Time Nick Message 00:08 drojf shouldn't bug 8701 be set to failed QA or something? seems like a change is expected, not a sign off 00:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8701 normal, P5 - low, ---, sandbergja, Needs Signoff , Help for OpacHiddenItems pref should not point to text in install directory 00:09 rangi in discussion maybe 00:09 rangi id like to encourage her, first patch and all 00:10 drojf or that. don't want to discourage her, but needs sign off is slightly confusing :) 00:10 rangi yep 00:11 rangi in discussion is probably good 00:11 * rangi goes for lunch 00:34 * drojf goes to bed 03:31 Oak kia ora #koha 03:32 wajasu hiya 04:03 cjh mtj: thanks for the signoff 04:04 cjh jcamins_away: if you have some time I would like to hear your opinions re: my notes on http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3652#c36 04:04 huginn 04Bug 3652: critical, P1 - high, ---, chrish, Signed Off , XSS vulnerabilities 04:09 mtj heya chris 04:09 mtj well, goods news is that the jscript popup hack doesnt seem to work for me, on chrome or ff.16 04:10 mtj oops, it just did on ff.16 :/ 04:10 cjh ff 16 it should work before the patch, not after. 04:11 cjh chrome it never worked for me, chrome is too smart.. 04:12 mtj yep, thats right for me, yr patch fixes it on ff.16 04:12 cjh awesome :) 04:13 mtj d00d, thats a well crazy hack :p 04:13 cjh heh, sadly quotes were always escaped so I couldnt say anything interesting. 04:14 mtj choccy fish in the mail 04:16 cjh heh, maybe we should start a Koha choccy-fish-fund. 04:16 cjh heading home, have a good weekend/weekday everyone :) 04:16 mtj cool, have a good one 04:24 wajasu cjh: funny, i was just testing 3652 on 3.6.x branch. 04:26 cait have a nice weekend nz :) 04:31 mtj thanx cait 04:32 mtj ive been sick for 2 weeks, looking forward to a beer this weekend 04:32 wajasu rangi: 3652 is now signed off for 3.8.x (shall i continue against 3.6.x and master)? 04:32 cait mtj: glad you feel better 04:36 mtj wajasu, hmm i actually tested those against master 04:36 mtj so, i might flick the version to reflect that 04:39 wajasu but did cjh test against master is the question 04:40 wajasu for his 1st two patches 04:41 wajasu i had to reconcile his 1st patch for 3.6.x 04:42 mtj he prolly tested against 3.8 04:44 mtj a quick eyeball (and some testing) says the difference is zero between versions 04:44 wajasu between 3.8.x and master, right? 04:45 mtj yep 04:47 wajasu ok, i will just attach my reconciled patch for 3.6.x for the 1st patch, and apply/test against master, and comment at the bottom. 04:47 mtj hopefully we'll get the the XSS stuff sorted into 3.8/3.6 in the next few days 05:14 wajasu i'm not going to comment. it will only confuse folks. so i am bailing out on this for now. 06:26 rangi wajasu: yes he did 06:27 rangi everyone should always test and develop against master 06:27 rangi then it gets cherry picked back 06:27 rangi the rmmaints will ask for version specific patches if they are needed 06:27 rangi but signoffs should be against master 06:32 alex_a bonjour tout le monde 06:35 magnuse bonjour alex_a 06:44 reiveune hello 06:59 Maxie2012 Hi! I am very interested to install Koha (have already downloaded Ver 3.8.05), but am new to Koha and the Linux environment. I am also looking to host it on a Cloud platform - currently sourcing for a suitable vendor/site, and already have a trial site to install Koha. However, I have no idea how to start! Can anybody help me please?? 07:00 Maxie2012 I wasn't even able to Unpack the Koha package that I downloaded... 07:10 gaetan_B hello 07:21 francharb hello #koha 07:48 WaylonR Hey all. just thought.... MultiBranch "assigning multiple branches to a patron" is a seperate concept to MultiBranchSelect "Allow searching of multiple branches from advanced search (without categories)" yes? 07:49 Viktor Hi! 07:49 WaylonR hmm .maybe not seperate concept, but requiring of a different Syspref? 07:50 WaylonR its possible that some libraries who don't want to use the multibranchuser feature, want the multibranchselect feature? 07:50 Viktor Just popping in with a question: do we have two-step verification during login to staff that I don't know of? 07:51 WaylonR as far as i know Viktor .. just the user/pass/ip restriction system. 07:51 WaylonR or LDAP. 07:51 Viktor Thansk WaylonR Thinking about setting up a RFC for that but would be akward if I just missed whats there :) 07:52 Viktor I think it would be a good idea to make users login in from new IPs answer a security question, reply to an e-mail or something like that. 07:53 Viktor Especially if they try to log in from a new geographical area. Users often select not so good passwords :) 07:55 magnuse Viktor: it's possible to restrict access to the staff client to a set of IP adresses (but i have not checked it actually works) 07:56 magnuse other than that it's just plain username/password 07:56 rangi you can restrict at the firewall too, or in apache 07:56 magnuse Viktor: you are thinking of staff users, right? 07:56 Viktor Thanks rangi & magnuse 07:57 magnuse or patrons in the opac too? 07:58 Viktor I think it would be good for patrons too actually. It shows that the library takes their privacy seriously. But for opac it should be optional for the users - they move around much more than staff. 07:58 Viktor I know people love the idea of being able to log in from home, but many have dynamic IPs. 07:59 Viktor So: added security for staff users who arrive frow weird new IPs is my top priority. 08:00 Viktor While still keeping it accessible from the public net. 08:00 magnuse cool 08:00 magnuse some kind of temporary ip restriction, then 08:02 magnuse if the current ip restriction in koha works for the staff client, it shouldn't be too hard to add new ones and require email verification before they are usable, i think 08:02 Viktor Nice - magnuse 08:03 Viktor So we just add the possibility of lifting the restriction by doing something like email verification, security question and so on(?) I like that. 08:03 magnuse i think of it as temporarily adding a new ip to the allowed IPs, but yeah something like that 08:04 Viktor If we do get additional funding that might be something we want to have created in 2013. I´ll take notes in Pivotal and add it to the list. 08:04 magnuse yay 08:06 Viktor Thanks guys! I´ll have to up the blood sugar level now - time for coffebreak :) 08:07 kf oh 08:07 kf now I missed Viktor 08:07 magnuse he didn't log off, though 08:08 magnuse Viktor: have a look at http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/administration.html#AutoLocation for current ip restriction functionality 08:25 drojf good day #koha 08:26 magnuse kia ora drojf! 08:27 drojf hei magnuse :) 08:28 magnuse drojf++ for another signoff 08:29 drojf did i sleepwalk-signoff again? :) 08:29 drojf ah yes the alphabet. it's a cool patch! 08:30 drojf i'm all for making stuff work for crazy scripts and languages 08:31 drojf s/crazy/cool/ 08:31 magnuse crazy = cool :-) 08:32 WaylonR crazy == cool ? yes : no 08:35 drojf windows 8 is due in a few days. cool. may it bring us lots of new linux users :) 08:36 magnuse lol 08:38 WaylonR windows8-- 08:38 WaylonR windows8? 08:38 WaylonR karma? 08:38 WaylonR solr? 08:38 wahanui solr is fast, really fast, faster than me! And koha wiki has a page about it, found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Solr/Lucene_Documentation 08:38 WaylonR good... 08:39 WaylonR windows8 is due in a few days, may it bring us lots of new linux users. :) 08:39 WaylonR windows8? 08:39 wahanui windows8 is due in a few days, may it bring us lots of new linux users. :) 08:39 WaylonR wahanui, help 08:39 WaylonR karma for windows8? 08:39 wahanui windows8 has karma of -1 08:39 WaylonR guys.... this needs some karma swing here. 08:39 drojf i bet that is going to decrease a lot more 08:40 * WaylonR idly wonders. 08:40 WaylonR karma for WaylonR 08:40 wahanui waylonr has neutral karma 08:40 WaylonR karma for Waylon 08:40 wahanui waylon has karma of 1 08:40 WaylonR ah. 08:40 WaylonR karma for PTFS 08:40 wahanui ptfs has karma of -7 08:40 WaylonR karma for liblime 08:40 wahanui liblime has karma of -5 08:40 WaylonR hmmm... 08:40 WaylonR karma for siridynix 08:40 wahanui siridynix has neutral karma 08:41 WaylonR ... im spelling it wrong/ 08:41 magnuse karme for sirsidynix 08:41 WaylonR ahh 08:41 magnuse karma for sirsidynix 08:41 wahanui sirsidynix has neutral karma 08:41 WaylonR huh. 08:42 magnuse Viktor: have a look at http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/administration.html#AutoLocation for current ip restriction functionality 08:43 Viktor Thanks magnuse 08:44 Viktor (Lost the connection while I was away so I can't see if there was other stuff said) 08:46 WaylonR didn't miss much. only us askign the bot about windows8. 08:46 WaylonR windows8? 08:46 wahanui i think windows8 is due in a few days, may it bring us lots of new linux users. :) 08:48 Viktor I like that MS have dared to move away from the traditional interface, but I really hope people won't try to use touchscreens on desktop. 08:48 drojf is it too much self-praise to nominate koha for the free software award for projects of social benefit? 08:48 WaylonR karma for koha? 08:48 wahanui koha has karma of -44 08:48 WaylonR karma for koha-community? 