Time Nick Message 01:39 blou hi #koha 01:40 blou any issue with git.koha-community.org ? 01:43 eythian Fetching kc 01:43 eythian fatal: read error: Verbinding is weggevallen 01:43 eythian error: Could not fetch kc 01:44 eythian yep, it ain't working 01:45 blou :) 01:45 dcook Can't access via the browser either 01:46 blou alright, it's not just me. 01:46 blou thanks 02:34 eythian anyone have access to delete things from bugzilla. It's getting a bit of spam: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10951#c43 02:34 huginn 04Bug 10951: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Passed QA , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences 03:38 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 04:02 mtompset blou2? 04:06 * mtompset cheers, "YAY! The needs sign off seems to have dropped a couple since I last looked." 04:08 mtompset oh wow... must have hit a slow point. 04:19 mtompset Is the git server slow for a reason? 04:19 eythian it was broken earlier 04:19 eythian it may still be 04:36 mtompset oh the pain... 89% compressing objects. 04:36 mtompset good thing there are only 273 objects total to deal with. 04:54 mtompset Well... that was a bad move... oh well... I guess it's still broken. 05:37 mtompset okay... there snuck it in... hopefully it's fixed for good. 06:35 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 06:45 * cait waves good morning 06:45 * dcook waves good afternoon 07:07 cait hm lots of dicsonnects this morning 07:36 reiveune hello 07:36 wahanui hello, reiveune 08:01 gaetan_B hello 08:01 wahanui hola, gaetan_B 08:05 p\vdk hi 08:20 cait good morning #koha 08:20 sophie_m hello cait and #koha 08:28 cait h sophie_m :) 08:35 marcelr hi #koha 08:36 marcelr cait: i do not completely understand your last comment on bug 11619 08:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11619 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Duplicate key in QueryParser config 08:38 cait marcelr: Jonathan said it shouldn't work when the queryparser is turned off - but i tested with the queryparser turned on 08:38 marcelr cait: you tested both cases and one did work? 08:39 cait marcelr: i tested only queryparser - i didn't expect the other to work 08:39 marcelr o wait 08:39 marcelr have not read that well i guess 08:39 marcelr i will retest it myself again 08:39 cait thank you 08:39 cait as I see you 08:40 cait could I ask you to take a look at one of the patches maybe? 08:40 cait bug 11078 08:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11078 enhancement, P4, ---, dpk, Signed Off , rebuild_zebra.pl can lose updates due to race condition during full rebuilds 08:40 marcelr i will have a look somewhat later.. 08:40 cait that's ok, i just don't feel like i can get this tested myself well 08:40 cait < not a sysadmin 08:41 marcelr cait: still have to answers too on bug 11617 :) 08:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11617 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Add itemnumber constraint to aqorders_items 08:41 marcelr s/s$// 08:42 cait marcelr: i didn't want to cause trouble, just trying to be careful before we throw out stuff :) 08:42 marcelr that is good, but Koha already throws out some stuff in that area 08:42 marcelr like biblionumber in aqorders.. 08:43 cait marcelr: possibly, but with a db constraint it will be a total thing 08:43 cait yeah, we should keep that 08:43 cait i never understood why it does delete it 08:43 cait i think i even argued about that somewhere 08:43 marcelr i have dozens of Deleted bibliographic notice, can't find title in my test database 08:44 cait hm? 08:44 marcelr deleted biblios 08:46 cait they can't be searched 08:46 cait but the information is there for reporting... and if we are careful we could implement back the undo functionaltiy one day 08:46 cait rangi said it used to be possible, but got killed when other features were added 08:50 marcelr cait: i would like to see the title for a deleted biblio in aqorders 08:51 marcelr and in a larger perspective: maybe we should not have deletedbiblio and deleteditems but have a status in biblio and items 08:51 cait marcelr: i think this was for performance mostly 08:52 cait marcelr: not having the old things in those tables... and also it would require a lot of code changes 08:52 cait not sure that is worth it 08:52 marcelr i understand but it is a compromise 08:52 cait marcelr: and agreed on the title, - i never undestood why it was not implemented that way 08:56 cait marcelr: i think probably a misunderstanding 08:56 marcelr ? 08:56 cait why cancelled holds show no title 08:56 cait i mean we have the title in aqorders... and in deletedbiblio 08:57 cait there is really no reason not to show a title for cancelled ordres 08:58 marcelr yeah we could look it up, but do you really want code poking in the deleted-tables? 