Time  Nick           Message
00:10 tcohen         eythian, do u have a way to reproduce the problem that made bug 8773 fail qa?
00:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
00:10 tcohen         otherwise I think it should be left as signed off
00:13 tcohen         (or needs sign-off, if the disabling followup needs to be signed)
00:28 eythian        @later tell tcohen I just set up an instance, ran koha-start-indexer, and it didn't work.
00:28 huginn         eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:41 rangi          http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/7876549/Photos-Zombie-Run-on-Somes-Island
00:41 rangi          best fun run ever!
00:42 rangi          photo 6 is my favourite
00:45 * wizzyrea     waves
00:45 rangi          hey look its nz wizzyrea !
00:45 wizzyrea       :D
00:45 eythian        so the internet worked then? :)
00:46 * wizzyrea     thanks eythian for the wifi access :)
00:46 kathryn        hello wizzyrea! :D
00:46 wizzyrea       indeed!
00:46 wizzyrea       hiyas!
00:46 wizzyrea       big hugs all around
00:46 rangi          tired?
00:46 kathryn        real hug soon!
00:47 eythian        you should come out for lunch or something one of these days when you've recovered a bit more.
00:48 wizzyrea       hmm... i'm considering the tired question
00:48 wizzyrea       while it is true that I didn't sleep much on the plane, I don't feel especially tired.
00:48 kathryn        wired?
00:48 rangi          thats good if you can stay awake til night you will feel better tomorrow
00:48 eythian        wait til either 6pm when you fall asleep, or 3am when you are still awake :)
00:48 rangi          heh eyeah
00:48 wizzyrea       hm, no, not especially wired
00:50 rangi          doing all your emails to let ppl know you arrived safe and sound?
00:51 eythian        oh, the weather is supposed to be good this week too, so good timing.
00:51 wizzyrea       oh yes
00:51 wizzyrea       skyping thatch's mom now
00:51 rangi          :)
00:52 rangi          how's soren? survive the trip ok?
00:52 wizzyrea       oh yea
00:52 wizzyrea       he slept about 8 of the 12 hours
00:52 rangi          ohh perfect
00:52 wizzyrea       about 6 of it on my lap
00:52 wizzyrea       lulz.
00:53 kathryn        sounds like he had a great trip!
00:53 wizzyrea       oh yea - it was kind of epic
00:53 rangi          don asks if you want to crew a catalyst yacht for sailing races
00:53 wizzyrea       !
00:53 eythian        he's been trying to recruit everyone for that
00:53 rangi          (well he asked everyone)
00:53 wizzyrea       I would need some training on that
00:53 wizzyrea       lol.
00:53 rangi          To do this we need a crew of between 3 and 7 people each week. You don't
00:53 rangi          need sailing experience. We will rotate crews over the weeks so that
00:53 rangi          hopefully everyone who wants to gets a sail.
00:53 wizzyrea       lol!
00:54 wizzyrea       well I'll try anything once
00:54 eythian        it actually sounds like an interesting idea
00:54 ibeardslee     hmm he hasn't asked me
00:54 wizzyrea       the trip itself was pretty epic
00:54 rangi          ibeardslee: check your emails
00:54 eythian        ibeardslee: yeah, well. umm, I don't know how to break this to you...
00:54 ibeardslee     oh there we go
00:54 wizzyrea       we landed in denver had a 30 minute layover, pretty much just enough to get to the gate and get on the next plane
00:54 rangi          ahh thats a tight layover
00:55 wizzyrea       had about an hour in LA - that was just about too close
00:55 kathryn        eek
00:55 wizzyrea       we waited for 15 then got on the plane
00:55 wizzyrea       had 2 hours in auckland, that was nice
00:55 ibeardslee     oh bother, Wednesdays is when I hit people
00:55 wizzyrea       customs and bioseurity was really fast
00:55 rangi          excellent :)
00:56 wizzyrea       all of our bags made it, and only one casualty
00:56 wizzyrea       soren's small sonic screwdriver
00:56 rangi          oh?
00:56 rangi          oh no
00:56 rangi          was in the carryon?
00:56 wizzyrea       but the big one made it :)
00:56 wizzyrea       no, actually
00:56 rangi          good :)
00:56 wizzyrea       it was broken in a checked bag, that was inside another suitcase.
00:56 wizzyrea       no idea how that happened.
00:56 rangi          yeah that is odd
00:57 rangi          didnt have a TSA sticker inside?
00:57 wizzyrea       hmm no
00:57 rangi          they usually leave a note if they open it
00:57 wizzyrea       i am CERTAIN that at least one of the bags was inspected
00:58 rangi          id blame them then :)
00:58 wizzyrea       hehe
01:05 * jcamins_away waves to wizzyrea.
01:06 wizzyrea       hey jcamins!
01:06 wahanui        jcamins is, like, brilliant
01:06 wizzyrea       why aren't you in bed? :D
01:06 rangi          hurricane blew it downt the street?
01:07 eythian        ibeardslee: Wednesdays is when I stab people, same problem.
01:11 cjh            wizzyrea: welcome to nz!
01:12 jcamins_away   wizzyrea: it's only 9pm.
01:13 ibeardslee     eythian: I'm going to try and get one of my black belts to take a class for me so I can have a go
01:13 * ibeardslee   will be quiet about Captain Bligh and my family tree
01:14 rangi          heh
01:24 eythian        wizzyrea: useful things to know, if you need simple things there's a dairy about 7 mins walk away (head towards Newtown, you'll see it) and a supermarket in Newtown proper which is probably 15 minutes or so. Go to newtown, walk left. It's called New World and has big signs etc.
01:25 rangi          i think kathryn's parents took them there on the way from the airport
01:25 eythian        there is a bus artery as soon as you get to the main street, which is very easy to get in to town with.
01:25 eythian        ah right
01:26 * tcohen       is going to sleep, Fringe episode first, and waves #koha
01:26 rangi          cya tcohen
01:27 cjh            o/
01:27 kathryn        yeah, they've been to a supermarket, not sure which :)
02:09 wizzyrea       we went to... gah I can't remember the place but it wasn't a new world
02:09 wizzyrea       it was yellow
02:10 rangi          pak n slave?
02:10 cjh            heh
02:10 rangi          in kilbirnie
02:10 wizzyrea       that must have been it ^.^
02:10 wizzyrea       I dig this house though.
02:11 wizzyrea       what is the best place to get things such as clothes hangers
02:11 cjh            warehouse maybe?
