Time Nick Message
04:16 bwv582 I'm trying to upgrade to the current stable version but koha-upgrade-schema is erroring out with: ERROR - {UNKNOWN}: DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot change column 'itemnumber': used in a foreign key constraint 'tmp_holdsqueue_ibfk_1' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Installer.pm line 741
05:08 davidnind bwv582: this error is bug 35687 - you may be able to update the database using the queries in the patches
05:08 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35687 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Upgrade to 23.06.00.013 may fail
07:16 reiveune hello
08:00 magnuse \o/
08:13 cait good morning #koha
08:14 fridolin y-hello-w #koha
08:17 ashimema morning
08:18 cait hi fridolin
08:19 cait fridolin: I haven't heard back from fredericdem and lukeg yet, and no string frezes
08:19 cait but I'll try to sort out the security branch in a bit
08:20 cait fridolin: are you back in France now?
08:20 fridolin cait: yes i am
08:20 fridolin i live in Avignon south of France
08:20 cait nice :)
08:20 fridolin string freeze sent this morning
08:21 cait yep, you are good :)
08:21 fridolin so cheese every day :D
08:21 fridolin and wine
08:21 cait no cheese in Tahiti?
08:21 fridolin bearly not
08:21 cait that must have been hard
08:21 fridolin I'll be at HackFest in Marseille this year
08:22 cait I hope I'll be too
08:22 cait waiting for instructions on registration
08:22 fridolin but not in KohaCon sadly
08:22 cait so I can write my travel request
08:22 fridolin we are on organisation currently, dont hesitate to contact Paul
08:23 cait already did ;)
08:29 krimsonkharne[m] morning all :)
08:29 cait good morning
08:30 krimsonkharne[m] waves
08:31 krimsonkharne[m] I have a meeting an hour earlier, hope I can make it to the general meeting today..
08:31 cait I won't be around, I need to leave early today
08:55 ashimema My team and I are all going to hackfest
09:05 fridolin ashimema great \o/ we will try new bars ;)
09:09 ashimema I think the powers that be had a bit of a meeting about how to fit us all in yesterday đ
09:52 cait yeah, there has been some worry - that's why I was asking for info
09:54 NikolayGospodinov[m] Hello. I have the following problem. After reindexing the zebra, when I search for a document in Koha it returns no result. This is the result from the reindexing the zebra: Records exported: 485445 12:04:13 [00:09:20]... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/pccMvhZMRiApQaaqaQuMzGHl>)
09:56 cait how do you index?
09:56 cait as someone said yesterday it doess look like it could be a permissionissue
09:56 cait what's the command you use for reindexing?
09:57 NikolayGospodinov[m] sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library
10:04 cait and the output is ok?
10:05 magnuse see the link to matrix.org above. looks like something is not right: "zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/k7000/authorities/norm..LCK [No such file or directory]"
10:05 cait ah that is the output
10:05 cait I think maybe ty and make sure tthe files exist and are owned by your koha's instance user?
10:06 ashimema dare I saw I'm considering dropping matrix.. I thought it was getting better, but with each feature introduced it seems to get less reliable on the irc bridging front âšī¸
10:07 ashimema I really wish we could migrate wholesale to a modern chat system though âšī¸
10:07 magnuse ashimema: like mattermost or rocket?
10:08 ashimema mmm
10:08 ashimema I dunno.. we've tried various times in the past to use those but we've never managed to get the adoption
10:08 ashimema isn't mattermost another bridging thing ?
10:09 ashimema it's been a while since I looked into this stuff
10:09 NikolayGospodinov[m] ok
10:09 cait the only thing I'd like is an easy way for people to get in
10:10 cait like not having to jump hoops getting an invite etc. - but if we need to bite that bullet.... we can still discuss it
10:10 ashimema kinda fed up of all the chat clients I have to run though... telegram, signal, slack, whatsapp, matrix, irc, discord, zoom, element.. that's a crazy set to just manage to stay in touch with various projects I'm involved in âšī¸
10:11 ashimema I'm in the "community" slack too.. but I agree it's hurdles to join, and there's not a momentum of people in there either
10:11 cait yeah.... it's a lot for personal use already too
10:13 aw-bib[m] tcohen was very fast on bug 29930 and I just signed off his test case (which I now try to understand). do I need to change the status somehow or is `signed off` what it should be?
