Time  Nick                 Message
23:44 tuxayo               I wonder how other people do.
23:44 tuxayo               And then go the placed the patch touched to see what is the diff there.
23:43 tuxayo               When the qa script complains about of a change, I run `perltidy the_file.pl` and open a diff between the original and the new .pl.tdy file.
23:43 tuxayo               hi :) does anyone know how to simply see with perltidy what stuff should be changed?
22:22 davidnind            I've put some comments on 34648, will work on the others over the next few days (unless someone beats me to it!)
22:21 davidnind            caroline++
20:53 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34648 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, Needs Signoff , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update 31 (December 2020)
20:53 caroline             MARC updates are ready for signoff! bug 34648 and dependents
17:50 oleonard             I wondered because of the .ru email address on that recent UNIMARC framework bug reporter
17:49 caroline             wow! I thought it was France and a couple of other countries, but this is a lot more!
17:45 oleonard             This is old, but still... I'm surprised by the number of UNIMARC countries https://snipboard.io/O6iEwB.jpg
16:42 oleonard             Yeah I guess that's true
16:41 caroline             are there many that are interchangeable? Most are for a specific field no?
16:40 oleonard             I wonder if people would be interested in seeing a tooltip in the MARC editor showing which cataloging plugin is used for the field
16:24 caroline             yeah so it never got anywhere I think...
16:22 oleonard             Whoops :)
16:22 caroline             "This is a starting point for supporting classification records in Koha."
16:22 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, abl, CLOSED FIXED, Add 008 value builder plugin for MARC21 classifications
16:22 caroline             bug 17233
16:20 caroline             Maybe someone started something and it didn't go anywhere?
16:20 oleonard             So the existence of that plugin implies the existence of a classifications module and framework which we don't have
16:19 caroline             https://www.loc.gov/marc/classification/
16:18 caroline             There are different marc21 formats: bibliographic, authority, holdings and classification
16:18 oleonard             I don't even know what that means :D
16:17 caroline             I didn't know we supported the classifications format
16:17 caroline             ooh... no
16:17 oleonard             Do you know what the marc21_field_008_classifications plugin is for?
16:16 caroline             oleonard, yes
16:16 oleonard             caroline still around?
15:31 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34657 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Merge cataloging plugins for UNIMARC 123d, e, f, and g
15:31 oleonard             Bug 34657
15:09 PedroAmorim[m]       I'll look into to test and SO
15:09 Joubu                bug 34276 has a patch now
15:05 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34276 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , upgrading 23.05 to 23.05.002
15:05 Joubu                tcohen[m]: bug 34276 comment 24, cuidado! 'ADD CONSTRAINT fk_name FOREIGN KEY' vs 'ADD FOREIGN KEY fk_name' !!
14:48 caroline             no luck... I'll put it in Needs signoff, and maybe someone else can try
14:47 caroline             I'll try Ctrl+F5 maybe
14:47 oleonard             I would think that was all you needed, unless it's the browser cache
14:47 caroline             I'm new to ktd, so I know like... two commands total
14:47 caroline             i did restart_all, is there another one for cache?
14:46 oleonard             I wonder if it's a cache somewhere not getting updated
14:45 caroline             in my master installation, yes
14:44 oleonard             caroline: You see the change in the 008 plugin popup?
14:42 caroline             I see the change in my master installation, but not in KTD and am confused
14:41 caroline             Speaking of plugins... If I change something in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/data/marc21_field_008.xml do I need to change it elsewhere to see the change?
14:23 tcohen[m]            we need a 123 plugin, that can be linked on each subfield
14:23 jajm                 yes
14:21 oleonard             jajm: So we need one 123d/e/f/g plugin
14:19 jajm                 not sure if it's really a bug, as all 4 plugins are extremely similar (to not say identical), so they should work correctly, but we only need one plugin, not 4
14:14 tcohen[m]            firdolin?
14:14 tcohen[m]            sounds like a bug
14:14 oleonard             jajm: Who do you think would be good to CC in a bug report about UNIMARC plugins?
