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03:53 fridolin yellow
03:54 * dcook waves to fridolin
03:54 * fridolin waves back ;)
08:18 MatthewBlenkinsop[m] o/
08:18 cait good morning all
10:55 ashimema cait
10:56 ashimema thanks for the catch on bug 34618.. I totally forgot those fields could be tied to an AV.. I've added a follow-up bug to handle it if you fancied a quick QA of it
10:56 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Add sort 1 and 2 fields to basket in acquisitions
10:56 ashimema bug 34752
10:56 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34752 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Use AV descriptions in display for sort1/sort2 in basket display
11:06 cait ashimema: i could do that... can you then QA mine tht is now dependent on it?
11:06 cait probably needs another rebase too then
11:07 cait that's how I saw the issue - when i rebased mine on top
11:08 ashimema certainly
11:08 ashimema just been working through the QA email
11:09 ashimema will finish the one I'm on then swing onto yours π
11:09 cait I am sorry it's a fail
11:09 ashimema these perltidy rules
11:09 cait because... we don't use the fields you use :(
11:09 cait sort1_authcat is always null
11:09 cait same for 2
11:09 ashimema I must admit I'm struggling with them a bit for patch reviews
11:09 cait it's like a long standing bug
11:09 cait you need to pull the AV category via the fund
11:10 cait which is silly because it could be changed... but...
11:10 ashimema say again
11:10 ashimema I am pulled av category via the fund
11:10 ashimema it's part of the patch
11:10 cait ... sorry, misread
11:10 cait aqorders has 2 columsn with the same name
11:10 ashimema it's in basket.pl
11:10 cait only.. we don't use them
11:10 ashimema ho, really
11:10 cait so that shoud work :)
11:10 cait yep
11:11 ashimema I didn't spot that at all
11:11 ashimema yowsers
11:11 cait well you instictively did the right thing ;)
11:11 ashimema thanks
11:11 cait hm inmpromptu meeting, will try to come back to that
11:11 ashimema interesting.. what on earth are those empty fields for then?
11:11 ashimema hehe
11:12 ashimema okies
11:12 cait i think they've always been empty
11:12 cait we shoudl use them
11:23 tcohen[m] hola #koha o/
11:40 Belal hi everybody
12:07 cait hi Bela
12:50 tcohen[m] ashimema: I added a follow-up for the 'ktd on arm' pull request
12:51 ashimema nice one.. will take a look momentarily
12:52 tcohen[m] I just made ENV override what's read from $KTD_HOME/.env
12:52 tcohen[m] it is working nicely for me
12:52 ashimema π
12:55 ashimema just tried, all working here
12:55 ashimema I've approved and am happy to hit that merge button if you agree π
12:57 ashimema ooh..
12:57 ashimema I missed the whole docker-compose-light comment from Joubu
12:57 ashimema anywho.. I reckon both are safe to merge now
12:59 ashimema did you look at https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-testing-docker/-/merge_requests/469 tcohen?
13:09 tcohen[m] please do
13:09 tcohen[m] Jonathan's comment was adressed already
13:14 ashimema yup, i spotted
13:14 ashimema mreged
13:16 tcohen[m] \o/
13:17 caroline_catlady English speakers, there is a question on the french mailing list about guarantor/guarantee, they are asking if it's clear for english speakers that the guarantee is the guarantee of the guarantor the dictionary says guarantor and guarantee are synonyms (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/guarantee).
13:18 cait i know we always get mistakes there in the translation
13:18 caroline_catlady I think it's clear because of the -ee suffix, but I'm having trouble putting it into words to explain
13:18 cait because it's confusing
13:19 ashimema erm..
13:19 ashimema I've never found it confusing
13:19 ashimema to me they're not synonyms at all
13:19 caroline_catlady They seem to be confused as well. I don't think it's confusing... but I've probably internalized it or something
13:20 ashimema I can't think of better terms..
