Time Nick Message 19:36 tcohen[m] I'm leaving for tennis 19:17 cait back 18:29 mtj will start in 2 hours 18:20 mtj tcohen[m]: ill do this today 18:20 mtj hi cait, tcohen[m] 18:19 tcohen[m] and 23.11 in a few :-D 18:19 tcohen[m] let's package all the maintenance branches! 18:19 tcohen[m] hi mtj! 18:18 cait hi mtj :) 18:14 mtj hi team 18:03 cait nice 18:01 tcohen[m] 913 bugzilla reports 18:01 tcohen[m] 2117 commits 18:01 tcohen[m] it's ok 17:49 ashimema Sorry mate, driving 17:48 tcohen[m] heh 17:47 cait ah, boring 17:47 tcohen[m] nahw I just find a minor glitch on the schema files 17:46 cait oooh does he get to press the button? :) 17:46 tcohen[m] can you zoom for 90 seconds? 17:46 tcohen[m] ashimema: around? 17:25 cait fingers crossed 17:22 ashimema 👍👏 17:21 tcohen[m] release notes generated in a few minutes 16:57 ashimema but from my perspective we're pretty much there.. I don't have the brain power to do any more today at least 😜 16:57 ashimema I need to clock off and collect the kids 16:56 ashimema https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/-/commit/48fafa493ac4d1f63aa521fa46e4889407aa3bfd 16:55 ashimema 🙂 16:55 ashimema and it does 16:55 ashimema I just rebuilt to check it appears nicely 16:55 cait hm? 16:54 ashimema it's all works in the release notes now 16:54 ashimema looks good 16:54 cait ashimema++ 16:53 ashimema always 16:53 cait i wish we had a little more time 16:51 ashimema done 16:50 caroline I think it's Preservation without an s? 16:50 cait all required? 16:50 ashimema any takers 16:50 cait heh 16:50 ashimema Default CC list 16:50 cait Joubu? 16:50 cait maybe we can add that alter 16:49 ashimema Default QA contact 16:49 ashimema Default Assignee 16:49 ashimema Component description ? 16:49 ashimema Component name: Preservations 16:49 cait yes? 16:49 cait I'll group the bugs 16:49 ashimema I need 16:49 ashimema OK 16:49 cait did you add? 16:48 caroline I'd say so too, it's a button on the main page and in the More menu 16:48 cait has a new system preference tab too 16:48 ashimema it feels like it could have been way more generic and re-usable 16:48 * ashimema still wishes it was just called 'Workflows' or something like that.. 16:48 cait i'd day it is 16:47 ashimema I can add one for you now 16:47 ashimema if so.. yes 16:47 ashimema I've not played with it.. is it a fully fledge module 16:47 cait and we added one for ERM too 16:47 cait it's currently a bit lost in Tools 16:47 cait I am not sure if we shoudl not have a new bugzilla category for the preservation module 16:44 ashimema git commit --allow-empty -m "Bug 34955: One Koha Manual" 16:43 ashimema that'll mean the release tools just pick it up for you 🙂 16:43 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , One Koha manual 16:43 ashimema maybe just push an empty commit for bug 34955 tcohen 16:37 ashimema ta 16:37 cait ashimema: sponsored line for 34737? 16:36 aude_c[m] You're welcome to correct the bug title! 16:36 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , One Koha manual (to rule them all) 16:36 aude_c[m] tcohen can we please have bug 34955 mentioned please? I just added some release notes text 16:36 ashimema 'tis huge 16:36 ashimema there really is a surprisingly large amount in this release when you start going through the notes 16:30 cait i think circulation has some note gabs... but working on 2 in reports still 16:30 tcohen[m] happy to add anything y'all need 16:30 tcohen[m] ashimema: nope 16:29 ashimema I think she was hoping you might manually add a note about the new one manual to rule them all change 16:29 cait maybe could have mentioned the word cookie banner - just missing a bit the user perspectice ;) 16:29 ashimema Did aude catch you tcohen? 16:28 cait I'LL just write until last minute :) 16:28 cait but you don't have to wait for me 16:28 cait i am still writing notes 16:28 ashimema building now cait.. let me know if you think that's OK 16:25 tcohen[m] keep me posted 16:25 tcohen[m] if there's something that needs a few more minutes 16:25 tcohen[m] after that I would like to wrap the release 16:25 tcohen[m] I'm fixing some minor things in the release scripts 16:23 ashimema adding notes now 16:23 ashimema nywho 16:23 ashimema it meant I had months to get my head back around to it for writing those follow-ups 16:23 ashimema it's just a shame it took so many years for the initial feature to work through 16:23 ashimema the follow-ups only hit the queues 10 days or so ago 16:22 cait just don't write "I don't like it like this' in the notes please 16:22 cait so don't blame QA 16:21 cait it was not in the queues 16:21 ashimema lol 16:21 ashimema but these things happen 16:21 tcohen[m] The QA team will work harder next cycle 16:21 ashimema I really don't like it much as it is in master ☹️ 16:21 ashimema they make it a signficuantly more polished feature 16:21 ashimema shame the follow-ups didn't all make it 16:20 ashimema we've been running it in production for 3 years ;! 