Time Nick Message
06:37 reiveune hello
07:05 magnuse_ \o/
07:19 krimsonkharne[m] morning #koha
07:30 cait good morning all
07:45 NikolayGospodinov[m] Hello. I want to ask how to change the reader for pdf files in Koha?
07:52 cait Koha doesn't include a reader for PDF files
07:52 cait itt comes from your system/browser addons
07:52 cait Koha only links to PDF files - how they are opened is outside of the application
07:53 NikolayGospodinov[m] Ok, but is it possible to connect to link in the bibliographic record with my one reader
07:54 NikolayGospodinov[m] s/to/the/
08:43 asif Help: Hi i am new koha 23.05 user i want to know when i enter record by clicking cataloging> Add MARC record please let me know about required field like 040$C Transcribing agency mandatory field what to write here or can i skip this field.
08:46 krimsonkharne[m] grr.. won't be able to join the Documentation Meeting today, too many projects open at the same time..
08:47 krimsonkharne[m] krimsonkharnesF43BIIowoNiL4p
08:47 krimsonkharne[m] whoops lol
08:48 krimsonkharne[m] asif: you can always check out the LOC info about a MARC field using the question mark link next to the field
08:48 krimsonkharne[m] here for instance: https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd040.html
08:48 krimsonkharne[m] "MARC code or the name of the organization that transcribed the record into machine-readable form. "
08:48 krimsonkharne[m] afaik it's usually the ISIL of the transcribing organization, which if you're the library transcribing the record, then it would be you
08:49 paulderscheid[m] krimsonkharne[m]: Welcome to the club krimsonkharne :D
08:49 krimsonkharne[m] lol
08:50 krimsonkharne[m] it'll be better after tomorrow. I'll follow the meeting notes :-)
08:53 krimsonkharne[m] LOC being one of the most important organs for MARC data, by the way.. at least MARC21.. always good to check their explanations asif
08:55 asif Krimsonkharne means LOC value will come here am i right?
08:55 aw-bib[m] I was actually wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to have an uplink to LoC docs in the interface. the urls can be constructed like https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd%s.html replacing %s by the field tag (which I use for ages as a search shortcut in ff)
08:57 krimsonkharne[m] asif: no, you would enter the MARC code or name of the organization that transcribed the data. I'm no librarian nor an expert, so I don't know if the field is even strictly necessary. Our clients often have the ISIL of the library from which they got MARC data in 040$c - for instance if I imported data from the german national library, it already has their ISIL in 040$a. But I don't know if it's necessary to fill the field with your own
08:57 krimsonkharne[m] ISIL if you're cataloguing yourself and not importing data.
08:58 krimsonkharne[m] g2g now.. later all!
08:59 NikolayGospodinov[m] Hello. I want to ask, is it possible to change the interface view of normal view?
09:08 davidnind Nikolay Gospodinov: If you know XSLT, you can customise - see the OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay system preference (I don't know anything about XSLT, so not much help I'm afraid)
09:14 davidnind aw-bib: for MARC21, the ? next to each tag in the record editor goes to the Library of Congress information (unless you have changed the MarcFieldDocURL system preference) (for UNIMARC, the link to IFLA no longer works properly since they updated their website a few years ago)
09:15 aw-bib[m] indeed! I missed the ? as a link. perfect! :)
09:15 cait aw-bib[m]: the link is also configurable, I think there might be a german translation now that is similarly structured
09:16 cait i usually prefer the English original :)
09:16 aw-bib[m] dito. usually translations tend to add confusion. ;)
09:31 cait they also tend to be more current
09:55 magnuse davidnind++
09:57 cait Joubu: I am going to test bug 33606 - anything I should know?
09:57 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33606 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Access to ERM requires parameters => 'manage_sysprefs'
09:59 Joubu you should know how to fix the FA problems
09:59 cait FA?
09:59 cait yarn build?
09:59 Joubu font awesome, the icons
09:59 Joubu "I've noticed some icons missing."
