Time Nick Message 00:13 * wizzyrea will have a look 00:39 * eythian notes that all the serials/subscription related tables reference a biblionumber, but don't have a constraint on it. 00:40 eythian that's probably not ideal 00:43 wizzyrea yikes. 00:53 oleonard Hi again #koha 00:54 oleonard I'm curious whether anyone here has any VPS hosting recommendations (or dis-recommendations) 00:54 rangi i use linode for one 00:54 eythian Most people I know who know about that sort of thing use linode 00:55 rangi and http://www.hetzner.de/en/ 00:55 rangi for my other one 00:56 jcamins oleonard: I'd probably recommend linode. 00:58 oleonard As someone who has no experience managing servers I've always been reluctant to step up to VPS hosting. Am I going to get myself into trouble? 00:58 mtompset Greetings, oleonard. Thanks for the feed back, I'll probably just extend the scope of the bug I'm working on to include fixing that behaviour then. :) 00:58 jcamins oleonard: nah. 00:58 wizzyrea hmm. well there's lots to learn, but nah. 00:59 mtompset VPS? 00:59 jcamins If you mess something up, you can just reimage. 00:59 wizzyrea ^ 00:59 eythian oleonard: they're fairly screw-up-proof if you're at all careful 00:59 wizzyrea ^ 01:00 mtompset We've begun a migration to Digital Ocean (www.digitalocean.com). I'm pleased with it thus far. 01:00 mtompset VPS is Virtual Private Server. 01:00 jcamins And you'd have to *really* screw things up to reach the point of needing to reimage. 01:01 jcamins Wasn't DigitalOcean just acquired by GoDaddy? 01:02 mtompset I don't know. 01:02 oleonard Wasn't it MediaTemple? 01:02 jcamins oleonard: oh, maybe. 01:02 wizzyrea cait - still up? 01:03 wizzyrea heaven forbid. 01:03 jcamins Yeah, Media Temple was acquired. 01:03 cait nope 01:03 mtompset http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftechcrunch.com%2F2013%2F10%2F15%2Fgodaddy-buys-media-temple-to-build-up-its-business-with-web-professionals%2F&ei=Rjh8UraRMMSyyAG5kYHIAg&usg=AFQjCNHl-9ozWZLXiLWsKXHvQl4IWFPHEA&bvm=bv.56146854,d.aWc 01:03 wizzyrea >.> 01:03 mtompset Oops... sorry, should have clicked, and then cut and paste. 01:08 mtompset http://sploid.gizmodo.com/super-typhon-haiyan-just-broke-all-scientific-intensity-1460295415 01:08 mtompset Friends and colleagues most definitely will be affected by this. :( 01:09 oleonard Yikes 01:10 mtompset For the religious, please pray, and the non-religious, keep the Philippines in your thoughts. 01:13 wizzyrea i read about that earlier - it's a monster. 01:13 wizzyrea will definitely be thinking of those in the philippines. 01:15 mtompset :( Signal 4 in Masbate and Romblon. 01:15 mtompset Friends and projects are in those areas. 01:17 mtompset http://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/wb/track.gif -- Looks like it will be massive destruction in a single day and a half. 02:25 bag nice sauteed mushroom and onion on some blue cheese - in a nice roll (yummy dinner) 02:44 bag having met gmcharlt a few times now - I can totally see where his eyebrows would raise and he'd be smiling whenever I read an email from him now :) really makes it awesome and I crack a big ole smile when reading those emails now :) 02:44 bag gmcharlt++ 03:18 mtompset what is not equals in TT? != <>? 03:44 * wizzyrea gets ready for a foggy trip to the coast for a burger. 03:44 wizzyrea see you all next week. :) 04:08 Oak Ahoy me hearties 04:08 Oak magnuse 04:08 Oak @wunder islamabad 04:26 Oak http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ 04:43 mtompset Greetings, Oak. 04:43 Oak hello mtompset :) 04:44 mtompset Hmmm... it would seem I have gone from adding a feature to Koha into refactoring all the news code into fixing the news code. 04:45 mtompset Whatever shall I do with bug 7567? Call it a mega fix, refactor, and enhancement? 05:25 mtompset Eeewwww... single line is short, but that is ugly to parse, papa. 05:26 mtompset bug 11183 05:26 papa hi there, what single line? 05:26 mtompset that grep portion on the join line. 05:27 papa what would you prefer? I'll do anything for a sign-off... 05:28 mtompset split the grep to a different line? 05:29 papa sure... 05:29 mtompset I haven't tested it yet... but I'm wondering... 05:30 mtompset let's say $blah->{ccode} doesn't exist. 05:30 mtompset won't your code trigger an error? 05:30 papa nope, autoviv 05:31 papa will return undef 05:35 mtompset okay... confirmed that with some testing code... interesting.. okay. 05:35 mtompset Let's try this patch out. :) 05:40 mtompset have an item with a collection code? 05:40 mtompset where is a collection code set, papa? 05:41 papa no idea, I had it on the database :( 05:42 papa should be on the item details 05:42 mtompset something like BK? 05:43 mtompset found it. 05:43 papa ok, where? 05:44 papa ah, edit items 05:44 mtompset Yep. 05:45 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Was this your error, papa?