Time Nick Message 23:59 davidnind #KohaCon23 #PerlKohaCon - The individual videos are available at https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa9kvrI3VLf7ZvLvJk9EtlnF2OVETvddm and slides at https://www.doria.fi/handle/10024/187615 22:49 davidnind I'll see what happens with the people I did the password resets for. 22:48 davidnind thanks thd! 22:46 thd davidnind: The text of email generated by MediaWiki should be recorded somewhere in the database and could be found somewhere in a database dump but I do not have access to the SMTP logs and have not found appropriate logs in the Canasta MediaWiki Docker container. There is an extension EmailLogger which we could try to install if we would need it. 21:08 cait puphaus++ 20:59 aleisha but that ID totally exists in the DB. wonder if it's a timing issue 20:57 aleisha [2023/09/14 08:52:57] [WARN] No job found for id=2141 main:: /usr/share/koha/bin/workers/background_jobs_worker.pl (133) 20:57 aleisha ive found more info that might help.... logs in worker-output.log 20:48 aleisha bizarre! 20:37 caroline Now I have the problem that my bg jobs for imports show something like 12000/1000 however... Not sure if it's related, but in the hands of a dev 20:32 aleisha thank you for that! 20:31 caroline aleisha, done! Let me/us know if it helped at all, maybe someone else will come looking for an answer 20:26 aleisha caroline: worth a try! can you please forward that to koha-developer@catalyst.net.nz ? 20:26 aleisha yes the progress, status is New 20:26 caroline I can't say I understand what I was told to do, but I can forward you the information if you want (note that we have a very specific environment that doesn't seem to be koha standard, so it might not apply) 20:24 caroline oh I think we had that too... we had to change something in each of our /etc/systemd/system/ 20:24 tcohen[m] NULL/1 means the progress? 20:23 aleisha we're having some issues with background jobs being stuck at Null/1 on a Koha 23.05x - any ideas? 20:23 aleisha hello all 19:42 puphaus[m] * help and are happy to give the 19:41 puphaus[m] No problem, we're happy to help and give the koha community something back :) 19:31 tcohen[m] sorry for not promptly answering it 19:29 tcohen[m] I'd be really happy not to have to deal with (also) this things 19:29 tcohen[m] will go back to it 19:29 tcohen[m] puphaus: I saw your email pass by 19:29 davidnind thd: I don't know if you can access the outgoing email logs - could you have a look at the open requests and see if emails were sent for them? (covers 17 August until now - 8 requests remaining) 19:24 davidnind I've only done 2, so I hope that doesn't overload things... 19:23 * thd was afraid to try password reset with things working so slowly ;) 19:22 davidnind thd: I've done password resets for two BibLibre staff who weren't receiving emails - have asked them to let me know if they receive them, for account ManuB could you check the email address (I have e DOT betemps AT gmail DOT com) 19:20 thd s/we subsequently/tcohen and his system administrator subsequently/ 19:19 thd ing a message from the Koha wiki. 19:19 thd davidnind: I think that tcohen is reporting that we subsequently worked around the earlier reported problem for the SMTP server and should have been good for a while now. However, maintaining server reputation is tricky as any server can be falsely flagged as bad. My own system should not be interfering much which could explain the issue at the moment if I was flooded today with bad messages and my system had to parse all of them before pars 19:05 tcohen[m] for this purpose 19:05 tcohen[m] we (Theke) set a dedicated Postfix SMTP server 19:02 davidnind tcohen's conclusion was that "..the server we are using is on some IP block that is added to a deny-list very often.." (see comment #4) 19:00 * thd will try testing again for speed in a couple of days or so with simultaneous test for spend when sending from some other systems. 19:00 davidnind puphaus++ 18:58 davidnind of the waiting accounts, only two have confirmed - will try resets for the accounts where an issue was raised (x2 for BibLibre staff) and see if they receive them 18:58 thd We need more testing to see if it is not merely unlucky me at the time of this one test if tcohen reports good speed with Gmail, etc. 18:56 puphaus[m] My employer would be happy to provide an smtp relay :) I wrote tomas an email with the infos but i don't know if he already read it 18:56 thd Messages are definitely being sent. My one test today showed very slow message receipt for me but all my other messages might have been slow. However, I was not running anything special on my receiving mail server. 