09:59 cait hm ok
10:00 cait not usre if I know where there have been icons before
10:00 cait I was just hoping to finally get this rolling because it blocks use of ERM in 23.05
10:01 cait I'll have a go
10:02 cait isit because we have the older FA in 23.05?
10:02 cait then I can probably figure it out
10:03 cait just git fetching, will start after lunch
10:11 krimsonkharne[m] back again..
10:13 krimsonkharne[m] <cait> "i usually prefer the English..." <- we tried configuring the link to use the DNB / German National Library MARC21 tag descriptions, it would have worked but unfortunately DNB has their tag descriptions in a PDF document, not on a website... so you can't really link to a specific tag in the PDF
10:13 krimsonkharne[m] at least, I can't ;-)
10:36 oleonard Hi #koha
10:41 asif anyone configured openssl on koha site i mean https who can help me koha 23.05 on ubuntu 22.04
10:44 cait krimsonkharne[m]: I think the kobv did something for the Alma libraries
10:45 cait that matches the LOC
10:45 cait but I didn't find it in a quick search earlier
10:45 krimsonkharne[m] oh, good to know.. I'll take a look
10:45 cait i'll check our wiki, maybe the link is hiding there :)
10:46 krimsonkharne[m] got it maybe?
10:46 krimsonkharne[m] https://www.alma-dach.org/alma-marc/bibliographic/001/001.html
10:46 cait ah
10:46 cait I think that's it
10:46 krimsonkharne[m] that's a great tip, thanks cait!
10:46 krimsonkharne[m] cait++
10:46 cait I am not sure if there are any Alma specifics in it
10:47 krimsonkharne[m] I'm sure we'll find out ;-)
10:47 cait possibly :)
10:47 cait if you have the link structure figured out, maybe you can share how to set the pref
10:47 cait i'd add that to our docs
10:52 krimsonkharne[m] hmm.. unfortunately it looks like you can only use a given placeholder once in the url in the pref MarcFieldDocURL
10:52 krimsonkharne[m] and the alma-dach links use the field number twice in the url
10:53 krimsonkharne[m] so if you add the following to the syspref:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/SJrFdaZHQeuzSdpPGvMpqfDY>)
10:55 krimsonkharne[m] wait
10:55 krimsonkharne[m] never mind
10:55 krimsonkharne[m] you can just open https://www.alma-dach.org/alma-marc/bibliographic/{FIELD}
10:55 krimsonkharne[m] yeah https://www.alma-dach.org/alma-marc/bibliographic/{FIELD} works just fine in MarcFieldDocURL
10:56 krimsonkharne[m] also alma-dach doesn't have koha specific fields like 942$
10:56 krimsonkharne[m] maybe we should do a koha-dach MARC21 tag descriptions website at some point... :-)
11:02 tcohen[m] morning #koha
11:03 cait krimsonkharne[m]: that's... not a half-bad idea :)
11:04 cait I was also hesitating to put alma branded links in my koha ;)
11:06 krimsonkharne[m] yeah, I see how it could lead to problems if the users don't know it's alma specific
11:06 krimsonkharne[m] cait: let's talk about it in our next koha-dach meeting, I'll put it on my agenda!
11:07 cait I am not sure if that one is or if the work is just funded by their user group
11:10 aw-bib[m] I wonder how kobv did it. I mean, I do not fully exclude that they had a very diligent librarian just hacking it down from the official dnb document, but maybe there is also some machine readable version at dnb. could be tath it's based on the xls sheet published by dnb at https://www.dnb.de/DE/Professionell/Metadatendienste/Exportformate/MARC21/marc21_node.html
11:12 cait I could probably find out if needed
11:14 cait krimsonkharne++ btw :)
11:14 krimsonkharne[m] :)
11:15 krimsonkharne[m] aw-bib[m]: that would make sense
11:17 cait where did you see the machine readable one?
11:18 aw-bib[m] there is an xls packed into a zip-file.
11:18 cait ah ok
11:18 aw-bib[m] https://www.dnb.de/SharedDocs/Downloads/DE/Professionell/Metadatendienste/Exportformate/MARC21/marc21FeldbeschreibungTiteldatenExcel20230306.zip?__blob=publicationFile&v=4
11:18 cait I hadn't opened it
11:18 cait thx!