10:13 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29930 normal, P5 - low, ---, janik.hilser, Signed Off , 'cardnumber' overwritten with userid when not maped (LDAP auth)
10:14 magnuse ashimema: nah, mattermost is like slack. the swedish koha network moved from slack to mattermost recently
10:14 ashimema yeah, I was impressed.. he beat me đ
10:14 ashimema the challenge is hosting something
10:15 ashimema oftc hosting irc for free for us is a big win
10:15 magnuse yeah
10:15 cait aw-bib[m]: signed-off is correct
10:16 cait ideally you could add your sign-off line to the patch
10:16 cait I think you reattached only one, but not both
10:16 cait do you need some help with that?
10:17 cait signing off mulitple patches that is
10:22 magnuse ashimema: "community" slack = the koha-US one?
10:22 ashimema yeah, they sent a mail out a while ago opening it up
10:23 ashimema but it's still rather Koha-US branded
10:23 ashimema well... the signup is at least
10:23 ashimema there's 131 people signed up to it, but very low traffic
10:24 ashimema and so far all I see it US activity
10:24 ashimema I like the look of Mattermost
10:24 ashimema it's come a long way since I last looked
10:36 * magnuse joined the Koha-US slack a while back
10:36 magnuse yeah, Mattermost seems good from what i have seen so far. i was happy with rocket when i tested it a few years back too
10:37 ashimema I liked rocket, but yeah.. it was empty.. people didn't migrate so I killed it off again
10:39 ashimema Do we have any kind of plan as to when +strings is more appropriate than adding 'embed' ?
10:39 ashimema thinking about bug 35744 in particular
10:39 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Implement +strings for GET /patrons/:patron_id
10:40 aw-bib[m] @cait I added only one as bz told me that the other is already there. so I changed the initial HEAD~2 to HEAD.
10:40 huginn` aw-bib[m]: downloading the Perl source
10:40 cait what we'd usually do is
10:40 cait git so 2
10:40 cait git bz attach -e HEAD~2..
10:41 cait overwriting what is already there with the new signed-off patches
10:42 cait when you uploaded only one of both, the sequence of the patches on the bug changed - that can cause problems, in this case it's probably alright, but in other patch sets it could create issues
10:42 aw-bib[m] ok, I was unsure about the overwrite. but of course I can do this. takes a moment.
10:45 aw-bib[m] cait: better now?
10:46 cait perfect :)
10:49 aw-bib[m] . o O ( updating own readme )
11:35 magnuse aw-bib[m]++
11:41 davewood our background jobs are stuck. 4 workers are running, rabbitmq is running. /cgi-bin/koha/admin/background_jobs.pl shows Progress null/1
11:41 davewood i am seeing the same issue on various koha instances.
11:43 davewood actually the jobs are not stuck but something might have spammed the job queue because i am seeing lots of jobs with the same create timestamp
11:43 davewood different koha versions too. 23.05.04.000 and 22.11.06.000 Rosalie to name two
11:55 tcohen morning #koha o/
12:31 krimsonkharne[m] more meetings incoming today, I won't be able to join the general meeting later
12:32 ashimema seems to be the season for meetings đ
12:32 ashimema I'm juggling two at a time mostly today
12:41 cait tcohen++ # rebase help and general awesomeness
13:11 magnuse ashimema: is there a season that is not for meatings? ;-)
13:11 magnuse *meetings
13:11 ashimema I wish
13:11 thd tcohen: I have a question about traefik.
13:38 tcohen hola thd
13:38 thd hola
13:38 tcohen what is it?