14:12 jajm                 oleonard: i'm here but i don't have any answers for that unfortunately :)
14:12 oleonard             Looks like it's been that way forever but it doesn't look right
14:12 * oleonard           is wondering why unimarc_field_123d.pl, unimarc_field_123e.pl, and unimarc_field_123f.pl all create a link to unimarc_field_123g.pl
14:10 oleonard             jajm around?
13:59 PedroAmorim[m]       nice
13:59 tcohen[m]            soltar
13:59 tcohen[m]            I reproduced with DB_IMAGE=mysql:8.0
13:59 PedroAmorim[m]       i have not tried that, no
13:59 Joubu                changing DBMS?
13:58 PedroAmorim[m]       Tomas did a fix between releases, I tried upgrading with and without that
13:58 PedroAmorim[m]       I have, I am and was aware of that change
13:58 Joubu                did you see what Fridolin posted?
13:57 PedroAmorim[m]       with and without data
13:57 PedroAmorim[m]       I'm very interested as to what is the cause of that, I've tried many upgrades from and to different versions
13:56 Joubu                better to write than to sign off!
13:56 Joubu                think as a computer
13:56 Joubu                yes you can, I have done that for years :D
13:55 Joubu                comment 18
13:55 PedroAmorim[m]       can't fix something I can't reproduce
13:55 Joubu                just provide the fix :D
13:55 Joubu                you don't need to
13:55 PedroAmorim[m]       I've spent over a day trying to reproduce that, I can't
13:55 PedroAmorim[m]       hey
13:54 Joubu                looks like a critical problem, impacting stable for weeks
13:54 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34276 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , upgrading 23.05 to 23.05.002
13:54 Joubu                PedroAmorim[m]: still not interesting in fixing bug 34276?
13:48 EvaldoSantos[m]      <caroline> "Evaldo Santos, as far as I know,..." <- The library i am working on it at moment is small, not more than 8 persons, but within the group there are teams with different tasks. For now i can just create some Patron Template according to the needs, but it would be fine in a near future to be able to create a permission profile (that you can import/export).
13:47 oleonard             👍🏻
13:46 PedroAmorim[m]       oleonard: I did, but I did not have master up to date, that bug was pushed yesterday. Can confirm it's fixed. Thanks!
13:46 jalway               Permission profiles would be nice indeed.
13:45 oleonard             ...despite lots of talk about people wanting it :(
13:45 oleonard             EvaldoSantos[m]: Permission profiles is a great idea but no one has sponsored it
13:44 oleonard             PedroAmorim[m]: Have you run yarn build to get the latest CSS?
13:43 EvaldoSantos[m]      <huginn> "Bug https://bugs.koha-community..." <- I was reading the discussion, and i think comment #8 is the solution: permission profiles
13:43 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34341 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to stable , Revert Bug 34072: Holds queue search interface hidden on small screens
13:43 oleonard             I thought this was fixed by Bug 34341
13:43 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=34654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Submit button doesn't look right in staff forms
13:43 oleonard             I just saw Bug 34654
13:43 PedroAmorim[m]       aye
13:43 oleonard             PedroAmorim[m] around?
13:41 jalway               EvaldoSantos[m]: Our circulation supervisor tried using the plugin some, but just resorted to manually setting permissions. They then forgot about it and were confused with some permission issues later. My suggestion is use it/don't use it. Just make sure you don't leave stumbling blocks for yourself later.
13:41 emlam                if you're interested in looking into it, Koha-US has a pair of videos that are very thorough in explaining the ins and outs of it
13:40 emlam                EvaldoSantos[m] - we use the patron batch permissions modifier plugin that caroline posted, and it has worked really nicely for us
13:36 huginn               04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Copy permissions from one user to another
13:36 oleonard             Bug 30623
13:36 oleonard             And hopefully the QA team is discussing 30623
13:36 EvaldoSantos[m]      oleonard: It is a pitty. I think I will have sticky with the "Duplicate" option.