11:19 aw-bib[m] :)
11:20 krimsonkharne[m] aw-bib++
11:20 cait it's nice to see the growig number of German users online here :)
11:24 marcelr o/
11:24 cait hi marcelr
11:24 marcelr guten tag cait
11:25 cait do you want to join our German speaking Koha users group? :)
11:28 aude_c[m] Hello, we'll be starting the Koha Documentation meeting in a few minutes. We'll be using Jitsi Meet and taking some notes in here. See https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_meeting_25_October_2023 for meeting link and full details
11:28 marie-luce Hi Koha
11:29 cait Joubu: fixed the icons
11:29 cait :)
11:29 cait hi all
11:29 cait hm or maybe not... but working on it
11:31 krimsonkharne[m] aude_c[m]: great, I can join after all then! I had the time wrong in my calendar
11:33 marcelr @later tell tcohen[m] 31503 rebased
11:33 huginn marcelr: The operation succeeded.
11:34 marie-luce <#startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2023-10-25
11:34 marie-luce #chair marie-luce
11:34 marie-luce #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_meeting_25_October_2023
11:34 marie-luce #topic Introductions
11:35 marie-luce #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Qc
11:35 kellym #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions
11:35 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
11:35 krimsonkharne[m] #info Philip Orr, LMSCloud, Germany
11:36 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
11:36 ashimema juggling meetings as ever however 😜
11:36 marie-luce #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2023-10-25
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11:36 aude_c[m] #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK
11:36 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
11:36 marie-luce #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_meeting_25_October_2023
11:36 marie-luce #topic Introductions
11:36 krimsonkharne[m] #info Philip Orr, LMSCloud, Germany
11:36 kellym #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions
11:36 SMeynieux[m] #info Sophie Meynieux, BibLibre
11:36 marie-luce #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Qc
11:36 davidnind #info David Nind, New Zealand
11:36 marie-luce #chair marie-luce
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11:37 marie-luce #chair kellym
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11:37 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
11:37 cait (slightly distracted, but here) :)
11:37 aude_c[m] #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibrom Canada
11:38 marie-luce #topic Review of action points
11:39 tcohen[m] #info Tomas Cohen Arazi
11:40 marie-luce #info the project of automated screenshot is still ongoing
11:44 marie-luce #info Caroline mentioned that at this point we believe only 65% of all images can be automated
11:45 marie-luce #topic What's been done so far
11:46 marie-luce #info automated screenshots
11:46 marie-luce #info Caroline and Joubu are looking on how it can be done
11:47 kellym #action use cypress to generate the code for 10 easy images - this code will be helpful to Joubu
11:47 marie-luce #topic How to maintain only one manual
11:48 marie-luce #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32391
11:48 huginn 04Bug 32391: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Reorganise the manual contents
11:51 marie-luce #info Joubu talked about the possibility to remove older versions (in every language) in the next month
11:53 marie-luce #idea Sophie is concerned about undocumented functionalities in the current version
11:58 kellym #info all older manuals are available on the Koha website under documentation.
11:59 marie-luce #info Joubu would love to clean and ease the way the current manual is maintain in only one git branch.
12:00 cait sorry afk for a few minutes
12:02 marie-luce #info From 23.11, we will only maintain one manual
12:02 marie-luce #topic Re-organising the manual (David Nind)
12:02 cait back
12:03 marie-luce #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32391
12:03 huginn 04Bug 32391: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Reorganise the manual contents
12:06 marie-luce #info David ask for some feedbacks. Please add them in the bz32391.
12:10 marie-luce #idea Maybe, we could add a summary of new features in the manual.
12:10 marie-luce #topic Migration to Weblate (Joubu)
12:16 marie-luce #info Joubu suggest to downsized by keeping only one file.
12:22 marie-luce #info There are some concerns about losing the various chapters (aka files), since there are used to prioritize sections that need to be translated first.
12:24 marie-luce #info At the moment, Pootle allows to search sections which is very useful.
12:26 marie-luce #topic Documentation Team roles for 24.05
12:26 marie-luce #info Please add your names...