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/256 05:46 mtompset One of them. 05:46 wahanui hmmm... one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) 05:46 papa that one should be fixed as well 05:48 mtompset hmmm... I triggered one you didn't fix. 05:48 mtompset Let's see if I can figure out how I did that. 05:49 papa magic... 05:49 wahanui http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html 05:52 mtompset actually 626 triggered even on a simple search. 05:53 mtompset I'm trying to figure out how to trigger 576. 05:54 mtompset AH! going to an item without a collection code. 05:55 mtompset So, actually, regular search triggers 626. 05:55 mtompset and then opac detail on an item without a collection code triggers 576. 05:56 papa something like that 05:56 mtompset okay... let's see if that patch remedies it. :) 05:56 mtompset which eyeballing says it should. 05:59 mtompset Hmmm... gmcharlt you here? 06:00 mtompset @later tell gmcharlt opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $code_wanted in string eq at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Field.pm line 314. -- I was just searching for happy :) 06:01 mtompset well, papa the two warnings seem gone, but there's a lot more to find and correct. :) 06:02 papa I know :) now that we silence those, others will top the list 06:03 mtompset Actually, the preference you reference is irrelevant, I believe. 06:04 mtompset or not... 06:05 mtompset 626 must be related to the koha search history. 06:05 mtompset I still triggered 576 without it. :) 06:16 mtompset signed off, papa. :) 06:16 papa much obliged 06:17 mtompset No, thank you for helping reduce log flooding. :) 06:17 mtompset It helps find the real bugs. 06:32 mtompset Greetings, drojf. 06:39 * cait waves 06:41 mtompset Greetings, cait. 06:44 cait wizzyrea++ 07:07 * magnuse waves 07:07 * magnuse needs to catch up on reading list mails and new bug reports 07:08 papa hey mtompset, what was the bug number for that map you want me to revisit? 07:09 mtompset map? 07:09 wahanui map is probably new in koha 07:09 mtompset probably bug 11077 07:10 mtompset I signed off the complex grep patch, if that is what you are asking about. 07:10 mtompset It's ugly to read, but it works. 07:10 papa sorry, grep 07:10 mtompset that was bug 11183, no mods needed. 07:10 mtompset Now we wait for QA to say, "Ooo... less flooding logs, simple enough to check and pass" ;) 07:12 papa mtompset: so who is going to merge all of those patches on 11077? 07:12 mtompset can't really merge in tcohen's. 07:12 mtompset It's already signed off. 07:13 mtompset but mine is a follow up on yours and his, so if you want to merge mine with your and simplify it into one, that would be okay. 07:13 papa ok, let me try 07:13 mtompset after all... I'm not about credit. I'm about less floody logs. :) 07:14 mtompset git rebase -i 07:14 papa sure 07:14 mtompset Anyways... I'm super late past my sleep time. 07:15 papa sure, good night 07:15 mtompset But filters fixed, code seems to be working... just need to find test file, if any... 07:15 mtompset and if not write some tests. 07:15 mtompset But I'll do that... later today after sleep. :) 07:16 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. :) 07:16 * mtompset waves bye to magnuse cait papa Oak and others. :) 07:47 reiveune hello 07:47 wahanui kai ora, reiveune 08:13 ashimema mornin' all.. (those in the southern hemisphere at least) 08:13 ashimema good afternoon, good night to the rest of you ;) 08:13 magnuse hiya ashimema 08:14 magnuse it's morning near the top of the northern hemisphere too :-) 08:15 ashimema fair point ;) 08:15 magnuse it's even light outside :-) 08:19 gaetan_B hello 08:23 magnuse bonjour gaetan_B 08:34 * kf waves 08:36 kivilahtio Joubu: regarding bug 9016. I would like to hear what developments you are undertaking regarding these enhancements? 09:02 kf morning ashimema 09:02 ashimema Good morning KF 09:46 kf looks like a quiet friday 09:58 Joubu kivilahtio: I don't understand your question :) The goal of this patch is to prepare the prepare the ground for others bug (linked to 9016). 09:58 Joubu s/prepare the// 10:18 kivilahtio Joubu: I got it. I forgot to check the dependenices for that bug and it all makes sense now :) 10:19 kivilahtio Joubu: Wow the messaging layer is pretty tricky and it is rather difficult to test youor code 10:19 kivilahtio Joubu: Not saying there is anything wrong with your code, but it is complex and trying to get the big picture is challenging 10:19 kivilahtio which is nice :) 10:20 kivilahtio anyway have a great weekend, I gotta scram! 10:21 kivilahtio Joubu: my question was about actually implementing the functionality for print or feed or phone message types 10:22 kivilahtio we need to have real prints as well, so kinda curious how Koha deals with prints 10:22 kf kivilahtio: at kohacon there was a presentation about a library doing phone notification 10:22 kf it's already possible 10:22 kivilahtio kf: But there is no system preference to set where the print csv's are stored? 