16:20 cait will you work it out? 16:20 cait lol 16:20 ashimema I forgot that was only actually pushed in this version 16:20 ashimema blimey 16:19 cait cookie consent 16:19 huginn` 04Bug 27378: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Needs documenting , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent 16:19 cait https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27378 16:19 cait ashimema: shoudl this be new feature? def deserves some notes! 16:16 ashimema lol 16:15 cait Memo to myself... ask for release notes early when pushing 16:09 caroline (and I noticed a translation error... oops) 16:09 caroline the text doesn't seem to be editable tough 16:07 caroline oh yeah, no, it appears when registering 16:06 reiveune bye 16:06 caroline it says it's to use the opac, but I could use the opac without registering? 16:05 caroline privacypolicy? 16:05 caroline what are they called again? 16:04 ashimema is that not covered by some of the gdpr prefs? 16:03 caroline Is there an equivalent of PatronSelfRegistrationAdditionalInstructions for *before* the patron registers? I'd like to add a message like "by registering you accept the policies bla bla", but in that one it only shows up after the patron has registered... 16:02 cait there is so many I could still write note sfor ugh. 15:48 ashimema the laptop may be melting, but I'm sat here shivvering 15:48 cait 32932 Re-structure Vue router-links to use "name" instead of urls 33417 Create one standard Toolbar component is in ERM - should we move more of these to Architecture? 15:48 cait at least you got it warm... we had snow today 15:47 ashimema 😧 15:47 ashimema my laptop is melting trying to test Joubu's ktd persistence patches 15:46 ashimema interesting 15:46 cait well the text seemd to have gotten out of order 15:46 cait and one seemd out of order, I tried to sort it 15:46 ashimema done 15:46 cait I added some more to circulation 15:46 cait thx 15:45 ashimema building now 15:45 ashimema god knows why cron isn't behaving 15:45 ashimema I'm still hitting it manually 15:45 ashimema nope 15:44 cait ashimema: shoul the notes update now automagically? 15:17 cait Joubu++ # I think you are to blame for that file :) 15:17 cait yep it is 15:16 caroline ashimema just liked the file, it seems straightfforward enough 15:16 cait there is a mapping file - do you want me to find you a bug where I did some link updating? 15:14 caroline we'll have to add the preservation chapter in there 15:14 caroline I didn't know where the links to the manual from Koha were made... it's good to know 15:12 ashimema been a long week as usual 15:12 ashimema I'm not onto the ktd persistency testing 15:12 ashimema right.. 15:08 ashimema okies, thanks 15:08 ashimema I like 15:08 ashimema indeed 15:08 Joubu rollback: 1 manual per version 15:08 ashimema yeah... works for me 🙂 15:08 Joubu the idea was: even if we rollback, it will still work 15:07 Joubu it's temporary, but it was the quickest and easiest 15:07 ashimema I can tick that one off my list then 🙂 15:07 ashimema cool 15:07 ashimema ok 15:07 ashimema hahaha. 15:07 Joubu I've created up to 2026 already :D 15:07 ashimema I see 15:07 Joubu yes 15:07 ashimema so you're looking to create a symlink from version to latest with each release? 15:06 Joubu 23.11 will link to "latest" on the server 15:06 Joubu what I am saying, it won't change, 23.11 will still work 15:06 ashimema I'm thinking we just hardcode latest in there for anything over 23.05 right? 