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00:38 tuxayo wow looks nice :D
00:45 tuxayo Does anyone know if there is a way to make Koha lighter since the introduction of one worker for background tasks and one for long background tasks?
00:45 tuxayo Long ago I switched from two general workers to one to make start up and more importantly restarts, less slow. On my PC (old but will have to do until I can change it) restarts take ~15 sec now with 3 workers (one general, one background, one background long task)
01:02 davidnind caroline++
01:02 davidnind inLibro++
01:04 davidnind Nice work on KohaCon24 - conference website (https://2024.kohacon.org/) and update (https://2024.kohacon.org/kohacon-2024-learning-and-building-together/)
07:39 reiveune hello
08:07 ashimema tuxayo: does it matter if the workers take a little longer to start? Or is it a startup order issue.. should we be prioritising all instance plack startups before any workers to ensure site reactivity returns more quickly?
08:08 ashimema tuxayo: I know dcook has been thinking about startup speed lately, but I don't think he was worried about the workers.. more the app itself
08:09 ashimema @later tell tuxayo tuxayo: does it matter if the workers take a little longer to start? Or is it a startup order issue.. should we be prioritising all instance plack startups before any workers to ensure site reactivity returns more quickly?
08:09 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:09 ashimema @later tell tuxayo tuxayo: I know dcook has been thinking about startup speed lately, but I don't think he was worried about the workers.. more the app itself
08:09 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded.
08:09 Joubu really want to restart or plack --reload enough?
08:13 cait good morning #koha!
08:32 magnuse \o/
09:44 cait still so quiet?
09:56 paulderscheid[m] I have one :D
09:56 paulderscheid[m] Let's integrate an open LLM into Koha ˆˆ
10:01 paulderscheid[m] That bz skin looks awesome btw. Let's get it moving: bug 34423
10:01 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34423 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , (proof-of-concept) Bugzilla could look better with a new skin
10:01 magnuse LLM?
10:02 paulderscheid[m] Large Language Model like llama2
10:02 paulderscheid[m] the chatGPT stuff ;D
10:03 magnuse lulz
10:04 magnuse automatic renewals should not be affected by the calendar, right? loans should be renewed even on closed days?
10:04 paulderscheid[m] that sounds like a cait question :D
10:05 paulderscheid[m] here's a cool repo if you'd like to play around w/ it magnuse https://github.com/jmorganca/ollama
10:05 paulderscheid[m] It's very capable and doesn't collect any data.
10:06 paulderscheid[m] But don't let it write your code, you WILL regret it ˆˆ
10:06 magnuse what would we use it for in koha?
10:07 paulderscheid[m] For example in the staff interface. For example for looking up docs and answering natural language questions. For example: 'How do I turn on Feature x', 'How do I configure ILL' or something like that.
10:07 paulderscheid[m] Ha, still tired, 3x 'For example' :D
10:08 PedroAmorim[m] o/
10:09 PedroAmorim[m] having an optional AI helper is an inevitability imo
10:09 PedroAmorim[m] it'd be great to have it in Koha!
10:09 paulderscheid[m] Could be also really great for reports!
10:10 paulderscheid[m] yeah, was kind of a joke but I see it as a possibility as well.
10:11 paulderscheid[m] Maybe PTFS has the capacities :)
10:12 PedroAmorim[m] maybe =D maybe some folks from Germany also have the capacities =DDD
10:12 paulderscheid[m] Haha :D
10:12 paulderscheid[m] Would be great to show that tinkling stars icon in promotional material :D
10:12 paulderscheid[m] Just btw, we have AI now XD
10:13 paulderscheid[m] Would be great if we got there before OCLC
10:13 magnuse buzzword bingo!
10:14 paulderscheid[m] Yes
10:14 paulderscheid[m] That
10:14 paulderscheid[m] :D
10:15 ashimema well.. I actually had a discussion about AI in the company the other day... the sales team are keen to train an LLM using our existing tender responses to help in drafting new tender responses
10:15 paulderscheid[m] That makes sense.
10:15 ashimema Must admit.. I only took a cursory look at how to train an LLM and decided it was way outside my expertise.. but investigating it is on the long list.. I agree.. it would be great to do something in that space for Koha..
10:16 ashimema I know there's a few people interested in the reports writer stuff
10:16 paulderscheid[m] Check out ollama for setup and huggingface ashimema
10:17 paulderscheid[m] It's doable.
10:17 paulderscheid[m] But you should rather look into fine-tuning a model rather than training one.
10:17 paulderscheid[m] Training one is a whole phd
10:17 ashimema yeah, that was the conclusion I came too too
10:18 ashimema s/too/to/
10:18 paulderscheid[m] I bet
10:19 paulderscheid[m] Has potential no doubt
10:22 magnuse huggingface?