09:00 marcelr cait: about bug 11619: in only changed the commit message (not Jonathan) 09:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11619 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Duplicate key in QueryParser config 09:04 cait ah sorry, quite busy here 09:04 cait misread 09:07 * Oak waves 11:52 paxed i see a list of map projections in the marc21 006 and 008 builders XML files, but the position for those is just a normal input box 11:52 paxed is there supposed to be a selection list for the projections? 11:59 cait @later tell dcook found a Koha mention about an IFLA presentation from e. balnaves in a German library journal :) 11:59 huginn cait: The operation succeeded. 12:00 cait paxed: if there are mulitple positions there is no better help yet 12:01 paxed has that been reported as a bug yes, do you remember off the top of your head? 12:01 paxed yet* 12:06 SitHa hi there 12:06 wahanui hola, SitHa 12:06 |Lupin| wrong nick... 12:07 |Lupin| good day wahanui 12:07 |Lupin| I was wondering, how is the chan logged and how are the logs made available on the web? 12:09 cait1 hi |Lupin| :) 12:10 cait1 how are you doing? 12:13 |Lupin| hey cait1 :) 12:13 |Lupin| doing well, thanks. 12:13 |Lupin| how about you? 12:13 cait1 busy, but well 12:14 cait1 are you on vacation? 12:15 |Lupin| cait1: busy too :) 12:15 |Lupin| cait1: no, at work but wanting to set up an IRC chan lpgger making the conversations availableon the web. So I thought #koha hasit and was wondering howit has been setup 12:16 cait1 logs? 12:16 wahanui rumour has it logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ 12:17 |Lupin| wahanui: but which bot is used? Do you know? 12:17 wahanui bugger all, i dunno, |lupin| 12:17 |Lupin| wahanui: ok, np 12:17 wahanui |Lupin|: what? 12:18 cait1 hm trying to read the source - ilbot? 12:18 cait1 wahanui is a bot :) 12:18 cait1 <title>ilbot - Irc log bot in Perl</title> 12:18 |Lupin| cait1: aaaaha! thanks! 12:18 cait1 http://moritz.faui2k3.org/en/ilbot 12:18 |Lupin| cait1: and it is also that software thatmakes them available on the web? 12:18 wahanui okay, |Lupin|. 12:44 francharb good morning 13:23 gaetan_B hello 13:27 gaetan_B on a marc21 setup, the link to authorities or biblio identifiers is always in the $0 subfield ? 14:05 druthb o/ 14:14 tcohen gmcharlt: around? 14:18 banana It's Morning, #koha ! 14:20 banana The early bird gets the worm! 14:20 banana I offer free to good home this morning... 14:21 banana two HP 49 inkjet cartridges, one hp #20 cartridge, and one HP #21 and #22 combo pack. Free pickup or pay actual shipping only 14:25 banana da**** sorry, wrong chat window 14:25 banana apologies 14:26 banana is there a "takeback" feature in chat? 14:32 banana Morning Oak 14:34 Oak hello rhcl 14:34 Oak :) 14:37 oleonard Hi #koha 14:37 oleonard @wunder 45701 14:37 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is -3.4°C (9:37 AM EST on February 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 10 am EST this morning... 14:37 druthb @wunder 77098 14:37 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 4.4°C (8:37 AM CST on February 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling). 14:39 rhcl @wunder 64507 14:39 huginn rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -12.9°C (8:39 AM CST on February 03, 2014). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.34 in 1027 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect from 6 am Tuesday to 9 am CST Wednesday... 14:43 oleonard gmcharlt around? 14:48 oleonard @later tell gmcharlt No, css/opac-old.css and css/sco-old.css should never have been committed and I should be publicly shamed for it 14:48 huginn oleonard: The operation succeeded. 15:05 ebegin We are having spam on bugzilla !?! see bug 10951, comment #43 15:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10951 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Passed QA , Make the NoLoginInstructions a customizable field through preferences 15:07 cait ebegin: it looks like it 15:07 cait maybe rangi can delete it when he is back from his conf 15:10 rhcl something inserted that link into the comment? 15:12 ebegin yes, spam is all over the web 15:12 cait i think maybe even human spam 15:13 cait must create an account first 15:15 paul_p magnus_away = cheese lunch planned for wednesday ;-) 15:16 cait what other things? 15:16 wahanui other things are not available at all 15:16 cait i mean't what's for the other days? 15:17 rhcl I like cheese and ham. What time and where? 15:17 paul_p cait = monday lebanon, tuesday italian, thursd pizza & friday french buffet 15:17 paul_p rhcl = march 12th, hackfest, Marseille, France 15:18 oleonard I really thought I could make it happen this year, but no :( 15:18 cait yum lebanese! 15:21 cait paul_p: sounds excellent, only friday might be difficult with lots of people .) 15:22 paul_p cait friday difficult ? Why ? 