Time Nick Message 23:45 tcohen[m] Buen fin de semana, Guest1481 22:26 Guest1481 hola a todos, soy Laura de Argentina y estoy preparando un trabajo sobre Koha 16:06 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34694 critical, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC bib record blows up with error 500 16:05 PedroAmorim[m] filed bug 34694 I think this is a critical bug if some more people can also take a quick look at 15:48 jalway KodoKorkalo[m]: My pleasure! 15:46 KodoKorkalo[m] and oleonard too 15:46 KodoKorkalo[m] thanks for your help and time jalway ๐ 15:45 KodoKorkalo[m] yep, it must be one of our own patches, i'll talk to my collagues on monday about this 15:45 jalway That sounds like a place to start. I'm not seeing any bugs relating to bulkmarcimport in koha's bugzilla. Doesn't mean there isn't, but as you say it works in your dev environment. 15:43 KodoKorkalo[m] the version on my dev-machine is pretty much clean community-koha without the "local" patches 15:42 KodoKorkalo[m] hmm... i think it might be one of out own patches that breaks it 15:41 KodoKorkalo[m] jalway nope, MARC21 15:41 jalway Are you using Unimarc? 15:40 KodoKorkalo[m] jalway yep, they seem to be 15:38 jalway Are your dev machine and production machines on the same version? 15:37 KodoKorkalo[m] jalway in addition we have a monsterous script that does all kinds of things to MARC data prior to import (including different checks and validation), but that doesn't seem to be the problem either and it works on my dev machine afterall ๐ 15:36 KodoKorkalo[m] jalway nope, but I have validated the XML with libxml 15:34 jalway KodoKorkalo[m]: Have you run it through the MARC Validator in MARCEdit? 15:30 KodoKorkalo[m] ja=and ๐ 15:30 KodoKorkalo[m] same koha ja same data, different result 15:29 KodoKorkalo[m] strange, it works on my dev-koha ๐ 15:28 KodoKorkalo[m] nope, the file is utf-8 15:28 oleonard KodoKorkalo[m]: MARC8 vs. UTF-8 for instance 15:28 oleonard KodoKorkalo[m]: I don't use bulkmarcimport but when I get that problem with a file I've imported via the GUI it usually means the encoding I picked didn't match the encoding of the file 15:01 KodoKorkalo[m] it seems that the characters on the first record are correct, but starting from the second they get all messed up 15:00 KodoKorkalo[m] the nice thing is that we're on our production conversion here ๐ 14:59 KodoKorkalo[m] s/my// 14:59 KodoKorkalo[m] it used to work fine on the previous version of Koha but in 22.11 my i get mess with characters like รฅ, รค, รถ 14:58 KodoKorkalo[m] help! bulkmarcimport messes up my character encodings! 14:50 aude_c[m] caroline++ for her help with Documentation management tasks 13:33 Joubu yes, caroline, that's why you opened 32890 ;) 13:18 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32883 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Curbside pickups - Order "To be staged" by date and time of scheduled pickup 13:18 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Add DataTables to curbside pickups 13:18 caroline re bug 32890, it seems I had already asked that it be a datatable with a default order in bug 32883... at least I'm consistent ;) 13:07 * tcohen[m] uploaded an image: (199KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/wzhQtfYcJqYJQPiJLhXZzFgZ/image.png > 13:06 * tcohen[m] uploaded an image: (793KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/fefljuMrjDNNqoCZkeuhKfkk/image.png > 13:06 * tcohen[m] uploaded an image: (1164KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/AmDAlplusTRLfCARrRZixrXH/image.png > 13:05 tcohen[m] PQA push fest starting once I take a screenshot 13:05 oleonard In fact during one of the KohaCon sessions someone pointed out a bug that was bothering them and I thought, "I'll bet we can fix that" Turns out I'd already submitted a patch! 13:04 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34135 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Show the icons for selected tab to the left of the search bar in the staff interface 13:04 oleonard I'd completely forgotten I'd written a patch for Bug 34135 until Joubu QA'd it 13:02 caroline I can't even remember what I did yesterday... 13:02 caroline I know everything!! lol 13:01 oleonard Okay XD 13:00 Joubu caroline is the one who knows! :D 13:00 Joubu oleonard: I don't know, it's Friday afternoon :D I remember that this was a nightmare to make it ordered correctly. 12:59 tcohen[m] oleonard: have you done a ktd --es7 pull recently 12:57 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Add DataTables to curbside pickups 12:57 oleonard Joubu: Regarding Bug 32890, is it only the "delivered today" tab that is incorrect? 12:49 tcohen[m] keep it forever! 