Time Nick Message 21:36 davewood im calling it a night for today. 21:36 davewood uff ... upgraded and ran into this error -> https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Database_row_format 21:17 davewood wait ... `apt list --upgradable` => koha-common/oldstable 23.05.06-1 all [aktualisierbar von: 23.05.05-1] 21:16 davewood Version: 23.05.06-1 21:12 cait 23.05.06? 21:12 cait maybe it was only fixed in one spot... 21:12 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35012 normal, P5 - low, ---, bibliothek, Pushed to oldstable , Framework item plugins fire twice on Acquisition item blocks 21:12 cait bug 35012 21:12 davewood Koha 23.05 is our current version for this installation 21:11 cait I remember wildau was on the bug, sec 21:11 cait davewood: I tihnk that was fixed recently 21:03 davewood hmm .. valuebuilders are called twice everytime i request /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl?frameworkcode=TST ... naturally NEXTVAL on the sequence is called twice aswell. and I get gaps in the sequence. 20:33 ashimema I follow Dave 20:20 davidnind thd: he loves talking about this stuff, feel free to contact him about Discourse (advantages/disadvantages etc.) - mention you are from the Koha Community (he knows about Koha), active on Mastodon @lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz 20:18 davidnind thd: someone I know in New Zealand, Dave Lane, has documented all the software they use for the organisation he works for - all FLOSS. His latest update: https://tech.oeru.org/updating-oer-foundation-web-services-february-2023 20:16 ashimema Hehe 20:16 ashimema Glad to be off service 20:16 ashimema 😃 20:16 davewood ashimema++ 20:15 davewood /cgi-bin/koha/admin/preferences.pl?op=search&searchfield=autoControlNumber 20:15 ashimema Either way, there's anchors for linking if memory serves 20:15 ashimema Do you mean in docs or Koha itself 20:14 ashimema You can link to a pref 20:14 davewood autoControlNumber looks promising. 20:14 ashimema Erm.. 20:12 davewood :) 20:12 davewood not being able to link directly to a system preference is annoying 20:11 cait and using the biblionumber will guarantee pretty well it's unique in your database 20:10 cait davewood: check autoControlNumber systme preference, it might be a 22.11 feature, not completely sure 20:09 cait the biblionumber is asystem preference and also works on importing afaik 20:08 cait we do have a way to make the biblionumber 001 in Koha now - and you can set the MarcOrgCode for your installation or each branch differently (003) 20:07 cait correct 20:04 ashimema 001 + 003 I believe 20:02 ashimema Either way, your plugin looks cool 20:02 ashimema But yeah, it's the combination of two fields 20:02 ashimema Grr, cheese my memory 20:01 ashimema It's 001 + ... 20:01 ashimema 001 didn't actually have to be unique 19:21 thd davewood: So yes, your feature to increment 001 numbers is important. 19:19 thd davewood: If standards had been supported, conflicting 001 control numbers would have caused some failure as it does in some other systems. 19:18 thd davewood: You must be right. The underlying system should do that but it uses a different means of identifying the record ID which started with some combination of bibliographic records standards mistake and programming design error when MARC support was added to Koha. 19:15 thd davewood: The Library of Congress had found some conflicting use of the same LCCN in multiple records which caused systems to fail. 19:14 davewood i still dont get it. we have a customer that wants automatic control-numbers. something that doesnt exist (let me know if im wrong). 19:13 thd davewood: Your feature should already be present if it is not. The system should fail if there are conflicting control numbers. However, Koha has always managed the database ID which matters differently from control numbers. 19:13 davewood currently you can add a new biblio with a duplicate control-number ... I checked a couple hours ago. 19:12 davewood thd: im not following ... are you saying thats a feature you would recommend to add? 19:06 thd davewood: Koha should set off an alarm, not that it does, if the user would create a conflicting 001 control number. 19:03 davewood I needed to auto-supply and auto-increment the control-number (MARC21 field 001) so I built https://github.com/HKS3/Koha-ValueBuilder-AutoControlNumber ... i could polish it a bit and make it available for everyone if there is demand. 19:03 thd that bug which has some insights into the complications of development and the business case for why discourse is liable to loose sufficient email support in future. 19:03 thd paulderscheid[m]: At least for the general mailing list, there are probably many people who agreed with some strongly worded messages about not wanting to loose ability to avoid checking yet another website for mailing list content. For Flarum, reply from email is a feature being newly developed which may be proprietary, only available to hosting customers, and currently relies upon a proprietary mail service. I will link to the discussion of 18:53 paulderscheid[m] That's good to know. 18:53 thd paulderscheid[m]: Flarum, being perhaps a younger project has a worse FOSS vs proprietary balance for another key feature. 