15:22 cait ah, french cheese buffet :) 15:22 cait i was thinking of the restaurant at the beach 15:23 paul_p cait = it was a chinese one ;-) 15:23 paul_p cait and I discarded it because, you're right, we're too many and won't have enough cars 15:23 cait it was yummy, but the logistical part is too hard, i can understand that 15:24 cait :) 15:24 paul_p cait the french cheese will be on wed, the friday one will be french various food (from "la table de cana", like last year) 15:24 cait I am looking forward to it :) 15:30 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:31 druthb hi, mtompset. :) 15:31 mtompset Greetingd, druthb. 15:46 oleonard So SIP authentication works only with card number and not username? 15:52 oleonard No SIP authentication with username means patron self-registration is problematic 15:53 mtompset FOOOOOD! Me need food now. :) 15:56 rhcl I think the French diet would quite agree with me. 15:56 rhcl pizza....lebanese... 15:56 rhcl italian... 16:01 * cait sends oleonard cookies, lots of cookies 16:02 cait oleonard: hm why? 16:02 oleonard why problematic? 16:02 cait oleonard: the problem with sip authentication is that it does not use the central module... but instead compares passwords with the database and ew. 16:02 cait yeah 16:03 oleonard We would like to offer online registration for "digital only" patrons who don't come into the library. If online registration only creates a username for them they can't instantly log into SIP-authenticated online services. 16:03 cait oh hm 16:03 cait it can#t create a password? 16:04 cait ah 16:04 oleonard It creates username and password, but SIP wants a card number. 16:04 cait sorry misreaad... bad day 16:04 cait you shoudl get sip auth fixed ;) 16:04 cait bug 9936 16:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9936 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SIP2 should use C4/Auth.pm for user authentication 16:04 cait i have already filed the bug... we only need a patch 16:05 cait and an additional plus would be that authentication with ldap would work on the self check... (because you have no passwords in the db then) 16:07 mtompset Who do I request a modification to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developer_handbook? 16:07 mtompset There is some secretive {{DevBook}} macro-y thing that I can't add the QA Test Tools page into. 16:07 oleonard Why do you need to make a request? 16:07 oleonard Oh 16:08 cait mtompset: have you checked pages that have the box? 16:08 cait mtompset: magnuse could do it but he is on vacatin 16:08 cait vacation even 16:08 mtompset What do you mean? 16:09 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "secretive macro-y thing" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/105 16:09 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Developer_handbook 16:09 oleonard Looking at Bug 11664 makes me wonder if I'm not finding the option to *view* a patron list as opposed to add or edit 16:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11664 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , No way to select all/unselect all on patron list 16:46 gaetan_B bye ! 16:47 cait oleonard: i think i had edit 16:48 cait oleonard: but i think the interface s a bit confusing :( 16:48 cait oleonard: or add? I was testing your bugfix and added patrons and then noticed i couldn't remove them 16:48 cait well all of them 16:49 oleonard Yes I think that page can be made clearer by making it conform better to existing patterns. 16:50 oleonard I'm thinking of separating the add and delete actions for instance. Right now clicking "update" will both add and delete patrons. I think having a separate "update" button at the top implies that it will not delete. 16:51 cait oleonard: I was thinking about that too yesterday - soudns good! 16:54 * Dyrcona pulls up in a black-flagged ship. 16:55 Dyrcona Oh wait. Never mind. There's a more appropriate channel to commandeer. 16:57 mtompset I just realized that koha spelt backwards is ah ok. :) 16:59 cait Dyrcona: you just made me realize it's really time to go home :) 17:00 Dyrcona Yarr! 17:09 rhcl mtompset: that's actually quite an insight 17:11 oleonard Koha is the opposite of disappointed resignation. 17:13 gmcharlt @quote add Koha is the opposite of disappointed resignation. 17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #294 added. 17:13 gmcharlt @quote remove 294 17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 17:13 gmcharlt @quote add <mtompset> I just realized that koha spelt backwards is ah ok. :) 17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #295 added. 17:13 gmcharlt @quote add <oleonard> Koha is the opposite of disappointed resignation. 17:13 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #296 added. 17:20 oleonard Got a question about diacritics: I have a patron category which has characters with diacritics. On some pages the diacritics are shown correctly, on others they show up as ? 