10:22 kf there are cronjobs i think generating them 10:23 kf maybe check out the slides- i didn't attend all of that session 10:23 kivilahtio kf: is there any documentation about the phone, feed and print? 10:23 kf but they did work to make it work with itiva 10:23 kivilahtio we have Ifo we need to integrate to :) 10:23 kivilahtio *Info* 10:23 kf feed doesn't work, print only for holds and overdues, using jobs - could be a lot nicer 10:24 kivilahtio I just learnt that one should not run overdue_notices.pl more than once a day :) 10:25 kf that's true 10:26 kivilahtio kf: I think I am understanding how to deal with print 10:26 kivilahtio there are numerous cronjobs for different notification types? 10:26 kivilahtio and each needs to be configured separately 10:28 kivilahtio kf: Is cronjobs/printoverdues.pl still in use? It is not documented? 10:30 kivilahtio I guess so, as it looks pretty handy 10:30 kivilahtio thanks kf for your advice! Have a good weekend 10:31 kf it is yes 10:32 kf afaik 10:32 kf i would like somthing better integrated into koha, with an option to download pdf files from staff 10:40 ashimema kf: whilst at kohacon you explained your marc uploads proceure.. remind me what script you use instead of bulkmarcimport? 10:40 kf we are using the staged import from command line sec 10:41 ashimema /tools/stages_marc_import.pl? 10:41 kf stage_file.pl and commit_file.pl in misc 10:41 ashimema ah yes.. I see them now. 10:42 ashimema ack.. neither have a perldoc. 10:42 kf the names are kind of logical but make them easy to miss 10:42 kf -h should give you some info about the options 10:42 kf they work quite similar to what the gui can do 10:42 ashimema and remind me.. why do you use those instead of bulkmarkimpork with matching? 10:43 kf hm partially historical maybe, but i also like the undo options and that i can see my imports from the interface 10:43 kf i can check anytime what has been imported when 10:43 ashimema aha.. so they add to the imports table.. 10:43 ashimema thats nice.. 10:43 kf i think also some different options for item generation, would have to compare 10:44 kf and bulk learned matching later i think 10:44 kf it's completely as if you use the stage/manage marc import tools 10:45 ashimema cheers kf.. that explains a few things.. 10:46 ashimema I still don't like that there's two ways to skin the cat.. but i kinda understand why now. 10:46 ashimema I take it they take in isomarc files.. not marcxml 10:47 kf i think so 10:47 kf i imagine it would not be too hard to add 10:47 kf we have been using the script since 3.0.something before 3.2 10:47 kf i think bulkmarcimport changed a lot since then 10:48 ashimema it certainly has changed allot 11:04 ashimema jcamins you around? 11:06 kf might still be a bit early, but with jcamins you never know 11:07 ashimema :) 11:46 gerundio hi everyone 11:47 gerundio long time no see :) 11:47 gerundio is there anyway to choose which options are available in the master head search combo box in OPAC? 11:48 magnuse gerundio: don't think so, apart from tweaking it with jquery 11:49 gerundio I'm ignoring that workaround on purpose 11:49 gerundio so the final answer for me in no :) 11:49 gerundio thanks magnuse++ 12:03 magnuse hiya khall and tcohen 12:03 khall mornin magnuse & #koha! 12:07 magnuse wassup?!? 12:08 tcohen jenkins_koha: run 3.12.x 12:08 jenkins_koha tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'run' 12:08 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help! 12:08 tcohen jenkins_koha: help 12:08 jenkins_koha Available commands: 12:08 jenkins_koha abort <job> - specify which job to abort 12:08 jenkins_koha alias [<alias> [<command>]] - defines a new alias, deletes one or lists all existing aliases 12:08 jenkins_koha botsnack [<snack>] - om nom nom 12:08 jenkins_koha build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period 12:08 jenkins_koha cb - list jobs which are currently in progress 12:08 jenkins_koha comment <job> <build-#> <comment> - adds a description to a build 12:08 jenkins_koha currentlyBuilding - list jobs which are currently in progress 12:08 jenkins_koha h [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 12:08 jenkins_koha health [<job>|-v <view>] - show the health of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 12:08 jenkins_koha jobs [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 12:08 jenkins_koha q - show the state of the build queue 12:08 jenkins_koha queue - show the state of the build queue 12:08 jenkins_koha s [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 12:08 jenkins_koha schedule <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]* - schedule a job build, with standard, custom or no quiet period 12:08 jenkins_koha status [<job>|-v <view>] - show the status of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 12:08 jenkins_koha testresult [<job>|-v <view>] - show the test results of a specific job, jobs in a view or all jobs 12:08 jenkins_koha userstat <username> - prints information about a Jenkins user 12:09 tcohen jenkins_koha: build Koha_3.12.x now 12:09 jenkins_koha tcohen: job Koha_3.12.x build scheduled now 12:09 tcohen OMG 12:09 jenkins_koha Starting build #110 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 0 days ago) 12:09 magnuse jenkins_koha botsnack lutefisk 12:10 tcohen jenkins_koha botsnack fernet 12:10 magnuse jenkins_koha: botsnack lutefisk 12:10 jenkins_koha magnuse: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love lutefisk! 