02:13 rangi          hmm yeah, you could get them at warehouse, altho in walking distance, the new world will have them
02:13 rangi          or the $2 shop which is right next to the new world
02:13 rangi          probably has them too
02:13 cjh            [off] wizzyrea https://plus.google.com/103344844559412068363/about?hl=en
02:14 wizzyrea       thanks :)
02:14 cjh            $2 is also a really good bet.
02:14 wahanui        okay, cjh.
02:14 cjh            hahaha
02:14 cjh            $2
02:14 rangi          $2?
02:14 wahanui        $2 is a really good bet.
02:14 cjh            heh
02:14 rangi          heh
02:14 eythian        although the $2 shop ones will probably break as soon as you put a damp jacket on them
02:15 cjh            also true
02:15 rangi          yup
02:17 * wizzyrea     ponders this
02:17 rangi          you could get a few from new world
02:18 rangi          theyd be ok quality
02:18 rangi          on the aisle with all the lightbulbs and stuff
02:18 eythian        It's a nice day out there, I'd suggest going wandering up and down Riddiford street to see what shops there are that would be useful.
02:18 rangi          *nod*
02:20 rangi          if you are up to a walk that is :)
02:20 rangi          vitamin d helps fight jet lag
02:21 eythian        well, it's all downhill to get there. And once you're there you're committed to getting back.
02:21 rangi          heh
02:22 mtj            hi peeps, hi wizzyrea
02:22 rangi          hey mtj
02:38 rangi          oh noes wizzyrea broke your internets
02:38 rangi          or maybe she walked downstairs :)
02:44 eythian        !!
02:52 jcamins_away   Some have expressed concern that the hurricane might impact subway service.
02:52 jcamins_away   The subway has been shut down for at least 4 hours.
02:52 jcamins_away   I'm going to have to conclude that yes, subway service has been impacted.
02:52 rangi          heh
02:57 rangi          wb wizzyrea
02:57 rangi          we thought you busted the nz internets already
02:57 eythian        jcamins_away: your subway needs some giant subway-sized rubber stoppers
02:57 eythian        (London has that sort of thing)
02:58 eythian        http://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2011/10/26/the-northern-line-tunnel-that-was-bombed-and-flooded-in-1940-and-is-still-sealed-shut/ <-- also this sort of thing.
02:58 jcamins_away   eythian: our subway is half-flooded when it isn't raining at all.
02:58 eythian        that sounds impractical.
02:59 eythian        unless it's the submarineway I guess
03:03 wizzyrea       lol naw
03:17 jcamins_away   eythian: that's fascinating.
03:17 eythian        it really is
03:17 eythian        I have a bunch of his other posts opened for reading too.
03:17 eythian        I think I'll just have to add him to my rss reader.
03:18 jcamins_away   Did you see the map of the NYC subway system as it was designed?
03:18 eythian        nope
03:18 jcamins_away   I'll find it for you.
03:20 jcamins_away   http://project.wnyc.org/news-maps/lost-subways/
03:22 * jcamins_away really regrets they didn't do the E76th St connection.
03:25 jcamins_away   Whoah. There used to be two B trains and two R trains in NYC.
03:25 eythian        London has some great ones, also where the tube goes above-ground there're often fake house frontages that it goes behind, you wouldn't notice them if you weren't looking.
03:26 rangi          http://hint.fm/wind/
03:26 rangi          wooooo
03:27 jcamins_away   A bit breezy here.
03:27 eythian        that doesn't actually look all that windy
03:27 eythian        top speed of 36mph
03:28 eythian        that's only 58kph
03:28 jcamins_away   Oh, I didn't see the numbers.
03:29 jcamins_away   I was looking at the animation.
03:29 eythian        I mean, I wouldn't go biking in that, but walking would be OK
03:31 jcamins_away   It's the rain that will keep me from going out.
03:31 * jcamins_away heard it's supposed to rain.
03:31 * jcamins_away heads to bed.
03:31 jcamins_away   Night.
03:31 rangi          heh
03:31 eythian        yeah, the rain is a showstopper often
03:31 eythian        later
03:43 rangi          right, home time for me, ill wave at newtown as i go past wizzyrea
03:45 wizzyrea       lol cool
03:46 eythian        I won't be going home for a while yet, but how about I put on some really loud music at 11pm?
03:47 eythian        (disclaimer: I don't think my speakers can do "really loud")
03:47 wizzyrea       sure, go ahead ;)
03:55 rangi          Oh I remember what I was gonna say
03:55 rangi          If you can't be bothered cooking
03:56 rangi          Mediterranean food warehouse does wood fired pizzza
04:00 eythian        oh yeah
04:00 eythian        they're also good for food.
04:00 eythian        like, grocery type stuff.
04:00 eythian        I need to go there at some stage, I've been missing that kind of stuff since France.
04:23 eythian        So we support using 'and' and 'or' in the basic OPAC search?
04:23 eythian        it seems to be working for me, anyway, but I had it in my head that Koha didn't.
04:25 mtj            if you go to med-food after 5:30 its mostly half-price too
05:12 * Oak          waves
06:45 magnuse        Oak
06:47 * magnuse      waves at #koha in general
06:54 magnuse        @wunder boo
06:54 huginn         magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:20 AM CET on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Snow Showers. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
07:02 magnuse        kia ora cait
07:02 cait           kia ora magnuse :)
07:03 magnuse        early for a holiday?
07:05 magnuse        rangi++ for these stats: http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2012/10/28/bug-resolution-statistics-for-2012-to-date/
07:10 magnuse        w00t for wizzyrea and trea and spud arriving safely!
07:17 cait           yep :)
07:21 magnuse        huh, the philipines are actively installing 2.2.9 on fedora?
07:22 cait           yes
07:22 eythian_       yeah.
07:23 magnuse        wow
07:23 cait           i thought they were using windows... now it makes less sense than before
07:23 magnuse        yup
07:23 magnuse        i thought the same thing
07:28 magnuse        hey eythian_ are you and wizzy neighbours now?
07:28 eythian_       yep
07:28 cait           :)
07:28 magnuse        how cool is that!
07:28 eythian_       I don't yet, I'll let you know tomorrow ;)
07:29 cait           have you seen them today?