08:48 wahanui koha-community has neutral karma 08:48 kf hm it depends on who does it maybe? I am not sure how that works 08:49 WaylonR karma for community-koha? 08:49 wahanui community-koha has neutral karma 08:49 rangi @karma koha 08:49 huginn rangi: Karma for "koha" has been increased 33 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 30. 08:49 WaylonR ah.. two karma dbs. 08:50 WaylonR drojf, think it would be fine, honestly. as long as theres no rule about it. 08:50 drojf https://www.fsf.org/news/the-free-software-foundation-opens-nominations-for-the-15th-annual-free-software-awards 08:52 mtj WaylonR, only huginn runs the karma plugin, wahanui is just chatting to you... 08:52 magnuse logs? 08:52 wahanui i heard logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 08:52 magnuse that was for Viktor :-) 08:53 drojf that are some big names that got that award before :) maybe we are not as important to mankind as tor or cc 08:53 magnuse and Viktor, getting a good irc client like xchat or something will save you some frustrations in the long run :-) 08:54 magnuse drojf: libraries are important, and we help libraries :-) 08:55 Viktor magnuse - Yep :) But I'm currently on my work computer that is lock-down galore. 08:55 magnuse woohoo! 08:56 drojf magnuse: that was my thought. koha enables people and institutions to use professional library automation that would not have had that opportunity without (this piece of) free software 08:56 mtj oops, wahanui is running a karma plugin too?! 08:56 WaylonR drojf, id suggest finding a library that would nom us. 08:56 magnuse drojf: yup! and we can find lots and lots of places where koha is bringing state of the art library tech to places that could not afford it with proprietary systems 08:57 magnuse karma for koha? 08:57 wahanui koha has karma of -44 08:57 magnuse karma for koha? 08:57 wahanui koha has karma of -44 08:57 magnuse at least it's consistent 09:00 kf WaylonR: well, drojf is a library :P 09:01 WaylonR well. there you go then. 09:01 drojf oh, that's right lol 09:01 WaylonR drojf, nom community-koha 09:01 WaylonR [off] not that diluted liblime koha 09:06 Maxie2012 Hi! Was wondering if anybody can help me? I'm new to Koha and Linux but would like to install Koha onto a cloud based server and really need help on how to start...I posted this earlier but my connection dropped, so I'm not sure if anyone sent me a response....sorry:( 09:09 Maxie2012 I have downloaded the Ver 3.8.05 package, but have not been able to unpack it as I'm not on Linux, but on a Windows 7 environment. I am assuming I need to be in Linux to unpack? 09:10 drojf Maxie2012: is windows running on your server? 09:11 Maxie2012 Yes....well, technically speaking I downloaded it to my desktop PC... 09:12 Maxie2012 I am in the process of engaging someone to host a server for me to install Koha on 09:12 drojf Maxie2012: so you do not have a server yet? 09:13 kf Maxie2012: you can only install koha under windows. You could unapck it with the right tool, but it would not work 09:13 kf so if you only wanted to take a look at the files and install text files that is ok in windows, but for installing you need a linux environment of some kind 09:13 gerundio drojf, hi, back today and working to submit the patch 09:13 drojf Maxie2012: you would want your server to run debian gnu/linux. debian squeeze to be precise. you would log into your server via ssh and do the installation there. you cannot use koha on windows at all 09:13 drojf gerundio: cool! thanks for your work 09:14 magnuse kf did probably not mean to say "you can only install koha under windows"... 09:14 gerundio all I have to do is follow those instructions in the page you sent me yesterday, right? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration 09:14 kf oups 09:14 kf yep typo 09:14 kf sorry 09:14 kf only under linux!! 09:14 magnuse :-) 09:15 gerundio I'm under linux :) 09:15 drojf gerundio: yes 09:17 gerundio but 1st off I need to checkout a git clone, right? 09:18 Maxie2012 No, I do not have the server yet. I have been trying to go through whatever documentation available on the web, including koha-community.org, so as to understand the hardware/software requirements. 09:18 drojf gerundio: oh i thought you would have been working with git already. one sec 09:18 gerundio not really, I was trying out with a test installation :) 09:19 gerundio http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Dev_Env_Setup 09:19 gerundio this is it, right? 09:19 drojf gerundio: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 09:19 mtj Maxie2012, i use linode.com for Koha hosting , they are great 09:19 Maxie2012 I am currently trying to engage someone to host a Linux server for me and I have even specified that I want Debian. 09:20 cjh linode are fantastic. 09:20 drojf Maxie2012: that is good. then you would either have to wait until you have it, or try koha in a virtual machine running debian on top of your windows system before you have the server ready 09:21 Maxie2012 Where is linode.com based? Would they have an issue supporting me way out here in Singapore? 09:22 cjh Maxie2012: they have various sites http://www.linode.com/speedtest/ 09:23 cjh they will give you a linux server you can ssh to (connect remotely), from this you can install Koha yourself. 09:25 mtj i have one in tokyo, works perfect 09:26 Maxie2012 Ok...on top of Debian, I read that I need to download all the other software as well i.e. Apache, MySql, Perl etc? 09:27 cjh Maxie2012: yes, once you have a server you may have to install those. The debian package manager (apt-get) makes this easy though. 09:27 mtj if you use the debian package for Koha, it does all that for you 09:27 mtj # apt-get install koha-common 09:27 mtj finished.... 09:28 mtj :) 09:28 drojf packages? 09:28 wahanui i guess packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 09:28 cjh http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 09:30 magnuse hm, i'm trying to activate the ccsr theme on master, based on instructions here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597#c60 but i get a lot of 404s for css and js files - anyone got any tips? head.bibkat.no 09:30 huginn 04Bug 8597: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view 09:30 mtj hey, this looks snazzy -> http://search.cpan.org/~book/Git-Repository-1.27/lib/Git/Repository/Tutorial.pod 09:31 cjh oh wow. 09:31 mtj a perl module to manip a git repo 09:32 Maxie2012 sorry...I downloaded the koha-3.08.05.tar from the http://koha-community.org/support/...is that the same as the debian package you are referring to? 09:32 drojf magnuse: from the comments one patch was missing at some point 09:33 mtj hmm, Maxie2012 what are you trying to do here? 09:33 magnuse drojf: i'm on uptodate master 09:33 mtj Maxie2012, are you attempting to install Koha on your windows pc? coz that wont work 09:34 magnuse Maxie2012: no, tar files and packages are different things 09:34 magnuse Maxie2012: see the wiki pages that were pointed out earliuer for info about the debian packages 09:35 Maxie2012 No...as I said, I'm trying to engage someone to host a Linux server for me to install Koha on 09:35 drojf magnuse: weird, it says it was pushed. but the error sounds exactly like the one for the missing patch 09:36 cjh Maxie2012: the .tar file and the debian package both contain the same version of koha, the package is just better suited to installing on debian. If you want to look through it then the .tar is fine. 09:36 cjh Maxie2012: once you have a host (running debian) you can follow http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze 09:39 Maxie2012 ok, great! Will definitely take your advice on the package! 09:40 Maxie2012 One LAST question....does Linode.com charge a lot for their hosting services? 09:41 cjh Maxie2012: http://www.linode.com/ scroll down to "Plans and availability" there start at 20USD/month. 09:41 magnuse Maxie2012: the prices are on their front page: https://www.linode.com/ :-) 09:42 cjh s/there/they/* 09:42 magnuse for just testing koha the cheapest one should be fine 09:42 drojf are you all using linode? 09:43 * magnuse is 09:43 * cjh is, but not for Koha 09:44 magnuse ah problem probably solved, i was trying to view the opac as nb-NO, guess i have to install translations 09:44 cjh magnuse: awesome! 09:44 drojf ah. i tried the theme once, but not with translation 09:46 drojf magnuse: i remember reading your first post a while ago about the young nerdy librarian wanting to offer koha on amazon. so you ditched that for linode eventually? 09:47 magnuse drojf: yup 09:47 drojf cool" 09:47 drojf cool! 09:47 drojf every step away from amazon is a step in the right direction :P 09:47 cjh heh 09:48 magnuse drojf: aws is probably awesome when you need more servers, failovers etc. but the way i parsed it, it's not ideal when all you want is a single server 09:49 cjh I dont like how they do their pricing either. 09:49 drojf magnuse: to be honest did not even understand half the stuff i read about aws. "what if i just want a server" was exactly what i was thinking when i had a look at what they offer 09:50 cjh for a small website aws just feels like it would be one web crawler away from backruptcy 09:50 drojf lol 09:51 magnuse drojf: well, you can do it, but you have to think about a lot of bits and pieces, ebs for persitent disk space, s3 for backup etc etc - i have not follewed that closely fr a couple years now 09:51 drojf also, *cough*evil corporation*cough* 09:52 drojf i would prefer to invest my thinking into other stuff 09:53 Maxie2012 Wow! Thanks all for the info....really helped a lot :) 09:53 drojf \o/ 09:53 drojf too late 09:53 drojf but still 09:53 cjh nawww 09:53 cjh o/*\o 09:53 drojf :) 09:53 magnuse hehe 10:01 magnuse ah, not quite that simple - had to run "perl translate create nb-NO; perl translate install nb-NO" as decribed here: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8633#c6 but now the new theme works for nb-NO too. and there is more translation work to do, it seems... 