18:52 paulderscheid[m] Wonderful :) 18:51 thd paulderscheid[m]: I tried to use Google to find the search by date bug marked won't fix and instead I found forum reports about where to find the feature :) 18:49 paulderscheid[m] Yes, I read back. 18:49 thd paulderscheid[m]: My concerns about Discourse have greatly diminished since the basic feature I thought was missing with some problem for making it work was merely a mistake I made over some related bug report. 18:47 paulderscheid[m] Hi thd, your concerns regarding Discourse are taken into account. We'll make a pro/con list for all solutions. I'm not very fond of Flarum to be honest. They don't have an official docker image and I really don't want to maintain a php project on bare metal. So the current targets of evaluation are basically Hyperkitty and Discourse. 18:33 thd I do not have enough practice revealing user interfaces hidden by a hierarchy skeuomorphic icons. 18:29 thd There is actually a remedy for time period after some date and before some other date but it is only via a plugin exposing the whole database to SQL queries which necessarily cannot be available to any but carefully vetted users. However, if time period is where I found the bug report I was misled and missed the feature because advanced search was hidden in the hidden menu after invoking search. 18:23 thd However, in general, I find that marking bugs won't fix is harsh when not accompanied by some apology for not knowing a good way to start or explaining a lack of funding for the work involved etc. 18:22 thd The thing I really found off-putting was some negative indication in some bugs marked won't fix which might have been worded in a more community friendly manner. 18:19 thd One primary company controlling development and distribution despite many outside contributors is not as advantageous as a larger community which understandably usually takes longer if it is not prevented by some improper advantage such as contributor license agreements. 18:15 thd Yes, but it is the product of a single company, not a widely distributed community. Some features ( or perhaps some plugins with useful features) are not available for self-hosted instances. 18:15 ashimema Sorry.. 100 18:15 ashimema And whilst there's not the Koha community level of contributors.. there are till around 50 18:13 ashimema Open source 18:13 ashimema Discourse is GNU General Public License Version 2.0 18:05 thd paulderscheid[m]: My strong objection to Discourse based on the mistaken absence of a basic fundamental feature is gone. I only now have significant concerns about Discourse not being a community project and the likelihood that sufficient email support which some people need will be dropped in future for simple business reasons. 17:57 thd paulderscheid[m]: I was misled to believe that the basic functionality of date queries was absent from Discourse by some related bug report which may have been marked won't fix. As I found the bug before finding the advanced search interface I falsely concluded that there was only the simple search box. The bug must have been related to searching by time period between two dates or something otherwise relating to date queries. 17:04 ashimema interesting 16:35 reiveune bye 16:12 cait paulderscheid[m]: still around? 15:49 tcohen Bye all, BBL 15:41 cait aude_c++ # thanks so much for taking the minutes 15:39 cait it's great to see us updating our infrastructure software - it's good for the project, even if a bit painful in the beginnings 15:32 cait Joubu++ thx! 15:10 thd I assume that it will take time to investigate Discourse, Flarum, and Hyperkitty. 15:08 Joubu ok, unless we are moving away from mailman before February 15:06 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35548 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Move KitchenSink test on its own and control table creation 15:06 thd Joubu, I forgot to mention it at the meeting but we should turn on DMARC support for the other mailing lists aside from koha-devel at lists.koha-community.org before February. 15:06 Joubu bug 35548 15:05 marcelr report opened 15:05 marcelr i restore this stiuff elsewhere 15:03 Joubu marcelr: KitchenSinkPlugin.kpz is not longer needed then 15:03 thd Sysadmins at BibLibre seem to not have time to fix their broken DKIM from the mail server which is likely only a trivial configuration issue. However, even with no DKIM signitures even from an original author Gmail has been giving messages a free pass simply for having SPF and DMARC in my testing when I turned off DKIM. 14:56 thd The biggest thing which is missing for DMARC at Katipo is the DMARC line in DNS. Toggling two Mailman configuration settings accessible via the web interface is a little easier. For all I know, there is a web interface controlling the DNS settings for Katipo but rachel may not know how that is controlled. 14:51 paulderscheid[m] Noted 14:50 thd .. with only the DKIM signatures of the original author messages. 14:50 thd paulderscheid[m]: Gmail seems likely to give a free pass to DMARC with only the DK 14:49 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35507 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Fix handling plugins in unit tests causing random failures on Jenkins 14:49 marcelr Joubu: could you look at bug 35507 now ? 