13:21 caroline_catlady to me the -ee suffix is the person being impacted (?)
13:21 ashimema happy for them to be change so long as they're as clear as they are now.. haha
13:21 ashimema indeed
13:21 caroline_catlady I can't think of other examples, but it's a common way to form neologism
13:22 ashimema erm
13:22 caroline_catlady the only word I can think of right now is attendee, but it's not really a good example
13:23 ashimema 'dependants' perhas
13:23 ashimema but it's not entirely the same
13:23 ashimema guarantor and dependants
13:23 caroline_catlady I translated it as dependant in french (fr-CA) "personne Γ charge"
13:24 ashimema in UK law, we pretty much always call it Guarantor and Guarantee
13:24 caroline_catlady I'm not looking for another word for guarantee, I'm looking for another example of -ee being used in the same way to explain how we came to guarantor/guarantee
13:25 ashimema that's for money stuff though.. like when parents will guarantor their children allowing them to get a mortgage
13:25 ashimema er..
13:25 ashimema we ddn't
13:25 ashimema we didn't make up the word.. it's pretty standard
13:25 caroline_catlady there is no reason to change it in Koha in my opinion, since they are not used interchangeably. Guarantor is always guarantor and guarantee is always guarantee
13:26 ashimema okeis
13:27 caroline_catlady Ok, I'll skip my -ee explanation and just say that it is used that way in legal texts and it's clear to english speakers
13:27 ashimema okies
13:27 caroline_catlady unless aude_c[m] do you have a better explanation? I see the email wsa sent to you and cc'd to the mailing list (not sure why, but *shrungs*)
13:28 ashimema employer and employee
13:28 ashimema that's another example I suppose
13:28 cait caroline_catlady: i think the relator terms list has examples
13:28 ashimema payee (the person you are paying)
13:28 cait I remember struggling there too with translating :)
13:29 cait https://www.loc.gov/marc/relators/relaterm.html
13:29 caroline_catlady good idea cait, the 4th one addressee
13:29 caroline_catlady appellee
13:29 ashimema π
13:29 cait Asssignee
13:30 cait appellant and appellee
13:30 cait i so hope i got these all right
13:30 caroline_catlady Is there no official marc21 translation in german?
13:30 ashimema oooh.. what's that mean
13:30 ashimema never heard those words
13:30 ashimema asks the native english person of the native german regarding an english word
13:31 caroline_catlady Appellant [apl]
13:31 caroline_catlady A person or organization who appeals a lower court's decision.
13:31 caroline_catlady Appellee [ape]
13:31 caroline_catlady A person or organization against whom an appeal is taken.
13:31 cait caroline_catlady: not an up to date one I know
13:31 cait and I think the rleator terms were not included (or I missed them?) - I might need to do some more reasearch
13:32 ashimema nice
13:32 ashimema thanks
13:32 caroline_catlady sorry, I just added a bunch recently :(
13:32 MichaelaSieberBIB[m] caroline_catlady: hm, not really official
13:32 ashimema I thought my vocabulary was pretty extensive.. always nice to learn a new word
13:32 cait Contestant and Contestee
13:32 cait there is pelnty in that list
13:33 magnuse the english words are clearer to me than any norwegian translations i can think of...
13:34 ashimema hehe
13:34 ashimema oooh, oooh
13:34 ashimema margnuse
13:34 ashimema did you see my sip sorter bug?
13:34 cait hehe quick hide! (joking)
13:34 * magnuse hides
13:34 magnuse ashimema: no, a new one?
13:35 ashimema bug 34737
13:35 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34737 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Enhance SIP2SortBinMapping to support additional match conditions
13:35 ashimema an enhancement atop
13:37 magnuse ah, cool
13:39 ashimema I thought I'd caught all our weird and wonderful sorter configs with your patch.. but we had an upgrade challenge last week and I had to code this up in quick time π
13:39 magnuse @quote get 123
13:39 huginn magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
13:41 magnuse would it make sense to use two different delimiters? like CPL;itype:eq:BK;ccode:eq:TEEN;3 or something?