13:39 thd I have been trying to configure Traefik on my own VPS to use my pre-existing TLS certs.
13:41 tcohen thd: that's well documented as far as I can tell
13:41 tcohen https://doc.traefik.io/traefik/https/tls/
13:42 thd tcohen: When I have tried the supposed well documented method I am lucky to have a 404 error.
13:43 tcohen do you have a working traefik and are trying to add TLS for a specific site?
13:43 thd tcohen: Traefik is working with self signed certs.
13:44 tcohen letsencrypt?
13:44 thd There seems to be no reason to obtain redundant certs when I already have wildcard certs for most of my domains.
13:45 tcohen ah, yes
13:45 thd Yes, letsencrypt certbot using rfc1236.
13:46 tcohen I have only used the traefik-negotiated letsencrypt certs with it
13:46 tcohen my sysadmin is back at the end of the month, I know he has set some godaddy certs with traefik for a customer
13:48 thd Also, where do the logs go when a container reboots continuously from some trivial docker-compose error.
13:49 thd Who do you find an error from a continuously restarting container?
13:49 thd s/Who/How/
13:49 tcohen how are you running it?
13:50 thd sudo docker compose -up d
13:51 tcohen if your docker compose has the --logs and --access parameters for the command...
13:51 tcohen you should be able to
13:51 tcohen docker logs -f <service>
13:51 ashimema should there be a jitsi link for the meeting later
13:54 thd Well that works.
13:57 aude_c[m] <ashimema> "should there be a jitsi link for..." <- If these are on Jitsi now, we can make one?
13:57 ashimema seems there isn't one.. I'm happy going irc only.. I have a feeling there's not going to be all that many attendees.. the agenda is short too
13:58 * fridolin is present but at home with kids so IRC is fine
13:58 thd I have not quite understood the distinction between static and dynamic Traefik configurations other than obtaining acme certificates may not work properly with a static Traefik configuration which might be accidentally invoked by picking some option which only works in static mode or using a commands section in docker-compose .
13:59 aude_c[m] In this case: gentle warning that there will be an IRC meeting starting in 2min https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_17_January_2024
14:00 thd Is this an actual IRC meeting?
14:01 aude_c[m] Yes for today, unless people express a preference for using Jitsi.
14:01 aude_c[m] (like, right now)
14:01 ashimema #startmeeting General IRC meeting 17 January 2024
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14:01 ashimema #chair aude_c
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14:01 huginn` Current chairs: ashimema aude_c
14:01 ashimema #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_17_January_2024 Agenda
14:01 ashimema #topic Introductions
14:01 ashimema #info Please introduce yourself for the minutes with an #info
14:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:02 aude_c[m] #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK
14:02 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
14:02 georgew #info George Williams, Northeast Kansas Library System
14:02 ashimema oooh, there are a few people here đ
14:02 ashimema #info Katrin asked Aude and I to step in and chair, she sends her apologies, she has a clash.
14:02 emlam #info Emily Lamancusa, Montgomery County Public Libraries, USA
14:02 Brendan__CLAMS #info Brendan Lawlor, CLAMS, Hyannis, MA, USA
14:02 jzairo #info Jessica Zairo, ByWater
14:03 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi
14:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [power and light is back on]
14:04 aude_c[m] #topic Announcements
14:04 ashimema brill, lots of friendly people đ
14:04 aude_c[m] Almost regretting not setting up Jitsi link
14:04 aude_c[m] #info Happy new year everyone! đ
14:04 aude_c[m] Any other announcements? :)
14:05 Brendan__CLAMS it's my first time attending an IRC meeting, so I'm kinda glad you didn't set up a jitsi this time
14:05 ashimema #info No specific announcements from the RM, we've started pushing enhancements and she's working through the queues now. Please keep QAing, that queue is rather high.
14:05 thd I notice that there is no Jitsi link for next week's development meeting.