12:10 magnuse lol 12:18 tcohen jenkins_koha: botsnack fernet 12:18 jenkins_koha tcohen: you're so kind to me! how did you know that fernet is my favorite food? 12:20 tcohen jenkins_koha: you are drunk 12:20 jenkins_koha tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'you' 12:20 jenkins_koha Use '!jenkins help' to get help! 12:27 * kf_lunch waves 12:27 kf_lunch jcamins: ? 12:28 magnuse jcamins? 12:28 wahanui it has been said that jcamins is the brilliant and irascible President of the United States. 12:28 magnuse hm, you learn something new every day 12:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #110: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/110/ 12:43 tcohen @later tell rangi there must be some error in Koha_3.12.x's script 13:08 tcohen magnuse? 13:08 wahanui rumour has it magnuse is a Norwegian giant 13:08 magnuse tcohen? 13:08 wahanui tcohen is probably 122 13:09 tcohen magnuse: would you take a look at 9114? 13:09 tcohen its a long standing bug I plan to have in 3.12.7 13:09 tcohen (fixed, to have fixed heh) 13:13 magnuse tcohen: wish i had the time... 13:21 oleonard Hi #koha 13:50 tcohen np magnuse 13:54 jcamins Yes? 13:56 magnuse ping kf_lunch - jcamins is in da house! 13:57 kf_lunch heh 13:57 * kf_lunch nick kf 13:57 kf_lunch forgot i was still having lunch 13:57 magnuse and you still are! 13:57 kf now it's better 13:57 kf hi jcamins 13:57 jcamins Hello. 13:58 magnuse guess germans are thorough when it comes to their vormittagspeize too 13:58 kf mittagessen? :) 13:59 magnuse huh, i thought mittag was dinner? 14:10 tcohen hi jcamins 14:10 jcamins o/ 14:12 tcohen does anyone experience having tons of cgisess_* files in /tmp even when sessions are set to be handled by memcached? 14:17 magnuse tcohen: yeah, i have seen that when memcached has died 14:17 magnuse it's happened a couple of times 14:17 tcohen # service memcached status 14:17 tcohen * memcached is running 14:18 * tcohen thinks it might be poorly configured :-/ 14:27 oleonard dpavlin++ # for the Bug 11216 fix 14:28 magnuse tcohen: did you configure it in the right place? apache conf, not koha-conf.xml 14:28 * oleonard 's face falls when he realizes huginn still isn't here :( 14:28 tcohen i was missing the apache config 14:28 tcohen I didn't realize my patch for packages wasnt already on 3.12 14:30 tcohen is it even in master 14:32 magnuse "Bug 10733 - Memcached on package installs" is in master 14:32 tcohen thanks magnuse 14:33 magnuse that bug adds memcached config both to apache-site.conf.in and koha-conf-site.xml.in :-) 14:33 magnuse i remove it again in "Bug 11167 - Remove memcached config from koha-conf-site.xml.in" 14:33 magnuse ...which is just passed qa 14:35 tcohen when I wrote that 10733 patches I did it that way because I noticed it was still used somewhere... 14:35 tcohen actually... 14:35 tcohen it was a while ago, i'll try to remember 14:35 druthb o/ 14:36 magnuse \o 14:36 druthb magnuse! 14:36 wahanui i heard magnuse was a Norwegian giant. 14:36 magnuse tcohen: oh noes! nice if you remember - that should be fixed 14:36 magnuse druthb: before i forget again: have you ever migrated from aleph to koha? 14:37 druthb magnuse: hmm…I think so. 14:38 magnuse druthb: do you remember what it was like? e.g. on a scale from 1 to 10 ;-) 14:38 druthb I don't see any ILS-specific tools for that in my git repo, so if we did, I suspect we got MARCs with embedded items, and CSVs for everything else. My generic tools would be able to mash that. If that's the case, it'd be silly-easy. 14:38 magnuse goody 14:39 druthb Don't hold me to that; I could be remembering wrong. But I think I did at least one of 'em. 14:39 magnuse i'll take "silly-easy" as an answer until further notice ;-) 14:40 druthb I am willing to do consult help, if you hit a wall. :) Shout if you need any help. 14:40 magnuse i'm also going to send an email to the list, to see what experience people have 14:40 magnuse druthb: cool! 14:41 magnuse ad the reason i'm asking is that there was a library running aleph that was curious about any libraris that have experience with switching from aleph to koha :-) 14:41 magnuse oh well, i gotta run! 14:41 magnuse have fun, #koha! 14:52 * oleonard wonders which of these old dateofbirth values in his patron database are really valid... Probably not the one with the birth day 1 May 981. 14:53 * druthb chuckles 14:53 oleonard "Your account has expired because you should have by now" 14:53 kf oleonard:speaking of those - i had lots of problems yesterday with date of birth and patrons 14:53 kf are yo working on those by chance? 