13:41 magnuse nah, probably just me overthinking it
13:41 ashimema so.. I agree
13:41 ashimema but..
13:42 ashimema I wanted to make it 100% backward compatible so people didn't need to update their existing configs
13:42 ashimema that's why I went this route
13:42 magnuse ah, makes sense
13:42 ashimema I'm still testing it on a live system at the minute.. I was pretty darn confident until they said things weren't working in live.. I'm hoping it's something obvious
13:43 ashimema the other thing I wasn't 100% happy about.. we just skip 'crap' lines.. we don't report that anywhere.. I wondered if we aught to
13:43 ashimema but I wasn't sure how or where to handle that
13:43 ashimema so skipping was the easiest approach
13:45 magnuse i vote for something subtle, like removing all occurences of the letter "a" in biblio.title, or disabling email for the instance
13:45 * magnuse needs dinner
13:45 ashimema LOL
13:45 caroline_catlady lol
13:53 tcohen[m] ashimema++
14:03 cait got to run, cya later #koha :)
15:06 reiveune bye
16:56 Kolvir I'm getting this error in the worker-output log. It is repeating so often that the log has filled my HD at over 400 GB. Cannot connect to the message broker, the jobs will be processed anyway (Failed to connect: Error connecting to localhost:61613: Connection refused at /usr/share/perl5/Net/Stomp.pm line 27.; giving upat /usr/share/perl5/Net/Stomp.pm line 27. ) at /usr/share/koha/bin/workers/background_jobs_worker.pl line 90.
16:56 Kolvir any clues to fix it?
16:58 Kolvir actually, this message may be more prevalent main::catch {...} /usr/share/koha/bin/workers/background_jobs_worker.pl (120) [2023/09/10 11:42:21] [WARN] Frame not processed - garbage after JSON object, at character offset 6 (before "must include a valid...") at /usr/share/koha/bin/workers/background_jobs_worker.pl line 118
16:59 Kolvir it is the second error that is filling it, the first was just repeated at the ed when I 'tail' the log
17:46 cait ashimema++ khall++ # help with bug clean-up
18:00 cait tcohen++ # he knows why
18:24 tuxayo tcohen++ thanks for the merge :)
18:24 tuxayo hi all ^^
18:26 tuxayo Too bad the gitlab online editor doesn't actually take the version of the file one clicked "edit" on (on the upstream repo). It goes take the old version from one's fork if it exists.
18:27 tuxayo Makes it's less quick to make string edits and less useful for non tech savvy users.
18:44 ashimema Yeah, it's a pain point of gitlab
19:09 tuxayo A lot of the time, it will just fail to commit (or create a MR i'm not sure) due to that desync. Without giving a hint about the issue ^^"
19:56 tcohen[m] We need to file feature requests for Gitlab
19:57 tcohen[m] so we can 'Fail QA' things
19:57 tcohen[m] right now the only way to tell the author that things are not ok is a comment
19:57 tcohen[m] or just silence
19:57 tcohen[m] there's no way to have a dashboard with things to re-do
21:32 tuxayo bugzilla is really nice for this
21:32 tuxayo > file feature requests for Gitlab
21:32 tuxayo And forΔejo
21:35 tuxayo This one seem to get decent functional acceptance: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/446
21:35 tuxayo "see the dependency graph of an issue"
21:37 tuxayo <tcohen[m]> "right now the only way to tell..." <- If the labels could be edited by anyone that could work.
23:40 kushineta hello there
23:41 kushineta Do we have any partnering program with Koha
23:44 kushineta we have public project and we are interested to engage Koha , but we are newbe on this sector and we need help and support on this matter
23:44 kushineta it seems all are sleeping
23:44 kushineta good night from my side