14:06 * ashimema hasn't done the jitsi links before.. so I'm not sure how they're done.. hence not getting one in there when I noticed a little last minute a few minutes ago
14:06 aude_c[m] #action aude_c to let cait know there is no Jitsi link for next week's development meeting
14:07 aude_c[m] It's super easy and I could do it in seconds if people here wish to see each other's faces
14:07 ashimema No marcelr, so I'll re-iterate the call to arms around QA in his stead
14:07 * oleonard is happy to stick with IRC today
14:07 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
14:07 thd ashimema: They seem to be fairly generic unless I have missed something.
14:07 ashimema #info QA queues are high, lets bolster efforts a little team đ
14:08 ashimema I think that's all the noted announcements I had.. does anyone else here have anything they'd like recorded?
14:08 ashimema ooh, hackfest
14:10 ashimema #info There will be a Marseille Hackfest again this year, a little later though from 8th - 12th April. Biblibre have moved offices, so numbers may be a little more limited, but they are investigating additional office space options right now.
14:10 ashimema lets move on then
14:10 ashimema #topic KohaCon24 update
14:10 aude_c[m] #topic KohaCon24 update
14:10 aude_c[m] #info Caroline posted an update.
14:11 aude_c[m] #link https://2024.kohacon.org/kohacon-2024-learning-and-building-together/
14:11 aude_c[m] #info Dates for KohaCon 2024 announced! 23 to 27 September
14:11 aude_c[m] #info The call for proposals is open too. Use the link from the website or go straight to https://sondagebiblio.org/index.php/835536?lang=en
14:11 Brendan__CLAMS is there any way to participate in the hackfest remotely?
14:11 ashimema excellent đ
14:12 fridolin Brendan__CLAMS: Hi, it is not usally with a virtual connexion
14:12 fridolin any with the small place it migth be difficult
14:12 fridolin but everyone still is on IRC
14:12 ashimema The Marseille Hackfest tends to take a fairly organic approach.. i.e. the agenda gets built as we go.. However, there's often some zoom/jitsi etc interactions.. so if you're interested in joining any particular discussions or bringing anything in particular up I'm sure something can be arranged.
14:13 fridolin yep
14:13 Brendan__CLAMS Cool! thank you
14:13 fridolin we have the same need with corporate meetings
14:13 ashimema For example, we've had join EDI calls with the Swedish user groups in the past
14:13 caroline sorry, I just came in, but I think everything has been said
14:13 ashimema and erm demonstrations..
14:14 fridolin we may also record and broadcast some talks
14:14 ashimema keeping an 'ear' on irc is the best way to not miss something that's a little on the spur of the moment.
14:14 aude_c[m] Anything else on Hackfest or KohaCon?
14:14 ashimema as for the KohaCon hackfest section.. I'll leave Caroline to elaborate there if there's anytihng to say đ
14:15 caroline Nothing is set in stone. The "conference" part is for sure streamed online. We have no plan for streaming hackfest workshops, but we can surely do jitsi meets to include remote people
14:17 ashimema #info KohaCon24 conference very likely to be streamed, HackFest may include Jitsi meets to allow remote attendance, but more informally at the moment.
14:17 ashimema shall we move on..
14:17 ashimema #topic Actions from last meeting
14:17 caroline conference *for sure* streamed :)
14:17 aude_c[m] #info All actions completed :D
14:17 ashimema Looks like we just have one leftover action which I think is a copy/paste from the last agenda đ
14:18 aude_c[m] Unless anyone wants to own up to another action? đ
14:18 aude_c[m] #topic General business
14:18 ashimema not guitly.. this time
14:19 aude_c[m] #info Do we want to start naming releases - or not? There was some discussion on bug 35504
14:19 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35504 blocker, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to stable , Release team 24.05
14:19 aude_c[m] #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35504
14:19 huginn` 04Bug 35504: blocker, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to stable , Release team 24.05
14:20 ashimema 22.11 actually had the first codename, 'Rosalie' as a dedication to Rosalie Blake.
