is undefined
10:50 cait           well... it breaks more, but that#s how i noticed
10:52 Joubu          cait: certainly bug 25133
10:52 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25133 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Specify Due date changes from PM to AM if library has their TimeFormat set to 12hr
10:52 cait           ouch
10:52 cait           that's on me the
10:52 cait           n
10:52 cait           but i did test it... I sear
10:52 cait           swear
10:52 Joubu          can you let a note please?
10:53 cait           i had to write up my own test plan
10:54 cait           Joubu: i wantd to retest the late orders, but can't create late orders... will have to wait until i can get back to this
10:54 cait           i left a note
11:02 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #271: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/271/
11:05 nlegrand       a gut yor
11:14 koha-jenkins   Project Koha_Master_D10 build #214: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/214/
11:28 Joubu          kidclamp: letting you the follow-up for 25133?
11:30 kidclamp       ok, can do
11:30 * cait2        hopes not more things she actually tested explode today *grump*
11:37 magnuse        cait2: it only proves you too are human :-)
11:38 cait2          I am not sure this human thing suits me
11:40 magnuse        hehe
11:44 Joubu          ashimema[m]: selenium tests are broken because of the bug cait reported on 25133
11:44 Joubu          ashimema[m]: 2 follow-ups on 24161
11:50 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: (follow-up) DBIC changes <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=164b8127e719628aa9013dd2b30fb6511fbc4bf9>
11:50 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 24161: (follow-up) Fix typo in POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=910acdbcfab3c11a583dd5cb92802fe57355f1ff>
11:58 oleonard       Hi #koha
11:58 tuxayo         o/ oleonard
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12:09 Joubu          Thanks Nick!
12:10 Joubu          Thanks kidclamp :)
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12:44 Joubu          ashimema[m]: can you push Nick's follow-up on bug 25133 please?
12:44 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25133 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Specify Due date changes from PM to AM if library has their TimeFormat set to 12hr
12:46 ashimema[m]    done
12:46 ew             hi everyone
12:46 huginn         News from kohagit: Bug 25133: (follow-up) Move changes to timepicker.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6985d167e11eaafee985b51cb0188a693405af5>
12:47 tuxayo         khall++
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12:48 ew             I installed koha on our server and tried to configure it. I want to catalogue our library with about 1000 books in a simple manner. I am not used to library software and I think that koha is too mighty for our purpose. Do you have any good recommendations for me?
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13:10 oleonard       ew: Did you have a problem setting up Koha? I'm curious why you think it's not right for you.
13:20 ew             @oleanord: Well yes, I get various problems in the MARC testing in all preconfigured frameworks. And when trying to import from z39.50 servers and also when manually creating an entry I am overwhelmed by the professional terms the software uses... there is a steep learning curve involved for me personally
13:20 huginn         ew: downloading the Perl source
13:21 ew             I simply think that it is too powerful for my scenario... so I figured it would be clever to ask the experts for any alternatives that are easy to use
13:41 oleonard       ew: Unfortunately I spend all my time with Koha so I'm not aware of what the alternatives are
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13:42 ew             why is a piece designation (barcoe) mandatory for example? we don't use that
13:43 oleonard       ew: Because it is expected that items will be circulated
13:44 kidclamp       tuxayo++
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14:19 oleonard       Bug 25365
14:19 huginn         Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25365 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , JavaScript error on neworderempty.pl: $.timepicker is undefined
14:20 oleonard       Looks like the error isn't just on that page, but other pages with datepickers too
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14:25 tuxayo         Good, the job offer for the next RM is published now. I'm confident we will find someone quickly.
14:25 tuxayo         https://picat.drycat.fr/4UeyyXPN.png
14:26 tuxayo         wait
14:27 liliputech_asu *magical* internet point \(*o*)/
14:27 tuxayo         It's release manager, not release maintainer.
14:27 tuxayo         Nooooooooooooo
14:28 tuxayo         Well it's still a relevant offer. Despite the typo.
14:29 liliputech_asu wether its for release Maintainer or Manager, still RM tuxayo =)
14:29 tuxayo         liliputech_asu: Maintainer => RMaint
14:29 liliputech_asu oh.
14:30 tuxayo         Indeed that's confusing.
14:34 Null404        hello there
14:34 wahanui        Greetings, programs!
14:35 Null404        I have a problem, I used this script: https://bywatersolutions.com/education/set-items-to-quarantine-status-upon-return and koha block returned books and reserved books too
14:35 Null404        how to not block reservations ?
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14:36 caroline       normally, if your not_loan value is negative, you should be able to reserve items
14:37 Null404        if I want to accept reservation, reserved book has "quarantine " status
14:39 caroline       just make sure your quarantine status is negative (like -5 like in the example)
14:40 Null404        yes
14:40 Null404        quarantine have -5 status
14:40 caroline       what do you mean Koha blocks returned books and reserved books?