17:21 oleonard What's different about the two pages? 17:30 reiveune bye 17:32 mtompset What pages are you talking about oleonard? 17:32 oleonard For instance: Looks fine on patron search results page (members/member.pl) Doesn't look fine on patron list page (patron_lists/list.pl) 17:34 mtompset And you mean the patron category name, right? 17:34 oleonard Yes 17:39 mtompset where is the patron list page? 17:39 mtompset Nevermind... tools. 17:40 mtompset EEEEW! 17:44 mtompset perhaps the schema is not utf-8 friendly? 17:48 mtompset hMMM... double encoding? 17:52 tcohen mtompset: context? 17:52 wahanui context is everything? 17:53 mtompset I was looking at what oleonard was mentioning. 17:53 mtompset Those lovely question mark diamonds appear in the patron_lists/list.pl 17:53 mtompset the data is correct in the DB. 17:54 mtompset it displays properly elsewhere. 17:54 tcohen on master? 17:54 mtompset But this patron list uses the new schema stuff. 17:54 mtompset yes. 17:57 tcohen if you're logged as kohaadmin it breaks 17:59 oleonard tcohen: ? 17:59 tcohen i was logged as kohaadmin and trying to create a new patron list broke Koha 18:00 oleonard "This is a bad idea, and you are likely to encounter problems." :P 18:00 tcohen agreed, but Koha should never break 18:01 tcohen http://snag.gy/av349.jpg 18:02 tcohen how do I break encoding? 18:02 oleonard Change the description of your patron category 18:02 wahanui oleonard: that doesn't look right 18:02 oleonard Sorry wahanui 18:05 tcohen i'm sorry, i cannot reproduce 18:06 tcohen http://snag.gy/hTv5G.jpg 18:07 mtompset Patroñ with OPAC Füße 18:07 mtompset Really? 18:10 mtompset http://snag.gy/AQKXr.jpg 18:11 mtompset I can reproduce it. 18:11 oleonard That's what I see too mtompset 18:12 mtompset tcohen... could you paste your patron description here? 18:13 tcohen Staff ØموØموØموññññ 18:13 oleonard Although I also have problems with the display of the patron name if it has special characters and obviously tcohen doesn't 18:15 mtompset http://snag.gy/KzFrQ.jpg 18:16 cait oleonard++ 18:16 mtompset So, what difference is there between tcohen's setup and ours? :) 18:17 cait ? 18:19 mtompset tcohen: What is the output of "show variables like '%coll%';" on your mysql server? 18:20 mtompset and %char% too. :) 18:21 tcohen utf8_general_ci and utf8 respectively 18:22 mtompset nothing says latin1 or something like it? 18:22 tcohen nope 18:22 mtompset oleonard: What about you? 18:22 tcohen its a fresh install loading the default schema and sample data 18:26 * mtompset laughs. 18:27 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_tarball#Tweaking_my.cnf 18:27 mtompset I put those tweaks into mysql server and now... it displays the data correctly, but the name has gone bad. 18:28 mtompset http://snag.gy/Vluwj.jpg 18:28 mtompset Let's change the name... 18:29 mtompset and fixes. 18:30 mtompset Hope that helps, oleonard. 18:35 mtompset This does make me wonder: should we need to tweak the mysql configuration file like that? What about packages? 18:55 oleonard Thanks mtompset that does fix it for me. 18:55 oleonard mtompset++ 18:55 oleonard ...although I still wonder why it looked okay on one page and not the other. 18:56 mtompset I suspect the handshaking of schema vs. handshaking of dbi is different. 18:56 mtompset and basically you told the sql server to always hand back utf8, regardless of what the client says. 19:12 JWellner Hi Rocio 19:33 cait oleonard++ again... he must be a mind reader :) 19:34 oleonard ? 19:34 cait removing the sort on the columns 19:34 cait readming my bug mail right now :) 19:35 oleonard Oh shoot I submitted the patch for Bug 11671 without checking how it conflicted with Bug 11636 19:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability 19:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11636 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Impossible to remove patrons from patron list during add process 19:36 oleonard badly. 19:37 * oleonard will resubmit and make it dependent 20:25 rhcl is rangi back at work yet? 20:28 cait rhcl: he is at vala - conference in australia 20:39 rhcl oh 20:48 wizzyrea he may be around some, but probably very busy 20:59 rhcl not important at all 21:17 oleonard Bye #koha 21:23 eythian hi 21:23 wahanui hey, eythian 21:28 cait hi eythian :) 21:28 eythian howdy cait 21:33 wizzyrea @later tell tcohen at your leisure, lmk what you need for the site 21:33 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 22:18 bag hello 22:21 wizzyrea sup bag 22:22 bag heya :) glad someone didn't leave me hanging - high five wizzyrea 22:24 wizzyrea o/* HIGHFIVE *\o 22:49 ibeardslee http://channelnine.9msn.com.au/img/hi5/navlink2.jpg 22:57 rhcl I deleted about 200 Hi5 messages yesterday from an old, little-used yahoo account