12:49 * oleonard will wait as long as possible to replace his 27" iMac now that they're not making them anymore :( 12:48 tcohen[m] let me take a look at my intel one 12:48 tcohen[m] haha 12:48 tcohen[m] buy an M2 12:47 oleonard I don't think I've ever gotten ES to work on my Mac 12:47 tcohen[m] I have an intel mac and hove no issues 12:47 tcohen[m] without it, it works, right? 12:35 oleonard tcohen: Your issue_396 ktd branch didn't make Elasticsearch magically work on my Intel Mac ;) 11:47 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , The DB upgrade process is not tested 11:47 Joubu tcohen[m]: seen bug 34683? 11:47 Joubu oleonard: thank you for the nice patches! 11:38 oleonard Thanks for the QA work! 11:38 oleonard Joubu++ 11:37 tcohen[m] an admin endpoint for doing it from a third party service? 11:37 cait and Joubu++ 11:37 cait have a great weekend all! 11:31 cait because both are moderated, verification email etc.... need their own thing 11:26 cait i think then I am onyl missing self registration and address change requests 11:26 Joubu By default, current checkouts are returned, when this is true then checked in checkouts are returned as result. 11:26 Joubu boolean 11:26 Joubu checked_in 11:26 Joubu https://api.koha-community.org/Development.html#tag/checkouts/operation/listBiblioCheckouts 11:26 cait and then I an use x-query to limit to a patron_id - right? 11:26 cait thx :) 11:25 cait aha! 11:25 tcohen[m] Exactly 11:25 Joubu checkouts 11:25 cait hm to which route? 11:25 Joubu cait: there is a checked_in flag you can pass 11:22 cait as in... am I missing it or is it not there yet? 11:22 cait can someone tell if we have an API route for old checkouts? 11:14 tcohen[m] hola #koha o/ 11:13 PedroAmorim[m] \o 10:35 oleonard Hi #koha 09:54 marcelr see you later #koha 09:53 marcelr not talking about getting a so 09:53 marcelr i have only enh in the so queue and they dont seem to move much nowadays 09:52 marcelr cheating :) 09:52 Joubu only picking the easy ones to lower the number.. 09:51 marcelr Joubu++ 09:50 cait stuck on wriing some specification here .( 09:50 cait marcelr++ 09:49 marcelr that is 30 lower than this morning btw 09:49 marcelr but we have 160 to go 09:48 marcelr not found.. 09:34 PedroAmorim[m] Easy bugs to test that need QA:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/lVqruVWOlbrwnsMZUfTGLDoA>) 08:53 cait Joubu++ 08:41 Joubu The breadcrumbs is contained into the element with id="sub-header" 08:41 Joubu that will help you find the class/id you want 08:40 Joubu thomas63[m]: in your browser you can open the developper tools and inspect the structure of the page 08:40 huginn paulderscheid[m]: The operation succeeded. 08:40 paulderscheid[m] @later tell tcohen I'd like to test your ktd testing branch just by working, should I expect anything catastrophic? :D 08:34 thomas63[m] Joubu: one more keyword pleaseโฆ for the breadcrumbs menu 08:33 marcelr hi cait 08:28 * cait waves some more 08:28 marcelr hi PedroAmorim[m] 08:25 thomas63[m] Joubu: thanks a lot, works! 08:25 aroussos PedroAmorim[m]++ 08:25 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31964 normal, P5 - low, ---, a.roussos, Signed Off , Missing manpage for koha-z3950-responder 08:25 aroussos PedroAmorim[m]: Thank you for the speedy SO on Bug 31964 08:24 aroussos Good morning PedroAmorim[m] 08:17 PedroAmorim[m] morning o/ 08:10 Joubu (if you are running a recent version of Koha) 08:10 Joubu thomas63[m]: the selectors you want are .navbar and #header_search 08:09 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , The DB upgrade process is not tested 08:09 Joubu bug 34683 08:04 thomas63[m] hi there... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/zPtIFHtmdHjhHSHDgOebIeJu>) 07:17 magnuse ciao dcook 07:08 * cait waves 07:03 dcook and ciao ciao 07:03 dcook hola hola 06:54 marcelr o/ 06:54 magnuse \o/ 06:25 marcelr hi #koha 02:19 tuxayo see you another day all :) 01:54 tuxayo dcook: thanks for the update on the world of containers ^^ And the QA advice. I'll make a follow-up for setting the default in the constructor. The rest of the changes seems to be using intermediate variables for calculations in various steps instead of a long one. + reuse of a value. So good stuff. 01:44 tuxayo tcohen good night, thanks for passing by :) 01:42 dcook night! 01:42 tcohen[m] Good night! 01:41 * dcook is always down to talk about containers 01:41 tcohen[m] Hi both. Interested in reading the containers talk tomorrow morning 01:41 dcook Jeez maybe I should go back to bed... 01:41 dcook "Why are you not sleeping"* 01:41 dcook aren't* 01:40 dcook Why are you're you sleeping, tcohen[m]? 