Time  Nick                 Message
00:13 dps                  Could someone help me with how to apply the patches for bug 35687, I'm not sure how to do this sort of thing. Is it the 'patch' command with those files? https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35687
00:13 huginn`              04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35687 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Upgrade to 23.06.00.013 may fail
00:13 huginn`              04Bug 35687: blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Upgrade to 23.06.00.013 may fail
00:40 dps                  I don't know where to find the files that need to be patched.
02:15 tuxayo               dps: hi :) so you have a production koha that needs this?
02:16 tuxayo               How is it installed? via the koha debian repo? some custom git install? Some custom packaging install?
02:18 tuxayo               Was the problematic upgrade already applied to the production instance?
02:22 tuxayo               Does that break any functionality that can't wait for the upcoming (current or next week I think) minors releases that should include the fix?
03:41 dps                  It's installed via the debian repo. And yes, the upgrade is stuck on a production instance. If there's a fix coming this week, I could probably wait for it. All functionality is broken since the upgrade couldn't complete.
03:42 tuxayo               dps: Do you have a backup of before the migration attempt? The debian packages make this very easy along with restoring: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-dump
03:44 dps                  I backed up the database with a mysqldump and also exported data from the tools menu. I could look at rolling back the debian packages.
03:45 dps                  It looked like the patches weren't that complicated, I just couldn't find where to insert them.
03:45 tuxayo               dps: and you call still use koha-dump before trying to restore the DB backup. Note that simple DB backup don't include at least uploaded files and zebra index.
03:46 dps                  I see. No, I didn't use koha-dump before the upgrade as I wasn't aware of it. I'm pretty new to Koha.
03:49 tuxayo               > It looked like the patches weren't that complicated, I just couldn't find where to insert them.
03:49 tuxayo               dps: If you are considering applying patches directly on top of files managed by a Debian package a better alternative is to apply directly the SQL that the patches contain: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=161221&action=diff
03:50 tuxayo               The cleanest is still to rollback the package upgrade and DB and wait.
03:52 tuxayo               You shouldn't have data inconsistency due to only having a DB backup because Koha wasn't used since the upgrade attempt. (because it's inacessible) So Zebra data, uploaded files and eventual other things are still in perfect sync with the DB content.
03:53 tuxayo               Zebra or ElasticSearch/OpenSearch, i don't know your Koha search engine.
03:55 dps                  It's using Zebra
03:56 dps                  Thanks for the tips. As you suggest, I'll try rolling back the packages and wait for the minor release that fixes it.
03:58 dps                  I don't know if I trust myself to apply the SQL directly.
04:15 tuxayo               dps: The upgrade will reblow up if you miss apply the SQL. But yeah if you are unlucky it won't be the case and it will continue and crash latter after some usage.
04:17 tuxayo               Don't forget koha-dump for backups.
04:17 tuxayo               I hope the rest of you Koha usage goes smoothly :)
04:17 tuxayo               *your
04:20 Raghav               I want KOHA for my Library
05:08 saa                  our koha admin page getting logged out again and again
05:08 saa                  we had tried to add ip range but it seems it is not working
05:09 saa                  when i try to edit library name and try to click to edit library details it says Something went wrong when loading the table. 401: Unauthorized.
05:10 saa                  how to sort out this issue pl. help
07:06 jim_                 hello
07:06 jim_                 need one help
07:07 jim_                 if i add date on items.more_subfields_xml is there a particular format i need to follow or can i add any format to fetch data
07:32 Joubu                mtj: around?
07:34 reiveune             hello
07:49 Joubu                wiki sends emails again
07:50 Joubu                domm++ MarkHofstetter++ rangi++ thanks!
08:14 jim_                 hello
08:14 jim_                 any solution for me
08:25 mtj                  Hi joubu. About..
08:28 Joubu                mtj: hi :) did you see the different errors people get with koha-l10n deb package?
08:28 Joubu                well, you reported one, so you saw that one :D
08:29 Joubu                there is also: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2024-January/048473.html
08:29 Joubu                "koha-common : Depends: koha-l10n but it is not going to be installed"
08:29 Joubu                any idea of how we could fix them?