13:35 caroline             I have never tried it, but you can look at https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-batch-permissions-modifier
13:34 caroline             EvaldoSantos[m], as far as I know, the permissions are per patron only. I think I saw a plugin to copy permissions somewhere...
13:34 oleonard             EvaldoSantos[m]: Permissions are set on patrons. They can't be applied by patron category.
13:33 EvaldoSantos[m]      Can someone help me understand a doubt about the permissions of Patron: It is not possible to create a Patron Category and define permissions to that category instead so that any new patron created within that category inherits the permission, instead of applying permission directly to a single patron.  I think that only way is to create a Patron (template with permission) and then Duplicate.
12:57 tcohen[m]            congrats
12:57 EvaldoSantos[m]      Thanks for the help, mostly for the quick reply.
12:56 EvaldoSantos[m]      */1 * * * * root koha-foreach --chdir --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl
12:56 EvaldoSantos[m]      sudo nano /etc/cron.d/koha-common
12:56 EvaldoSantos[m]      <tcohen[m]> "you should go check the script..." <- Well, it is solved, just adjusted the script to run every (1) minute and the mails are flowing
12:33 EvaldoSantos[m]      <tcohen[m]> "and you could try to run it..." <- Let me try it, i will let you know in a few moments.
12:29 tcohen[m]            happy to continue the chat once you checked those things I mentioned
12:29 tcohen[m]            so you have homework
12:28 EvaldoSantos[m]      tcohen[m]: This has been done.
12:28 tcohen[m]            I didnt' mention it first, because you said some messages went out and others didn't
12:28 tcohen[m]            koha-enable-email <instance>
12:28 tcohen[m]            it means only instances with email enabled will be picked
12:28 tcohen[m]            koha-foreach --email
12:28 tcohen[m]            the cronjob most likely runs by using
12:27 tcohen[m]            and you could try to run it manually within a koha-shell
12:27 tcohen[m]            you should go check the script is configured to be run with the desired frecquency
12:26 tcohen[m]            are picked by the process_message_queue.pl cronjob
12:26 tcohen[m]            messages in the message queue
12:26 EvaldoSantos[m]      tcohen[m]: Exactly
12:26 EvaldoSantos[m]      tcohen[m]: Yes I do,  the configuration matches in both SMTP Server in SMTP Server and koha-conf.xml
12:26 tcohen[m]            you mean it is displayed as 'pending' in the Koha UI
12:25 tcohen[m]            when you say 'pending'
12:25 tcohen[m]            right
12:25 EvaldoSantos[m]      I have sent a welcome e-mail to a user 10 minutes ago and it still pending. 2 hours ago it was working well.
12:24 tcohen[m]            do you see no activity in the SMTP server?
12:24 tcohen[m]            Koha emails are sent through the configured SMTP
12:23 EvaldoSantos[m]      oleonard: Yes I do. Because it is our company e-mail service and we dont have any user complaining.
12:21 oleonard             :D
12:21 Joubu                yes, the S stands for that: Sometimes Mail Transfer Protocol
12:21 oleonard             EvaldoSantos[m]: That sounds like it might not be a Koha-specific question. Do you have reason to believe it is Koha?
12:14 EvaldoSantos[m]      I am facing a very weird behaviour with SMTP: sometimes it sends e-mail and sometimes not.
12:13 EvaldoSantos[m]      Hi there
11:25 tcohen[m]            haha
11:23 Joubu                trying to be funny, sorry :D
11:20 tcohen[m]            is it a rethorical question?
11:20 Joubu                What's the point of tests if they are always failing? Shouldn't we simply remove them?
11:19 tcohen[m]            has anyone looked at the failing tests?