18:53 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34637 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Wiki - email notifications aren't being sent (account registrations, password resets, etc.) 18:53 davidnind thd: bug 34637 - I think the solution was a "proper" SMTP server... still an issue I think 18:53 thd It could have been my system in this case and the unfortunate user's system a month ago. I did not do a test for time of receipt otherwise. I was merely checking that the messages went through. 18:51 Dyrcona Anyone considered the possibility of teergrube? Some server sends a temporary failure: "come back in X minutes"? 18:50 thd I was just checking following a report from a month ago where someone claimed to have no messages when attempting to create an account. 18:49 tcohen[m] yeah, our tests are always fine, on Google and other email systems 18:49 tcohen[m] someone offered a company's SMTP 18:49 tcohen[m] that reminds me 18:48 thd tcohen: See above for test indicating rather slow response on your mail system connected to the wiki. Nothing broken, just much delayed to the point where people may think that it is broken. I assume that the server for the mail system becomes very busy sometimes. 18:43 thd davidnind: Wiki new account email confirmation messages are working in my testing but merely delayed by perhaps ten or twenty minutes in my test for email confirmation and perhaps one or two hours in my test for account creation after email confirmation. Perhaps the system running the mail server used by the wiki becomes very busy at least some of the time. 17:54 tcohen[m] looking forward to see your site 17:46 paulderscheid[m] But already done for the day 17:45 paulderscheid[m] Yeah 17:45 paulderscheid[m] Hi 17:29 tcohen[m] paulderscheid: around? 17:27 tcohen[m] I didn't know we were migrating that! 17:27 tcohen[m] oh 16:09 oleonard paulderscheid[m]++ 16:07 paulderscheid[m] Just a PSA: Making solid progress w/ the website migration (Koha-community.org). Will share a link w/ a Demo tomorrow. 15:59 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Works except that the $PrivacyPolicyURL isn't interpolated" (5 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/26094 15:42 caroline ah! makes sense 15:42 oleonard caroline: Sometimes patches are too large to put in Bugzilla 15:40 caroline I'm guessing it's because it would make too many patches? 15:39 caroline Is there a reason to have it on a gitlab branch rather than a patch? Just wondering bc it's different from the usual 15:38 caroline I think it might be broken, like you said... I could book for the same period, and the styling could be improved a bit 15:37 ashimema I need to dig into it again.. I have a feeling it's broken in various rebases 15:36 ashimema it's on another bug 15:36 caroline Is the OPAC side going to be another bug? 15:36 caroline ashimema, what is the plan for the OPAC side? I only tested the staff side 15:36 cait now we 'just' need to get it in? :) 15:35 caroline the feature seems to answer the need of the organization +1 15:35 cait time to prepare dinner here - bye all! 15:35 cait :) 15:35 caroline I was interrupted to be asked about a feature similar to bookings! I will try to go back in and test again this week 15:34 cait maybe it really just needs a bit more practice 15:34 cait team work - everyone wrote a bit 15:33 caroline I was interrupted, but to finish my thoughts on the notes, I think you did a good job cait :) 15:31 cait I am trying to remember one of the follow-ups on the bug we both worked on 15:30 cait what if we combined with tx( t(? 15:30 cait you are right 15:29 oleonard That works reasonably well because "MARCOverlayRules" doesn't have to be translated 15:29 cait maybe using I18N we coudl improve on this some more 15:28 cait maybe not great, but better? 