14:46 thd Fixing DMARC support so that we have time to investigate fully is trivial. It would take only a few minutes to change three lines for the general mailing list. I have provided complete instructions to rachel. 14:42 paulderscheid[m] That would be great. 14:42 thd I can copy what I wrote about the issue to the Koha mailing list. 14:42 Joubu cait: I run the meeting script 14:38 paulderscheid[m] If you ever got around to collecting your thoughts on the bug, it would be very much appreciated. 14:36 thd I investigated Discourse fairly deeply several months ago when it was raised on the mailing list but I did not keep track of all the bug reports which I had examined closely. 14:34 thd Hyperkitty is definitely second class forum software at least in comparison to how it appears in comparison to Discourse. However, Hyperkitty is fine and the mailing list component is not an afterthought. 14:33 paulderscheid[m] It would be awesome if you could add your findings to the bug thd. Then we always have it as a reference point. 14:32 Joubu passwords are in plaintext... 14:32 Joubu we can 14:31 thd I know that the biggest attraction [for an experimenter] of starting with Discourse is that everyone would need to resubscribe. There is no mechanism for taking the legacy with us. 14:31 paulderscheid[m] As there's already a bug, I'll document the evaluation there. 14:30 paulderscheid[m] Definitely 14:28 thd paulderscheid[m]: Will you consider upgrading to Mailman 3 and using Hyperkitty as forum software? 14:25 paulderscheid[m] Yes 14:22 thd paulderscheid[m]: Are you still here? 14:15 caroline for some reason, not all meetings appear in my thunderbird calendar (but some do, so it's very weird) 14:14 caroline lol, expect downtimes and a lot of bugs 14:14 tcohen you're volunteered for rewriting Koha in Go already 14:14 caroline sorry, I just came in :/ 14:14 tcohen doesn't need to be you who does it, though 14:13 tcohen I'm reading the bug now FYI, and I still feel we need that list in a more easy to track place 14:13 tcohen Joubu we should compile a list of outstanding issues, on the Wiki, so people don't feel overwhelmed about the bug size 14:12 cait nah, you made your point, it's good - we need to be on the same page 14:12 cait do that before teh meeting next time heh 14:12 Joubu turning off my grumpiness now :D 14:10 huginn` Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2023/development_irc_meeting_13_december_2023.2023-12-13-13.01.log.html 14:10 huginn` Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2023/development_irc_meeting_13_december_2023.2023-12-13-13.01.txt 14:10 huginn` Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2023/development_irc_meeting_13_december_2023.2023-12-13-13.01.html 14:10 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Dec 13 14:10:55 2023 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 14:10 cait #endmeeting 14:10 cait #info Next meeting: 3 January 2024, 13 UTC 14:10 cait #topic Set date of next meeting 14:09 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33568 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Use the REST API to display items on the biblio detail view 14:09 aude_c[m] #info Bug 33568 added to roadmap as well (time critical) 14:04 cait aude_c++ 14:04 aude_c[m] #info Discussion on how to be better informed of security bugs if not part of the security group 14:03 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33568 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Use the REST API to display items on the biblio detail view 14:03 ashimema #info Jonathan is looking for further support for bug 33568 - lots of testing already happened, we need a final push to get it over the line 14:00 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35302 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha depends on mpm_itk which prevents HTTP/2 14:00 aude_c[m] #info Katrin asking for thoughts on Bug 35302 13:59 aude_c[m] #info Propose new rules for future Release Maintainers : also postponed 13:58 aude_c[m] #info Draft style guide: postponed to next meeting for lack of time 13:57 aude_c[m] #topic General development discussion 13:55 aude_c[m] #info Translation server migration: done 13:55 aude_c[m] #info renaming master branch to main: done 13:54 aude_c[m] #info thd not keen on Discourse, would recommend HyperKitty instead. To be added to roadmap? 13:50 cait aude_c++ 13:50 aude_c[m] #info Move from Gitea to Forgejo: to be moved to the roadmap 13:50 * nugged went to search 13:49 nugged Joubu: do we have "pagination for items" in that list? 13:49 aude_c[m] #info perldoc.koha-community.org update needed: no move yet; moved to the roadmap 13:48 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34478 is not accessible. 13:48 aude_c[m] #info CSRF fixes: Joubu waiting for help on Bug 34478! 13:47 cait #topic Actions from previous meetings 13:47 Joubu 34478 - waiting for help 13:47 aude_c[m] #info Sign up at the website to receive the latest news 13:46 cait #link https://2024.kohacon.org/ real website 13:45 paulderscheid[m] https://2024.kohacon.org/ 13:45 cait #link https://inlibro.com/en/kohacon2024/ 13:45 Joubu https://sondagebiblio.org/index.php/828663 13:45 aude_c[m] caroline: around? 