10:53 cait                 hi tcohen hi oleonard
10:38 oleonard             o/
10:08 tcohen[m]            Hola #koha o/
10:01 cait                 https://paste.koha-community.org/25460
10:00 cait                 hm I think i foudn a way... but it's a little ugly
09:58 cait                 but I am failing currently... witht he debit_id credit_id links
09:57 cait                 I am trying to join accountlines and account_offsets because I need the offsets with the borrowernumber
09:45 cait                 davewood: makes sense, but doesn't make your life easier I guess :(
09:38 davewood             Joubu: didnt think of browser detection, good point
09:38 davewood             cait: browser shortcuts are apparently not always overridable
09:23 Joubu                might happen less often with qwerty layout however
09:23 Joubu                if you mistype ctrl+w too often and hit ctrl+q instead - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1279145
09:05 mtj                  https://learn.jquery.com/code-organization/feature-browser-detection/
09:03 mtj                  davewood: https://github.com/jaywcjlove/hotkeys-js ... looks quite nice
09:01 cait                 but beware: it will still look like the ycan edit, but it won't save any changes
09:01 cait                 administration > overlay rules
09:00 cait                 you can use overlay rules
09:00 cait                 the problem I think with not using access keys is that you will probably always overwrite soem browser feature shortcut
08:53 Zahid[m]             morning, is there any system preference value to restrict the staff/user in editing/adding books in cataloguing/addbiblio.pl page for disabling the tags a,b,c etc and the boxes/indicators example 100 indicator [1][2] a c d etc;.  i want disable/readonly that indicator and abcd so the user cannot type and change the indicator and (a) (b) (c) etc
08:47 mtj                  Joubu: hmm yeah, good point
08:47 Joubu                if you are hacking in IntranetUserJS you can still adjust the shortcut depending on the client
08:46 davewood             im sure that particular close-to-government-institution will have no issue with my request.
08:46 PedroAmorim[m]       morning o/
08:46 davewood             mtj: I will also tell them to use linux exclusively, i'll report back if it was a success.
08:45 mtj                  davewood: tell your customer to use just firefox
08:45 davewood             and i cant seem to prevent the event from bubbling up
08:45 Zahid[m]             hi every one, suggestion required in cataloguing module
08:44 davewood             Joubu: meta does weird stuff with me window layout.
08:44 Joubu                mtj: so, source should be somewhere?
08:40 cait                 mtj: I came to a similar conclusion
08:40 * Joubu              forgot not everybody is on linux already
08:40 cait                 I looked into it a while ago
08:39 cait                 davewood: it's annyoing,b ut access keys are different in all browsers
08:39 Joubu                well forget that, not on windows :D
08:39 mtj                  Joubu: i think 'G5' is their rebranded koha... poss. G4 is a closed-source ILS that they are abandoning?
08:39 Joubu                davewood: super?
08:39 davewood             mabe if i require the user to press ALL the buttons at once
08:38 davewood             alt+num switches tabs on FF, ctrl+num switches tab on edge, ctrl+alt+num doesnt work on FF, ...
08:38 MatthewBlenkinsop[m] o/
08:37 mtj                  hi cait, i think download.kc.org is running on the bugzilla server, so chris
08:37 davewood             im looking for a custom shortcut combination that works on all major browser. a customer wants to switch the navigationtabs on cataloguing/addbiblio.pl using  0-9, left arrow, right arrow ... this is easily done adding custom js code to IntranetUserJS ... but no matter which meta keys i pick there is always one browser that does some other thing.
08:36 mtj                  hey folks
07:30 Joubu                RudyHinojosa[m]: This sentence on their website is really confusing..
07:30 Joubu                RudyHinojosa[m]: "Because LRMS has always led the way in Library Automation, we are happy to announce our Collaborative working support of this Open Source G5 Lightwave Library/Koha ILS. Designed by the Koha world-wide collective this software is free to Libraries[...]"
07:30 Joubu                RudyHinojosa[m]: Hi! Some days ago you posted a video to lightwavelibrary where I saw references to lrms. When I google it I found a website about G4/G5. Do you know what is this about?
07:22 cait                 many loose ends? yes...
07:19 Joubu                there are several beginnings
07:17 cait                 and good morning #koha
07:17 cait                 welcome back Joubu
07:17 cait                 at the beginning? :)
07:12 Joubu                ok, so, where do I start?...
06:32 * dcook              waves too
06:32 magnuse              hiya Joubu
06:32 magnuse              caroline++
06:20 Joubu                hi #koha