15:28 huginn 04Bug 29589: minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, CLOSED FIXED, Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page 15:28 cait here: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29589 15:26 cait just trying to remember where 15:26 cait we figured out a way 15:26 cait we have some examples with system prferences in sentences 15:24 oleonard And we don't really have a good way of handling a sentence with a link in it do we? Especially not a link which has a template variable in it. 15:24 tcohen[m] We should record them. Or use a tool that takes notes for us, like Zoom 15:24 oleonard The patched version is better but still far from ideal 15:24 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34781 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Add a span tag around GDPR text in opac-memberentry 15:24 oleonard I've been looking at Bug 34781 and trying to understand the translation issue 15:22 cait maybe it takes soem practice 15:22 reiveune bye 15:16 caroline we have to take great notes, like in-person meetings 15:15 caroline I agree, it's not really possible to follow the meeting if you're not in it 15:13 thd I also do not generally favour audio/visual meeting records. However, our meeting logs are sparse now for those who cannot attend a particular meeting in person. 15:10 thd I waited so that I would not be the first in the meeting with agenda instructions to log in to some non-free system for sharing the meeting. 15:09 caroline we only "recorded" the info and decisions in IRC with the logs 15:09 cait and I am not sure if jitsi woudl work well for ur with even more people, it's a bit hard to manage, agenda, IRC and jitsi 15:09 caroline no we didn't talk about that at all 15:09 cait I am ot a big fan of video records of meeting tbh 15:08 cait I missed it too then 15:08 thd No, but the issue about whether to record or send to Youtube had been at the top of the agenda. 15:08 cait tcohen? 15:07 cait I don't think we record? 15:07 thd Did I miss the part of the meeting for any discussion about recording the meeting? 15:03 cait feels like a big hug :) 15:00 khall cait++ 15:00 cait lol 15:00 cait khall++ kidclamp++ emlam++ caroline++ 15:00 tcohen[m] emlam++ 15:00 cait tcohen++ all++ caroline++oleonard++ koha++ thd++ ashimema++ (i need an alias for this) 14:59 tcohen[m] ashimema++ 14:59 tcohen[m] khall++ 14:59 tcohen[m] kidclamp++ 14:59 tcohen[m] caroline++ 14:59 caroline cait++ 14:59 tcohen[m] oleonard++ 14:59 caroline tcohen++ 14:59 tcohen[m] davidnind++ 14:59 tcohen[m] koha++ 14:59 tcohen[m] cait++ 14:59 tcohen[m] thd++ 14:59 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2023/development_meeting_13_september_2023.2023-09-13-14.06.log.html 14:59 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2023/development_meeting_13_september_2023.2023-09-13-14.06.txt 14:59 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2023/development_meeting_13_september_2023.2023-09-13-14.06.html 14:59 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 13 14:59:22 2023 UTC. 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(v 0.1.4) 14:59 tcohen[m] #endmeeting 14:59 tcohen[m] thank you thd 14:59 cait i can't end 14:59 cait #endmeeting 14:59 cait #info Next meeting: 27 September 2023, 12 UTC 14:59 thd 12 UTc 14:58 cait i need the time in utc 14:58 cait i have he syntax 14:58 thd Syntax for date 14:55 ashimema meeting dissapeared for me but is back now 14:55 tcohen[m] what happened? 14:54 cait #action tcohen to have a look at renaming master branch to main 14:52 cait #info Weblate needs more work, maybe wiating on new version to improve possibilities for better organizing our files/versions 14:46 cait #info DMARC need to get in touch with list admins to discuss changes to mailman configuration 14:41 cait #info tcohen tested update to forgejo 14:40 lukeg hi 14:37 tcohen[m] #topic Actions from last meeting 14:37 tcohen[m] #info Aiming for September 14:35 tcohen[m] #info There are plans to book two rooms, to have a technical track, if there's enough interest on it 14:28 cait #info Looking for a venue, exact dates and location to come 14:28 tcohen[m] #topic KohaCon24 update 14:28 cait #info Po files for 22.11 manual are available now! 14:28 tcohen[m] #topic KohaCon23 thank you! 14:26 tcohen[m] #work is being done to identify what screenshots need to be taken and how. identifying the hard ones and see if it is worth 14:25 tcohen[m] #info please take a look at the roadmap items, help devs keep the pace 14:23 cait #info Bug 17427 - Replace CGI::Session with Data::Session - needs input, maybe altenrative solution? 14:22 ashimema it's been needed for years 14:21 cait It's in Discussion but needed to move items display to API 14:21 cait Talking about Bug 29523 - Add a way to prevent embedding objects that should not be allowed 14:19 ashimema Computer crashed.. still restarting 14:18 kidclamp #info bookings has been updated to latest fedback and the sandbox is ready for testing 14:18 cait ? 