10:23 paulderscheid[m] It's a platform for discussing ai development.
10:23 paulderscheid[m] or rather llm development, I actually hat this being called AI all the time :D
10:23 paulderscheid[m] *hate
10:24 paulderscheid[m] https://huggingface.cxo
10:24 paulderscheid[m] https://huggingface.co
10:25 magnuse ah, thanks!
10:26 paulderscheid[m] well it's now multi-modal so llm does not suffice anymore but you get the gist
11:01 cait magnuse: i think it should renew on holiday too... but it has changed a lot since I last looked at the feature more closely
11:01 cait I think kidclamp or ashimema might be better to ask even
11:03 ashimema pass
11:04 kidclamp It should be an option, what it actually is I'm not sure
11:07 kidclamp no, calendar is not taken into account for renewability, it can affect the due date <- magnuse
11:07 ashimema thanks kidclamp
11:23 oleonard I worry that adding an llm to Koha will result in plausible-sounding but incorrect answers at a rate that makes it useless ( > 0% )
11:26 Joubu ashimema: feeling rusty... Is the job of Koha::Object->strings_map to return the library's name or should I use embed instead?
11:27 Joubu GET /patrons/42 would return {str: {library_id: "Centerville", category_id: "Staff"}}
11:39 Joubu @later tell 33161 comment 33
11:39 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:44 cait I just remember the one perfectly fine sounding email to the list about configuration options Koha never had...
11:44 cait they had asked ChatGPT I think
11:44 cait how do you keep them from making stuff up?
11:45 oleonard Making stuff up is their job!
12:03 paulderscheid[m] I think citing sources is the way to go here.
12:13 magnuse someone here tested chatgpt with "tell me 5 things about koha", and 2 or 3 of the answers sounded plausible, but were entirely made up...
12:13 magnuse thanks cait ashimema kidclamp - i couldn't find traces of the calendar in there either, but it would have explained the problem i was seeing :-)
13:12 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Installation_of_additional_languages_for_OPAC_and_INTRANET_staff_client#Installing_a_translation_on_a_development_environment
13:12 kidclamp Is this out of date now? I can't get any languages to list
13:16 PedroAmorim[m] kidclamp: are you on ktd?
13:16 PedroAmorim[m] I have to run:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/OFDDpZyYZVYvXKyLDXYUDbiP>)
13:16 PedroAmorim[m] from https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker
13:16 PedroAmorim[m] to have it work on ktd
13:17 Joubu a chown and/or reset --hard in misc/translator/po will certainly fix the problem
13:18 kidclamp yup, reset did it, thanks
13:18 Joubu kidclamp: which error did you get?
13:19 kidclamp I just got nothing
13:19 kidclamp but I needed: sudo koha-translate --list --available --dev kohadev
13:19 kidclamp without dev it stil iddn't list anything and no error
13:19 Joubu hum ok, maybe the gulp error was hidden then
13:19 Joubu https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/#translation-files
13:20 Joubu I wrote that, but I think it's missing a case
13:20 Joubu in the "
13:20 Joubu Common problems" part I mean
14:55 Joubu oleonard: I have attached several patches on bug 35329. It is missing a bit of styling inside the modal (the 'info' messge for "xxx patrons added") and maybe a bit more on the nested modal
14:55 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35329 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Move patron searches to a modal
14:55 Joubu oleonard: but overall it's ready for testing I think
14:55 oleonard Cool, I will take a look
14:55 Joubu I spent too much time on that one... :D
14:56 Joubu and I still need to provide tests...
16:14 ashimema hmm
16:14 ashimema is metacpan struggling today?
16:15 cait ashimema: could you check on the release tema patches? had a question about wiki roles
16:16 ashimema er, sure.. in a few mins
20:17 * magnuse settles in for an upgrade
21:41 magnuse that's a new one: Can't use string ("Rosalie") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/about.pl line 751
21:43 magnuse just upgraded to 22.0506000
21:48 Cesar Estimados, saludos desde Argentina. Les quería dejar la inquietud. Estoy trabajando sobre las hojas (plantillas) de autoridades, y el programa no me deja exportar la hoja de trabajo Género/Forma. Será un problema del SIGB o no deja exportar? Agradecería ayuda
22:14 caroline Cesar, that sounds like a bug, you should report it on bugzilla
22:16 caroline I think it may have to do with the fact that GENRE/FORM has a slash in the code? None of the other codes have a slash
22:18 caroline ah, it has already been reported Bug 33929
22:18 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33929 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , Cannot export genre/form authority framework