07:29 cait           ah
07:36 julian_m       hello
07:36 wahanui        hola, julian_m
07:38 reiveune       hello
07:38 wahanui        bonjour, reiveune
08:05 lds            hello
08:05 rangi          hi lds
08:06 lds            hi rangi
08:08 gaetan_B       hello
08:08 * cait         waves
08:09 alex_a         bonjour
08:09 wahanui        bonjour, alex_a
08:09 alex_a         wahanui: o/
08:09 wahanui        alex_a: huh?
08:13 cait           @wunder Konstanz
08:13 huginn         cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (9:00 AM CET on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
08:15 rangi          @wunder nzwn
08:15 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
08:16 eythian_       I'm glad I came back when I did :)
08:16 cait           you missed out on the snow...
08:17 cait           well, you also missed out on swimming i nthe lake, so does the season really matter? :)
08:18 eythian_       haha
08:25 * magnuse      woke up to winter wonderland today - every branch of every tree coated in a couple of cm snow
08:27 cait           we had a bit of snow yesterday
08:27 cait           well it snowed a little bit all day, but it's too warm still
08:27 eythian_       there was snow here a week or so ago (by here, I mean down south, and around mountains)
08:28 cait           :)
08:30 magnuse        huh, isn't this meant to be summer in nz?
08:30 eythian_       no, spring
08:31 eythian_       and there's always a dump of snow in spring.
08:31 magnuse        ah
08:31 rangi          its not summer until late november
08:31 eythian_       I used to work on a sheep farm in spring (lambing time) and every second year or so we'd get more than a few cm of snow for a week or so
08:31 magnuse        ok
08:32 eythian_       often more like 20-30cm
08:32 eythian_       I don't like snow any more
08:32 magnuse        wow
08:32 magnuse        where was this?
08:33 eythian_       http://goo.gl/maps/Owv4U <-- near here
08:34 magnuse        ah, that's pretty far south
08:34 rangi          did you put your loud music on yet eythian_ ?
08:34 eythian_       no, I'm not home yet. I'm working on my app.
08:34 rangi          alexandra gets cold too, and really hot too
08:35 rangi          ahh
08:35 magnuse        the beer app?
08:35 eythian_       yeah, my parents have a house in alex
08:35 * magnuse      wants to see the south island too
08:36 eythian_       I only go there in summer
08:36 eythian_       where I end up sitting in the low-mid 30's trying to cope :)
08:36 magnuse        hehe, probably a good idea :-)
08:36 magnuse        30C?
08:36 eythian_       the hottest temperature on record in NZ, and the lowest are two towns very close to each other
08:36 eythian_       yeah
08:37 rangi          good for growing apricots :)
08:38 eythian_       yeah, I spent a summer picking cherries in Roxborough (nearby)
08:38 eythian_       it was boring
08:38 magnuse        wow, i would have guessed it didn't get that hot that far south
08:38 magnuse        how hot does wellington get in summer?
08:38 eythian_       it's about the most inland in the country, so it's semi-arid
08:38 eythian_       on a _hot_ day, nearly 30
08:39 eythian_       on a typical warm day, ~25ish
08:39 eythian_       but we have a giant ocean being a temperature buffer, and a lot of wind.
08:39 magnuse        temperature_buffers++
08:40 eythian_       it's a mixed blessing, on one hand, it doesn't get hot. On the other, it doesn't get cold.
08:40 magnuse        sounds perfect :-)
08:40 magnuse        we have the same effect from the ocean here in BOO
08:41 rangi          http://live.wellingtonnz.com/page/facts-and-stats.aspx#climate
08:41 rangi          norway with a touch of greece apparently
08:42 magnuse        hehe
08:42 eythian_       I've not been to Greece, but if it's anything like where I was in France, I don't buy it :)
08:42 eythian_       it was consistently hotter there than I've ever had in NZ outside Alex
08:42 magnuse        ooh, those are good numbers rangi
08:43 eythian_       that site doesn't show the average wind speed however :)
08:43 magnuse        yeah, there is that
08:43 rangi          heh
08:43 magnuse        and saying something is like norway is very general
08:43 magnuse        we have places that get -40 in the winter
08:43 eythian_       http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/wellington/wellington-city <-- click on "windiest" on the right
08:44 rangi          248kmph
08:44 rangi          thats the highest gust recorded in wellington
08:44 rangi          http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/6111069/How-windy-is-Wellington-really
08:45 eythian_       The lowest temp recorded here is -25 in Ranfurly, which is about two days bike from Alexandra
08:45 * magnuse      has experienced 200+ kmph - in greenland
08:45 rangi          that also has a video of some poor lady trying to cross the road on one of our windy days last year
08:45 magnuse        ooh, that's a cool sign, with the letters blowing away :-)
08:46 eythian_       and the highest was 42 in Rangiora, perhaps a couple of hours drive from Ranfurly :)
08:46 * magnuse      has experienced -47 - also in greenland
08:48 cait           hm I still agree with magnuse - sounds about perfect :)
08:48 eythian_       mental note: don't go to Greenland
08:48 rangi          https://twitpic.com/b8f37g
08:48 cait           hehe
08:48 magnuse        nah, go to greenalnd in summer!
08:48 rangi          the antenna is covering wizzyrea's house!
08:48 magnuse        yay
08:50 eythian_       I saw a great ISS pic of Wellington and Malborough sounds the other day
08:51 eythian_       But I can't find it at the moment
08:51 magnuse        what's wizzyreas neighbourhood called? karori?
08:52 rangi          newtown
08:53 magnuse        wadestown - is that where reed lives? :-)
08:53 rangi          it was
08:53 eythian_       [off] http://goo.gl/maps/90uX4 <-- almost stalkervision
08:54 rangi          he bought a house in ngaio gorge
08:54 eythian_       it's not right there, but it's close
08:54 magnuse        thanks eythian_
08:55 magnuse        close to the airport then - handy
08:55 eythian_       hmm, I didn't realise quite how close the harbour is. I should try biking that way one day.
08:55 eythian_       yeah
08:56 magnuse        looks like an easy walk
08:56 eythian_       there's a hill in the way, but if I do that first, it might not be so bad.
08:56 eythian_       yeah, that's cos it looks flat on google
08:56 magnuse        and green stuff all the way up to mount victoria
08:57 magnuse        ah yes
08:57 eythian_       yeah, the only thing between their place and the town belt is my place
08:57 rangi          you could loop, over to kilbirnie, roseneath and round oriental bay
08:58 eythian_       yeah, that's what I was thinking
08:58 rangi          be a nice ride in summer
08:58 eythian_       it's all cycle lanes along there too
08:58 rangi          plenty of cafes to stop at too
08:58 eythian_       at least, a lot of it
08:59 eythian_       I once did that on a windy day. Big mistake. Got sea spray blown on me.