14:54 oleonard I discovered Bug 11220 because a bad patron dateofbirth value triggered an error 14:55 oleonard We have many patron accounts with the dateofbirth '0000-00-00' which Koha really ought to handle better. 14:55 oleonard I don't know if that's the same kind of thing you were dealing with kf? 14:57 oleonard Looks like Koha currently adds new patrons with '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth if you don't specify a value 14:57 oleonard I wonder if that is new? 14:58 oleonard 1. Create a new patron. Leave dateofbirth empty. 2. Save the record. 3. Open the record for editing. 4. Save the record without making changes. 5. Koha gives you an error: "Date of birth is invalid." 14:58 oleonard That's definitely a bug. 15:00 oleonard My production database doesn't list any new registrations which have '0000-00-00' as the dateofbirth (3.10.x) 15:01 oleonard So I guess I have a tedious git bisect in my future :| 15:25 vfernandes hi guys :) 15:25 vfernandes i have another tricky question 15:25 vfernandes i'm using koha authorities to manage a thesaurus 15:26 vfernandes BT (broader terms) and NT (narrower terms) are possible in Koha 15:26 vfernandes it's possible to have related terms? in thesaurus definition they are USE an UF 15:28 jcamins vfernandes: USE and UF are different from related terms. 15:28 vfernandes humm ok 15:28 vfernandes but are possible to implement in Koha? 15:28 jcamins Related terms (RT) are used when there are valid authority records for both terms. 15:28 jcamins Yes, that's what 5xx fields are. 15:29 vfernandes http://koha.keep.pt/cgi-bin/koha/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl?authid=24224 15:29 jcamins I see one related term. 15:29 vfernandes this example has 2 narrower terms, 1 broader term and one related term 15:30 vfernandes USE and UF can be implemented using wich letter in $5? 15:30 jcamins No, USE and UF are 4xx. 15:30 jcamins Not related terms at all. 15:30 vfernandes ok 15:30 jcamins You have one UF term, "Formação Ãrea e Território" 15:31 jcamins And two USE terms, "Formação Sectorial" and "Formação Ãrea" 15:31 jcamins Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 15:31 jcamins You might want to think about reviewing your mappings. 15:31 vfernandes this is only a test :D 15:32 vfernandes can you explain me how to do a USE? 15:32 jcamins You don't. 15:33 jcamins The way MARC thesauri work, you don't have records for non-preferred terms. 15:33 vfernandes ok... but you can enter the terms? 15:33 vfernandes on fields 4XX? 15:34 jcamins 4xx is for Used for. 15:34 tcohen magnus_away: i posted a small and simple followup 15:35 vfernandes so UF it's possible but USE not? 15:35 jcamins Right, because there are no records for the non-preferred terms. 15:38 vfernandes ok... there is anyway to "pass" the MARC thesauri limitations? 15:40 jcamins Not really. 15:40 jcamins Well- don't use MARC. But that doesn't really help. 15:49 gmcharlt @quote random 15:49 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #217: "<slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...?" (added by mtompset at 03:29 PM, September 26, 2012) 15:49 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:52 druthb hi, mtompset! 15:52 tcohen hi gmcharlt 15:52 mtompset greetings, druthb tcohen. 15:52 gmcharlt howdy 15:52 mtompset Greetings gmcharlt . :) 15:52 druthb @quote random 15:52 huginn druthb: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010) 15:52 tcohen heya mtompset 15:52 wahanui well, mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry. 15:55 oleonard Hm, looks like my patron date problem was caused by a change to SQLHelper.pm? 15:55 oleonard git bisect blames Bug 10403 15:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add ability to set fund/budget on receipt 15:55 oleonard huginn! 15:58 tcohen mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way 15:59 tcohen mtompset: I have added the missing bits to Building Debian Packages - The easy way 15:59 mtompset I'm looking at it. :) 16:01 oleonard Bug 11221 16:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11221 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , New patrons are created with invalid dateofbirth value if field is left empty 16:01 mtompset Wouldn't create your own apt-repository be better as a separate wiki page? 16:01 tcohen that's how we deploy our home-backed koha-common packages 16:02 tcohen ah, that could be another option, you're right 16:02 mtompset but then most certainly link to it from this one. :) 16:02 vfernandes thanks jcamins... jcamins++ 16:14 tcohen mtompset: done 16:15 liw hm, my CV does not mention Perl 16:15 tcohen is it possible that I hate (a lot) how the Wiki is organized 16:21 kf oleonard: yes, that's what i saw (... an still reading back) 16:21 mtompset tcohen: you mean it is organized?! 