01:40 * dcook thumbs up 01:40 tcohen[m] I should be sleeping so lacking some context. But yeah. Default where it makes sense, explode where it makes sense, so devs have tools to understand what they need to do 01:40 tuxayo s/a/and/ 01:39 tuxayo "for bad ones" what do you mean? 01:39 tcohen[m] We need to short circuit early if possible. On such deeply nested code as Koha's, tracking down where things come from is challenging. 01:39 tuxayo So in this case I should do a follow-up a continue the review. 01:39 tuxayo > Constructor 01:39 tuxayo tcohen: hola :) 01:38 tuxayo *as 01:38 tuxayo Good, same a other langs :) 01:38 tuxayo > In theory, defaults in the constructor 01:31 tcohen[m] Constructor. And check+exceptions for bad ones 01:30 dcook In theory, defaults in the constructor, but then Perl lets you mess with things, so sometimes it feels safer doing it in the function where no one else could mess with it 01:29 dcook Yeah always a tough one eh 01:27 tuxayo I don't know enough about which Perl good practices we should try to care about beyond our mandatory guidelines. 01:27 tuxayo https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/commit/e26d7c783eb8c70d318e402e3a90930afcff44cd/C4/Patroncards/Patroncard.pm#L74 01:27 tuxayo vs part of the changes could be here: 01:27 tuxayo https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=154680&action=diff 01:27 tuxayo dcook: QA question, should we prefer to have default values in the constructor rather than in the function? When possible, like seemingly here: 01:25 tuxayo Right, it's more like scripts. I don't know why I had an idea closer to a declarative paradigm. Maybe because of the logic of destroying and building from scratch a clean thing that docker and ansible allow to do. 01:24 dcook Ansible and Docker aren't really trying to solve the same problems 01:23 tuxayo Wait, dockefile are more just like scripts than declarative stuff? 01:23 dcook https://gitlab.com/koha-community/docker/koha-docker/-/blob/master/Dockerfile?ref_type=heads 01:23 dcook Depends on what you're trying/needing to do 01:22 tuxayo Isn't declarative syntax better for a fair share of cases compared to scripts? 01:21 dcook If it is, it should probably have more things put into scripts 01:21 dcook Ideally your Dockerfile shouldn't be that big 01:21 tuxayo nice :D 01:21 dcook By architecting it to work in containers, I just made it easy to manage its config and dependencies 01:21 tuxayo Indeed there is a lot. Though I wonder how hard it's to empty an existing dockerfile and to migrate the stuff to ansible, salt or something else. 01:21 tuxayo > The work involved in making things work with Docker is generally useful work anyway 01:20 dcook But they can easily run on the same VM too 01:20 dcook And I've developed services for it that locally I'll run in separate containers 01:20 dcook So I have this system that I run in a VM in prod, but locally I run it on Docker 01:18 dcook Yeah the name is familiar but I can't remember why 01:17 tuxayo speaking of that, I found this: https://katacontainers.io/ 01:17 tuxayo > we got to keep our eyes and ears open 01:16 dcook The work involved in making things work with Docker is generally useful work anyway 01:16 dcook Yeah we got to keep our eyes and ears open 01:14 tuxayo And on a wider scale, Podman has to exist and Kubernetes to support it. There needed to be enough people using (and continuing to use) and making these alternatives so everyone has those lifeboats if needed. 01:14 tuxayo It's not the same effort if having many hours of provisioning work coded in docker instead of Ansible. That's a choice for every project. 01:14 tuxayo > if we need to jump ship then we do that when the time comes 01:10 tuxayo Oh :( 01:10 tuxayo > Looks like LXD doesn't though 01:09 tuxayo Oh and that also avoids the issue of prebuild images. I'm not sure most production deployments of apps rebuild their images. It's another version of downloading and running binaries from the internet. Only without touching the host OS. 01:09 tuxayo > and for the propositioning using Ansible would make the thing pretty safe 01:06 dcook But I think if we need to jump ship then we do that when the time comes. Rolling with the punches... getting with the times... etc 01:06 dcook Looks like LXD doesn't though 01:05 dcook So I think overall it'd be OK 01:05 dcook What we call Docker images are really OCI images, and they're widely supported 01:04 dcook Can't speak to LXD but Podman does 01:04 tuxayo (Assuming LXD and podman comply with OCI) 01:03 dcook Yeah lots of different tools for working with containers 01:03 tuxayo Ah great no need to even give up on Kubernetes 01:02 tuxayo Maybe just using it as a light VM and for the propositioning using Ansible would make the thing pretty safe since it could be swapped with even LXD 01:02 dcook I'd forgotten that Kubernetes stopped using Docker a while ago. It can use Docker images which are just OCI images I think.. 