10:01 huginn 04Bug 8633: normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translate script hardcoded to prog template 10:03 modabber hi 10:03 wahanui salut, modabber 10:04 modabber i am facing problem in setting permission for kohauser in debian 10:14 vkm please help i have created folder and given link from opacheader but it does not work the link is http://172.23.14.200/opac-tmpl/prog/www/docs/book_indent.doc 10:15 vkm 172.23.14.200/opac-tmpl/prog/www/docs/book_indent.doc 10:16 vkm www folder created in prog folder where images, en folders are there 10:20 mtj vkm, what are you trying to do? 10:20 mtj and, that url does not work for me 10:21 vkm i have created one link from opac to my save file which can be open by the users 10:24 vkm the file is saved in the koha server itself 10:24 vkm it is on LAN 10:26 mtj does this link work for you ? 10:26 mtj in a browser? 10:27 mtj hav you checked the permissions of the dir/file, etc? 10:27 vkm where 10:27 mtj have you looked in the apache log to see why its failing? 10:28 modabber it is on lan 10:28 vkm image which i have saved in image folder is working fine 10:29 mtj hmm, i dont know then… sorry :/ 10:30 vkm but when given link to a created new folder it does not works 10:31 vkm i think if simply saved the file without creating folder it may work 10:32 vkm saved in default folders 10:35 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 10:35 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 16.0°C (12:13 PM CEST on October 19, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). 10:36 slef livecd? 10:36 wahanui livecd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD 10:37 slef wahanui: thanks 10:37 wahanui my pleasure slef 10:37 modabber sorry 10:38 modabber i am uing koha, installed in debian 10:38 slef modabber: don't be sorry. I was talking to wahanui 10:38 modabber i am manually giving indext command from the root user 10:38 modabber only then it works 10:39 modabber but cron job is not working as kohasau which is the kohauser 10:45 magnuse @arewethereyet 10:45 huginn magnuse: YES! 10:45 magnuse guess it depends on your definition of "there", huginn 10:46 magnuse the dashboard says "2012-10-22 - Release date for 3.10.0" - that should be 2012-11-22, right? 10:46 mtj yep :) 10:46 magnuse ta 10:47 mtj oops, i think it is 2012-10-22 10:47 mtj ie: 3 days time 10:47 magnuse gah, better start translating or something then :-) 10:48 magnuse mtj: you're kidding, right? 10:49 mtj aah, delayed 1 month -> http://koha-community.org/koha-newsletter-volume-3-issue-8-august-2012/#310 10:49 mtj so 2012-11-22…. not 2012-10-22 10:51 magnuse phew 11:12 WaylonR moby++ 11:12 WaylonR sorry, completely unrelated.. but omg.. coding to moby... 11:46 gerundio drojf, I was looking at http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7973 11:46 huginn 04Bug 7973: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication 11:46 gerundio the reported bug which I've worked to come up with a new patch 11:47 gerundio can I simply just submit a new attachment there for revision? 11:57 magnuse anyone else tried the ccsr theme with translations? 11:58 kf magnuse: there was a patch 11:58 kf to fix the translation scripts 11:58 kf becasue they won't take them into account right now I think - not sur eif it has been pushed 11:58 kf magnuse: some things will probably not work, some things are in the css I think :( 11:59 magnuse yeah, but i'm getting this nastiness: Could not create file parser context for file "/home/magnus/kohahead/koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/ccsr/nb-NO/xslt/NORMARCslim2OPACResults.xsl": No such file or directory at /home/magnus/kohahead/C4/XSLT.pm line 218 11:59 magnuse it works for english, but not when i switch to norwegian 11:59 magnuse i get that error when i try to search 12:14 kf magnuse: ah, I think you figured it out - missing part in the translation script probably? 12:15 magnuse kf: probably, but i don't really have the time to investigate further now 12:16 jcamins_away magnuse: are you sure you're on latest master? 12:16 magnuse jcamins_away: yup 12:16 jcamins_away Hm. 12:16 jcamins_away The last theming patch, the one that Paul pushed a week after the others, was to deal with that problem. 12:18 magnuse jcamins_away: this one? commit 6a4cbbba6095791926d925cb14bd286dea16c835 Bug 8633 Manage OPAC alternate templates 12:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8633 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translate script hardcoded to prog template 12:18 jcamins_away No. 12:19 jcamins_away Something about XSLT fallbacks. 12:19 jcamins_away ccsr doesn't have XSLTs. 12:19 jcamins_away (by design) 12:19 jcamins_away I'll give it a quick poke. 12:19 magnuse yay 12:20 magnuse this? commit 33113e69c0eb2faccceb917ce19e26225259df8d Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback 12:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken 12:21 jcamins_away That's the one. 12:22 magnuse it shows up in git log... 12:24 jcamins_away I'm installing nb-NO now. 12:24 magnuse woohoo! ;-) 12:24 oleonard Hi #koha 12:25 magnuse kia ora oleonard 12:27 jcamins_away I confirm the bug. 12:28 magnuse yay, sort of... 12:28 jcamins_away Fixed it. 12:29 jcamins_away Some of the fallback logic was backwards. 12:29 magnuse jcamins++ 12:30 tcohen morning #koha 12:31 magnuse jcamins_away: if you do a patch i'll sign off real quick :-) 12:31 jcamins_away I'm preparing the patch now. 12:31 jcamins_away And eating pear bread. 12:31 jcamins_away (which is delicious) 12:31 magnuse bread with pear in it, or shaped like a pear? 12:31 jcamins_away Bread with pear in it. 12:31 magnuse ah 12:37 jcamins_away Patch attached. 12:39 * magnuse will test 12:40 drojf @later tell gerundio yes, i would attach the patch to that bug. make sure to obsolete the other patch (remove the # when attaching your patch) if yours is completely rewritten and not just a followup based on the other 12:40 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 12:49 * jcamins_away heads into the city. 12:58 magnuse jcamins_away: signed off - thanks for a quick response! 13:07 drojf is michael stephens some kind of library vip? "librarian, blogger" does not sound too amazing by itself. i'm starting to get annoyed by a lot of anouncements for a "tour" he seems to be doing in germany 13:09 oleonard Never heard of him. 13:17 drojf seems like nengard knows him 13:17 nengard yes I do 13:18 magnuse [off] http://tametheweb.com/about-michael-stephens/ 13:18 nengard and yes he is (in my opinion) 13:18 drojf magnuse: that's where i got that information ;) searching there for koha 13:24 drojf lousy unstable internet connection 13:25 WaylonR same 13:25 WaylonR wasn't just you 13:25 drojf lousy global internet connection 13:36 gerundio drojf, did you read my question before? almost 2 hours ago... 13:36 drojf gerundio: yes, you should have received a message now :) 13:37 gerundio so how about it, could I just submit a new attachment for that bug? 13:38 drojf gerundio: yes, i would attach the patch to that bug. make sure to obsolete the other patch (remove the # when attaching your patch) if yours is completely rewritten and not just a followup based on the other 13:38 drojf (you should have gotten the same message as a pm from huginn by now) 13:38 gerundio its a complete rewrite :) 13:38 gerundio I did 13:38 gerundio thanks 13:38 drojf then check for the "Obsolte patch xxx" line when attaching the patch 13:38 drojf obsolete even 13:39 drojf and uncomment it 13:39 gerundio my IRC connection drops when I'm away from the PC for 30+ minutes 13:39 drojf are you in mibbit? 13:39 gerundio so I didn't receive it the 1st time 13:39 drojf i think the webchat kicks you after some time 13:40 gerundio not really, Xchat, a regular IRC client for Windows 13:40 drojf oh. then that's weird 13:40 gerundio just my energy saving settings I guess :D 13:40 drojf ah :) 13:40 gerundio the PC goes to sleep when I'm afk 13:41 user220 the ping timeout irks me. I've prettly clearly nailed it down to my computer being unable to ping the oftc server after a certain period of time 13:42 user220 I suspect it's a power setting (vs screensaver), but I can't find any setting for it. 13:42 user220 It happens with different clients, both xchat and konversation 13:43 gerundio btw, the submited file should be a regular diff? 13:44 oleonard Patches attached to bugs should be generated by git 13:45 drojf gerundio: if you have set up git and git bz correctly it does all the magic for you when you 'git bz attach -e <bugnumber> HEAD'. i just attaches a diff for your changes 13:45 drojf also what oleonard says, if you attach a patch manually we will have problems testing it 13:46 oleonard Well, attaching the patch manually to the bug is fine as long as it is in the right format 13:46 oleonard Meaning you don't have to use git-bz if you don't want to, it just makes it easier 13:47 drojf ok, my only encounters with manually attached patches were those with problems :) 13:47 oleonard I'm assuming your problems were with the patches themselves rather than the way they were attached in Bugzilla 13:48 drojf nope, i'm talking about comments on the bugtracker asking developers to resubmit patches in the correct format 13:49 drojf i would not know about hundreds of manually attached patches that worked well of course :) 13:49 oleonard No one says "Please use git-bz to attach your patch rather than manually uploading a patch which you generated via git format-patch" 13:49 oleonard ...because how did we do it before git-bz? :) 13:51 drojf we carved it in stone? :) 13:52 drojf back in the days we even cave painted patches 13:54 drojf says drojf, having his first patch pushed somewhen around july 2012 :D 13:58 gerundio drojf, tried using git bz but I guess I don't have it correctly set 13:58 drojf what's happening? 