14:42 Null404        someone returned book and it blocked - thats ok
14:42 caroline       when you say it blocked, you mean it put the quarantine status
14:42 Null404        I want to borrow reserved book from shelf and this is blocked too
14:42 Null404        yes
14:44 caroline       so a book that did not have the quarantine status was reserved on the shelf, but when you check it in to confirm the reservation, it puts the quarantine status?
14:45 Null404        I cannot confirm hold
14:45 Null404        @caroline yes
14:45 huginn         Null404: downloading the Perl source
14:46 did            Hi, why both indexes on biblio PRIMARY KEY (`biblionumber`), KEY `blbnoidx` (`biblionumber`) ) ? Leftover from another time?
14:47 caroline       Marie-Luce: did you test this? if an item has regular available status (0) and is reserved on shelf, when you check it in, it puts the quarantine status you cannot confirm the hold? can you  check?
14:48 Marie-Luce     after a checkin of a reserved item, you'll get the quarantine status
14:48 Null404        without confirm hold I can borrow book
14:48 caroline       does it still pop-up the hold confirmation?
14:49 Null404        yes I have pop up, I can confirm
14:49 Null404        I can't borrow that book
14:49 Marie-Luce     from what I've seen, you will be asked to confirm the hold, but you have to ignore the message
14:50 caroline       Null404: so you have the pop up and you can confirm the hold, but afterwards, you cant check it out because the not_loan status is on quarantine
14:50 Null404        if I ignore pop up also adds quarantine status
14:51 Null404        thats right caroline
14:51 caroline       it logically makes sense
14:51 Null404        so how to fix that ?
14:51 caroline       I'm trying to think of a way to work around it
14:51 Marie-Luce     after the quarantine, you can use the automatic status change [-5: 0], this will activate the hold
14:52 Null404        I know Marie luce
14:52 Null404        but I cannot ublock books every 5 minutes
14:52 Null404        *unblock
14:53 caroline       Marie-Luce: this is for a book that was not out, it was in the library so it doesn't need to be in quarantine, but the checkin to confirm the hold puts it in quarantine anyway because it's a checkin
14:53 Null404        maybe there is a way to ignore retun status from [null] user ?
14:54 Null404        thats right caroline
14:55 Joubu          did: yes, it should be removed
14:55 did            joubu: thanks
14:56 caroline       Null404: right now there is no way to make exceptions for  UpdateNotForLoanStatusOnCheckin
14:56 Null404        so any ideas ?
14:57 caroline       can you use something else than a status? like a location? a location will not block the loan, but your staff will know that it is quarantined
14:58 Null404        you mean change location of book ?
14:58 caroline       using  UpdateItemLocationOnCheckin
14:58 Null404        this will be problem
14:58 caroline       ok nevermind them
14:59 Null404        on one system there is 4 libraries
14:59 Null404        *are
15:00 Marie-Luce     just to clarify, are you using  UpdateNotForLoanStatusOnCheckin and the tool automatic item modification by age?
15:01 caroline       Null404: can you use  AllowNotForLoanOverride ?
15:02 caroline       This will allow staff to loan out books even if they have the quarantined status
15:02 caroline       exceptionally
15:06 Null404        caroline:  click allow on "staff to override and check out items that are marked as not for loan. ?
15:06 Null404        that makes sense
15:07 caroline       yes
15:07 caroline       Marie-Luce thought of another option
15:07 caroline       she's typing right now :)
15:08 Marie-Luce     just an idea: it may need a double checkin. For example: if you set UpdateNotForLoanStatusOnCheckin [0: -5], you can add a second rules [-5: 0]
15:09 Marie-Luce     at the first checkin, the book will get the quarantine status (you can ignore the hold confirmation), at the second checkin the book will return as available
15:09 Marie-Luce     and this time you can confirm the reservation
15:12 Null404        sound great
15:12 caroline       Marie-Luce++
15:20 Marie-Luce     :)
15:28 Null404        thanks caroline for help ! :)
15:33 Null404        you idea Marie-Luce is awesome, it works now perfectly
15:33 Null404        *your
15:33 reiveune       bye
15:35 Marie-Luce     I'm glad it worked out
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15:52 tuxayo         Does anyone know where KohaDevBox or koha-testing-docker puts the SIP logs?
16:53 kidclamp       syslog?
17:17 tuxayo         kidclamp: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages doesn't exist
17:38 kidclamp       Is there a var log Koha sip log?
18:25 tuxayo         kidclamp++
18:26 tuxayo         yes, in /var/log/koha/kohadev/
18:26 tuxayo         :D
18:28 oleonard       kidclamp is soaking in karma today
18:30 kidclamp       Be wary oleonard, it might just be a guilty conscience about bugs I created
18:31 oleonard       We call that "git blame syndrome"
18:34 tuxayo         It always starts with karma.
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21:36 koha-jenkins   Yippee, build fixed!
21:36 wahanui        Congratulations!
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22:08 aleisha        hey is anyone able to help me with a schema files issue i'm having?
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