12:27 marie-luce #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_24.05
12:28 marie-luce #info Next meeting: 29 Novembere 2023, 14 UTC
12:30 davidnind #endmeeting
12:30 marie-luce #endmeeting
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12:30 davidnind marie-luce++
12:30 marie-luce thanks davidnind
12:31 davidnind I think it was your one that worked!
12:31 oleonard doc_team++
12:34 aude_c[m] marie-luce++
12:53 ashimema marcelr around?
12:53 marcelr yes
12:53 marcelr go ahead
12:54 ashimema I'm not really sure what still needs doing on bug 29523
12:54 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29523 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, BLOCKED , Add a way to prevent embedding objects that should not be allowed
12:54 marcelr yes i was just thinking the same actually :)
12:54 ashimema are you suggesting going through the specs and accepting 'Or null' and that would get us over the line?
12:54 ashimema or do you feel there's still more to do
12:54 marcelr i would not like to change specs now
12:55 ashimema think I need some guidance on next steps.. happy to work on them but I'm out of ideas
12:55 marcelr there is perhaps more to do but perhaps on follow-up ?
12:55 marcelr just a bit worried on developer issues with mismatches between our subs and the specs
12:56 ashimema mm
12:56 marcelr we should not make life too much harder
12:56 marcelr and Joubu's remark about doing it on embeds only
12:57 ashimema mm.. I kinda feel like that's what we're actually doing already.. though not deliberately
12:57 ashimema maybe I'm wrong
12:57 ashimema i'm going on memory rather than having looked at the code again
12:58 marcelr we make very limited use now of accessible/redact; so the current stand does not harm
12:58 marcelr and can be fine tuned later?
12:58 ashimema mmm, though I totally get where you're coming from wanting to get it all done
12:59 ashimema I'm just also aware this has held up other devs (or opened up security leaks in other bugs by not being here yet) for a couple of years already
12:59 marcelr yeah we need to push a version now before friday
12:59 ashimema not quite 2 years.. but only a month off.
12:59 ashimema good guess
13:00 marcelr i dont think that a hasty overhaul now will make us more happy
13:00 marcelr i am inclined to pass qa now
13:00 ashimema agreed
13:01 ashimema I am tempted to add some additional documentation into the top of the spec file.. to clarify 'public' vs 'accessible' as it were
13:01 ashimema for consumers
13:01 marcelr that would be helpful
13:01 ashimema we don't really describe out behaviour at all yet
13:01 marcelr please add it
13:02 ashimema we just implement it without
13:02 ashimema I'll do that now.. I have an hour before me next meeting
13:02 marcelr i will still think about it too and pqa after
13:02 ashimema maybe just documenting it will help clarify in my own mind what's outstanding and if that outstanding is 'NOW' or 'Can wait, with commitment to follow up'
13:02 ashimema thanks
13:06 oleonard I could use advice on how to update my patches moving sysprefs to additional_contents
13:06 oleonard I'm not sure what is the correct way to get the insert id from the additional_contents insert for the additional_contents_localization insert
13:08 oleonard If anyone knows an example to point me to...?
13:10 Joubu oleonard: bug number?
13:11 oleonard Bug 34894
13:11 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34894 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert OpacSuppressionMessage system preference to HTML customization
13:11 Joubu marcelr: looks like it already works for embed only
13:12 Joubu it does not affect /patrons/{patron_id}
13:12 Joubu oleonard: git grep last_insert_id
13:13 marcelr i was testing it with libraries and it affects /libraries (also without embed)
13:13 Joubu oleonard: If I understand correctly what you are looking for
13:13 marcelr look at the code; there is a loop for fields and embeds
13:20 oleonard Thanks Joubu
13:23 Joubu oleonard: IIRC the best is the retrieve the ID. Apparently you have the 3 values for the primary key, so you could fetch it
13:24 Joubu The problem is that last_insert_id will retrieve the last inserted ID, but if the query before failed, you get a wrong one
13:25 Joubu otoh the upgrade should crash if the INSERT failed. But if later we add 'IGNORE' to the insert, it could be problematic (to confirm...)