08:36 mtj                  Yep.. Will send a patch today
08:49 mtj                  Back in 60 mins..
09:11 saa                  can anyone help our koha admin page logs out often and for every click asks to reenter login and password
09:13 saa                  we get error as something went wrong when loading the table. 401:Unauthorized
09:27 davidnind            saa: I don't know specifically, but I assume you have 1) Restarted everything on the server (including Plack) 2) Cleared your browser cache (or at least used another fresh browser to see if it still occurs) 3) Checked the timeout, SessionRestrictionByIP, and staffClientBaseURLsystem preferences
09:28 davidnind            otherwise, I don't have any other ideas
09:32 davidnind            jim_: I don't understand your question or the problem you are having and trying to resolve
09:37 saa                  Checked the timeout, SessionRestrictionByIP, and staffClientBaseURLsystem preferences i had changed staffclient access by IP and since then now everytime admin page logs out
09:38 saa                  when i try to click on library option it give error as Something went wrong when loading the table 401:Unauthorized
09:38 saa                  how can i remove that IP range now so that we continue to access our staff client
09:38 saa                  browse often logs out
09:39 saa                  is there any way by which from terminal i can remove that ip range and check if things are working ok
09:41 saa                  or is there any other way to solve the issue so that my library staff can easily work on staff client page
09:45 Joubu                empty the system preference's value in DB using the mysql cli
09:46 saa                  will that not be risky
09:46 saa                  can i only change that single particular value
09:46 saa                  we have made many changes in system preferences
09:46 saa                  is there any perl program to chaange these settings
09:47 saa                  is there any way i can only edit sessionbyip details
09:48 saa                  so that our often logging in and out issue willl be resolved
09:51 Joubu                you need to change the value in the DB then restart the different services. That's the only way to modify sysprefs if you do not have access to the UI.
09:53 saa                  will that solve the problem of getting error as Something went wrong when loading the table. 401:Unauthorized. especially the koha admin page logs out with every click
09:53 saa                  and if u can suggest how to change that would help
09:54 davidnind            you can update the system preference in the database with a sql query: 1) koha-mysql instancename 2) SQL query to see the current value, for example: select * from systempreferences where variable='SessionRestrictionByIP'; 3) update the values using an normal SQL query, for example: update systempreferences set value='XXXX' where variable='SessionRestrictionByIP';
09:55 saa                  can i exactly copy above in my mysql client
09:56 cait                 fridolin: PM!
09:56 davidnind            however, if you have added some values to Administration > Libraries > [Libraryname] > IP, then you would need to update the entry in the database table for the library (these are recorded in the branches table)
09:57 davidnind            saa: we (I) don't know what is causing the issue, so we are just suggesting some things for you to try
09:58 saa                  i remember i have added value in sessionbyip
09:58 saa                  and restarted all services
09:58 saa                  and since then our client logs out by every click
09:59 saa                  so please suggest which two tables would I need to check and correct
10:00 davidnind            if you are not familiar with MySQL or MariaDB and SQL commands, then please backup your database first before trying anything
10:01 saa                  yes
10:02 saa                  select * from systempreferences where variable='SessionRestrictionByIP'; +------------------------+-------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-------------+-------+ | variable               | value | options                                                                                                             | explanation | type  | +------------------------+-------+-------
10:02 saa                  when I ran above command i dont see any IP added
10:03 saa                  SessionRestrictionByIP | 1     | Check for change in remote IP address for session security. Disable only when remote IP address changes frequently. |             | YesNo
10:04 Joubu                which error do you see when you are logged out?
10:05 davidnind            and no, you need to customise the SQL query in 3 above - options for value (where I had 'XXXX') are 1 (which = yes) and 0 (which = no) (Enable check for change in remote IP address for session security)
10:05 saa                  Kohaclient often logs out and when i click on Libraries it says Something wen wrong when loading the table 401:Unauthorised
10:06 Joubu                forget about the 401. Please tell me which error you see on the screen when you are logged out.