15:06 ashimema https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/Koha/Manual.pm#L7 15:05 ashimema what about links from Koha's help 15:05 ashimema ok, sounds good 15:04 Joubu ashimema: https://koha-community.org/manual/23.11/fr/html/ - we have decided to stick with this for the moment. I have created ln -s on the server to point to "latest" when version is > 23.11 15:02 cait Po files removed from codebase 15:02 cait RN (Release Notes): do we want to add a quick note to Bug 35174 maybe? ( 14:55 cait I've been referring to soem blog posts on the bywater page in the past that explain some of the authority linking things more closely - might also be a good source. Not sure how much is in the manual. We import 'pre-linked' so usually don't deal with it 14:52 domm[m] cait: thanks 14:51 cait the auth linker script can also relink, but I am not very familiar with the options as we don't use it 14:51 ashimema url + version params 14:51 cait maybe that would be helpful 14:51 ashimema I'm trying to understand whats outstanding manual wise.. 14:51 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=13706 new feature, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Deduping authorities script (dedup_authorities.pl) 14:51 cait domm[m]: I was thinking of bug 13706 14:49 Joubu ashimema: yes 14:49 cait i think there is a deduplicate script floating on bugzilla - kidclamp might be good to ask about 14:49 cait sorry domm[m] - too many things going on here today :( 14:23 domm[m] ok 14:23 ashimema though we do encourage migrating things into Koha:: when possible 14:23 domm[m] ok, and also move (copy?) stuff from C4 to Koha, if I can't find equivalent in Koha? 14:23 ashimema there's obviously a pragmatism line at some point.. we wouldn't expect you to rewrite the whole of C4::Circulation in Koha:: 14:22 ashimema Yes.. if you can you should write new code using the patterns in Koha/ domm 14:22 ashimema Joubu around? 13:41 domm[m] oh, and more generally: What's the deal regarding C4 vs Koha. I think that C4 is old and Koha:: is the new way to go (based on DBIC), but when working on some new code, should I still use the old C4 stuff, or rather try to move it into Koha::? 13:39 domm[m] but before I do that I wondered if it already exists 13:39 domm[m] I can probably easly write a script that calls C4::AuthoritiesMarc->merge 13:38 domm[m] no, we have for example some manual entered auth and the same but imported from GND. Ignoring how we find the duplicates, we want to delete the "bad" auths, keep the good GND ones, but of course link all biblios using the bad to the good ones 13:37 cait we use a ...somewaht customized script for that 13:36 cait staged tools can work on authorities, bullkmarcimport maybe too, but not sure 13:36 cait domm[m]: what do you mean by merge? overlay? 13:36 ashimema so feel free to pick up from there? 13:36 cait I'Ll try to catch up 13:36 cait ok 13:36 ashimema and need some lunch now 13:35 ashimema otherwise.. I've reached 'Allow patrons to have overdue items that would not result in debarment when removing overdue debarments' 13:34 ashimema I've not gone through all the architectural ones yet.. I usually try to look at those and move them to appropriate sections if I feel they do a little more than just hidden arch stuff 13:33 ashimema but i'm by no means perfect 😜 13:33 ashimema I started at the top 13:33 domm[m] Is there a script to merge a bigish bunch of authorities (and relinking biblios)? 13:26 cait and agreed 13:26 cait somewhere you'd want me to start or just work through top down? 13:25 ashimema but for fresh install.. I think on by default is good 13:25 cait thx! 13:25 ashimema yeah.. least distrubance 13:25 ashimema it's not regular right now cait.. I'm manually triggering it pretty regularly whilst I do fixes 😜 13:25 cait I think the 'least disturbance' rule is in general good 13:25 ashimema https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-release-notes/-/blob/master/release_notes_23_06_00.md 13:24 ashimema it's always been our way.. new stuff stays hidden 13:24 ashimema it's often been an annoyance that we don't do that for me 13:24 ashimema as for enabling things by default 13:24 cait i thought i had seen 4 hours ago 13:24 cait oh 13:23 ashimema I'm building them almost every 5 minutes at the moment 😜 13:23 ashimema yup 13:23 cait goint to try and help pretty 13:23 cait ashimema: are the pre-release noes current? 13:22 cait ashimema: maybe we should just activate on new installations by default? 13:19 ashimema where as stock rotation is all about rotating individual items regularly around libraries to give everyone a fair chance of borrowing them from their local library 13:18 ashimema so a bulk transfer from wherever the items may be right now to a single place so you can use them in a display or for a reading club or something 13:18 ashimema to me it's more about 'collecting a bunch of items together' actually 13:17 ashimema think I suggested that years ago 13:17 ashimema I'd love to rename it 13:17 ashimema totally 13:16 Annelisterman[m] yes they are different and if I have understood right how rotating collection work, it is more of a tool to transfer items in batch to another library. So.. they're not actually "rotating"? 