13:59 drojf (or not happening?) 13:59 gerundio I'll just submit the patch file which I got with git diff and add the necessary comments 14:00 drojf i think you should do git format-patch as oleonard suggested 14:00 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "this is what I got when I ran git gz" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/241 14:01 drojf that may be just the error when you need too long to save your file. wait 14:01 drojf yes 14:01 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_bz_configuration#git_bz_attach_-e_timeout 14:01 drojf you have to save the file faster, that's all 14:04 gerundio lolol, ok I'll try 14:04 drojf gerundio: it's a very common error, you only have like 5 seconds 14:05 drojf you can just try the git attach part again 14:05 oleonard It's very high-pressure hacking, like a scene from Swordfish 14:05 gerundio I just re-submitted 14:05 gerundio it worked 14:06 gerundio I'll just add a more complete comment in bug tracker directly 14:06 drojf you should also switch the status to "needs signoff2 when you do that 14:06 drojf without the 2 14:06 gerundio hmmm 14:06 gerundio it didn't work out quite as expected 14:07 gerundio the file submited is not even the correct one :( 14:07 oleonard Are you in the wrong branch gerundio? 14:07 drojf did you commit your changes in git? 14:08 oleonard nengard++ # for documentation patches 14:08 gerundio I just used "git clone git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git" 14:08 nengard :) thanks oleonard 14:08 nengard still not done with the 3.10 manual, but getting as much of it in to the help files as I can 14:08 gerundio is it possible to remove that patch? 14:08 gerundio it has nothing to do with the changes I've made 14:09 drojf yes, you can obsolete the patch manually 14:09 drojf click on "details" for your attachment 14:10 drojf and on "edit details" 14:10 drojf there is a "obsolete" checkbox 14:10 drojf s/a/an/ 14:10 gerundio done :D 14:11 drojf no worries, git is a little confusing in the beginning. you will get used to it :) 14:12 drojf so you just cloned? 14:12 drojf you should open a new branch for your bug. i use the bug number for that. something like "git checkout -b bug_7379 origin/master" 14:13 drojf then you get a branch to play with. do your changes there. when you are done, commit your changed files wit "git commit -a" for all or "git commit <filename>" for each file 14:15 gerundio drojf, I'm still a SVN guy 14:15 drojf gerundio: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git#Do_some_work might help. it also describes how your commit message is supposed to look 14:17 gerundio ok 14:17 gerundio 2nd try then :) 14:19 drojf good luck :) 14:20 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails The mobile theme is coming! http://t.co/uV7JYnPm" 14:20 oleonard Oh no, hide your children! 14:26 drojf nengard: i know i'm annoying, but is there a reason why the bywater twitter links all hop through a multitude of urls before they reach bywatersolutions.com? 14:26 drojf [off] http://paste.koha-community.org/242 14:27 drojf i would click your links with a lot more passion if i would not have to say "hello google" several times per click ;) 14:27 nengard Hmmm ? they shouldn't do that anymore 14:27 nengard I thought I turned off the feedburner redirecting 14:27 nengard it's because of the services we're using to post to twitter automatically 14:27 nengard I'll need to look in to it later though cause today is help file day :) 14:27 drojf thanks :) 14:33 kf hm 14:33 kf best installation manual for settng up the cronjobs? 14:33 kf zebra? 14:33 wahanui zebra is, like, a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses 14:34 kf :) 14:35 kf I should phrase a proper question I guess :) where are currently sending people installing koha that have to set up the cronjob for reindexing? 14:35 * kf checks the wiki 14:35 drojf to install the packages so they do it for them? :P 14:35 kf ah 14:36 kf I am looking for this centos installation... 14:36 drojf centosß you know strange people :D 14:36 kf lol 14:36 kf yeah 14:36 drojf s/ß/?/ 14:36 kf this seems not up to date: 14:36 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_Documentation 14:39 kf hm 14:39 kf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_git#Setup_Zebra 14:40 drojf http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Centos_6.2_i386#Set_up_cron_jobs 14:45 kf not very helpful :) 14:45 kf or different 14:48 kf i will sent the mail to you in cc 14:58 rambutan cuba. Interesting 15:01 oleonard rambutan: ? 15:04 reiveune bye 15:13 * wizzyrea waves 15:14 rambutan oleonard: post to koha-dev 15:15 oleonard Hi wizzyrea 15:15 drojf hey wizzyrea 15:15 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans 15:15 drojf lol 15:16 gerundio drojf, just followed all the instructions you gave me before 15:17 pastebot "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Bug 7379 attachment" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/243 15:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , copynumber is displayed 'as is' when linked to autorised values 15:17 drojf gerundio: cool, did something explode? 15:17 gerundio not really, everything seems to go smooth this time 15:17 gerundio check that paste 15:18 gerundio it's the output of the git bz attach command 15:18 drojf err, wrong bug number :) 15:18 gerundio but still, the attachment didn't show up in the bugtracker :D 15:18 drojf it did 15:18 drojf at some other bug 15:18 gerundio arghhhhhhh 15:18 kf oh 15:19 kf I just wrote a comment 15:19 drojf heh. happens 15:19 * kf hands gerundio a chocolate chip cookie 15:19 kf we have all been there already 15:19 kf (variious times...) 15:19 wizzyrea oh yes, so many times. 15:20 jcamins wizzyrea: have you packed your supply of the horrifying dairy substitute that is our national "cheese"? 15:20 gerundio fixed 15:20 wizzyrea i'm realizing there are lots of things "american" that I don't eat. 15:20 wizzyrea so, no. 15:20 gerundio kf, I bet you did... :) 15:20 kf gerundio: you can mark it obsolete - so noone will stumble upon it :) 15:21 gerundio just did that on the other bug 15:21 jcamins wizzyrea: but horrifying dairy substitute is excellent! 15:21 gerundio and added a comment 15:21 rambutan something wrong with velveta? 15:21 kf cool 15:21 wizzyrea um... 15:21 wizzyrea it's not cheese? 15:21 jcamins It's... just like cheese, except without any of its advantages and with all its disadvantages. 15:21 oleonard wizzyrea: conversely, it's remarkably difficult to think of an American food one would want to bring as a gift to another country 15:21 gerundio http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7379 ... is that ok kf? 15:21 huginn 04Bug 7379: normal, P3, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , copynumber is displayed 'as is' when linked to autorised values 15:22 drojf looks fine to me 15:22 wizzyrea oleonard: yes! 15:22 gerundio ok, so now the patch looks fine and I hope it gets approved 15:22 wizzyrea oleonard: only beer, and they are a bit titchy about that kind of stuff (especially in kansas with our completely bizarre liquor laws( 15:23 jcamins oleonard: I generally go with fudge. 15:23 oleonard jcamins: especially since you make it yourself 15:23 jcamins wizzyrea: Kansas has bizarre liquor laws? 15:23 rambutan sure it is. if it isn't, blame the Swiss. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velveeta 15:23 wizzyrea i'm not sure you could get that through customs 15:23 jcamins oleonard: well, yeah. Sometimes I make brownies, though. 15:24 kf gerundio: looks good 15:24 drojf gerundio: have you attached it to the correct bug number? 15:24 * wizzyrea doesn't consider it cheese. It has more than 5 ingredients. :P 15:24 drojf ah its UTC. i was confused about the time 15:24 wizzyrea cheese should have milk, salt, acid, maybe color. 15:24 rambutan highly nutritious. American Medical Association seal of approval. 15:24 drojf gerundio: one last thing 15:24 gerundio tell me about it 15:24 kf wizzyrea: I heard peanut butter was a good gift 15:24 wizzyrea :) 15:24 drojf gerundio: you did not use the -e option so you have to manually obsolete the old patch 15:24 wizzyrea yea, it is 15:25 gerundio ok ok 15:25 kf :) 15:25 gerundio on my way to do it now :) 15:25 gerundio done 15:26 drojf gerundio++ 15:26 drojf now we have to find somebody with an ldap setup to test that :/ 15:27 jcamins wizzyrea: what about Murcia al Vino? 15:27 wizzyrea ok wine is also an acceptable ingredient ;) 15:27 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 15:28 wizzyrea wine? 15:28 wahanui wine is an acceptable ingredient ;) 15:28 wizzyrea LOL! 15:28 wizzyrea perfect. 