10:06 saa                  and my intranet-error.log says stname to be kohaadmin.ncl.res.in for uri /cgi-bin/koha/errors/400.pl [Wed Jan 24 15:26:31.076888 2024] [proxy_http:error] [pid 46225] (70014)End of file found: [client 164.52.0.94:43479] AH01095: prefetch request body failed to 0.0.0.0:0 (httpd-UDS) from 164.52.0.94 () [Wed Jan 24 15:26:38.808758 2024] [proxy:warn] [pid 46226] [client 164.52.0.94:48915] AH01092: no HTTP 0.9 request (with no host line) on incoming request and pre
10:07 saa                  When I try to click on Library name with edit it throws error as Something went wrong when loading the table 401:Unauthorised
10:07 saa                  and above is intranet error log
10:09 Joubu                did you modify apache config?
10:09 Joubu                how did you install Koha?
10:10 saa                  no apache is not modified
10:10 saa                  i only changed hosts file
10:11 saa                  because i found my koha client was accessible from outside
10:11 saa                  i wanted to restrict it with only IP range
10:11 saa                  our opac is configured with 443 and staff client runs on http
10:14 Joubu                so you are saying this problem just appeared right after you have modified the value of the system preference SessionRestrictionByIP?
10:15 saa                  yes
10:16 davidnind            Did you also add some values to Administration > Libraries > [Libraryname] > IP (the hint for this field is 'Can be entered as a single IP, or a subnet such as 192.168.1.'), then to remove them you need to update the branches table (select * from branches) - this is in the branchip column)
10:18 Joubu                then do what davidnind told you, open the mysql cli with the following command: `koha-mysql $INSTANCE` (replace $INSTANCE with your koha instance name). Then run the following query:
10:18 Joubu                UPDATE systempreferences SET value="0" WHERE variable='SessionRestrictionByIP';
10:20 davidnind            thanks Joubu!
10:20 davidnind            What did you change in your hosts file? (Not sure if that is relevant or not)
10:21 Joubu                and restart the services with: service memcached restart && service apache2 restart && service koha-common restart
10:22 saa                  when i run select * from branches i can see ip details
10:22 Joubu                The goal of SessionRestrictionByIP is not to restrict access to Koha btw
10:24 saa                  in my branchip there is IP value when I run command as select * from branches
10:24 Joubu                do one thing at a time
10:24 saa                  by running above UPDATE command it will solve my problem right?
10:25 Joubu                no idea!
10:25 davidnind            What is the value for the AutoLocation system preference? (SQL query - select * from systempreferences where variable="AutoLocation" (1 = Yes, 0 = No)
10:25 saa                  it is 1
10:25 Joubu                you told us the problem appeared right after you modified SessionRestrictionByIP, you are asking how to revert the change, we answer you
10:26 davidnind            That controls whether the values you entered in the IP field for a library are used
10:27 saa                  ok I will run UPDATE command now and should I restart memcached, apache2, plack
10:29 davidnind            What value is set for your AutoLocation system preference?
10:29 saa                  1
10:31 davidnind            to turn that off, the SQL query is: update systempreferences set value ='0' where variable='AutoLocation';
10:33 saa                  yes now it is changed
10:33 saa                  to 0
10:33 saa                  should i restart my koha-common, apache2, plack, memcached
10:33 saa                  is it necessary
10:34 davidnind            it won't hurt (hopefully), and it will clear anything in memory - I would myself, but I'm not a system administrator
10:41 saa                  I am sorry still it does same thing
10:41 saa                  it logs out and same error comes
10:44 Joubu                which error do you see on the screen?
10:44 saa                  Wed Jan 24 15:26:55.279305 2024] [proxy:warn] [pid 46286] [client 164.52.0.94:58035] AH01092: no HTTP 0.9 request (with no host line) on incoming request and preserve host set forcing hostname to be /cgi-bin/koha/errors/400.pl [Wed Jan 24 15:26:55.279414 2024] [proxy_http:error] [pid 46286] (70014)End of file found: [client 164.52.0.94:58035] AH01095: prefetch request body failed to 0.0.0.0:0 (httpd-UDS) from 164.52.0.94 () ~
10:44 saa                  my intranet log
10:45 Joubu                the Koha UI
10:46 Joubu                you should see the login form with a red message on top of it
10:46 saa                  the system logs in
10:46 saa                  only when I click on any tab it again logs out
10:47 saa                  and when  I click on any tab it logs out
10:49 Joubu                and...?