16:21 mtompset Because if you assume that, there is a lot to hate. 16:23 Barrc Hey all, quick "submitting a patch question". If changing the DB structure I need a $DBversion, is it just the revision of Koha I have cloned e.g "3.13.00.042"? 16:24 mtompset Barrc: in updatedatabase.pl you use XXX for the last 3. 16:25 mtompset It's the responsibility of the RM to change it. 16:25 mtompset and you don't change kohaversion.pl 16:25 Barrc Oh! Cool, that makes sense. Thanks 16:25 mtompset right, gmcharlt? 16:25 gmcharlt correct 16:25 * mtompset notes that gmcharlt is 3.16 and 3.14 RM. 16:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=31e9c90e2b509919f4028aa0a8e69332df04e7e1> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=87470f394aa58e7ea1d89cadffc8d724b433cd80> / Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a 16:32 ashimema The wiki could really do with a good tidying.. 16:32 jenkins_koha Starting build #213 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:32 * ashimema seems to remember someone volunteering at kohacon13 hackfest 16:33 ashimema kf.. who was it that wanted to attack the wiki for us? 16:33 kf hmmm maybe joel? but I think it was someone else even 16:34 ashimema that's the one.. Joel was deffo keen on helping with wiki 16:34 kf i don't think the categories in the wiki really work for us currently 16:34 kf there are way too many 16:34 kf all the scrolling when you edit a page is quite terrible 16:34 ashimema we have too many bad plugins that make it even more confusing too. 16:35 ashimema It could do with someone taking it on.. making it read only for a couple of weeks whilst they sort it out on a local copy. 16:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1499 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:37 kf hm not sure taking it off the web a couple of weeks would be good - but maybe you could work in sectiosn 16:37 kf for example we should markt he old rfcs 16:37 kf they are confusing for people - thinking the features are really in koha that way 16:37 ashimema i don't mean take it away completely.. jsut stick it in read only mode. 16:37 ashimema that way it can stay as a reference but can't be updated whilst someone is trying to fix it 16:38 ashimema the RFC's should have a really clear workflow and status on them.. otherwise they're more than useless and confusing. 16:41 kf Agreed, not sure how to do it best in mediawiki tho 16:41 kf i never really got warm with it, i am more a dokuwiki type of person still :) 16:41 ashimema easy.. use templates 16:42 kf half the time i end up changing the template instead of using it... i should learn how to use them 16:42 ashimema mediawiki is crazy powerfull.. jsut has a slight learning curve to start with... if someone takes the time to set up a bunch of templates and write some rules ofr their use then they work great! 16:42 ashimema I'm also a big fan of forms.. 16:43 ashimema so create a template, then create a from so filling out said template is easier.. 16:43 ashimema We have a customers only wiki for evergreen that looks great because it was planned from day one.. I wish our inranet wiki was as good ;) 16:44 kf ashimema: you will make us volunteer you for it... 16:44 kf if you don't stop sounding so knowledgeable 16:45 ashimema mmm... most of it's in the planning.. I'de be happy to help implement if we worked out a plan. 16:45 ashimema who hosts the wiki anyways? 16:47 kf ah sec 16:47 kf that's on the start page at least :) 16:47 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration#wiki.koha-community.org 16:48 ashimema haha.. 16:49 ashimema Equinox 16:51 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a290309daf1b0984ff168d399d7dd7e0c380ffbd> 16:55 kf bye all :) 16:59 rambutan @wunder 64507 16:59 huginn rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.1°C (10:59 AM CST on November 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). 16:59 gmcharlt ashimema: send me a note with what you have in mind 16:59 rambutan hey, he's back 17:01 gmcharlt but TBH, I think incremental changes beats "lock the wiki for two weeks", especially since we're talking about a wiki that essentially has to let any non-spammer join it 17:05 ashimema Yeah.. maybe incremental is best.. 17:05 ashimema Whats the traffic on the wiki in terms of edits like? 17:05 ashimema A fast moving target is very hard to clean up.. hense my thoughts on locking it read only for a short period. 17:07 ashimema I'd love to see some drastic cutting back on the categories we have with some clear guidelines on what categories are for so people put their pages in the right place to start with.. then also use semantic mediawiki for 'tagging' pages for search reasons. 17:10 ashimema I'd also like to cut back on the navigation related plugins we have.. having 'CategoryTree', 'Multi-Category Search', 'BreadCrumbs', 'Category Breadcrumb' and 'SelectCategory' all enabled at the same time is plain confusing for all.. 17:10 gmcharlt average is roughly 10 edits a day; while making it read-only for a couple days is reasonable, I would hope that a sufficiently well-managed reorganzation effort that does some protoyping first wouldn't require longer than that 17:11 ashimema Fair point.. 