13:13 ashimema I kinda wish stock rotation wasn't hidden behind a preference.. it's a nice feature which I feel is rarely used 13:13 ashimema they're fairly different features in my opinion 13:10 Annelisterman[m] stock rotation was hard :D 13:08 cait I remember stock rotation and rotating collections specifically, naming is hard 13:08 cait Annelisterman[m]: I know waht you mean, in the past we had some discussion on the koha-de list 13:08 cait1 too many caits again... 13:07 cait1 lol 13:04 Annelisterman[m] still translating prefs. And had to leave some strings without translation in the staff-prog because we haven't come up suitable names for some of the new features. 13:01 tcohen[m] cait2++ 13:01 tcohen[m] cait1++ 13:01 tcohen[m] cait++ 12:41 cait DONE https://translate.koha-community.org/projects/koha/master/-/de/ 12:29 cait 43 Installer entries... Jurisdiction governed ? 11:41 tcohen[m] Thanks 11:35 Joubu https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/10508 11:35 Joubu ttps://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/10508 11:34 Joubu yes, it didn't work, see weblate's issue 11:32 tcohen[m] Joubu did you update weblate ? 10:57 magnuse cait++ 10:43 cait "Total item investigations" - PI? :) 10:43 cait off to the installer we go 10:43 cait finishes prefs! 10:34 Joubu it's usually done in the next couple of days after the tag is pushed 10:34 cait do we have an estimate for that? 10:31 Joubu yes 10:31 cait ah, dpeendson the i10n pacakge building? 10:29 Joubu cait: there is no cut off from tcohen[m] 10:28 thd cait: Yes, avoiding false information would be good. However, leaving it out may be the same work as a manual fix and some people prefer somewhat incorrect information on schedule with an update later instead of a delay. There may be more important bugs which could be fixed with a delay. A scheduled release cycle has that inherent problem. 10:27 cait 25 more for prefs... and installer wlel. 10:27 cait still racing trasnaltion deadlie.. tell me when you cut off? 10:26 cait good morning tcohen 10:24 magnuse ah, thanks! 10:18 Joubu memcached 10:17 magnuse is there something else than restarting plack needed to make changes to /etc/koha/sites/mykoha/log4perl.conf "take"? 10:08 cait maybe we should leave the info out, if it's incorrect 09:54 paulderscheid[m] Hi #koha 09:54 thd ashimema: Are you present? 09:53 thd Good morning. 09:53 tcohen[m] Good morning 09:52 tcohen[m] I'll fix then manually if needed 09:46 magnuse i was sondering about the numbers here: https://translate.koha-community.org/projects/koha/master/staff-prog/nb_NO/ it says "10,926 All strings — 50,311 words" but also "10,926 Unfinished strings without suggestions — 50,311 words" but there are definitely some translated strings... 09:46 Joubu I won't, and Tomas will certainly not have time for that... 09:45 Joubu but it will need to be done today 09:45 Joubu we can fix the 100%, yes I guess 09:45 cait it's a lot of work poeple put in to treach that 09:45 cait if something has 100% it woudl be great if we could say that 09:45 magnuse Joubu++ 09:45 cait can we fix manually? 09:45 cait oh 09:41 Joubu not a bit deal, but letting you know that we know ;) 09:41 Joubu the release notes (translations %) will not be correct either 09:41 Joubu confusion, for instance Spanish is 100% translated but it says 90% 09:40 cait what is the consequence? 09:38 Joubu it's reported there https://github.com/WeblateOrg/weblate/issues/10508 09:38 Joubu the stats are not updated 09:38 Joubu the values on https://translate.koha-community.org/projects/koha/master/#languages are not correct 09:38 Joubu ok 09:29 cait Joubu: sorry, I didn't see your question right away 09:29 cait trying to finish prefs 09:29 cait s 09:29 cait ye 09:29 cait I am translating 09:15 magnuse i was doing some in the last hour, yes 09:08 Joubu cait1: you are as well? 09:07 Joubu magnuse: are you currently translating? 08:26 huginn` ashimema: The operation succeeded. 08:26 ashimema @later tell caroline hopefully it was a blip.. the youtube link works for me.. it's the KohaILS channel rather than the PTFS specific one. 08:15 krimsonkharne[m] morning all 07:43 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded. 07:43 Joubu @later tell lds sandboxes fixed! 07:40 magnuse Joubu++ 07:38 Joubu upgrading weblate 07:02 reiveune hello 00:23 tcohen[m] Go for Contabo, I say as a happy DO user 00:00 dcook_ budget is always a tricky one