15:28 oleonard No matter what the question. 15:28 wizzyrea ^^ 15:28 wizzyrea What do I do if koha won't install? 15:28 drojf gerundio: sorry, another lastest last thing :D set the bug status to "needs signoff" so people find it :) 15:28 wizzyrea wine 15:28 wizzyrea wine? 15:28 wahanui wine is not usually the best for programming :) 15:28 wizzyrea LOL! 15:28 oleonard What does this module need. wine? 15:28 oleonard wine? 15:28 wahanui it has been said that wine is not usually the best for programming :) 15:30 jcamins wine? 15:30 wahanui i think wine is an acceptable ingredient ;) 15:30 oleonard whine? 15:31 gerundio drojf, done... one even latest last thing :p should we raise the importance level for that a little bit? 15:32 drojf gerundio: it's an enhancement, AFAIK they have always that level because bugfixes are more important 15:33 sekjal https://xkcd.com/323/ 15:33 jcamins "Priority" is not currently used. 15:33 jcamins sekjal: hehe. 15:37 jcamins sekjal: are you working on a project that requires Balmer Peak levels of efficiency? 15:37 jcamins *Ballmer 15:37 sekjal jcamins: not right now 15:38 sekjal writing up my annual performance review at the moment 15:38 rambutan https://xkcd.com/323/ <- Win ME was the only operating system I could never get to shutdown properly on my Packard Bell. I always had to turn off the power supply. Strangly never trashed the filesystem, however. 15:39 jcamins sekjal: are you arguing that they should be providing you with an artisan beer stipend? :) 15:39 oleonard any project worth doing is worth doing at peak efficiency 15:40 oleonard Confound this decade, there's liquor cabinet in my office! 15:40 sekjal jcamins: I knew there was something else I should have put on that grant application! 15:40 jcamins "I did a kickass job this past year, but given a carefully calculated amount of artisan beer every day, I could do an even better job next year!" 15:40 oleonard /no/ liquor cabinet that is 15:40 jcamins oleonard: I was going to say, sounds like you the 2010s in Ohio are a lot more exciting than in New York. :P 15:41 WaylonR okay , night all 15:41 WaylonR going to bed. 15:41 drojf seems like the best thing german pirate party has done for their poll results lately is… having the house of their vice chairman raided by police to find some marihuana and cannabis plants. 15:42 jcamins oleonard: actually, I have a liquor cabinet in the room adjoining my office. 15:42 oleonard The benefits of working from home? 15:43 jcamins Indeed. 15:44 jcamins Of course, one of the disadvantages is that said liquor cabinet doesn't get automatically stocked. 15:53 oleonard [off] Ugh, how did I know that Mr. 3.06 would reply directly to me :( 15:53 jcamins [off] Respond on list "I cannot answer messages sent directly to me. Please address the list." 15:54 drojf [off] lately, whenever somebody stops replying i imagine him/her directly messaging oleonard. apparently it's true 15:55 gerundio drojf, while changing the Auth_with_ldap.pm source code I found the comments regarding what still need to be done 15:55 sekjal this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days 15:56 jcamins I actually don't listen to music while working. 15:56 gerundio from lines 43 to 48 15:56 jcamins I turn on cheesy sci fi TV shows for background noise while cooking, though. 15:56 drojf gerundio: and you are volunteering? :) 15:56 gerundio I think I've accomplished all those goals except for the last one 15:56 drojf jcamins: you cook while working? 15:57 gerundio kind of :) 15:57 * oleonard knows jcamins is talking about Cleopatra 2525 15:57 drojf gerundio: that's fantastic! 15:57 gerundio I just need some directions where to perform that memberadd call 15:58 jcamins drojf: mostly in between working, when I'm wrestling with a problem. 15:58 jcamins oleonard: actually, I just started the original Star Trek. 15:58 drojf jcamins: like others go for a walk? 15:58 jcamins It was so absurd I had to stop after two episodes because it kept on distracting me from wrapping spanakopita. 15:58 jcamins drojf: right. 15:58 drojf that's cool :) 15:59 drojf gerundio: i'm afraid i don't know anything about memberadd 15:59 gerundio ok 15:59 drojf maybe somebody else here does 15:59 * jcamins avoids Auth. 15:59 drojf or you could add a question to the bug 16:00 drojf or ask libsysguy later 16:00 jcamins C4::Search is enough horror. 16:00 gerundio I'll try to trace the login action on the OPAC form 16:00 gerundio to figure out where this could be added :) 16:02 drojf gerundio: you are working hard for your "that LDAP guy" title :) 16:02 gerundio lolol 16:03 gerundio well, lets just say I've been away from keyboards and code for a while 16:03 gerundio I was managing a helpdesk team here at my faculty 16:03 jcamins gerundio: so you feel inspired to work on Auth_by_ldap? 16:03 jcamins gerundio: you should take a week-long vacation and come back and fix C4::Auth. 16:04 gerundio it feels good to get in touch with programing for a change now 16:04 drojf a looonglasting change 16:05 jcamins gerundio: in case it's not clear, most of us find C4::Auth horrifying and terrifying. 16:05 drojf paid with lots of karma and glory 16:05 gerundio I got that impression in the last few days by talking to you guys 16:05 gerundio but don't get the hopes up to high 16:06 jcamins gerundio: but after a week-long vacation, surely you'll be raring to go? :) 16:06 drojf too late. YOU CAN'T LET US DOIWN NOW!! 16:06 gerundio if you're religious, let me just say, the saviour walked the earth 2000+ years ago :p 16:07 gaetan_B bye ! 16:08 drojf heh. just kidding. whatever little (or more) you choose to do is very cool! what you did now is already cool. thanks! 16:08 jcamins gerundio: hehe. 16:09 gerundio it would be nice to get a little more involved on some open source projects 16:09 gerundio I deal with them all the time here at work 16:09 gerundio but I never get to have enough time on each one of them to contribute that much 16:09 gerundio lets see how it goes this time :) 16:11 drojf goodness, nengard is on a help file spree 16:11 nengard got a deadline looming 16:12 nengard they're not as thorough as i want them 16:12 nengard but i do want to get them to the translators if I can 16:12 nengard I don't think I'll finish before the freeze 16:15 drojf oh it's on monday already 16:15 nengard and I leave for a conference tomorrow 16:15 drojf well, sleep is overrated anyway :P 16:18 nengard jcamins do you have any help info for the did you mean feature? a help file wasn't created - I can do one, but if you have something I can copy from I'll use that 16:18 nengard and that is your feature right? :) 16:18 nengard hehe 16:19 jcamins nengard: for the feature or for the page? 16:19 jcamins The feature is OPAC-only at the moment, which is probably why it doesn't show up in the intranet help files. 16:20 nengard for the page - how to use the feature from the admin area in the staff client 16:20 jcamins The page in admin is just to enable/disable and prioritize Did you mean? plugins (OPAC-only for right now, in a follow-up for 3.12). 16:20 jcamins I didn't write any help on it. 16:20 jcamins It's all drag-and-drop. 16:21 jcamins Check the box for each plugin you want to enable, drag them into your preferred order, and click "Save." 16:21 nengard right, but what am i dragging and dropping, how does the set up effect the opac ? basically whatever would be in the manual i'll put on that help page, but i haven't put it in the manual yet 16:22 jcamins Didn't you? I thought I approved your manual text. 16:23 jcamins [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=smith 16:23 jcamins See the yellow bar near the top, that suggests the Smithsonian and a couple of other Smiths? 16:24 gerundio think I found the origin of the problem 16:24 gerundio need some perl expertise from you now :) 16:24 gerundio $ldap = C4::Context->config('useldapserver') || 0; 16:24 jcamins That's the AuthorityFile plugin. It searches for your terms in the authority file, and suggests you search for records linked to those authorities. 16:25 gerundio this should assign $ldap with the 'useldapserver' config file value if the entry exists and otherwise set it to 0, right? 16:25 jcamins The ExplodedTerms plugin suggests broader/narrower/related searches using the authority hierarchy links in authority records' 5xx fields. 16:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #910 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:26 jcamins I would suspect that ExplodedTerms is not particularly useful for US public libraries, but would be useful for UNIMARC libraries, and for special libraries. 16:27 drojf gerundio: that's what i think 16:27 drojf but perl expertise is nothing i would claim for myself :) 16:27 jcamins gerundio: that's correct. The ||0 is to make sure we don't get warnings about the variable being undefined. 16:28 gerundio hmm, weird then 16:28 nengard jcamins nope - you approved the authorities linking text 16:28 nengard i need some food before i start thinking about all of this :) 16:28 gerundio I have that set to 1 in my config file 16:28 nengard I'll be back 16:28 gerundio and I'm getting the value 0 there 16:29 jcamins gerundio: are you using memcached? 