08:59 eythian_       (going out towards the airport)
08:59 rangi          ah yeah
09:01 eythian_       I stopped at a dairy and the guy there was all "why are you biking now? can't you see it's really windy?"
09:01 eythian_       (it wasn't windy when I started)
09:01 rangi          hehe
09:02 cait           lol
09:04 eythian_       it's a good 40-50km to bike all the way around, but if you get a nice day, it's well worth it.
09:13 magnuse        ooh, a bug reported by someone from " National Library of Poland"?
09:14 rangi          yup
09:15 mtj            hey folks
09:15 magnuse        rangi: do you know if their national library is using it?
09:15 magnuse        kia ora mtj
09:15 rangi          magnuse: not that i know of, maybe they will be soon, if we answer their questions ;)
09:16 magnuse        :-)
09:18 eythian_       hopefully not 2.2.9
09:18 magnuse        !
09:19 cait           on fedora?
09:20 magnuse        :-/
09:21 mtj            hey… has anyone spotted some weird 'limit on availibity' searches on Koha recently?
09:21 rangi          nope
09:22 cait           it doesn't really work I think
09:22 mtj            i bumped into this bug on friday, and have done some more testing… its really got me stumped :/
09:22 rangi          apart from them actually sort of working with DOM, they have never worked correctly before that
09:22 rangi          theyve never worked
09:22 cait           rangi: so why did we keep advertising hte feature? :(
09:22 magnuse        jcamins_away said something about that on friday, i think
09:22 rangi          because they looked like they worked
09:23 rangi          and it worked better than most other systems
09:23 magnuse        hehe
09:23 cait           ew
09:23 rangi          but with DOM it actually works right
09:23 cait           mtj: jcamins_away basically said it was unfixable
09:23 rangi          with grs yes
09:23 cait           hm he said there is also a problem with dom
09:23 cait           maybe it would require more wokr
09:23 cait           I am not sue
09:23 magnuse        http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2012-10-26#i_1114069 and onwards
09:23 cait           I couldn't follow him really, but it did sound kinda pessimistic
09:24 magnuse        "jcamins: It is impossible to make it work with GRS-1, and making it work with DOM will be impractical at least until I've finished the funded parts of the search rewrite."
09:24 magnuse        "jcamins: At that point, it will merely be very difficult."
09:24 rangi          jcamins is always pessimistic
09:24 rangi          thats why he will be a great RM
09:24 cait           lol
09:24 magnuse        hehe
09:24 mtj            ah thanks , i missed his followup
09:26 cait           hm just tested it in one of our 3.6.x installations
09:26 mtj            some good news , this 'availibilty' bug is very easy to replicate on a fresh db, with 2 bibs/items
09:26 cait           it worked... but it removed all records where at least one item was checked out
09:26 cait           so also those where there were still items available
09:27 rangi          the reality is
09:27 rangi          that in a public library
09:27 rangi          the availabity is an approximation to reality
09:27 rangi          even if it was working perfectly
09:27 rangi          in koha
09:27 rangi          that doesnt match whats actually on the shelves
09:27 rangi          ever
09:27 cait           well true
09:27 mtj            yep, i agree :)
09:28 cait           but by being off from the start it doesn't make things better :P
09:28 rangi          thats why no one actually cared enough since zebra
09:28 rangi          it worked fine pre joshua of course
09:28 cait           hmpf
09:29 eythian_       http://i.imgur.com/v4w0u.png
09:30 mtj            fyi: i do plan to log this bug, im just in the 'research' phase
09:30 cait           lol
09:30 rangi          its a known issue already
09:31 magnuse        eythian_: lol
09:31 rangi          without a fix in grs, the best thing to do is get the rewrite done, then it can be fixed
09:31 magnuse        but until then? comment it out?
09:32 rangi          could, or could just leave it
09:34 eythian_       whew, integrating to Google cloud messaging so that my server can send messages to apps is hard work. I think I have all but the actual sending wired up.
09:34 magnuse        hm, how do we decide what to do?
09:34 rangi          or make it easily turned off, because for libraries who have lots of biblios with one item it works fine
09:34 mtj            rangi, aaah i just spotted this,  bug 4481
09:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4481 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, koha.sekjal, Failed QA , Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items
09:34 rangi          yep
09:35 magnuse        rangi: excellent idea - a syspref to turn it on or off
09:35 cait           or just css
09:36 Zeki           Hi,
09:37 magnuse        or jquery :-)
09:37 Zeki           I can not important any MARC records by using "Stage MARC records for import"
09:38 rangi          i still reckon my patch on 4481 will make it a ton better for marc21
09:38 mtj            the weird thing for my bug was, zebra was returning an ERROR on some availibility search strings
09:38 rangi          it will
09:38 rangi          if the index doesnt exist
09:39 mtj            ah, ok - thats great info
09:39 rangi          check this out
09:39 Zeki           anybody can help me about Stage MARC records for import?
09:39 rangi          git show 3daa3143
09:39 rangi          thats why my patch on 4481 was attempting to undo
09:40 Zeki           my koha version 3.8.6
09:40 mtj            Zeki, are your marc records correct?
09:40 Zeki           i tried a few sample marc records
09:40 Zeki           all result same
09:40 Zeki           progress bar not showing anything
09:40 mtj            also, koha doesnt import marcxml format from the gui, only from CLI
09:41 Zeki           what do you mean?
09:43 mtj            i mean… dont attempt to import a marcxml file, from the gui
09:43 Zeki           sorry I need close now, I will check tomorrow
09:43 Zeki           thanks
09:43 mtj            but you have a different problem, to that
09:45 mtj            ah, the other thing i did comfirm was -  both grs1 and dom are glitchy with availability stuff, in the same way
09:46 mtj            i thought on friday, that DOM was buggy, but GRS1 was working ok
09:46 cait           ok, being mean - switching it back to needs signoff
09:46 mtj            but, they were both failing in the same way
09:46 cait           mtj: maybe document you findings somewhere even if you can't fix? it will give us a better idea about the actual problem
09:48 mtj            yep, i might write it up in a seperate bug, and link it to chris' bug
09:48 cait           cool
09:53 mtj            heres another random Q… should be plan to make the XSLT detail pages default, and remove non-xslt code from koha?