17:11 ashimema I'm coming to that conclusion too now as it happens.. 17:12 reiveune bye 17:12 gmcharlt more importantly, though -- if you want to reorganize the wiki, are you willing to commit to act for (say) at least six months as a wiki manager to both teach folks how to work with the new scheme and to keep things tidy? 17:14 ashimema Hmm... time is always at a president. 17:15 ashimema but it does sound like there are a fair few more people than me who would like to see the wiki more usable again. 17:16 gmcharlt well, lots of people want things -- that's a constant 17:16 ashimema very true 17:16 wahanui I know. That's why I said it. 17:17 ashimema Might see if i can get in touch with Joel as he was very interested in contributing to a wiki tidy up.. I've committed to such things on other wiki's so could possibly help lead the way. (I did allot on openstreetmaps way back and ran our two internal wiki's at ptfs europe) 17:17 gmcharlt I'm not trying to dissuade you, but I am suggesting that a reorg that includes follow-through for a reasonably long period of time is better than is allowed to immdiately decay 17:18 gmcharlt *one that is allowed 17:18 ashimema yeah.. it would need maintenance.. hence my thoughts on trying to get Joel onboard. 17:19 ashimema Are there things holding us back from upgrading mediawiki out of interest? 17:20 jcamins ashimema: interest? 17:20 wahanui interest is bunched in particular regions. 17:20 jcamins ;) 17:21 gmcharlt ashimema: and tuits 17:23 ashimema tuits? 17:23 oleonard Tuits are what you have when you have the time get 'round to it 17:24 ashimema I see.. 17:24 ashimema Americanism me thinks.. never heard that before 17:24 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #213: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/213/ 17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation 17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated 17:24 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration 17:24 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated 17:24 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt 17:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt 17:24 oleonard It may even be a gmcharltism ashimema ;) 17:24 ashimema I see our mediawiki is running on postgres.. that certainly make upgrade more challenging.. 17:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #214 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:25 jcamins I think a gmcharltism. I don't think I've ever heard it from anyone who doesn't talk with gmcharlt a lot. 17:26 gmcharlt it's not original to me, though -- I first heard it from my colleaques at Equinox 17:26 ashimema all makes sense now 17:37 gaetan_B bye ! 17:37 mtompset get around to it? I guess it could be a North American idiom. 17:43 talljoy back 17:53 ashimema time to clock off 18:05 tcohen gmcharlt: i've attached a followup for the usmarc->marcxml patch series 18:06 tcohen so it uses the new MARC::FIeld->as_string functionality 18:06 tcohen question: is it ok that I also pushed the dependencies to higher versions? 18:06 gmcharlt ok 18:06 tcohen MARC::Record 2.0.6 and MARC::File::XML 1.0.1 18:14 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #214: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/master_maria/214/ 18:14 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search 18:14 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search 18:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #111 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #98 1 mo 1 day ago) 18:36 tcohen gmcharlt: is there access to the scripts jenkins runs? i'd like to fix whatever is needed in the build node for jenkins to give useful info :-D 18:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1499: SUCCESS in 2 hr 0 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1499/ 18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: regression tests for Due notice generation 18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: fix Item Due notices not being generated 18:36 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix some whitespace and a variable declaration 18:36 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 11218: (follow-up) fix whitespace 18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11218 critical, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Due notices broken / not generated 18:36 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 11159: fix small typo in catalogue/results.tt 18:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11159 trivial, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Small typo in catalogue/results.tt 18:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #1500 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:51 JWellner Good morning Nicole! 