01:00 dcook I think it's one reason why I haven't pushed to use Docker in prod beyond times where it's been the only choice 00:59 dcook That's true. That is a worry that I have too 00:59 tuxayo Good to know about Podman, thanks. 00:59 tuxayo Given there didn't seems to be mass migration from mongoDB and elasticsearch when they effectively became non libre as a whole, that looks like a real risk. 00:59 tuxayo There are non-core things that can become very prevalent and an obstacle if needing to migrate. Hopefully nothing like that get will prevalent in the industry. 00:59 tuxayo > Most of the core things should be open as well 00:51 dcook I think Podman is actually supposed to be better than Docker. There have been times I've thought of trying it out 00:51 dcook Funny enough Red Hat's Podman is a drop-in replacement for Docker 00:50 dcook Most of the core things should be open as well 00:50 dcook There are already business opportunities for monetizing Docker and so far so good I think 00:49 tuxayo Hopefully there will never be a "business opportunity" to monetize docker and the sales at Azure will be enough as well as having devs not switching to Linux anymore due to having now most nice stuff on Windows. 00:48 tuxayo If they are subtile enough it will never be problematic enough to create the incentive of a fork to try to keep monopoly. And do things boiling frog style. 00:48 tuxayo Hopefully there will be a viable fork if Microsoft does something predatory. In the vein of embrace, extend, and extinguish. 00:48 tuxayo > It might be wise for Docker images to take over completely 00:34 dcook But if that base infrastructure choice were shared across the board then it would be easier for everyone to support and collaborate... 00:34 dcook I think the images would still be using Debian or Ubuntu and we'd still end up with custom Deb packages on custom images 00:33 dcook It might be wise for Docker images to take over completely, so that everyone is deploying it the same way 00:33 dcook But I do wonder... 00:33 dcook Well if their sysadmins are doing the work. If someone experienced with Koha is doing it, I think it'll be fine (once the Koha community builds up its skills too) 00:32 tuxayo That lessens the potential of containers helping for old OS installs. And convincing to use containers instead of switching the OS. Still a net gain I think. 00:28 dcook Managing containers comes with its own challenges I reckon. It's scarier to do updates since you're updating the whole thing instead of just a few files 00:27 dcook tuxayo: You have to be careful with your volumes if you don't want things to disappear when it comes time to update your container image 00:24 tuxayo Unless it's about using docker like a packaging format instead of just light VMs 00:24 tuxayo dcook doesn't it work well to spin a Debian or Ubuntu container and follow the install instructions? 00:24 tuxayo > Easier said than done at the moment, but I think Tomas and folk are working on it 00:22 tuxayo Ah I see, it's objectively simpler to use containers if your bare metal OS it already running other stuff. 00:22 tuxayo "if you're not running Debian/Ubuntu and want Koha, then I'd say the way to do it would be via Docker if you don't want to switch OSes" 00:20 tuxayo Even though it's still an OS to manage, update look for security issue. So I'm not sure if objectively there is much difference. 00:20 tuxayo Indeed, it feel it would be easier to get sysadmins to manage a container of a recent OS than upgrade the OS running on the bare metal. 00:20 tuxayo "Docker is available from RHEL 7+ anyway, so hopefully koha-docker will mature and then it's less of an issue after that" 00:17 tuxayo Still should be rare though. 00:17 tuxayo Aren't libraries or any public institutions have some chance of being Red Hat customers for stuff like Extended Life-cycle Support (ELS) ? 00:17 tuxayo ""supported" in a way that I think isn't accessible to most users anyway. " 00:16 dcook Easier said than done at the moment, but I think Tomas and folk are working on it 00:16 dcook These days, if you're not running Debian/Ubuntu and want Koha, then I'd say the way to do it would be via Docker if you don't want to switch OSes 00:15 dcook Docker is available from RHEL 7+ anyway, so hopefully koha-docker will mature and then it's less of an issue after that 00:14 dcook I think it comes with added fees so I don't know if people actually buy that extra support or just say it's supported because there's a future date published on the internet.. 00:13 dcook They're also "supported" in a way that I think isn't accessible to most users anyway. 00:13 tuxayo +1 , major OSes having still old releases supported doesn't mean programs still have to support that. Things are less strict.