10:49 Joubu                it logs you out and you should see the login form, with a red messge on top of it
10:49 saa                  sorry there is no red message
10:49 saa                  it comes with login/password page
10:49 saa                  and if I enter login password it takes
10:50 saa                  but with every click it logs out and log in back
10:50 saa                  if I enter correct login and password
10:50 Joubu                which OS are you using?
10:50 saa                  Ubuntu 20.4
10:50 saa                  koha 23.05
10:51 Joubu                You should search for
10:51 Joubu                the apache error "AH01092"
10:51 Joubu                if you think it's related to the logout, and that Koha does not provide more info
10:51 Joubu                I don't have any more ideas, sory
10:51 Joubu                sorry
10:52 davidnind            while they shouldn't be in effect (as you've disabled AutoLocation), you can remove the IP address in the branches table: update branches set branchip=NULL where branchcode='XXX'; (where XXX = the branchcode)
10:52 saa                  let me try this command as well
10:53 davidnind            you said you changed your host file - what changes did you make to that? That may explain the errors in the logs(?)
10:54 saa                  i only added 127.0.1.1 as one link for my admin page and 127.0.1.1 opac with IP details
10:56 davidnind            I'd reverse the change you made there to see if it gets you back to a working system - you said the host file right, and not the Apache configuration?
10:56 saa                  no i did not change apache file
10:57 saa                  i only changed hosts file
11:01 saa                  hello update branches set branchip=NULL where branchcode='XXX' this worked
11:01 saa                  thanks tons to davidnid and joubu
11:01 saa                  i greatly appreciate your support
11:02 saa                  i struggled a lot and now it has been working
11:02 saa                  again and again thank you
11:02 saa                  saved my work
11:02 davidnind            it's a very long time since I did any networking configuration, so I don't know what effect the change you made to the hosts file would have
11:03 Joubu                this means the services have not been restarted properly, the change to AutoLocation should have been enough
11:03 davidnind            could you show the result of this query: select * from systempreferences where variable='AutoLocation';
11:03 davidnind            as Joubu says, that should have been enough
11:06 Joubu                the thing is... with AutoLocation active should not be able to login at all
11:07 davidnind            good point
11:11 davidnind            maybe networking was not restarted properly, I really don't know what having a hosts entry for 127.0.1.1 would do
11:12 davidnind            troubleshooting 101: reverse the changes you made that led to things not working (if you can...)
11:18 davidnind            Joubu: maybe it is a bug. I added a made up IP address to CPL > IP, then set AutoLocation to Yes - got similar results - can access some pages, but then logged out
11:18 Joubu                can you report please?
11:19 Joubu                [off] it's security
11:20 davidnind            I will do that now
11:22 davidnind            So add as a security bug instead of as a normal one?
11:27 ashimema             anyone here know virtualshelves much?
11:27 oleonard             HI #koha
11:28 ashimema             I'm confused by /includes/virtualshelves/merge/selection.tt
11:28 ashimema             first off.. it's in the includes directory but nested down and has .tt suffix
11:28 ashimema             and second it doesn't actually appear to be INCLUDEd anywhere
11:28 ashimema             it's it an ancient leftover to just kill?
11:28 ashimema             or does it do something
11:30 oleonard             It sure looks like an ancient leftover to me. I don't think I've ever noticed it before!
