Time Nick Message
07:07 magnuse \o/
07:23 ashimema morning #koha
07:29 magnuse kia ora ashimema
07:34 reiveune hello
07:46 Joubu upgrading weblate
07:52 ashimema Excellent
08:09 magnuse Joubu++
08:09 cait good morning #koha
08:16 Joubu cait: https://translate.koha-community.org/translate/koha/master/messages/de/?q=servertype&sort_by=-priority%2Cposition&offset=1
08:16 Joubu there is an alert now
08:24 krimsonkharne[m] morning #koha
08:40 Joubu @later tell tcohen 35353 comment 4 - I won't reply there, but it feels directed to me. 3 years ago so I don't remember the details, but it was just not working: the dates/hours displayed were not correct so it had to be fixed...
08:40 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:47 seanfish[m] tuxayo: thanks will use this as an initial method of contributing
09:17 PedroAmorim[m] \o
09:33 cait Joubu: there is also highlighting, that's nice
09:33 cait makes it stand out more as something special
09:33 cait and you can click on it and it copies it into your text, that's pretty much what we had in Pootle and it's nice!
09:34 Joubu the only issue I found so far is that the check is not done on existing translations. But maybe they will appear after tomorrow's sync.
09:34 cait Joubu++
09:34 cait that's waht I was going to ask
09:34 cait I fixed that one, but I'd like to check for more
09:35 Joubu no more for de-DE
09:35 cait that's a relief :)
09:35 Joubu `junitmsgfmt misc/translator/po/de-DE-*` in case you want to know ;)
09:41 cait weblate++
09:42 cait i know (from my RMaint time :) )
09:43 cait Joubu: Any idea what we could do about those selenium tests?
09:44 Joubu remove them?
09:45 Joubu I am on authentication_2fa.t
09:46 Joubu we should also share the load, I should not be the only one to take care of them...
09:47 ashimema sorry Joubu.. not been following this discussion
09:47 ashimema whats up?
09:51 cait I tried to have a look but got basically stuck by them not failing for me .(
09:51 cait ashimema: we have problem with the selenium tests failing on D11 still
09:52 cait I'd really like a green dashboard for christmas
09:53 Joubu selenium tests are failing only on D11 because it's the only job to run them ;)
09:53 cait i tried to recreate locally and they kept passing is what i meant
09:54 cait ashimema: can you test bug 35598?
09:54 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35598 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , selenium/authentication_2fa.t is still failing randomly
09:55 Joubu cait: yes, hence the "randomly". Sometimes it also means "when the server is slow".
09:55 cait i know, my machine is probably too fast, but I had trouble finding the issue or making it visible
09:55 cait is the output you posted from your local machine or is that visible in Jenkins somewhere? i could only find the short form
09:56 Joubu bug 35598 comment 0?
09:56 Joubu when it's prefixed with "koha_1" it comes from jenkins, the "raw output" view
09:57 Joubu "console text" it is - https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/2767/consoleText
09:57 Joubu https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/2767/console - "View as plain text" on the left
09:57 cait aah so I can see it there ok
09:57 cait I was looking yesterday, but only found the "not ok" from the prove
09:58 Joubu yes, that's not useful
09:58 ashimema ah yes.. I've struggled replicating that one in the past too
09:58 cait I figured, but it's all I had found :)
09:58 Joubu the "plain text" view is the useful one
09:58 ashimema it really is random..
09:58 Joubu never seen it before
09:59 aude_c[m] <cait> "aude_c: I am looking at https..." <- Sorry cait; had a day off yesterday!
09:59 cait all good
09:59 cait do you want to work it out?
09:59 aude_c[m] I could update the website myself if you prefer? I seem to have access to posts but not pages; are you able to give me permissions to update that page please?
09:59 cait yes, of course!
09:59 aude_c[m] :)
10:00 cait i don't kow, but I think I can upgrade you give me a moment
10:00 cait can you give me your user name?