18:54 gmcharlt tcohen: I don't think I have credentials for the 'Bernardo' box, though I bet you do 18:55 gmcharlt if only by saying, "hey, bgkriegel, let me in!" 18:55 gmcharlt ;) 18:59 gmcharlt tcohen: juding by the logs, at minimum it looks like you need to get Devel::CoverReport onto that box 19:00 gmcharlt other modules that rangi had installed from CPAN on my build sliave when it set it up are TAP::Harness::JUnit and HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench 19:02 tcohen It says smth about missing parameters to cover 19:02 tcohen I installed most missing perl libs 19:02 jcamins tcohen: I think you need the install Devel::Cover from cpan, because the version that is packaged is too old. 19:04 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 19:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #111: FIXED in 29 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/111/ 19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Add unit tests for ILSDI::Services::AuthenticatePatron 19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Allow authentication with cardnumber for ILS-DI 19:04 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10667: Follow up - prevent t/00-load from failing 19:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10667: (follow-up) fix reference to UT library in test case 19:04 jenkins_koha * Galen Charlton: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent 19:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10667 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: AuthenticatePatron should also work with cardnumber 19:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10897 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent 19:04 gmcharlt tcohen++ # looks like you got it 19:04 cait lots of my patches pushed today 19:04 cait i like that heh :) 19:16 rangi Jenkins should be happy now. Signing off as I walk into a room with 750 hackers, see you all in a couple of days 19:17 rambutan wow, how much coffee would you need to support 750 hackers? 19:21 rambutan 750 X 6 cups/day = 4,500 cups = 1,125 quarts/liters = 281 gallons/quadraliters 19:23 JWellner or the output of one small starbucks.... 19:24 jcamins JWellner: according to a random website that came up when I searched "how much coffee does a starbucks make in a day," that's actually *three* Starbucks stores. 19:26 JWellner On average or one of the ones in the Pac NW? :) 19:26 druthb lol 19:27 JWellner rofl :) 19:28 rambutan humm, wonder if they grow coffee in NZ, lemme ask google 19:30 rambutan apparently not of any significance 19:32 JWellner I'd have to ask my buddy who lives down there. 19:34 talljoy hi jeremywellner_ and JWellner 19:35 jeremywellner_ Hi Joy! 19:35 bag hello 20:32 mtompset @later tell papa My bad! I thought I had put up a patch, which I hadn't. :( Sorry. 20:32 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded. 20:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1500: SUCCESS in 1 hr 57 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1500/ 20:33 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 11189: Rename "Print" label in UNIMARC advanced search 20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Rename Print label in UNIMARC advanced search 21:16 joels68 Greetings Kohans. 21:19 oleonard Have a good weekend Kohans. 22:42 talljoy back 22:55 rambutan the party's over talljoy, the weekend is up! 22:55 talljoy pfft 22:55 talljoy my work week is still here. 22:55 talljoy :-( 22:55 talljoy got to move a library tonight and tomorrow nigt. 22:56 talljoy but rambutan i wish i could leave like everyone else. lol 22:56 rambutan ah 22:56 talljoy we've been 'left behind' argh 23:02 jeremywellner_ watch for zombies.... 23:03 bag I see walkers everywhere 23:04 * bag is just in his second season of the walking dead 23:04 * talljoy doesn't understand the popularity of zombies 23:04 talljoy there i said it. 23:04 talljoy i just don't get it 23:06 pianohacker once you get bitten by a fad like that you just get can't enough of it though 23:06 jeremywellner_ Well of course zombies aren't popular... they are not the sorts of former people you'd want to invite over to your parents for dinner 23:07 jeremywellner_ Even zombie cheerleaders and football players who were once popular are now targeted for their appearance and intellect 23:08 jeremywellner_ All they want to do is gain your acceptance (and other parts of you... psyche or otherwise) 23:08 jeremywellner_ and live in a utopia of their own choosing 23:08 jeremywellner_ thus representing the dreams of millions of immigrants coming to America 23:09 jeremywellner_ who come here to create a new and prosperous life for themselves... 23:09 jeremywellner_ Is that so bad Joy? 23:10 jeremywellner_ Would you deny the American Dream to millions of former people who just need a little help to stay on their feet? 23:58 talljoy back