11:31 ashimema             you touched it a while ago to add button classes
11:31 ashimema             😜
11:31 ashimema             but I don't think it was used then either.. lol
11:32 oleonard             I'm not always paying attention when I write patches XD
11:32 ashimema             lol
11:37 oleonard             Aug 25 23:56:13 2009 - Adding Merge of two biblios from a virtualshelf
11:38 tcohen               goor morning #koha o/
11:40 ashimema             morning tcohen
11:42 oleonard             ashimema: the corresponding script doesn't exist anymore
11:43 ashimema             awesome, thanks oleonard
11:51 AndreJaneiro[m]      good morning everyone.
11:51 AndreJaneiro[m]      i am trying to get a sql report on the renewed borrowers in a time line, is it possible?
11:53 krimsonkharne[m]     good morning all!
11:54 krimsonkharne[m]     Andre Janeiro: you could check borrowers.date_renewed, however, that field is overwritten every time the borrower is renewed afaik
11:55 krimsonkharne[m]     so if you were looking for borrowers renewed in 2022 and some had renewed again in 2023, they would have the newer 2023 date in borrower.date_renewed and might not be found by your SQL report
11:56 davidnind            Joubu: Bug 35890 logged
11:56 huginn`              04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35890 is not accessible.
11:58 krimsonkharne[m]     Andre Janeiro: I suppose you could also check action_logs, as if you have borrower changes enabled for logging then you should have an entry in action_logs for each renewal
11:59 krimsonkharne[m]     so you could do something like SELECT timestampl
12:00 krimsonkharne[m]     s/timestampl/timestamp, module, action, object, info FROM action_logs WHERE module="MEMBERS" AND action="RENEW" AND timestamp BETWEEN ..../
12:01 krimsonkharne[m]     e.g.
12:01 krimsonkharne[m]     SELECT timestamp, module, action, object, info FROM action_logs WHERE module="MEMBERS" AND action="RENEW" AND timestamp BETWEEN TIMESTAMP(<<Date from|date>>) AND TIMESTAMP(<<Date to|date>>, "23:59:59")
12:02 krimsonkharne[m]     note I'm not a developer nor an SQL expert...
12:05 mtj                  https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-l10n/-/merge_requests/13
12:05 mtj                  hi Joubu, install fix looks like that ^
12:09 AndreJaneiro[m]      tks krimsonkharne i will try
12:10 krimsonkharne[m]     np, hope it helps :)
12:12 Joubu                mtj: is it a fix for both problems?
12:12 Joubu                mtj: we need it for stable branches as well
12:13 mtj                  which 2 problems?
12:14 Joubu                mtj: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2024-January/048473.html
12:14 Joubu                koha-common : Depends: koha-l10n but it is not going to be installed
12:14 mtj                  it fixed that problem
12:14 Joubu                not the same as https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-l10n/-/issues/1
12:15 Joubu                trying to overwrite '/usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/am-Ethi-installer-MARC21.po', which is also in package koha-common 23.05.04-2
12:15 mtj                  i think it fixes bothg problems
12:18 cait                 I coworker asked me earlier if it can be that the i10n package is getting updated with a pinned/hold koha-common package
12:19 cait                 he was going to investigate a bit more... but could this have anything to do with what you are discussing?
12:27 mtj                  hi cait, its probably related
12:29 mtj                  the problem is caused because both the old koha-common pkg, and the new koha-l10n pkg own the /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po files
12:30 mtj                  apt detects the conflict, and complains
12:30 cait                 we are building our own packages, but we use i18n of course, if you have anynotes of things we need to be aware of that would be appreciated
12:32 mtj                  ...we can fix the conflct by telling apt that koha-l10n will 'break and replace' koha-common pkg
12:33 mtj                  https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-l10n/-/merge_requests/13/diffs?commit_id=15b7e0612920019b203eb69b4999a2d2ba4c305f
12:33 marcelr              o/
12:34 mtj                  https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#overwriting-files-in-other-packages
12:34 mtj                  ... has a bit more info ^
12:36 mtj                  For example, if a package foo is split into foo and foo-data starting at version 1.2-3, foo-data would have the fields, in its control file.
12:36 mtj                  Replaces: foo (<< 1.2-3)
12:36 mtj                  Breaks: foo (<< 1.2-3)
12:36 mtj                  hi marcelr :)
12:37 marcelr              hi mtj
12:38 marcelr              cait, the first issue is the name; i typed an i too but it is l10n
12:38 marcelr              l of languages
12:40 paulderscheid[m]     cait around?