14:20 ashimema The discussion on bug 35504 was around adopting codenames more regularly and perhaps celebrating the current cycle having our first female in the Release Manager role.
14:20 thd Is the bug citation the correct bug number?
14:21 ashimema yeah.. discussion was 'an asside' in that bug
14:21 aude_c[m] Yes, but the discussion is in the early comments
14:21 aude_c[m] https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35504#c2
14:21 huginn` 04Bug 35504: blocker, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to stable , Release team 24.05
14:21 ashimema the codename was not added in the bug before we discus the idea here and get some sort of consensus.
14:21 oleonard I find the date numbering system to be so useful I don't think the naming of releases needs to be standard, but I'm happy to see it happen for special occasions.
14:22 fridolin +1
14:22 ashimema I agree.. I suppose the question is.. 'Is our first female rm a special occassion đ '
14:22 fridolin ++
14:22 caroline I think that would be something to celebrate!
14:22 ashimema I certainly wouldn't want to switch away from the date system.. codenames are 'extras' in my eyes
14:23 oleonard I have a feeling cait would not want the release to be named after her
14:23 ashimema I suppose 3.14 sorta had a codename too.. it was 'Pie'
14:23 caroline It doesn't have to be her name
14:23 aude_c[m] #info Several people agree that naming of releases doesn't need to happen as the standard, but could happen for special occasions
14:23 fridolin we may use somthing close like "Catarina"
14:24 ashimema haha, indeed.. when I suggested he idea to her, she was more onboard with naming it after another famous women in tech đ
14:24 Brendan__CLAMS how about Henriette for the programmer who created marc
14:24 aude_c[m] That sounds cool
14:24 oleonard A dubious distinction XD
14:24 thd ;)
14:24 Brendan__CLAMS lol
14:25 ashimema I like that.. catches 'Library' and 'Technology' in one hit
14:25 Brendan__CLAMS and women in library and tech
14:25 oleonard And it's a cool name
14:26 fridolin a french touch
14:26 aude_c[m] #info Should we treat our first woman Release Manager as a "special occasion" and therefore name the 24.05 release? If so, what could this name be? (that our RM herself would agree with)
14:26 aude_c[m] Are we talking about Henriette Avram? https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0605/avram.html
14:26 ashimema Shall I open a bug for it and we can put suggestions there for a vote next meeting?
14:26 TriveniChandriki[m] Good evening all
14:26 thd I assume that everyone now knows that MARC is well preserved inside BibFrame as some major academic libraries objected to everything being left out of the original simple design of BibFrame
14:27 TriveniChandriki[m] Can we increase barcode text
14:27 oleonard TriveniChandriki[m]: we are in a meeting at the moment
14:27 aude_c[m] #info Suggestion of Henriette Avram, who created MARC
14:27 TriveniChandriki[m] Oh sorry carry on
14:28 oleonard [off] Good for Henriette for getting out of the NSA and into LOC
14:28 aude_c[m] #action ashimema to open a new bug to collect suggestions, so a vote can take place at a future meeting.
14:28 Brendan__CLAMS maybe the LOC job was just a cover lol
14:29 ashimema #info bug 35829 opened to collect suggestions for a release codename.
14:29 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Codename for 24.05
14:29 caroline ashimema++
14:29 thd Much of what LC does is a cover for something. It is Congress' library, though, not the president's.
14:30 aude_c[m] Any other business (not on the agenda but that people would like to put forward now)?
14:30 ashimema OK.. did we have any other topics or business people would like to raise/discuss?
14:30 ashimema haha
14:30 ashimema thanks aude_c
14:30 aude_c[m] đ
14:31 ashimema ok.. seems it's rather quiet on that front
14:31 ashimema #topic Set date and time for the next meeting
14:31 ashimema I've lost track.. what's the cadence of general meetings these days?
14:32 aude_c[m] đ¤ˇââī¸
14:32 thd They might be only twice a year now.