10:00 cait oh found it
10:00 aude_c[m] audecharillon
10:01 cait can you try nowß
10:01 cait can you try now? :)
10:01 cait I made you editor, I think that shoudl do the trick
10:01 aude_c[m] Yes, getting the Edit button now; thank you!
10:02 aude_c[m] I may not have time today, but I'll make sure I update before the end of the year...
10:02 cait we have a taiga card for updating the docmentation page - do you have access to that too?
10:02 aude_c[m] Err... probably not
10:03 cait ok, let me know when you have done it, then I can set it to done :)
10:03 cait or make ashimema do it :)
10:04 cait it's part of the release handover task list
10:04 Joubu I sent you an invit for taiga
10:04 Joubu aude_c[m]: I sent you an invit for taiga
10:04 aude_c[m] 👍️ got it, thanks!
10:04 cait https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/task/34 is the card
10:05 ashimema teamwork++
10:33 cait still need a sign-off for bug 35598 ... :)
10:33 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35598 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , selenium/authentication_2fa.t is still failing randomly
11:01 Joubu @later tell mtj ping bug 30002 comment 49
11:01 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
11:04 cait Joubu: my perltidy is a 2023.. soemthing
11:08 Joubu yes, newer than the one in ktd
11:09 Joubu so it's a false positive, but not something to fix at qa script level, but package level
11:09 cait i commented on the bug, but I was thinking: wahy not update ktd?
11:09 cait we alread have a lot of code tidied witht he newer version around now... and why use an old oneß
11:10 cait tcohen just yesterday told me to use the Debian package
11:10 Joubu see comment please
11:10 cait and my ktd had the 2023 too? so it's a little confusing
11:10 Joubu you ktd had 2023?
11:10 Joubu I have 2020
11:10 cait yes
11:10 cait i can check again after my next ktd down/up cycle
11:10 Joubu aren't you using 'master'?
11:11 cait yes?
11:11 Joubu so it's 2020
11:11 Joubu Debian 11.8, and it's v20200110
11:14 cait I don't see a comment on why not using the nwer version
11:15 cait or I am not understanding it
11:16 cait we don't list a specific perltidy verison in our coding guidelines either - we should fix that either way
11:16 Joubu bug 30002, last comments
11:16 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30002 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to oldstable , Add project-level perltidyrc
11:16 Joubu we need to new version in ktd
11:16 Joubu We don't understand each other
11:17 cait I figured
11:17 Joubu I don't understand your comment there
11:17 cait I read your last comment about Mason so that you want him to downgrade
11:17 Joubu we need 2023 in ktd.
11:17 Joubu now we have 2020
11:17 cait ok, so we ARE on the ame page
11:17 Joubu "We have 20230309-1~koha1 but it's not the version install in ktd."
11:17 cait but if the dependency pacakge is correct, why do we need mtj to fix?
11:18 cait is that not somethign we need to built into the process of ktd?
11:18 Joubu apt policy perltidy
11:18 Joubu and apt show perltidy
11:18 Joubu and you will get it
11:18 Joubu the package is there but not installed
11:18 Joubu well, not the correct version
11:18 cait perltidy:
11:18 cait Installed: 20230309-1~koha3
11:18 cait Candidate: 20230309-1~koha3
11:18 cait Version table:
11:18 cait *** 20230309-1~koha3 500
11:18 cait 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha-staging dev/main amd64 Packages
11:18 cait 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
11:18 cait 20200110-1 500
11:18 cait 500 https://ftp.uni-stuttgart.de/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
11:19 Joubu I don't have 2023 installed
11:19 Joubu Version table:
11:19 Joubu 20230309-1~koha3 500
11:19 Joubu 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha-staging dev/main amd64 Packages
11:19 Joubu *** 20200110-1 500
11:19 Joubu 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
11:20 Joubu 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
11:20 Joubu this is what I have in ktd (master)
11:24 Joubu cait: did you manually update perltidy?
11:24 Joubu `apt install perltidy`
11:24 Joubu or is this fresh ktd?
11:25 cait I need to destroy it, and I am just in the middle of testing something
11:25 cait I will do it at the end of my session today and check
11:25 cait but that above was the host, sorry
11:25 Joubu ha!