13:26 oleonard Okay
13:39 ashimema we do use some 'search_limited' stuff I think.. adding this stuff in does confuse that.. we're going to end up with searches that limit and embeds that don't.. I think?
13:40 ashimema and 404's on direct get where we might now want a redacted object instead
13:40 ashimema but I still think maybe we should go with what we've got and add next steps to the roadmap for the next cycle
13:40 ashimema I feel like a lot will become more achievable with a switch to OpenAPI3+
13:40 ashimema right now we're missing a lot of validation because OpenAPI2/Swagger simply doesn't support it.
13:46 caroline Someone asked me in private what is 040$c but when I answered, the nick doesn't exist anymore... so here is my answer for the logs, in case anyone searches for 040$c
13:46 caroline Normally, 040$c contains your library's code. It's mostly useful if you share records, so that other libraries know who catalogued the record. You can remove the mandatory flag in Administration > MARC bibliographic framework > Default framework (or other) > MARC structure > 040 > Edit subfields > c > uncheck Mandatory > Save
13:54 marcelr ashimema will take a last dive in the wonderous world of api embedding :)
13:55 marcelr could use a dive cert
13:55 ashimema PADI1
13:55 ashimema 🙂
13:57 marcelr Peptidyl arginine deiminase ?
13:59 * ashimema was thinking of https://www.padi.com
13:59 marcelr sure lol
14:00 * marcelr so glad to have entered the first reference to Peptidyl in our irc logs :)
14:01 ashimema lol
14:23 caroline I'm looking at the weblate interface and it seems easy to search by "location" (i.e. manual chapter) to translate only that one chapter and the strings seem to be in order of the chapter rather than alpahbetical https://snipboard.io/LQW84m.jpg
14:24 caroline not that I want to relaunch what seemed to be a controversial discussion lol
14:30 marcelr ashimema: in the API we call search_limited if it is available (Plugin/Objects.pm: $result_set = $result_set->search_limited, if $result_set->can('search_limited');)
14:31 ashimema indeed
14:32 ashimema that's where I'm a bit opaque at the minute.. it sort of hides some things.. but in a rather different way
14:32 ashimema by limiting the search scoping
14:32 ashimema meeting time for me now.. be back in about an hour
14:32 marcelr see you later
15:17 caroline cait still around?
15:22 oleonard Any QA around who could check my follow-up on Bug 34869?
15:22 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34869 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Convert OPACResultsSidebar system preference to HTML customization
15:22 cait yes, but just packing up
15:22 cait soemthing quick?
15:23 caroline depends... I just wanted to let you know that we now have the kohacon website at the https://2024.kohacon.org/ domain
15:23 caroline if you could change it on the website, but it's really not urgent
15:24 cait can you remind me tomorrow maybe?
15:24 caroline sure no prob!
15:24 cait just in case i forget
15:25 cait thx!
15:25 cait bye all
15:30 reiveune bye
16:57 paulderscheid[m] Thanks for taking care of bug 33766 oleonard :) oleonard++
16:57 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33766 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Needs Signoff , Accessibility: Fix ambiguous form-field in opac-auth.tt
17:03 oleonard You're welcome paulderscheid[m], I was in a rebasing mood
17:28 cait1 caroline: updated the website link
17:40 cait1 inlibro++ # doing a great job already!
17:47 davidnind caroline++
17:47 davidnind inlibro++
18:01 davidnind caroline: only one email came through for the Kohacon24 update
18:16 caroline cait1++ thanks!
18:17 caroline davidnind, thanks! I couldn't find it in the archives so I sent it again. It's not the first time this happens, I'm not sure why it does
18:18 davidnind thta would be very annoying!
19:12 oleonard We could simplify the licenses tab a lot to avoid those translation issues. For example: https://snipboard.io/QitqwD.jpg
19:13 caroline I like! Simple and says what it needs to say
19:15 oleonard Some of the entries include copyright information, and I think we should leave it out. A link to the project and the license should be enough
19:16 caroline as long as we have what is required by the project/plugin
19:17 * cait1 waves