12:44 Joubu                marcelr, tcohen: moving on bug 35819?
12:44 huginn`              04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35819 critical, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , "No job found" error for BatchUpdateBiblioHoldsQueue (race condition)
12:45 thd                  pauldersheid[m]: I have been delayed posting my configuration, etc. findings for Discourse.  Repairs at my place and other things interrupted me.  I even lost my primary electric circuit for a week with a short in a hard wired lamp fixture.
12:46 paulderscheid[m]     Sorry to hear that thd
12:48 marcelr              Joubu: i wait for tcohen to move (as author)
12:49 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  I am having decades old repairs fixed from damage from leaks etc. before I occupied the place.  However, the people doing work which the landlord sent to work only spoke Russian and old did half a good job.  Consequently, I have to finish the work myself with a neighbour who works in construction.
12:52 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  Have you tested docker-mailserver which includes Postfix or some other means of routing email for Discourse?  A mail server is needed for Discourse and the documentation only recommends proprietary mail services which is bad and also leads to trouble when bounced messages result in account cancellation.
12:53 cait                 I am here
12:53 cait                 meeting in 5
12:54 paulderscheid[m]     We have a mail server from a community member readily available.
12:54 paulderscheid[m]     Hi cait I'm a little confused, how would you map biblio and biblioitems in RDA terms?
12:54 paulderscheid[m]     biblio => Expression,
12:54 paulderscheid[m]     biblioitem => Manifestation?
12:59 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  The WEMI RDA model does not map perfectly to Koha.   The Koha bibliographic relationship was devised before FRBR and RDA.
13:01 cait                 MEETING NOW!
13:01 cait                 paulderscheid[m]: that's a topic for tomorrrow I think
13:02 cait                 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 24 January 2024
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13:03 cait                 #topic Introductions
13:03 oleonard             #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
13:03 Joubu                #link https://meet.jit.si/KohaDevelopmentMeeting
13:03 cait                 Please introduce yourself with info and join us on Jitsi
13:03 cait                 #chair Joubu
13:03 huginn`              Current chairs: Joubu cait
13:03 Joubu                #info Jonathan Druart
13:03 cait                 #chair marcelr
13:03 huginn`              Current chairs: Joubu cait marcelr
13:03 cait                 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
13:03 paulderscheid[m]     #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Stuttgart, Germany
13:03 marcelr              #info Marcel de Rooy
13:03 Joubu                ashimema, tcohen https://meet.jit.si/KohaDevelopmentMeeting
13:04 Joubu                paulderscheid[m]: join us
13:04 thd                  #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
13:04 cait                 #chair oleonard
13:04 huginn`              Current chairs: Joubu cait marcelr oleonard
13:05 cait                 #topic Annoucements
13:06 cait                 #info oleonard reports progress on the Bootstrap 5 update
13:06 cait                 moving on to next topic
13:06 cait                 #topic Update from the Release Manager
13:07 emlam                #info Emily Lamancusa, MCPL, USA
13:07 cait                 #topic Katrin plans to catch up on pushing patches for the rest of the week
13:07 cait                 #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
13:07 cait                 #info No Rmaints present
13:08 ashimema             Hi
13:08 ashimema             Sorry, traffic after swim
13:08 ashimema             #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
13:08 cait                 #info monthly release will be a little delayed
13:10 cait                 #topic Updates from the QA team
13:11 cait                 #info queue is quite full with 150, good news is that we have about the same number of sign-offs, the number of bugs is relatively small, but we have a large pile of older enhancements that need to be adressed
13:20 cait                 #info Some discussion about gamification, motivation for QA and testing happened
13:25 cait                 #topic Status of roadmap projects
13:25 cait                 #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Road_map_24.05 road map
13:40 cait                 #info check the road map page for coming updateson status
13:41 cait                 #topic Actions from last meeting
13:41 cait                 #info no actions from last meeting!