13:44 aude_c[m] #topic KohaCon24 update 13:44 aude_c[m] #info There are a lot of proposals (too many?) Project leads involved in several proposals are encouraged to make a priority list for themselves 13:44 nugged Annelisterman[m] 👍 13:43 aude_c[m] #info You can still add proposals, update proposals or add yourself as a supporter for proposals until 31 December. 13:43 aude_c[m] #info All proposals reviewed; see the wiki page. If you proposed something, check if anything is missing. 13:40 Annelisterman[m] nugged: We do not use holding records in public libraries but I will talk about the bug in our meetings to find out if there is anything we can do to support the work. 13:25 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=35092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Remaining background job/worker issues 13:25 ashimema Bug 35092 - [OMNIBUS] Remaining background job/worker issues 13:19 emlam #info Emily Lamancusa, MCPL 13:18 nugged ashimema thanks 13:18 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20447 new feature, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Needs Signoff , Add support for MARC holdings records 13:18 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 13:18 nugged though looking for some people to join Bug 20447 / Holding records / supporters ( Annelisterman[m] do we need that for KohaSuomi too? ) 13:17 nugged yeh, I put myself to ILL supporters then 13:17 ashimema nugged, basically it means go out there and promote your bug.. get some backing for it... i.e. prevent the drop and run scenario and people working on things on their own and getting upset when no movement then happens 13:16 ashimema 15449 for the C4 -> Koha Omnibus bug 13:15 nugged "supporters" - from whom? ... and how gain such and can we still act for some days to fix that? 13:12 aude_c[m] #info Katrin asked for each proposal to have one project lead, 2 supporters (can't the same as the project lead!), a useful description and a linked bug. Please review to make sure your proposal has everything :) 13:09 aude_c[m] #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Road_map_24.05 13:09 aude_c[m] #topic Status of roadmap projects 13:08 aude_c[m] #info marcelr says there is a lot in the queue but work ongoing 13:07 aude_c[m] #topic Updates from the QA Team 13:07 aude_c[m] #info No one around! 13:07 aude_c[m] #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 13:07 aude_c[m] #info Issues with Jenkins: marcelr and others looking into it 13:07 Annelisterman[m] #info Anneli Österman, Koha-Suomi Oy, Finland 13:06 aude_c[m] #info Katrin is "here and pushing things!" Still learning :) 13:05 aude_c[m] #topic Update from the Release manager (24.05) 13:04 aude_c[m] #info 145 participants at the German Koha user meeting last week 13:03 aude_c[m] #topic Announcements 13:03 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 13:03 EmmiTakkinen[m] #info Emmi Takkinen, Koha-Suomi Oy, Finland 13:03 marcelr #info Marcel de Rooy 13:03 nugged #info Andrii Nugged, National Library of Finland, Helsinki, FI 13:03 aude_c[m] #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK 13:03 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 13:03 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 13:03 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi 13:03 paulderscheid[m] #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud Gmbh, Stuttgart, Germany 13:02 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_December_2023 Agenda 13:02 huginn` Current chairs: aude_c[m] cait tcohen 13:02 cait #chair tcohen 13:01 huginn` Current chairs: aude_c[m] cait 13:01 cait #chair aude_c[m] 13:01 nugged (supervising observer :) ) 13:01 cait #topic Introductions 13:01 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_13_december_2023' 13:01 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:01 huginn` Meeting started Wed Dec 13 13:01:40 2023 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:01 cait #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 13 December 2023 12:58 cait Jitsi is open 12:58 cait although I don't think you are just an observer :) 12:57 cait of coure, everybody is welcome 12:54 aude_c[m] Do you accept observers? :D 12:53 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_13_December_2023 12:53 cait REMINDER: Meeting in a few minutes! 12:52 cait hello 12:39 nugged ö/ 12:10 marcelr o/ 12:08 tcohen hola #koha o/ 10:19 cait maybe that's why I didn't notice 10:19 cait hm i pushed a ton of template and js changes 10:19 Joubu it will try to connect to the container only if pl or pm is modified 10:18 cait maybe something we could look into 10:18 cait Joubu: hm i thought it was working now, because it created a change to the contributors file 10:18 * cait waves 09:13 krimsonkharne[m] morning all 09:03 Joubu that would be worse 09:03 Joubu if not it means the hook is not correctly setup 09:03 Joubu you should see it 09:03 Joubu make change to mainpage.pl, commit 09:02 cait hm I didn't notice that 09:02 Joubu hook 09:02 Joubu from the pre-commit hoo 09:02 Joubu git commit 09:01 cait see where? 08:53 Joubu everybody using the ktd bin are seeing "Error response from daemon: No such container: koha_koha_1" and no complains? 06:39 reiveune hello