14:32 caroline I think it's every 6 months or something...
14:32 ashimema last one was July by the looks
14:32 ashimema so 2 a year?
14:32 georgew I think the last meeting was in July of 2023
14:32 ashimema yup
14:33 aude_c[m] In 2023 there are wiki pages for meetings in April and July... and January 2024 (need to fix that category)
14:33 ashimema the developer meetings are more frequent and we can always choose to call an extra one from one of those.
14:33 fridolin maybe at the end of this cycle
14:33 aude_c[m] But if you want a decision for naming 24.05, you'll need to vote at an earlier meeting
14:33 ashimema we'll want one in early May I would think.. to vote the next team
14:33 thd ... with the provision for calling some extra general meeting if really necessary.
14:33 ashimema that's scary.. already thinking about the next cycle now
14:34 ashimema lets say early may
14:34 fridolin sounds good
14:34 ashimema and we can perhaps vote on names at a dev meeting with extended invites
14:34 aude_c[m] Right, this was the 3rd Wednesday in January. Third Wednesday in May is 15th. How does that sound? Or the week before?
14:35 georgew I think May 8 is better
14:35 ashimema I reckon 8th
14:35 ashimema as 22nd is the proposed release date in general
14:35 fridolin oh it is a holiday in France, May 8
14:35 fridolin second WW
14:36 ashimema ok..
14:36 ashimema 15th better for the french frido?
14:36 fridolin 15th sound better indeed
14:36 ashimema still gives us a week to collar any extra's we want to pull in for the team
14:36 ashimema OK.. 15th
14:36 fridolin we have May 1 and 8 free so many are on extended holidays
14:36 ashimema does this time work well for people?
14:36 georgew I'll make it work
14:37 Brendan__CLAMS sounds good to me
14:37 oleonard Yes, this time is good
14:37 ashimema #info Next meeting: 15 May 2024, 14 UTC
14:37 aude_c[m] Thanks everyone!
14:37 ashimema we can tweak the time a little if I've got timezones and daylight savings wrong đ
14:38 fridolin thanks a lot for chairing
14:38 ashimema #info Thanks to everyone who attended đ
14:38 ashimema #endmeeting
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14:38 caroline ashimema++ aude_c++
14:38 ashimema thanks for your help there aude_c
14:40 oleonard aude_c[m]++
14:40 oleonard ashimema++
14:41 * ashimema slinks off to his next meeting..
14:41 thd Henriette++
14:42 caroline TriveniChandriki[m], I don't think it's possible to increase the font of the barcode numbers, if that's what you meant
14:43 kellym aude_c++ @ashimema++
14:43 caroline re bug 30819
14:43 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30819 normal, P5 - low, ---, thibaud.guillot, NEW , Not able to adjust size of the plain text barcode below the actual barcode
14:44 ashimema you might be able to do something with CSS somewhere for those barcode numbers?
14:44 ashimema pass
14:45 oleonard Do we not display the hold cancellation reason anywhere?
14:45 oleonard Is it only used in notices?
14:47 oleonard Oh now I see it on the holds history page in the staff interface
14:47 caroline Yes I just tried it, it's on that page
14:47 caroline checking the opac too
14:47 oleonard Shouldn't it also be in the OPAC?
14:49 caroline yeah, it's not in the OPAC.... I don't know if we want it there? I think for transparency it's good, but a lot of libraries want stuff hidden in hte opac for practical reasons
14:50 caroline It's an authorised value correct? We could show the "OPAC description" of the reason so libraries could put a user-friendly reason in the OPAC description and a staff reason in the description...