16:29 gerundio yeap :) 16:30 gerundio a memcached restart is in order then :D 16:30 jcamins Yeah. 16:30 gerundio do you want the good news or the good news? :D 16:30 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8525' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee3eee451d2c36ff58f9443c86a8522ef905eca1> / Follow up: Bug 8525: Update preference description <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15711398399fadc519914de9394d65238c31f78c> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7986' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=comm 16:30 jcamins The argument against putting memcached configuration in koha-conf.xml makes very little sense, in light of the fact that any changes you make require restarting memcached anyway. 16:32 slef @arewethereyet 16:32 huginn slef: YES! 16:32 gerundio I was just discussing that with a colleague 16:33 gerundio memcached for storing the settings in a production environment makes all the sense to me 16:33 gerundio well, but lets make this official: LDAP bind authentication is now working 16:34 jcamins What we need is a `kohactl reload` (like `apache2ctl reload`). 16:34 jcamins Hooray! 16:34 drojf w00t 16:35 jcamins libsysguy won't be around today, I think. 16:35 drojf partying with swedes on his deck? 16:35 jcamins lol 16:35 jcamins Closing on a house, I think. 16:36 jcamins I warned him it was a trap, not unlike C4::Auth. 16:38 wizzyrea closing on a house! awesome! 16:38 wizzyrea @later tell libsysguy Congrats on the house! 16:38 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. 16:39 jcamins Next time we see him, he's going to have gone entirely gray. :P 16:39 kf lol 16:39 kf bye all and have a nice weekend! 16:39 jcamins drojf: "Freistadt" - that's more likely to be the town in Austria than a German note along the lines of "unknown place," right? 16:39 jcamins Bah. 16:39 jcamins Just missed kf. I could've asked for two opinions. 16:40 oleonard And it's Friday--kf might not be back until Monday! 16:40 jcamins She's on vacation next week. 16:40 jcamins No kf for a long time! 16:41 drojf jcamins: definitely the austrian town. not possible to use that as "unknown place" as far as i can imagine 16:41 jcamins drojf: good. 16:42 drojf but, well, if it's austrian, they may have crazy words with weird meanings :D 16:43 jcamins "Eleutheropol" was identified as "Freistadt," but since "Eleutheropol" is a false imprint, I was concerned that it could be a note in German along the lines of "free [un-fixed] place." :) 16:43 dracoling jcamins: Freistadt is also a neighborhood in Mequon, WI, USA. But that's probably not really relevant. 16:43 jcamins dracoling: seems unlikely, unless they had a printing press in 1704. 16:44 jcamins Actually, this could be a thrilling swashbuckling adventure. 16:45 jcamins The story of how hundreds of books were printed in Mequon, WI under a false imprint and then smuggled to Europe and claimed by booksellers in various places on the continent. 16:46 dracoling Simple answer denied in favor of buckling of swashes. 16:47 jcamins Move over Dan Brown and The Da Vinci Code, here comes jcamins and The Eleutheropol Conspiracy! 16:49 drojf jcamins: interesting idea. you would not do it that way in more or less modern german. had a look in my etymological dictionary, nothing there. it would probably rather be "Freistatt" (Stätte=place, Stadt=town) and a convention i never heard of or can find. 16:49 oleonard Wherein the hero stops at nothing to race across the country to solve the mystery, stopping only to periodically bake bread. 16:50 jcamins drojf: good. I hate leaving items unmapped. 16:50 drojf :) 16:50 jcamins This is the client for whom I did the mapping jQuery. 16:52 drojf freistatt is also a word for "asylum, sanctuary" by the way 16:52 drojf mapping jquery? 16:53 jcamins jquery library? 16:53 wahanui jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/JQuery_Library 16:53 jcamins Under OPAC enhanced content. 16:57 drojf oh fancy! i have to try that. and OSM it ;) 16:58 jcamins drojf: I'd like to use OSM + Koha's report service to actually map the entire collection. 16:58 drojf yes, please! 16:59 jcamins However, I want my clients' systems to be stable more than I want that, so I'm running 3.6.x. 16:59 jcamins Well- plus a few backports, but the reports service was too complicated. 17:00 drojf stable, schmable. shiny features!!1! :D 17:01 jcamins Logs? 17:01 wahanui Logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 17:02 jcamins @later tell rangi Please fix logbot, he is logging [off]. 17:02 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 17:03 oleonard jcamins: Where? 17:04 drojf logs fine for me 17:04 jcamins Wait... 17:04 jcamins That's weird. 17:05 jcamins It appears in search but not in the logs. 17:05 jcamins @later tell rangi Never mind. [off] appears in search results, but possibly not in the actual logs. 17:05 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 17:06 oleonard Indeed. 17:07 drojf that is strange 17:08 drojf and not really desirable 17:08 jcamins As an aside, we're pretty snarky, aren't we? :) 17:10 drojf we are? 17:10 jcamins Bug 8948 17:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , MARC21 field 787 doesn't display 17:11 jcamins drojf: there are days, yes. 17:15 drojf lol. i bet fb has put me in a 787 of several people that invited me. fb should really use MARC. 17:17 tcohen eythian 17:17 jcamins tcohen: it's Saturday in NZ. 17:17 tcohen what are the instructions to test your packages? 17:17 tcohen oh 17:18 tcohen i always forget :-D 17:18 jcamins tcohen: probably you should just do "sudo apt-get install [package name]"? 17:18 tcohen jcamins, yes, but the packages are not there 17:19 jcamins Oh. 17:19 jcamins Hm. 17:19 jcamins That's a problem. 17:19 tcohen so I thought there must be another debian repo he is using for testing 17:19 jcamins Actually, I see. 17:20 jcamins All the dependencies are now on debian.koha-community.org. 17:20 jcamins So what you should be testing is that building the packages using your script works? 17:20 jcamins Maybe? 17:20 * jcamins goes to eat lunch. 17:24 drojf oh no the LDAP guy left 17:25 gerundio time to say goodbye for now 17:26 gerundio have a nice weekend everyone 17:26 gerundio thanks for the support 17:26 drojf heh gerundioi i just thought to send you to another LDAP bug ;) 17:26 drojf gerundio: 17:26 gerundio lolol 17:27 drojf have a nice weekend :) come back if you get bored ;) 17:27 gerundio isn't it solved already with this new patch? 17:27 drojf i dont know, you are the expert :) 17:27 drojf http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8919 17:27 huginn 04Bug 8919: critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP 17:29 gerundio remind me of this monday :) 17:29 gerundio gone 17:30 drojf ha. looks promising 17:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #910: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/910/ 17:33 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8861 - Undefined variables in batchMod.pl trigger error logs 17:33 jenkins_koha * mirko: Bug 4177 opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface 17:33 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7986 Follow Up: Update ExportWithCsvProfile 17:33 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 7986 Follow Up: Fix ExportRemoveFields 17:33 jenkins_koha * nengard: Follow up: Bug 8525: Update preference description 17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8861 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Undefined variables in batchMod.pl trigger error logs 17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface 17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Export issues 17:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8525 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Highlight matches on details page 17:34 tcohen jcamins, I thought that eythian had built libkoha-contrib-tamil-perl and its dependencies into the repo 17:35 jcamins You know, I need to configure Zebra to understand 'u' and 'v' as the same letter. 17:35 jcamins tcohen: I'm not sure. I can't figure out quite what he wanted done, so I'm just guessing. 17:35 tcohen yeah, me too 17:38 drojf has the livecd manager been here somewhen since the irc meeting? 17:39 jcamins I don't think so, but I could be mistaken. 17:39 drojf @seen vimal 17:39 huginn drojf: vimal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, 49 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <vimal> Thanl u all 17:39 drojf no he wasn't. (and i did remember the nick) 17:51 tcohen jcamins, is it posible that those packages had been uploaded to a catalyst's repo? 17:52 jcamins tcohen: possibly, but I don't know where that would be. 17:52 tcohen i'll let it go he, maybe on monday i can test that 17:52 tcohen thanks 17:52 * cait waves 17:53 jcamins o/ 17:53 wajasu i think he meant that he put the packages in squeeze-dev 17:54 jcamins wajasu: but they're not there. 17:54 wajasu oh 18:30 drojf sent a mail about »official« livecds to the lists. i hope it does not sound arrogant. 18:36 rangi seems fine to me 18:37 slef arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh I am sooooooooooooooooooo glad that koha doesn't require github 18:37 rangi and no off in search results now 18:37 jcamins rangi++ 18:37 slef thank you thank you to all the lovely hosts of koha-community.org machines 18:37 jcamins slef: what's github done? 18:37 jcamins This reminds me. Must add git hooks. 