14:18 cait ashimema: status of the bookings :) 14:15 tcohen[m] #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_for_23.11 14:15 tcohen[m] #topic Status of roadmap projects 14:15 cait #info Please do more QA! :) 14:14 tcohen[m] #info some big features moved the last weeks 14:14 tcohen[m] #info too many things in the queue, nasty bugs that need backporting 14:13 tcohen[m] #topic Updates from the QA Team 14:12 cait rmaints? 14:12 tcohen[m] #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:11 kidclamp oops, he's fast :-) 14:11 kidclamp any announcements on IRC? 14:11 tcohen[m] #topic Update from the Release manager (23.11) 14:10 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_Meeting_13_September_2023 agenda 14:10 tcohen[m] #topic Announcements 14:09 cait In now, but just got kicked out 14:07 tcohen[m] #link https://meet.jit.si/KohaDevelopmentMeeting 14:07 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, QC, Canada 14:07 emlam #info Emily Lamancusa, Montgomery County Public Libraries, Maryland, USA 14:07 cait did I miss the jitsi link? 14:07 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ 14:07 tcohen[m] #info Tomas Cohen Arazi 14:07 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 14:07 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:06 tcohen[m] #topic Introductions 14:06 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_meeting_13_september_2023' 14:06 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:06 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 13 14:06:43 2023 UTC. The chair is tcohen[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:06 tcohen[m] #startmeeting Development Meeting 13 September 2023 14:05 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chairing_meetings 14:05 ashimema audio issues.. as usual 14:05 ashimema just restarting so I can join the jitsi 13:50 tcohen[m] and I'll keep the session open 13:50 tcohen[m] I logged in to check 13:49 cait is the link online yet? 13:47 tcohen[m] we have jitsi meeting today 13:12 caroline Thanks cait! I remembered seeing it in my thunderbird calendar, but I don't see it anymore for some reason 12:59 cait in an hour 12:59 cait yes: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_Meeting_13_September_2023 12:58 cait next irc meetings? 12:58 cait next meetings? 12:58 cait hm maybe? 12:55 caroline Is there a meeting today? 12:55 * oleonard bbl 12:45 caroline hello! 12:44 oleonard Hi caroline 12:25 cait :) 12:17 ashimema hugs 12:17 ashimema I'll have a proper deep dive for you marcelr.. 12:17 marcelr thx 12:16 ashimema 10:00 - 15:00 12:16 ashimema I've slotted in 5 hours! 12:15 ashimema but I'm meeting free tomorrow.. surprisingly.. 12:15 ashimema I'd stuck it in my diary.. I need to finish getting my support queue under control today 12:15 ashimema right.. 12:14 ashimema I need to fight to have a community day a week again 12:14 marcelr locally 12:14 marcelr when going to 23.11 12:13 marcelr looks like i will be rebasing it again next summer.. 12:13 ashimema yeah.. this is one of those 'big' ones 12:13 ashimema I really liked where it was heading when I looked at it almost a year ago 12:13 ashimema I think I need to schedule a proper slot to look at this consent type stuff 12:13 cait working thorugh someting big takes time and no interruptions, hard to find stuff 12:12 cait but I also prefer the smaller stuff, because I only have capacity for a few of the big ones and only if I can fit them into daytime really 12:12 marcelr pushing one dev sometimes blocks other stuff again 12:11 cait I am tring to be part of the solution, not the problem! :) 12:11 marcelr yes cookie consent waited too long already 12:11 cait it's actually part of an initiative of mine to get old and bigger stuff moving... 12:11 cait it was very old? 12:10 marcelr yes, you qaed that patch lol 12:09 cait do I want to read back? 12:08 marcelr welcome in the koha frustration channel :) 12:08 marcelr the patches that you dont need make the best chance 12:07 ashimema Koha's BIG 12:07 marcelr only very small stuff touching two lines gets in 12:07 marcelr it is a nightmare to get things in 12:07 ashimema I totally get your needs.. and think they're solid 12:06 ashimema and code gets passed from one dev to the next.. it all gets rather confusing 12:06 marcelr even in 20.11 btw with some code swing in between 12:06 ashimema and as such it just annoys everyone when they do start to move.. often the original idea's behind them have been lost in