14:51 ashimema yup
14:51 ashimema that's what I'd expect
14:51 ashimema though do we fallback to staff description if opac is empty.. I can't remember
14:51 caroline normally yes
14:51 ashimema might be nice if you could hide from opac just by leaving the value blank
14:51 ashimema but that would be a big change to current flows
14:52 caroline I always instruct clients to write an OPAC description only if they want it to be different in the OPAC
14:52 caroline otherwise, the regular description is used both in staff and opac
14:53 ashimema exactly
14:53 ashimema so it would be an entirely different thing to hide in opac instead
14:53 ashimema anywho.. I'm spitballing
14:53 ashimema đ
14:53 oleonard Put in the OPAC description for every hold cancellation reason: "To reiterate, the hold was cancelled"
14:53 caroline lol!
14:54 caroline yeah, it would have to be a preference imo, or maybe a different table column that we could hide in table settings
14:57 aude_c[m] Regarding the General meeting... I think you guys use the magic script to generate the next meeting page? Leaving that to the people who know đŦ
14:58 aude_c[m] I've added the links of the minutes and date of next meeting to today's page (and fixed the categories), but someone still needs to generate the next meeting page and add it to Next IRC meetings
14:59 ashimema I'll ask Joubu about it.. the script hasn't worked for me in a while
15:01 aude_c[m] Thanks
15:01 aude_c[m] ashimema++
15:02 Brendan__CLAMS is this a place where I can ask about how a part of Koha code works?
15:02 oleonard Yes
15:02 georgew The way to have an authorized value description be visible in the staff interface and appear blank in the OPAC is to put a blank space in the OPAC description for that authorized value
15:03 caroline thanks georgew! I wondered if that was possible or if it only considered the space as "nothing" therefore using the regular description
15:03 Brendan__CLAMS I started working on this bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35746 got something partly implemented but now I'm stuck
15:04 huginn` 04Bug 35746: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, blawlor, NEW , Multiple selections for parameters used in the IN function
15:04 georgew I've used that trick in the past. I'm imagining it still works
15:04 oleonard georgew: The only problem with that is if the authval is displayed inside parentheses you'll get "( )"
15:04 georgew Yes.
15:05 georgew I had to step away for a minute so I only caught part of the conversation, so I'm not sure what the context is. Which authorized value are you messing around with?
15:06 oleonard georgew: We're talking about whether hold cancellation reasons should appear in the OPAC on the patron's holds history page
15:06 oleonard Brendan__CLAMS: That will be very cool if you're able to get it working (I'm no help unfortunately)
15:09 Brendan__CLAMS the main problem is that all the sql_param_names and the sql_params in the url get stored as arrays, and then handled one at a time, the multi select just sends extra sql_params in the url and I need to somehow handle that in guided_reports.pl
15:10 Brendan__CLAMS actually the main problem is I've never written perl code before :)
15:10 georgew I don't think Ihave any libraries using hold cancellation reasons, so I'm can't help much there.
15:14 caroline might be controversial, but I've asked chatgpt for help in perl in the past (I don't know perl either)
15:15 oleonard What controls whether a hold cancellation notice is sent?
15:16 emlam I don't totally follow how the template/.pl file interactions work either, but this line from later in the file looks like it may be the structure you need: my @ids = $input->multi_param('ids');
15:17 emlam (it pulls the report ids if you have selected multiple reports to delete)
15:19 emlam oh wait never mind. Obviously I didn't understand how the templates work enough to understand your question ^_^;;
15:20 Brendan__CLAMS ya my understanding is that multi_param function grabs an array (maybe wrong terminology as I'm new to perl) of all the url params that have the same name
15:22 Brendan__CLAMS but in the SQL reports, all parameters are in one array, so I need to possibly change how that works by changing the name prop on the multi select, or figure some other way to parse it to get the multiselect values separately
15:24 Brendan__CLAMS my other thought is to write javascript that if the form has a multiselect it would prevent the default submission of the form and format the multi select values into one sql_param, so then the perl should more or less just do it's current thing
15:25 Brendan__CLAMS that seems possible although kinda hackish
16:02 caroline do any of you know if the misc/cronjobs/create_koc_db.pl script is useful for the external offline circ tools or only the deprecated built-in one?