18:37 jcamins Later. 18:37 slef jcamins: you can't use it without registering with them. 18:38 slef jcamins: and their terms suck. 18:38 jcamins slef: but you have to send your key to gmcharlt for git.k-c.org, too. 18:39 slef jcamins: does gmcharlt insist on your legal full name and that you pay for his lawyers? 18:39 * oleonard eyes gmcharlt suspiciously 18:39 gmcharlt slef: my lawyers demand fine chocolate! 18:39 jcamins slef: well he never did before, but now that you've suggested it... 18:40 slef gmcharlt: tough, you missed your chance and only got a bar drink. 18:40 gmcharlt now, to start work on my JD 18:40 slef gmcharlt: +Coke? 18:40 cait lol jcamins++ 18:40 magnuse who can give @arewethereyet a new date to keep track of? 18:40 gmcharlt heh - I had meant juris doctor, but Jack Daniels also works 18:41 cait @quote add jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do! 18:41 huginn cait: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 18:41 cait meh 18:41 wizzyrea @quote add jcamins: Facebook may not like unspecified relationships, but rare books catalogers do! 18:41 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #220 added. 18:41 cait can someone else do me the favour? :) 18:41 cait thx wizzyrea 18:41 cait :) 18:41 wizzyrea yw 18:41 rangi @help arewethereyet 18:41 huginn rangi: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 18:41 rangi @help 18:41 huginn rangi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 18:41 rangi magnuse: i fail 18:42 magnuse that's ok rangi :-) 18:42 magnuse we all do, some time or opther 18:42 magnuse see? 18:42 magnuse btw: my "get to know koha" day is fully booked - 20 people from 11 libraries - w00t! 18:43 jcamins Awesome! 18:43 jcamins magnuse++ 18:43 slef the file submited? 18:43 wahanui the file submited is not even the correct one :( 18:43 slef wine? 18:43 wahanui wine is, like, an acceptable ingredient ;) 18:43 drojf slides? 18:43 wahanui kf should be writing slides 18:43 rangi ok gotta shut down and pack the computer up to take camping 18:43 slef ok, wine? 18:43 wahanui wine is, like, not usually the best for programming :) 18:43 magnuse ooh, have fun rangi! 18:43 slef Of course, one of the disadvantages? 18:43 wahanui Of course, one of the disadvantages is that said liquor cabinet doesn't get automatically stocked. 18:44 * magnuse wanders off to eat his pizza bianca... 18:44 drojf ah. camping. out in the wilderness. only nature. and your notebook. and smartphone. have fun :) 18:44 cait pizza bianca... hm. 18:44 cait now he leaves us with that 18:44 gmcharlt @arewethereyet 18:44 huginn gmcharlt: Not yet - wait 34 days 18:44 cait yay :) 18:46 jcamins Foccaccia uses a rich dough? 18:46 * cait hopes rangi doesn't get eaten by a bear or one of those big reptiles 18:46 drojf dragons? 18:46 cait jcamins: is that some kind of new code noone told me about? :) 18:47 jcamins cait: I was just looking pizza bianca. 18:48 * slef adds "the new Google Groups" to his usability disaster zone blacklist 18:48 jcamins slef: but if we had a Google group... 18:48 jcamins uhhh... 18:48 jcamins drojf: help me out here? 18:49 drojf lol 18:49 drojf once we import all mailing list data to google groups all problems will vanish 18:49 slef icing on the cake is "Not ready for change? Temporarily choose the old Google Groups from the settings menu." and if you do that, it says there was an error communicating with the server with a link to "Reload" and that then displays... guess what? "The new Google Groups" again, with the same "Not ready for change?" popup 18:50 * cait hands slef an oatmeal cookie 18:50 slef If they remade that Superbowl advert today, it wouldn't be Big Brother on the big screen, it would be Google 18:50 slef and it wouldn't be a hammer, it would be an iphone5, which is about the same size 18:50 cait no chocolate, but a cookie 18:50 slef :) 18:50 jcamins Oooh. 18:50 jcamins Pizza. 18:50 drojf that popup is supposed to say "Not ready for change to temporarely choose the old google groups from teh server menu". it's a warning 18:50 * cait had pizza tonight... what a coincidence 18:51 jcamins (I know you said "cookie," but that made me think about baking) 18:51 wizzyrea oleonard: with your permission I'm going to add your bit of jquery to the library on the wiki 18:51 wizzyrea re: title notes vs holdings tab 18:51 oleonard Sure, although it will be different in 3.10+ 18:51 wizzyrea I will specify the version 18:53 oleonard Thanks wizzyrea. I even looked on the wiki for it before I re-figured it out for the message. 18:53 slef [off] I will be having pizza tonight. 18:54 jcamins [off] Is that a secret? 18:54 slef Things like Google Groups really annoy me. They're ear-chewingly bad, yet still get flocks of people going to them. 18:54 slef [off] yes. 18:54 jcamins [off] Why? 18:54 cait [off] it's kind of poetic - koha people having pizza all around the world... 18:54 slef [off] Not sure. I'm a bit secretive about domestic things. 18:55 slef [off] I guess because it affects other people who haven't consented to have their dinner choices posted online forever. 18:55 wizzyrea [off] I'd eat pizza if I had a food processor. Because then I could have cauliflower-crust pizza. 18:55 oleonard I missed posting my dinner choice online once and got a nasty letter from Google. 18:55 * drojf considers kohaleaks 18:55 wizzyrea [off] it's secret pizza day! 18:56 jcamins [off] Cauliflower-crust pizza? Why is that secret? 18:56 slef oleonard: I thought it was twitter was for posting dinner choices? 18:56 rambutan [off] it's settled then. I'll have pepper and pepperoni pizza preferably at pizza hut tonight 18:56 wizzyrea [off] because it's magical. I'm not sure. But the secret is more likely that I don't currently have an automatic food chopper. 18:56 slef oleonard: or is that why they launched google+? 18:57 oleonard Sorry, I should have said Instagram 18:59 wizzyrea lol true about instagram 18:59 wizzyrea it's the place for pictures of your kids, or of women making duck faces, or dudes looking tough, or pictures of historical monuments taken from strange angles 19:00 wizzyrea and mostly, food. 19:00 wizzyrea one guy I follow does nothing but take pictures of every meal. 19:00 wizzyrea they always look quite yummy. 19:03 cait wizzyrea: how does this cauliflower thing work? 19:03 cait you amde me curious although cauliflower is probably the only vegetable I don't like 19:04 jcamins I like cauliflower sometimes. 19:04 oleonard Raw cauliflower with hummus! 19:05 wizzyrea http://www.onegoodthingbyjillee.com/2012/08/the-astonishing-cauliflower-pizza-crust-you-have-to-taste-it-to-believe-it.html 19:06 wizzyrea where "riced" cauliflower = buzzed to death in a food processor. 19:06 wizzyrea well, until it looks like grain anyway. 19:06 jcamins wizzyrea: you mean, like rice? 19:07 jcamins :P 19:07 wizzyrea precisely. :{ 19:07 wizzyrea :P 19:08 cait and again... I got no microwave 19:08 cait *sob* 19:08 wizzyrea well you can steam it 19:08 wizzyrea that's all you're doing really 19:08 wizzyrea do you have a pot and a colander? 19:08 wizzyrea line the colander with a paper or cloth towel, put the cauliflower in it 19:08 dracoling mmmmmm. steamed cauliflower 19:08 wizzyrea put that over a pot of boiling water 19:08 wizzyrea let it go for 10ish minutes 19:08 wizzyrea same thing. 19:09 wizzyrea you probably want a lid on that 19:09 wizzyrea too. 19:09 jcamins Definitely a lid. 19:09 jcamins Much faster that way. 19:09 wizzyrea you can also make fried rice this way. 19:09 wizzyrea which is also yummy 19:09 wahanui okay, wizzyrea. 19:09 wizzyrea forget which 19:09 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot which 19:10 wizzyrea faux fried rice, I mean 19:10 * cait looks up colander :P 19:10 wizzyrea it's a bowl with holes in it 19:10 cait aaah 19:10 cait right 19:10 wizzyrea :) 19:10 cait of course I haveone 19:10 wizzyrea yesss! 19:11 cait but it's still cauliflower.... it will take some time until I am ready to try that 19:11 dracoling which is literally '' 19:12 dracoling aww. no factoids for me :( 19:12 wizzyrea it doesn't taste like cauliflower 19:12 wizzyrea to me 19:12 jcamins which? 19:12 wahanui which is literally '' 19:12 jcamins wahanui: forget which 19:12 wahanui jcamins: I forgot which 19:12 jcamins which is <reply> 19:12 wizzyrea which is <reply> 19:12 wahanui i already had it that way, wizzyrea. 19:12 wizzyrea lol 19:12 jcamins which? 19:12 * wizzyrea shakes her fist at jcamins 19:14 oleonard Should have been "which is <reply> which what?" 19:18 drojf witch? 19:19 jcamins which witch? 19:19 wahanui She'll put a curse on me if I tell! 19:19 drojf lol 19:20 cait lol 19:22 drojf cait? 19:22 wahanui cait is qam, not my secretary 19:22 cait lol 19:23 jcamins cait? 19:23 wahanui i think cait is qam, not your secretary 20:12 oleonard Have a good weekend #koha 21:17 wizzyrea I probably won't be around much for a couple of weeks after this. :) 21:18 wizzyrea so be safe, productive, and well. 21:18 wizzyrea and I will see you all again soon. 21:22 santy hello everyone. I have a question... when saving a biblio in koha, does the Marcxml string get concatenated and updated again by the saving routine with the new values? 