11:26 Joubu :D
11:26 cait still learning :) but trying to
11:26 cait perltidy:
11:26 cait Installed: 20200110-1
11:26 cait Candidate: 20230309-1~koha3
11:26 cait Version table:
11:26 cait 20230309-1~koha3 500
11:26 cait 500 http://debian.koha-community.org/koha-staging dev/main amd64 Packages
11:26 cait *** 20200110-1 500
11:26 cait 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
11:26 cait 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
11:26 Joubu ok, so what I am saying, we need 2023 in ktd
11:26 cait is ktd
11:26 cait do we know why it is not installed?
11:27 cait ok, asking too many question maybe :)
11:27 Joubu that's exactly what I am asking (and waiting for) since September
11:33 Joubu caroline, aude_c[m]: added you to https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/us/208 - so that you know it exists and where it is
11:38 oleonard Hi Joubu
11:46 Joubu hi :)
11:46 Joubu cait: can we consider removing this stupid captcha thing on the wiki please?
11:46 ashimema ?
11:47 ashimema I don't remember having seen a captcha on the wiki in years?
11:47 Joubu it's there since the move
11:47 ashimema when do you see it?
11:47 Joubu at least once per day
11:47 Joubu today twice already
11:47 ashimema doing what actions?
11:47 Joubu edit
11:47 ashimema I never do
11:47 ashimema weird
11:47 Joubu because you never edit? :D
11:48 Joubu my account is flagged as spammer then
11:48 Joubu or maybe you are admin?
11:48 ashimema i might be admin
11:48 ashimema that may make a difference
11:48 ashimema just in a meeting.. but I can take a look after this
11:49 ashimema I dislike captcha too
11:49 Joubu I am passing the captcha step from the koha-meeting script! What's the point if a bot can pass it easily??
11:49 ashimema hahaha, that's nuts
11:53 ashimema grr, needs serverside access to change be the looks
11:53 ashimema there's nothing exposed to the admin ui
12:10 David_Saudi Goodday
12:10 David_Saudi I am involved in a project in ALula saudi Arabia to build and Manage the towns first library. Is there someone that could assist me with the integration of Koha
12:15 PedroAmorim[m] Hi David, you can ask specific questions here and someone will likely be able to provide some help, or you can visit https://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/country/ for a list of companies that provide paid Koha support
12:20 David_Saudi my email is david.leverington@balichws.com
12:21 David_Saudi i am just a tech manager and have been asked to look into a solution and came across your website. it would be good to have a online chat with someone to understand more. This is a very exciting project by opening this public library in this small remote Saudi town for the community
12:25 cait you can try to ask general questions here and people are usually friendly and helping, but they are volunteering their time here
12:26 ashimema I don't know that our company operates in your locality at all right now, but I've passed it along to the right team here to discus (ptfs-europe).. but as cait suggests, feel free to ask general questions on the mailing lists etc and people will try their best to help. Being open source, you've got lots of options for either self-hosting or finding a support company to help out.
12:31 marcelr o/
12:34 cait hi marcelr
12:35 cait @info I am working through the bugs in QA list, but really want Jenkins fixed before pushing enh
12:35 huginn` cait: Error: The command "info" is available in the Factoids and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "info".
12:35 cait please help Joubu out - the bugs are filed and one is ready for testing
12:37 marcelr cait Isnt Jenkins green now apart from a selenium failure ?