09:53 cait           hm
09:53 cait           not sure
09:54 cait           I always use xslt so I would be not opposed to make it default
09:54 cait           but I guessit's a bit slower for big systems maybe? not sure
09:54 mtj            the reason is, having to maintain 2 sets is a waste of our time
09:54 mtj            pick the best one, and remove the other?
09:55 cait           I think that's something for 3.12 and the mailing list
09:55 mtj            agreed, i was just curious what y'all thought...
09:56 eythian_       I pretty much always set installations to XSLT too
09:57 mtj            me too , but  i just  noticed that the star-ratings stuf doesnt show on xslt
09:57 eythian_       oh, doesn't it?
09:57 eythian_       interesting, I thought it was separate
09:58 * magnuse      would not miss the non-xslt display
09:58 cait           mtj: hm in my tests it did
09:58 cait           show on xslt
09:59 mtj            oops, me wrogn
10:00 mtj            thats a happy mistake i made :p
10:00 cait           I think keeping it around doesn't hurt anyone
10:00 cait           most extra features are outside of the xslt anyway, some are only available with xslt, it's like that already
10:03 mtj            i can see many good reasons for only having one, not two
10:03 eythian_       I did notice that master allows custom xslt to some degree
10:03 cait           eythian: true
10:03 eythian_       ideally there'd be a nice selector with language awareness etc.
10:04 eythian_       but it's a good start
10:04 cait           but custom xslt has a number of problems
10:04 cait           like any customization you can do
10:04 cait           one of the problems is that you have to provide a file for each language
10:05 cait           and maintain those
10:06 mtj            yow, i hadnt thought of the translating problems with xslt files :/
10:06 cait           mtj: only if you have your own files
10:06 cait           the standard files are translatable
10:07 cait           not sure I am making sense this morning :) and shouldn't you 2 go to bed sometime soon?
10:07 cait           so I can finally finish my distance study reading without koha distracting me? :)
10:07 mtj            yes and maybe
10:08 eythian_       yes, in fact I'm about to bike home now
10:09 cait           bike carefully
10:09 mtj            have a good one :)
12:30 jcamins        Good morning, #koha.
12:31 cait           good morning jcamins!
12:31 jcamins        Good morning.
12:32 drojf          hi jcamins. how is the situation & weather?
12:34 jcamins        drojf: it's gloomy out, but that's all, so far.
12:35 drojf          ok. may it stay that way. i hope you have duct taped everything ;)
12:35 jcamins        :)
12:39 jcamins        Jeez.
12:39 jcamins        I wouldn't want to be taking shelter at LGA.
12:39 jcamins        (officials said anyone stranded at LGA was welcome to wait out the storm)
12:40 jcamins        LGA is about four feet above the water.
12:41 oleonard       Hi #koha
12:41 tcohen         hi oleonard, good morning #koha!
12:43 cait           hi paul_p
12:44 paul_p         hi cait
12:44 * paul_p       at a meeting
12:45 cait           have fun ;)
12:53 jcamins        For those who are concerned, I live one block from the nearest evacuation center, and 3+ blocks from the nearest evacuation zone B.
12:53 oleonard       thanks jcamins, glad to hear it
12:54 oleonard       How's the weather?
12:54 jcamins        oleonard: gloomy.
12:55 jcamins        It's raining a bit, and windy, but so far it's still weather that I would drag myself out to work in.
12:56 oleonard       @wunder 45701
12:56 huginn         oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 3.3°C (8:50 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect from noon today to 5 PM EDT Tuesday... 
13:27 jwagner        @wunder 20740
13:27 huginn         jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 10.0°C (9:26 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.45 in 997 hPa (Falling).  Flood Watch in effect through Tuesday evening... 
14:15 oleonard       Hah, I go looking for info on why our Drupal spam-catching module isn't working, find a comment from slef on why CAPTCHAs are bad :)
14:15 * oleonard     wonders if slef uses Mollom too
14:53 nengard        @wunder 19030
14:53 huginn         nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 11.6°C (10:52 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.14 in 987 hPa (Steady).  Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 4 am EDT Tuesday... 
15:19 chris          @wunder 28334
15:19 huginn         chris: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 11.0°C (10:55 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.51 in 999 hPa (Falling).
15:21 jcamins        chris_n: how's the weather?
15:21 * chris_n      drives in another stake
15:21 chris_n        a bit windy
15:22 chris_n        rained some last evening, but not much in that way
15:22 chris_n        I think it is too far off the coast for us
15:23 jcamins        Well, good! May it stay that way.
15:46 bag            @wunder 93109
15:46 huginn         bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9°C (8:16 AM PDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
15:46 bag            @wunder 06516
15:46 huginn         bag: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is 15.4°C (11:45 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.22 in 990 hPa (Falling).  Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 3 PM EDT Tuesday... 
15:46 oleonard       @wunder 02540
15:46 huginn         oleonard: The current temperature in APRSWXNET E. Falmouth MA US, Falmouth, Massachusetts is 16.1°C (11:11 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992 hPa (Steady).  Coastal Flood Warning in effect until 1 PM EDT Tuesday... 
15:51 chris_n        @wunder obx
15:51 huginn         chris_n: Error: No such location could be found.
15:52 chris_n        @wunder 27960
15:52 huginn         chris_n: The current temperature in The Ocracoke Harbor Inn/Silver Lake, Ocracoke, North Carolina is 13.8°C (11:52 AM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.35 in 994 hPa (Falling).  Tropical Storm Warning in effect... 
16:23 tweetbot`      [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Search Groups in Koha 3.4 http://t.co/mzVdRjcU"
16:35 jcamins        Now it's a bit stormy.
16:41 rambutan       but you're doing OK?
16:41 jcamins        Yup.
16:43 oleonard       nengard around?
16:43 nengard        sort of
16:43 nengard        on a call :)
16:43 nengard        We too are hearing heavy rain and wind
16:43 nengard        but still have power
16:43 oleonard       Just wanted to point out that on tags administration you can now click the tag to see a list of titles tagged with that term. I don't see that in the docs.
16:47 rambutan       somehow I retain this idea that nengard is on the WC-Washington state or somewhere
16:57 oleonard       Why can't I batch modify patrons' address fields?
16:59 oleonard       It would be very useful for converting the city+state data in the city column (from before we had the state column)
17:00 magnuse        oleonard: because it would be too easy?