the abys 12:06 marcelr i have been running with a newsletter consent in production on 21.11 12:05 ashimema these bugs are a bit annoying.. they've taken waaaay too long to get the attention they deserved 12:05 marcelr and then i want to still add more stuff, aarg 12:05 ashimema my brain just didn't put the two bugs into the same group in my head before today 12:05 marcelr the opac user form is kind of weird now when you also enable gdpr 12:05 ashimema your comment makes a lot of sense 12:05 ashimema yeah 12:05 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27378 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Pushed to master , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent 12:04 marcelr ashimema: added a comment on bug 27378 12:04 ashimema for the different consent stuff 12:03 ashimema i didn't put two and two together 12:01 ashimema reading back now 12:01 ashimema sorry, was at lunch 12:01 oleonard let's turn marcelr's frustration in to fun-stration 12:00 marcelr enhancement but with potential for backporting 11:59 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33745 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Pushed to master , Speed up Koha::Object attribute accessors 11:59 marcelr hmm bug 33745 was never backported ? 11:41 marcelr heh 11:40 tcohen[m] let's un-frustrate marcelr 11:40 marcelr so it becomes a frustrating experience 11:40 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27378 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Pushed to master , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent 11:40 tcohen[m] Matthew Blenkinsop: that'd be bug 27378's last comment 11:40 marcelr which was arguable of course, we use AV for lots of things 11:40 marcelr 31503 "failed" last year on using AV 11:40 tcohen[m] Matthew Blenkinsop: can you look at marcelr's comment please 11:39 marcelr i cant build on a weird form which it is now 11:39 marcelr tcohen[m]: the development of 27378 bites 31503 and needs attention before i can get 31503 further 11:37 tcohen[m] no QA? 11:37 tcohen[m] what do you mean stuck? 11:35 marcelr ashimema: hope you guys can help me out with conflict of 27378/31503; 31503 is now stuck again 11:35 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_Meeting_13_September_2023 11:34 marcelr o/ 11:33 tcohen[m] hola #koha o 11:33 tcohen[m] next meeting? 11:33 tcohen[m] next meetings? 11:13 * cait waves 10:23 oleonard Hi #koha 09:49 cait1 hello #koha 06:30 magnuse g'day mate! 06:26 dcook hola magnuse 06:24 * magnuse waves 06:22 dcook Wouldn't be surprised if that's why 06:22 dcook So high volume of emails come out of our mail server.. 06:22 dcook I think our email reputation isn't always the best, as we run a number of listservs from our domain as well 06:21 dcook Please do :D 06:21 dcook Maybe I've marked mine as not spam and that's why I don't see it.. 06:21 ashimema Next time I spot it I'll get a screenshot 06:21 ashimema I'll keep an eye on it.. it's strange. They don't get fully filtered out, just highlighted with a message at the top saying 'this might be spam' 06:20 dcook In fact, just did a test and my email wasn't marked as spam but the extra whitespace/newlines happened.. 06:20 dcook I've noticed some people get my emails and extra whitespace gets added so I wonder if that's related.. 06:19 dcook I haven't seen listserv emails from me in gmail though.. 06:19 dcook ashimema: Nope. No one has said that to me and I've seen my work emails in Gmail and they haven't been marked as spam? I might do a little test now.. 06:18 ashimema It's odd though, I've noticed it particularly with your mails.. Gmail constantly marks them a spam even though I've clicked the option to mark as not spam 06:17 ashimema Maybe it's the lists serve actually 06:16 ashimema Has anyone told you your emails are often marked as spam from Gmail dcook? 05:37 dcook And thanks ^_^ 05:37 dcook ashimema: I thought it was a bit early for you still! 05:36 ashimema I mean to take a look today 05:36 ashimema Thanks for working on the security buhs 05:36 ashimema How are you dcook_ 05:36 * ashimema is checking email from bed.. before first coffee 05:35 ashimema Morning koha 05:35 dcook__ Already that time of day, eh? 05:35 huginn ashimema: Highest karma: "Joubu" (1224), "cait" (1034), and "ashimema" (855). Lowest karma: "-" (-85), "failed" (-53), and "ie" (-41). You (ashimema) are ranked 3 out of 1284. 05:35 ashimema @karma 05:35 ashimema davidnind++ 05:34 ashimema davidnind++ 05:29 reiveune hello