12:38 cait 2 selenium failures, but they have been there forever
12:38 marcelr just push those tests
12:38 marcelr fixes
12:38 cait one doesn't have a fix yet
12:38 marcelr ok
12:38 cait and the other not even a sign-off
12:38 marcelr hmm cant test selenium easily
12:38 cait we can shortcut but maybe make the way a little longer
12:48 Joubu cait: both have a fix
12:48 cait great
12:49 Joubu bug 35600
12:49 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35600 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Prevent checkouts table to flicker
12:49 Joubu may fix bug 35506
12:49 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35506 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , selenium/regressions.t is failing randomly
12:50 cait I can test and sign them too (I would anyway)
12:50 cait I just pushed, if youant to halt Jenkisn I can push them now, but it's have preferred if someone else also did a quick test run
12:51 cait especially on 35600 as it#s not a test fix
12:51 Joubu yes, it definitely needs a proper SO+QA
12:52 cait with bug 35600 LoadCheckoutsTableDelay comes into mind
12:52 cait I'll add a note to the bug
12:53 Joubu yes, I have seen it but haven't tested it
12:53 Joubu no idea why this is in master... should be local JS code
12:53 cait I am still here tomorrow - if we can manage to have it tested until then, that would be great
12:54 cait and sorry for all the typos..
13:03 magnuse cait++ Joubu++
13:07 magnuse bug 35602 if anyone needs a trivial bug for training or something
13:07 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35602 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Typo: AutoMemberNum
13:09 aw-bib[m] hi! working on letters I read in the manual The notice defined in the ‘Default’ tab will be used if there is no preferred language set for a patron. but how do I set a preferred language as a patron? I don't see any setting in my account. does this refer to me choosing another language from the opac-interface?
13:10 cait you need to turn on the translated notices pref first
13:10 cait it#s in the I8N tab
13:11 cait then you'll see the default tab and the installed notices and also a setting in the patron record for the preferred language
13:12 aw-bib[m] ah, but I set it as a librarian for the patron, right?
13:12 aw-bib[m] it's not me the patron choosing the preferred language.
13:12 cait they can set it too from the messaging tab
13:13 aw-bib[m] ah! there it is. thanks again for the pointer!
13:13 cait and I think in 23.11 you can also set it for self regs and maybe on the patron record
13:13 cait np
13:14 aw-bib[m] I found it in the patrons record as staff in Library management indeed.
13:16 cait 23.11: patron record in the OPAC, not only the messaging tab but also the details one
13:19 tcohen hola #koha
13:32 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
13:56 caroline aw-bib[m], can you tell me which manual page was confusing? I'll add the note that you need to turn on the pref
14:00 tcohen Joubu around?
14:00 aw-bib[m] caroline: its in tools directly before `modify notice`. the bullet point reads in full
14:00 aw-bib[m] `The system preference TranslateNotices will add tabs for each installed language to the notices editor. The notice defined in the ‘Default’ tab will be used if there is no preferred language set for a patron.`
14:00 aw-bib[m] so there is a reference to the `TranslateNotices` I was just not aware of where I would set a patron default language.
14:01 Joubu tcohen: yes
14:02 caroline ok I'll see if I can make it clearer with the preferred language thing
14:02 cait caroline++
14:04 aw-bib[m] maybe it's just to set the preferred language use ... referring to the library use in the patron details or the two places mentioned by @cait from the patrons opac preferences. I think the default for this translation thingy is off while one could still switch languages around via the web interface. so I was sort of assuming some "hidden preference" that gets set once I switch the lang. (this tower thing in babylon was not the brightest
14:04 aw-bib[m] idea...)
14:06 caroline I think at one point some notices were dependent on the interface language, I don't know if it's still the case (like accounting slips or something?)
14:19 Joubu inadvertently found https://excalidraw.com
14:19 cait it's slips I think yes
14:19 cait anything you print directly in the browser
14:24 caroline that is pretty cool Joubu!
14:25 Joubu caroline: I am sure you said that without having seen the "library" on the right
14:26 Joubu and the "Christmas essentials"
14:49 oleonard Joubu: You've been trying to get my attention about Bug 35329?
14:49 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35329 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, ASSIGNED , Move patron searches to a modal
14:50 Joubu yes! :)
14:50 cait oh oleonard, I was looking for you too
14:50 Joubu too late cait
14:50 Joubu :D
14:50 oleonard Haha
14:51 * oleonard has been taking use-it-or-lose-it vacation days before the end of the year
14:51 cait we missed you :)
14:51 * cait draws a number
14:51 cait Bug 35087
14:52 Joubu oleonard: there is a move_to_modal branch on my gitlab repo. I've described what's wrong in the last commit
14:53 oleonard Okay I'll take a look
14:53 Joubu the nested modals have weird bugs
15:02 oleonard Joubu: I'm not seeing how to trigger the nested modal
15:02 oleonard The search results modal is showing... then click the patron's name? That doesn't do anything
15:07 Joubu guarantor search IIRC
15:07 Joubu did you follow "To test"?