13:41 cait                 #topic General development discussion
13:41 AshishKumar[m]       hi
13:42 AshishKumar[m]       my college want to implement koha library facility
13:43 cait                 #info RM will be on vacation from 8-23 February - RM assistants will take over
13:47 cait                 #info CSRF bug has been discussed needs more eyes - if you don#t have access get in touch with Release Team
13:48 cait                 #topic Review of coding guidelines
13:48 cait                 #info no items to discuss
13:48 cait                 #topic Set time of next meeting
13:50 Joubu                #info Next meeting: 7 February 2024, 13 UTC
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13:53 cait                 thx all!
13:53 oleonard             cait++
13:53 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  Before the meeting started I was about to say something about MARC Koha and WEMI.
13:54 Joubu                cait: done. If you want the jitsi link, etc. you need to edit the template
13:55 Joubu                https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_Template
13:55 Joubu                this is what is used to generate the next meeting
13:56 paulderscheid[m]     thd I saw
13:56 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  Koha had some sort of half-reasonable WEMI model prior to MARC Koha which was an adaptation of the the relational database model as was FRBR and explicitly stated in the original FRBR publications.
14:00 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  When Paul Poulain was developing MARC Koha, he had not recognised the WEMI like model in Koha and some levels became flattened such that every record was a manifestation record as with traditional MARC bibliographic systems.
14:02 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  Some subsequent work has at least partly unflattened Koha such that the common keys at the different levels are not necessarily redundant but the code may otherwise still imply the redundancy.
14:05 paulderscheid[m]     Yeah, but it's still not a one-to-one mapping to the terminology. That's what threw me off (although it shouldn't have).
14:05 paulderscheid[m]     joubu, there's a remote branch w/ the changes for bug 34478?
14:05 huginn`              04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34478 is not accessible.
14:05 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  Ultimately to implement WEMI we need a new data model into which MARC records feed data and act as an exchange format but not the representation and indexing format.  One of the goals of BIBFRAME was to be a relationship model, not a record model.
14:06 Joubu                marcelr: about your translation problem, did you see bug 35567? seems related
14:06 huginn`              04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35567 minor, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, Pushed to oldstable , Host-item in "Show analytics" link can be translated
14:06 marcelr              will have a look, thx
14:08 marcelr              they solved it inline, just hoping for a smart solution :)
14:08 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  Yes, there is an identify of number of elements originally for the same purpose as WEMI without an identity to WEMI.
14:14 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  A good model would be a hyper model combining many different record formats into some super data format with also fine granularity to avoid semantic loss which could ingest MARC 21, UNIMARC, Dublin Core, ERMS, WikiData, etc.
14:14 cait                 Joubu: I'll put it on my todo... but not sad if someone does it before me
14:19 thd                  pauldersheid[m]:  The University of California Union Catalog, MELVYL, had MARC based super records in the 1980s which combined data from all the records in the system.  The US academic libraries system RLIN, subsequently absorbed by OCLC, sometimes used super records.
14:22 NikolayGospodinov[m] Hello. I have a question. Do you have scanned newspapers that you are viewing in Koha. If you have can you give me access to see what they look like?
14:23 cait                 we would only have links to some external repository for digitzied things
14:23 cait                 not something stored or viewed in Koha
14:24 NikolayGospodinov[m] Can I look into those?
14:25 cait                 as I said it#s only a link
14:25 NikolayGospodinov[m] okey
14:25 cait                 I'll find an example still sec
14:26 cait                 [off] https://bibliothekskatalog.bbf.dipf.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=242224&query_desc=kw%2Cwrdl%3A%20digitalisierung
14:26 cait                 the "Digitalisat" links should be the right ones
14:26 NikolayGospodinov[m] okey
14:26 NikolayGospodinov[m] thank ypu
14:27 NikolayGospodinov[m] you
14:27 marcelr              thx emlam++
14:27 emlam                np :)
14:32 cait                 got to run - will try to entangle things tomorrow again
14:32 cait                 bye all!