17:01 oleonard       Would it help if it required me to do sit-ups before submitting the form?
17:12 nengard        thanks oleonard
18:25 bag            @seen sekjal
18:25 huginn         bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 3 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days
18:29 rangi          Morning
18:29 wahanui        i guess Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:30 bag            morning rangi
18:30 tcohen         hi rangio
18:30 bag            Giants win the world series - I know you were on the edge of your seat waiting for that news ;)
18:31 rangi          Hehe
18:32 rangi          @wunder nzwn
18:32 huginn         rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
18:33 bag            rangi they introduced the coolest thing this year at the world series - super slow mo HD of the batters swing
18:33 bag            you could watch the bats break and all that - was SO SO cool
18:33 rangi          Oh yeah?
18:34 cait           morning rangi, hi bag
18:34 rangi          That does sound cool
18:34 jcamins        bag: are the Giants your local team?
18:35 bag            hey rangi did you know I love baseball ;)
18:35 bag            the local team here is the Dodgers
18:35 bag            dodgers fans hate the giants
18:36 * oleonard     consoles bag
18:36 rangi          Isn't there another california team too?
18:36 bag            I'm a Mets fan
18:37 rangi          Anaheim?
18:37 bag            three more rangio
18:37 rangi          Oakland
18:37 bag            Angles of Anahiem, Oakland, and San Diego
18:37 rangi          What's the other one?
18:37 wahanui        the other one is that the passwords would be created on each individual machine.
18:37 rangi          Ahh
18:37 rangi          Padres?
18:40 bag            yup
18:40 bag            Padres are in San Deigo
18:40 * cait         doesn't even try... it would only get embarassing :)
18:41 oleonard       Ugh, modborrowers.pl sets field labels in English in the script?
18:41 cait           oleonard: when do they appear?
18:42 oleonard       On the edit form
18:42 cait           hm you sure?
18:42 oleonard       batch patron modification
18:42 cait           oh batch
18:42 cait           I didn't test that yet :(
18:42 cait           but this sounds bad :(
18:42 * oleonard     didn't actually realize it was in master already until he spotted it in nengard's documentation patch
18:43 cait           shouldn't have passed qa... but now we are feature freeze and it will be messy
18:43 bag            rangi: it was a great world series if you're a national league fan - they won with great pitching and playing small ball (well all games except the first one)
18:43 jcamins        Batch patron modification?
18:44 jcamins        I didn't realize that had been pushed.
18:45 * rangi        either
18:45 rangi          Bag: which one has the DH?
18:45 jcamins        The Met published an entire book on armor for horses.
18:46 jcamins        And now it is available online.
18:46 rangi          Hmm kahu will like that
18:47 bag            rangi not the national league - so the detriot tigers
18:47 rangi          Ahh right
18:48 * oleonard     grumbles dramatically
18:49 jcamins        "300 years of eighteenth-century costume."
18:49 bag            oh yeah rangi - so I'm a Mets fan - do you know what that stands for?
18:49 jcamins        I love the modern obsession with centuries.
18:50 jcamins        200 years of helmets, to go with the book on armor for horses.
18:51 jcamins        Firearms, for those who want an advantage over someone wearing a helmet.
18:51 rangi          bag: hmmm nope
18:52 bag            well the real name is Mets - which stands for Metropolitans
18:52 bag            but all true fans say METS My Entire Team Sucks
18:52 rangi          ahh right
18:52 rangi          hehe
18:59 oleonard       Batch patron modification purports to allow you to batch delete categorycode and branchcode from patron records, but the db won't let it (which is good) leaving errors in the log
19:03 cait           oleonard: eew :(
19:03 rambutan       does this require a special cataloging field?
19:03 rambutan       https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/librarian-finds-hidden-gun-donated-book-article-1.1193683
19:03 rangi          heh
19:03 rangi          rambutan: im sure there are already 7 marc fields for that
19:03 rangi          just in case
19:04 cait           oleonard: speaking of batch stuff
19:05 cait           can you take a look at 8801 maybe? i am not so happy with the idea of killing a feature
19:05 cait           bug 8801
19:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Offer to batch delete items of a biblio record
19:05 cait           looking for more opinions
19:05 cait           especially because the new feature requires different permissions for a much mightier tool
19:08 oleonard       cait: I saw that you raised that issue on the bug report, and I think it's a good point
19:09 cait           I don't want to be the only one on this bug - so asking around :) happy if more people comment, even if they disagre
19:17 rangi          https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/282288_10151214160492708_1843373693_n.jpg
19:17 rangi          best halloween costume ever!
19:18 jcamins        Wow.
19:20 cait           heh
19:23 oleonard       Meanwhile that guy's wife has been on baby-duty for an unbroken month while he builds the costume ;)
19:24 oleonard       Or vice-versa!
19:24 rangi          hehe
19:25 bag            Oh Wow - I think the dragon would be great in a costume like that
19:26 rangi          ;)
19:26 cait           :)
19:26 bag            Shes dressing up like a ladybug this year and Sonja and I are going to be flowers
19:26 jcamins        Hm. Sounds like the server I connect to IRC through is going to be down a while.
19:26 cait           oleonard++ btw :)
19:27 Oak_           oleonard++
19:27 Oak_           cait++
19:27 cait           I didn't do anything!
19:27 Oak_           yes you did. and you know it.
19:27 Oak_           magnuse++
19:27 cait           bag: sounds cute :) photos? :)
19:27 Oak_           good night.
19:27 cait           bye Oak
19:27 cait           Oak++
19:27 bag            in two more days cait - will do :)
19:27 cait           muha.
19:31 oleonard       There must be a clever way to do batch patron modification on an arbitrary set of borrowers table columns...
19:35 rangi          hm?
19:35 oleonard       I'm frustrated by the limited number of fields available to be changed on patron batch modification
19:35 rangi          ah right
19:41 talljoy        i like that idea too
19:41 talljoy        just got a request for it, actually.
19:42 santy          HELLO everyone, could someone please explain to me what the marc (longblob) field in the biblioitems table is for?
19:42 talljoy        it holds the marc data.
19:42 talljoy        raw marc
19:42 wahanui        raw marc is well less than that
19:43 jcamins        wahanui: forget raw marc
19:43 wahanui        jcamins: I forgot raw marc
19:44 santy          is the binary marc field used to populate the add marc record form... or just only the marcxml field is used for that?
19:45 jcamins        santy: the two fields should always have identical data in them.