21:38 santy does the Koha api have a function to just do that... concatenate and update the marcxml field, so that I can call that function in a batch process? 21:40 santy I already looked but did not find one 21:44 drojf first question? 21:44 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 21:45 drojf second question? 21:45 wahanui second question is, like, "What is the exact error message?" 21:45 drojf third question? 21:45 wahanui third question is "What version of Koha are you using?" http://koha-community.org/faq/find-version-koha-running/ 21:45 drojf fourth question? 21:45 wahanui fourth question is "Are we there yet?" 21:45 drojf fifth question? 21:45 wahanui i heard fifth question was "Are we there yet?" 21:53 drojf logs? 21:53 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 22:34 jcamins_away santy: this is the wrong way to edit records. 22:35 jcamins You _are_ going to mess up your system, and you're not going to be able to get any help you do that. 22:39 magnuse there is a right way to edit marc? ;-) 22:40 jcamins magnuse: yes, without editing the XML directly. 22:40 magnuse :-) 22:41 drojf why is it XML if i am not supposed to edit it? *hides* 22:41 * magnuse wonders why his memcached had a sudden spike in activity and then died a few hours ago 22:42 jcamins drojf: so that you'll try and have to pay me at my "broken production fixing" rates? Nah, that's not a good reason. I don't want to ever charge those rates, 'cause I hate dealing with broken production systems. 22:42 drojf heh 22:42 drojf the '30x the normal rate' rates? 22:43 jcamins Yup. 22:43 drojf why do people say nullmailer is easy to set up if it does not work? 22:43 santy Ok, I'll try and explain, there are many organizations who already have their own standard or custom ILS systems and who are very eager to switch to Koha. unfortunately, some of them, like my client, are very restrictive of the kind of solutions a consultant may propose. In a case where one has to use java to migrate or synchronize records from foreign ILS systems things can get really rough. How am I supposed to use Koha's api from Java? I have tried, 22:43 santy have looked to find out the most standar and Koha compliant way to do this but must also do what my client enforces me to do. In the end all data shall be migrated to Koha successfully, the hard way. 22:44 jcamins santy: Koha was not designed to be used in tandem with other ILSes. 22:44 drojf or with java 22:44 jcamins There is no Java API at all, and almost certainly never will be. 22:44 magnuse santy: export the data, massage it and import it into koha 22:44 santy I know, but I just want to migrate some records from another db. 22:44 jcamins There are a couple of web service APIs, but they're not going to do what you want either. 22:45 jcamins In order to get records from one system to another, you should export them as MARC, make any needed changes, and import them. 22:45 magnuse s/massage it/massage it with whatever tools you like/ 22:45 jcamins Koha provides command line scripts. 22:45 santy I need to migrate some 40000 records from a custom db to Koha... 22:46 magnuse santy: can you export them as marc? 22:46 santy that is exactly the point... I cannot 22:46 jcamins In that case, export them as whatever you can export them, and convert them into MARC. 22:46 santy they have a very ill designed system and there is no... export db as marc 22:47 jcamins If you are converting them into MARCXML, that's fine. Just import that MARCXML into Koha. 22:47 magnuse migration toolbox? 22:47 wahanui migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ 22:47 magnuse there are some tools there that might be useful, i think 22:47 * magnuse calls it a day 22:48 jcamins Any direct modifications to the Koha database have a 90%+ chance of making things worse. 22:48 santy Well, I have to speak from my experience, I know how to concatenate the marcxml, I have done It and records show and can be searched neatly from Kohas catalog and staff interfaces.. 22:48 jcamins santy: if you're happy with how you're doing it, that's fine. 22:48 santy zebra processes them good 22:48 jcamins However, if you are directly inserting MARCXML, that is bad. 22:49 jcamins That means you are failing to fill in several dozen columns that *need* to be filled in for everything to work right. 22:50 jcamins If you are not directly importing the MARCXML, then you'll have to try rephrasing your question, because I understand that you are doing something like "INSERT INTO biblioitems (marcxml) VALUES (${marcxml});" 22:50 jcamins Aww! 22:50 santy I do... I really traverse every marc code and add fields and subfields... concatenating them from a program 22:50 jcamins Myshkin just jumped into a bag. 22:50 santy not throug sql 22:50 jcamins Okay, that's what we just recommended that you do. 22:50 drojf a bag? 22:50 wahanui I LIKE BASEBALL 22:51 jcamins Yeah. A little paper bag with handles. 22:51 jcamins It's almost large enough for him to fit. 22:51 santy I know... I would prefer to call a Koha api perl function like... concatenateMarcXML(author,corporate_author,title,unititle,....) 22:51 jcamins santy: okay, now I understand. 22:51 santy but I don't know if there is one 22:52 jcamins There is not. 22:52 santy ok 22:52 jcamins santy: that's very different from what it sounded like you were asking initially. 22:52 jcamins [off] drojf: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5dHoyXCAAEAEQm.jpg 22:52 santy you're right, sometimes these questions are not easy to explain 22:53 drojf awwww 22:53 cjh nawww 22:54 drojf cats and bags, cats and boxes. they sure know how to have it cozy :) 22:54 jcamins santy: santy so it sounds to me like this is the best way to go about things. 22:56 santy well it worked... I'm succesfully importing ISIS records, and zebra indexes fine. 22:58 santy If this project goes well I might show you what I did and port my java webservice to perl and some how make it official. 22:59 jcamins Regardless how the project works, you should seriously consider making all the code open source and available. 22:59 jcamins Someone just might pick up some of your code and make it better. 23:01 santy I will, sure... I mean if things go well, at least I can say synchronizing already works between kohas, and WINSISI. i still have to implement SIABUC8 (which uses access) 23:01 jcamins Ewww. 23:01 * jcamins hates Access. 23:01 jcamins It was an excuse for people who didn't know anything about databases to break things. 23:03 jcamins Also, Access crashes a lot. 23:03 santy lol, I know access is not very reliable for a production system... but, there really are government agencies that have access based ILS... and its my duty to remotely show their records through Koha 23:04 drojf government agencies are crazy 23:06 santy yes... they are so inertial... picky... and burocratic 23:06 santy I still don't know if in the end they make me implement everything on redhat 23:07 drojf good luck with that 23:07 drojf if it goes really bad they make you reimplement koha in java :P 23:07 santy oh God 23:08 santy It WAS hard to convince them that the ISIS synchronizer had to be implemented on perl 23:10 santy anyway, if they mess up the project with their guidelines, they will be under pressure from 52 public libraries 23:10 santy (which I have to syncronize) 23:23 drojf santy: why does it have to be java? i kind of understand the redhat thing (if they are a redhat partner blah blah), but why do they dictate a programming language for the import stuff? as long as it works, what does it matter? 23:24 santy because it is difficult for them to find and hire programmers for any other language... 23:25 santy not many people here know perl 23:26 drojf i see 23:26 jcamins santy: do they understand that Koha is written in Perl? 23:27 santy yes, they do, and accepted it because Koha is such a marvelous free system 23:27 santy they are into open source right now 23:27 santy which is cool 23:27 * jcamins thinks that's very good. 23:28 jcamins But if they're not planning on keeping an Perl programmers on-staff, nor hiring a vendor for support, things could be very difficult. 23:28 santy but they have their quirks 23:29 santy well, I know a bit of perl, (did an ISIS syncronizer), they say they might hire me 23:33 drojf they have not hired you yet? how come you work for them already? 23:34 santy I mean, hire me again... 23:36 drojf oh look my koha sent mail 23:36 drojf good koha, have a cookie 23:37 drojf still does not send a recall mail for bug 8688 but errors 23:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8688 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Needs Signoff , Add a recall button to the biblio record details page. 23:43 drojf how did it use a smarthost without me giving username and password? that's interesting 23:46 jcamins drojf: I've never figured out how to use nullmailer. 23:46 drojf jcamins: it's postfix, nullmailer did not work for me 23:47 jcamins Ah. 23:47 jcamins Postfix always works well for me. 23:47 drojf it did send a testmail, but it did not relay localhost mails (from koha) 23:48 drojf postfix now just worked. that did not happen before. i'm a little confused how it uses the smarthost though without logging in :D 23:50 drojf but maybe that is the reason the recall thingy does not work 23:51 drojf some mail is much better than no mail at all. i consider this a win. and wonder how i did not manage to configure postfix before, it just works