14:34 thd                  Joubu:  You should change the configuration of the other BibLibre managed mailing lists to support DMARC to minimise  mail going unseen in spam boxes for Gmail, etc. in February.  I have 28 pages of comments about configuring Discourse migrating users and data etc.  There is no simple route to a good inclusive configuration of Discourse for the Koha community even with a blank slate approach with no migration of data or users, there is much to
14:34 thd                  set up, configure, and test.
14:35 thd                  Joubu: is_list set to "Munge From".
14:35 thd                  dmarc_moderation_action set to "Munge From" for the rest of the BibLibre lists.
14:36 Joubu                please open a bug report
14:36 thd                  Joubu, there is one open.
14:37 * thd                finds it.
14:38 thd                  https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34927
14:38 huginn`              04Bug 34927: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, NEW , Adding DMARC compatibility to mailing lists
14:38 thd                  I will add a new comment.
14:40 Joubu                yes, please add a comment, as small as possible, with what needs to be done.
15:16 lukeg                hi
15:17 caroline             Hi lukeg!
15:18 blawlor[m]           lukeg: hi
17:08 reiveune             bye
18:14 tcohen               Joubu: what has changed in Vue-land regarding flatpikr
20:36 aleisha              hello all
20:44 caroline             mtj around?
20:50 caroline             well, bad news, restarting my computer did not fix the docker problem :(
20:50 caroline             It still stops at "Inserting /kohadevbox/koha/installer/data/mysql/mandatory/account_offset_types.sql"
20:51 caroline             A little bit above that, there is an error message from mysql
20:51 pastebot             "caroline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "ktd error message" (44 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/36495
20:55 caroline             Are those files the ones in my main koha git? I can't find the kohadevbox directory, but I know where the installer/data/mysql/etc is in the git
20:56 emlam                I think kohadevbox is the virtual directory docker creates when it starts up, but it does mostly lead to the "real" files in the git
20:57 caroline             ok thanks emlam!
20:57 emlam                no problem! good luck!
20:58 caroline             I see a lot of crap when I do `git status` so I will try cleaning that up. Hopefully it's the source of *all* my problems (lol!)
21:05 paulderscheid[m]     That's a strange error :D
21:06 caroline             I cleaned everything, and redid ktd up....
21:06 * caroline           croses fingers
21:06 caroline             *crosses
21:09 caroline             oh I think it went past the point where it usually stopped!
21:09 paulderscheid[m]     That's good!
21:09 caroline             koha-testing-docker has started up and is ready to be enjoyed!
21:09 emlam                hooray!
21:09 paulderscheid[m]     🎊
21:14 davidnind            excellent!
21:16 caroline             since wahanui is not here to say it: darn tootin' it is!
21:17 davidnind            I miss that!
21:17 davidnind            I'm a bit late in starting today, so good to see you managed to solve it!
21:26 davidnind            My KTD work flow process for bug testing is normally:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/uuXKFumIHFESMSdHmKhjcekF>)
21:56 aleisha              caroline, a good chance those ktd problems are because of leftover files!
21:57 aleisha              a clean git checkout should work much better
21:57 caroline             it surely points to that. I'm not sure what I did to have so many untracked files, probably a reset or something
22:07 caroline             Is this order correct? If left empty, it will fall back to the first defined address in the following list: library reply-to, library email, ReplytoDefault, KohaAdminEmailAddress.
22:07 caroline             (For AcquisitionsReplytoDefault)
22:07 caroline             I thought it was library reply-to, ReplytoDefault, library email, KohaAdminEmailAddress.
22:08 caroline             (ReplytoDefault before the library email)
22:16 caroline             In the library form, it says the library reply-to falls back to ReplytoDefault, not the library's email... I find this confusing
22:32 davidnind            I find that I get left over files when the CSS is update (yarn builds, etc), and with translations
22:33 davidnind            No experience with the order of the reply to addresses, seems confusing to me (as you described!)
22:47 aleisha              <caroline> I thought it was library reply-to, ReplytoDefault, library email, KohaAdminEmailAddress.
22:47 aleisha              i think youre right that it should probably be this!