19:45 talljoy        ^yes
19:45 santy          why should both fields always have identical data in them... what happens if not?
19:45 jcamins        It depends what you're trying to do.
19:45 talljoy        the have identical data because they are the same thing
19:46 jcamins        The behavior is entirely undefined.
19:46 rangi          different representations of the same thing
19:46 cait           and you should not manipulate them
19:46 talljoy        they are probably used in different ways and places within koha
19:46 jcamins        ^^ exactly
19:47 * rangi        wonders what santy is trying to do
19:48 santy          ok, as I told you last time, jcamins, I'm currently in a project where some library needs to migrate their whole catalog into Koha.  As you know, their system is a custom one with no export functionality whatsoever... so I have to migrate programmatically... and it works... but I'm having encoding issues.
19:48 jcamins        By the time the data is in Koha, it is too late.
19:49 jcamins        Uh-oh.
19:49 jcamins        Power outages on their way.
19:49 santy          Every data gets migrated ok, but just special characters like á, é, ñ etc get screwed
19:49 jcamins        santy: that means it's not migrating non-ascii characters correctly.
19:49 rangi          santy: fix your leader, before you use bulkmarcimport.pl to import them
19:50 jcamins        If it's in Koha with the wrong encoding, the solution is to reimport.
19:50 * cait         uses a lot of duct tape to keep jcamins around
19:51 cait           santy: and if you use the stagd marc record scripts make sure the encoding is set to the right choice
19:52 santy          it's kind of weird... because when I look at the marcxml field just after the import inside the biblioitems table, these characters appear OK...
19:52 rambutan       jcamins: presumably the cat has sufficient rations for the week?
19:53 santy          but only when I load the record into the marc editin form in the staff page, the characters don't get loaded...
19:53 jcamins        rambutan: yeah.
19:53 jcamins        He's a bit traumatized, though.
19:53 jcamins        He's squished himself into a little ball in an arm chair, having worn himself out crying earlier.
19:53 rambutan       that bad, huh?
19:54 oleonard       jcamins: Too much CNN?
19:54 santy          I think I need to take a look a the subs which do concatenate the marcxml field, in which script are they?
19:54 jcamins        We presume he's responding to pressure changes.
19:54 cait           santy: we can't recommend that
19:54 cait           santy: it surely is in your data
19:55 rangi          99% its your leader
19:55 jcamins        Try rangi's leader suggestion. Based on your description, it's almost certainly leader.
19:55 cait           santy: we got german umlauts and hebrew in our databases, and it's working  ok
19:56 jcamins        rambutan: it's gusty, and raining pretty hard -- on and off -- but if I didn't know there was a hurricane, I would've said it was just a rain storm.
19:56 jcamins        Myshkin, on the other hand, says it's the end of the world.
19:57 santy          in the xml leader, I have tried UTF-8, Latin1, ISO-8859-1, CP1250, windows-1252, etc etc... and they DO have an effect, but while the characters appear ok inside mysql, they never appear ok in the form... (well, only if I correct them in the form, save and reload)
19:57 rangi          hmm what?
19:58 jcamins        santy: MARC leader.
19:58 rangi          you can only set the leader to be MARC8 or UTF8
19:59 rangi          http://www.loc.gov/marc/holdings/hdleader.html
20:00 santy          ok... should I paste the Marc leader i'm using here?
20:00 jcamins        http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bdleader.html I think.
20:00 rangi          oh yeah
20:00 rangi          that one :)
20:01 santy          oh my God, I think you just solved my problem!
20:03 rangi          yep good old gigo
20:04 * jcamins      fills a half dozen containers with water.
20:05 rangi          how long before they turn the power off jcamins ?
20:06 cait           :(
20:07 jcamins        rangi: I'm outside the floodplane, so they haven't announced plans to shut it off preemptively here at home, but they might shut off power in the floodplane within the next hour.
20:08 jcamins        Then again, they might not.
20:08 rangi          ahh right
20:14 santy          ok, thank you all, problem solved, the record length must be exactly 5 characters long in the leader... now the special letters appear all ok, this was a tricky one for me
20:18 oleonard       Bye #koha
20:18 rangi          cya oleonard
20:22 jcamins        This might be an issue.
20:22 jcamins        The wind has turned somewhat, and is blowing with gale force through our air conditioning units.
20:22 rangi          eek
20:25 jwagner        @wunder 20740
20:25 huginn         jwagner: The current temperature in Hollywood, College Park, Maryland is 9.3°C (4:25 PM EDT on October 29, 2012). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 28.95 in 980 hPa (Falling).  High Wind Warning in effect until 8 PM EDT Tuesday... 
20:27 rambutan       @wunder 08401
20:27 huginn         rambutan: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
20:27 rambutan       what?
20:28 rangi          i forgot DC was taht close to the coast
20:28 rambutan       08401 is Atlantic City. Suppose the hurricane done wiped them off the wx map?
20:28 jwagner        yep. The worst of the storm is hitting us now, according to the newspeeps.  I'm surprised I still have power....
20:29 rambutan       wx channel says Atlantic City area pressure is 940mb. That's pretty low.
20:29 rambutan       what city are you in jwagner?
20:29 jwagner        College Park, MD (DC suburb)
20:31 rambutan       University of Md? That's where I graduated from.
21:16 tcohen         hi jcamins, is there a roadmap for 3.12 on the wiki?
21:16 jcamins        tcohen: no.
21:17 tcohen         will it be released based on time then?
21:19 tcohen         i'm asking because we need to do some work on suspensions
21:19 jcamins        Yes.
21:19 jcamins        6mo schedule.
21:19 tcohen         and wanted to know if there's a chance we can at least push that subject on a RFC
21:19 jcamins        And it'll actually be 6 mo.
21:20 rangi          yay !
21:20 tcohen         so, that's the time frame we have
21:20 rangi          back to our regularly scheduled releases
21:21 tcohen         hi rangi
21:21 rangi          hi tcohen
21:22 tcohen         i think suspensions need to be acknowledged the way fines are
21:22 tcohen         have their own table, and be related to actual issues/items
21:22 rangi          yep
21:28 tcohen         what persistence lib are we using?
21:28 tcohen         DBIx::Class?
21:28 jcamins        tcohen: we're not.
21:28 jcamins        DBIx::Class is the direction we're going, though.