15:08 oleonard I think I followed it correctly. Let me try one more time.
15:08 Joubu hum indeed, same here... erl
15:08 Joubu erk
15:15 Joubu oleonard: try 246489071dde4f97b088300210d3e21e5ecda741
15:15 Joubu and yarn css:build
15:15 Joubu I think the next "wip" commits were simplified tries
15:15 Joubu sorry this branch is a mess
15:17 Joubu the second to last is a test with "Simple modals", trying to not have 2 bootstrap modals.
15:17 Joubu and the last commit is a try on the main page it seems
15:24 tcohen cait I've pushed an update to KTD. It should solve the perltidy version discrepancy
15:25 tcohen @later tell mtj when you can, please check if we need to solve something for the failing KTD build, or we just drop support for those
15:25 huginn` tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:28 oleonard Joubu: Is "simple modals" an added plugin?
15:28 Joubu no, just some css found somewhere
15:29 Joubu See +/* Simple modals */ in staff-global.scss
15:30 oleonard That's my instinct as well... to use something other than a Bootstrap modal for the second modal
15:30 Joubu but 246489071dde4f97b088300210d3e21e5ecda741 does not contain it, maybe you will find a way to fix the ergonomic issues, without the need of additional code to deal with modals
15:32 Joubu oleonard: looks like the branch is not working because I didn't manage to display this "simple modal" on top of bootstrap
15:32 Joubu patron-search.inc has some testing code:
15:32 Joubu 683 $("#patronPreview > .modalBody").load( page + " div.container-fluid", function(){
15:32 Joubu 684 console.log("loaded");
15:32 Joubu 685 });
15:41 oleonard Joubu: In the newest commit the test button on the home page seems to do nested modals okay. Or does the problem not show up because there isn't content in the modals?
15:42 Joubu yes but it is not pulling its content from ajax request
15:42 oleonard Ah.
15:42 Joubu to be honest I don't remember :D
15:43 Joubu I guess this is yet another try. It looks indeed ok, but it needs to be adjusted to work on the patron search
15:44 Joubu I will have another look tomorrow and try to clarify the situation
15:44 Joubu it's a total mess right now
17:32 reiveune bye
21:51 caroline cait, did you manage to make translations work on ktd?
21:53 caroline I managed to get the po's (a great victory!), but when I `gulp po:update --lang fr-CA` or `perl translate install fr-CA` I get permission denials
21:56 davidnind I think I had that initially (sorry, haven't gone back to a bug with translations yet) - I think I removed the po directory and started KTD up again
21:58 caroline that's what I did initially to get the new po's
21:58 davidnind Or else I used koha-translate --install es-ES --dev kohadev (switch es-ES to your language)
21:58 caroline ah I'll try that
21:58 caroline that is in ktd --shel correct?
21:58 caroline --shell
21:58 davidnind it is
22:00 caroline that's probably what I'm doing wrong... I had the other commands in my notes from bug 34076 but ktd might very well have changed a lot since then
22:00 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34076 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , [ALTERNATE] [DOCS] Automated screenshots using Cypress.io testing framework
22:00 davidnind Some instructions were added to the KTD readme https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker#translation-files
22:01 caroline yes that's when I was following, I was at gulp po:update but it gave me errors...
22:02 caroline ok, so it mostly worked... lol https://snipboard.io/z1qTXO.jpg
22:03 caroline not sure what happened...
22:04 caroline I'll try again sometime
22:08 davidnind I'll try and find a bug to test with translations and see how I get on ... (I would check when you are in the po directory what git branch and git status show, but not sure if that will make a difference)
23:39 cait caroline: i think the gulp po:update bit worked for me, but not sure if I did something to make it work :(