16:03 oleonard I think it's used by the Windows program
16:03 oleonard Not sure about the Firefox addon (does that still work?)
16:04 caroline oh ok thanks!
16:04 caroline I think marie-luce tested the firefox plugin recently and she told me it works
16:05 caroline we have never tested the windows one as we all have ubuntu computers
16:22 caroline If there are any TT experts, or anyone who uses TT a lot (no need to be an expert) around, could you check what I wrote here https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/merge_requests/812/diffs#ea8c4f0ce0ff703ce10a68a5522cf24841a8681a_2735_2809
16:22 ashimema it all reads sane to me caroline
16:22 ashimema aude_c already asked here đ
16:22 caroline ah oops lol!
16:22 caroline thanks ashimema!
16:22 ashimema hehe
16:23 ashimema no harm in asking for more eyes đ
16:23 caroline I had asked last week, but in the evening here and there weren.'t a lot of people around
16:24 caroline I admit I don't understand completely the thing with the periods like 245.0.a.0
16:28 ashimema hmm
16:29 ashimema why does the api 'List biblios' endpoint require full cataloguing permissions!
16:33 tcohen catalogue != cataloguing
16:33 tcohen catalogue => staff access
16:34 tcohen cataloguing permissions is 'editcatalogue'
16:35 ashimema ah yes
16:35 ashimema such a mess
16:35 ashimema permissions are horrible
16:37 ashimema any further thoughts on bug 29509 tcohen?
16:37 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29509 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, In Discussion , GET /patrons* routes permissions excessive
16:38 tcohen can take a look later
16:38 tcohen packing to go work downtown now
16:38 ashimema okies
16:43 reiveune bye
16:56 fridolin bye bye
18:47 saa while staging records through browser if the number of records are more the stage records fails how to handle data import with more than 50000 records importing into batch in one go
18:59 caroline saa, you can use the bulkmarcimport.pl script found under misc/migration_tools if I remember correctly
19:01 caroline also, I've found that the interface will give an error as if the import has failed, but it continues in the background anyway. If you check the database (like select count(*) from biblio) you'll see the number of records continues to increase even after the interface has stopped
20:37 bwv582 davidnind: Thank you. I see what looks like two patch files there. Do I need them both?
20:59 davidnind bwv582: Sorry, I don't know enough to advise you on how to manually make the changes - the database structure needs to be changed, so I think it is the statements in the "Upgrade to 23.06.00.013 may fail" patch
20:59 davidnind As always, testing on a development/testing system is recommended
20:59 pastebot "davidnind" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Databse structure for master" (54 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/35769
21:02 davidnind ^^ if you share the output from the two database statements I used in the paste, and add them to the bug (along with your database version) it may provide some clues to help others troubleshoot
21:04 ashimema I think I missed some chatter there...
21:07 davidnind About what changes to make manually to fix an upgrade issue - bug 35687
21:07 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35687 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Upgrade to 23.06.00.013 may fail
21:07 davidnind (if that was the chatter you were referring to.... 8-) )
21:31 caroline on bugzilla, is there any way to make the "Text to go in release notes" box bigger in the browser? I mean like in some places you can drag the corner of a text box to make it bigger when the text is long
21:31 caroline When release notes are long, I find they are hard to read...
21:32 caroline or maybe adapt the length to the content? I don't know which would be easier, if any is possible at all
21:38 davidnind For me, I can only make it bigger when I edit it
21:39 caroline ah maybe that is the difference... it is not normally editable so it is fixed...
21:40 davidnind It would be ideal if all the text in the release note field was displayed when viewing it though...
21:40 davidnind Not sure whether that is configurable in Bugzilla or not
21:40 davidnind I do try to keep them succinct, but sometimes it is not possible
22:50 bwv582 davidnind: Thanks. I am still trying to get clear on what the error actually means. Looking at the bugzilla page will help, I think.
22:51 bwv582 I thought it was going to be an easy apt upgrade
22:51 bwv582 I should have known better!