21:28 tcohen         libsysguy mentioned his work on that one I think
21:29 cait           tcohen: be careful - it's not really 6 months
21:29 cait           because of the freezes
21:30 cait           make sure you finish in time to get it tested and through qa
21:30 cait           the ealrier the better
21:31 eythian        hi
21:31 cjh            morning
21:31 jcamins        Right.
21:32 cait           hi eythian and cjh
21:34 tcohen         understood cait, thanks
21:34 tcohen         hi eythian
21:36 tcohen         does anyone know the scope of libsysguy's work on introducing DBIx::Class?
21:36 jcamins        @search dbix
21:36 huginn         jcamins: There were no matching configuration variables.
21:36 jcamins        @query dbix
21:36 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of updatedatabase.pl
21:37 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8309 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Koha namespace organisation, first implementation
21:37 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, marc, In Discussion , Koha uses MySQL
21:37 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
21:37 huginn         jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add Course Reserves
21:37 jcamins        Bug 8798
21:37 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
21:37 tcohen         thanks
21:38 tcohen         so, we have an RFC for 3.12 ;)
21:38 tcohen         I mean, an interesting roadmap
21:40 cait           tcohen: lots of interesting patches and ideas :) hope a lot of work done on them too :)
21:40 jcamins        Damn.
21:40 jcamins        First brownout.
21:40 cait           ?
21:41 cait           oh
21:41 eythian        power is totally off to a friend of mine around NY somewhere.
21:41 jcamins        cait: it's just a matter of time before the power goes out.
21:41 rangi          yep, natec, jessem and i think nengard have all lost power too
21:42 * cait         gets out more duct tape
21:42 eythian        he's still on IRC however, I'm not sure how.
21:42 jcamins        eythian: 3g?
21:43 eythian        probably
21:43 eythian        I'd be inclined to save battery, but maybe he has a lot to spare.
21:44 tcohen         guess http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
21:51 tcohen         is there any tradeoff on using DBIx::Class regarding things like Plack?
21:53 madcrow        Hello there Koha-philes
21:53 rangi          hi madcrow
21:54 jcamins        tcohen: it works better under Plack.
21:54 jcamins        Acceptably, to my mind, under CGI.
21:54 * jcamins      closes everything down.
21:54 jcamins        So long, #koha.
21:54 rangi          good luck jcamins
21:54 jcamins        I'll update druthb every so often.
21:54 rangi          cool
21:55 madcrow        I'm working on a project to get a local SF club's 15k volume library cataloged and I've got some questions
21:56 jcamins_away   Bye.
21:56 jcamins_away   If my nick signs off, it means that Brooklyn's under water.
21:56 jcamins_away   Or out of power.
21:57 jcamins_away   Bye.
21:57 cait           bye
21:57 cait           good luck!
21:57 madcrow        1st, is Koha overkill for a 15000 volume collection
21:58 tcohen         no it isn't madcrow
21:58 rangi          depends what you want to do, if you plan to use the features like circulation etc, and you have cataloguers who understand MARC data and other things
21:58 eythian        madcrow: no. We have people using it with significantly smaller collections
21:58 rangi          no
21:58 cait           is it a library with a librarian? do you circulate books between members?
21:58 rangi          but if yuo only want a searchable catalogue
21:58 rangi          then yes
21:58 cait           and what rangi said :)
21:59 madcrow        we do circulate and would like to get away from the whole "write the book in the checkout binder" which half our members seem to screw up
22:00 eythian        madcrow: then yes, if you know/don't mind learning MARC, Koha will most likely suit you.
22:02 cait           madcrow: but beare... no guarantees they won't screw up circulationg with koha too ;)
22:04 madcrow        the koha self-checkout screen looks simple enough that they can handle it
22:04 eythian        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/files/2012/10/original.gif <-- what's going on in the US
22:05 madcrow        here in boston, it's not that bad yet...
22:05 eythian        at least some parts of boston metro have no power.
22:05 madcrow        its been turned off on purpose
22:05 eythian        oh ah
22:05 eythian        that makes some sense I guess.
22:06 madcrow        they want people to stay home...
22:06 eythian        On the flip side, it's on of the best days here we've had in a while.
22:06 eythian        I guess we're just getting the other side of the average
22:07 ibeardslee     yeah sucky day to be inside today
22:07 madcrow        well new jersey's the place that's got it real bad
22:07 rangi          thats where nengard is
22:08 madcrow        yuck
22:08 madcrow        anyway, at least i've had some time to research koha
22:11 melia_         nengard says so far, so good. she says the storm has just come on land, but she is north of the eye and so far has just seen some wind and rain but nothing major.
22:11 rangi          cool
22:12 cait           hope it stays like that
22:12 madcrow        sounds good
22:13 madcrow        anyway, at the moment i'm also wondering if there's a good list of free z39.59 sources on the net
22:14 cait           irspy
22:15 rangi          irspy?
22:15 wahanui        irspy is a good source for identifying Z39.50 targets. See http://irspy.indexdata.com.
22:15 cait           ah thx rangi
22:15 madcrow        thanks
22:23 madcrow        of course the one library i really wanted to query seems to have disabled public z39.50 access...
22:23 cait           which one is it?
22:24 madcrow        the last 26 connection attempts from irspy for the uc riverside server are fails
22:24 madcrow        scotty.ucr.edu
22:25 cait           hm you could send them an email and ask maybe?
22:29 eythian        http://www.tor.com/stories/2011/08/wikihistory
22:32 cait           where do you always find links like that?
22:33 eythian        The internet
22:33 wahanui        the internet is not working here properly... I may disappear
22:35 cait           ah ok
22:35 madcrow        drat. it would appear that most UC libraries killed Z39.50 access when they moved to worldcat...
22:36 cait           sadly.. that probably makes sense :(
22:40 madcrow        it looks like free bibliographic data is going away
22:40 cait           I am not sure you can say that
22:41 cait           and it depends probably on what kind of data you are looking for
22:41 cait           a lot of data in germany has been released lately under cc0 even
22:42 madcrow        well, i'm thinking mainly of servers providing machine-readable data on demand
22:42 cait           there are some free servers too
22:43 cait           did you install koha with the example z39.50 servers?
22:45 madcrow        yes
22:46 madcrow        but those are only a start
22:47 madcrow        especially for works with many editions and printings, the built-in sources miss a lot
22:49 cait           maybe someone from US can give you some hints
22:49 madcrow        possibly
23:03 madcrow        anyway, i'm out
23:06 cait           night all