Time Nick Message 22:50 bag ha 22:50 huginn bag: Error: You don't have the #koha,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 22:50 bag @op eythian jajm matts magnuse mtj davidnind 22:48 bag go for it - every open source project can always use more content and training information 22:41 Mimir909 Honestly I am strongly considering taking what I learn here and turning it into education consulting services lol 22:40 rudyh Whatever yall come up with, let me know. I'll make pro training video and share it with yall. Like this one: https://share.synthesia.io/5d6279dc-e237-472c-a2ab-a469404acac3 22:31 Mimir909 all this messing about with MARC files only came from discovering, I think, that I can't really do anything in batches in Koha without first giving it MARC data to work with 22:31 Mimir909 That's what I was initially trying to do with MarcEdit, but was originally under the impression it could be done directly in Koha 22:29 rudyh and enable aggressive isbn matching in settings. I suspect that means trying variations of a legacy and later rendition of the ISBN. 22:27 rudyh It sounds like you want to create a batch import file to load up ISBN's against a z39 server. As I mentioned previously, don't expect 1:1 hits. 22:21 Mimir909 And in an effort to address a lot of those problems quickly, I have been mostly trying to figure out the fastest way I can throw my ISBNs at Koha and have their information sorted/inventory recorded, because we don't really have manpower for manual cataloging of any kind 22:20 Mimir909 All of this started because my workplace was using Librarika to manage their curriculum library. That seems to be abandoned by the developers, broke at some point, and I was just the one to discover it - On top of a lot of bad cataloging practices resulting in potentially years of botched information and an interface that doesn't do basic library stuff anymore 22:19 Mimir909 I love contributing to better help files 22:16 rudyh Mimir909, be sure to output UTF-8. Otherwise copyright and trademark alt symbols and foreign language accent symbols in tags won't get imported. 22:15 davidnind If you are willing to share your source data (CSV extract or MARCEdit files with the expanded data, I'd be happy to work with you on an up-to-date tutorial/workflow/step-by-step guide for the Koha Community - then others would have something to guide them in the future. But this wouldn't help immediately in solving your issues, plus I would have a lot to learn as well... 22:10 davidnind Some info that may or may not be helpful on the 952 fields https://koha-community.org/manual/23.05/en/html/cataloging.html#koha-specific-fields (I like the table structure in older versions (https://koha-community.org/manual/21.11/en/html/cataloging.html#item-holdings-record-cataloging-guide) 22:09 rudyh since we are throwing the baby out with the bath water and all. 22:09 rudyh I'd like to throw in while on the subject , that when the parameter -d delete all biblios and items option is used on bulkmarcimport.pl that the table biblio_metadata gets wiped as well. 22:07 rudyh I recommend spinning up a new KOHA instance and test test test. 22:06 Mimir909 As I'm also new to Linux =D 22:06 Mimir909 Well, I'm happy to try importing via the terminal, I should be learning that anyway 22:05 rudyh Sorry Mimir909. Too many variables to guide you precisely down this rabbit hole you've gleefully embraced. ;) Call numbers are very important. But not the reason the import is failing. 22:02 wahanui okay, Mimir909. 22:02 Mimir909 I am also passing my MARC through the tool that suggests call numbers, which apparently go under 952. Is this helpful? 22:01 rudyh Marcedit tools also has a file splitter. Split that file into 2 or 3 smaller files optionally. 22:00 Mimir909 That will be really handy for our accountant some day, I have vowed to make my department not a money hole in my time here. 22:00 davidnind My suggestion is to get a small sample of records working - so that you know it works (with the basic record information and item information (952 fields)), then do the bulk importing. Another way would to be manually catalog a record with some items, then export that to see what the marc records should look like. 21:59 rudyh cost, replacement cost, etc 21:59 rudyh well as others have stated your marc records, while gorgeous, they are missing the items information which is to say the 952 block. 21:58 Mimir909 Elaborate on the first one? I have the capacity to understand this stuff , but it is my first rodeo 21:58 rudyh lol 21:58 rudyh little disclaimer right hurrah 21:58 rudyh I don't recommend this by the way for the novice. 21:57 rudyh or be very familiar with sql inserts into the items table. Better know your schema by heart. 21:57 rudyh You'll have to create a 952$p record with barcode. Repeatable tag. 21:56 Mimir909 My hope is to use the MARC file to more easily just tell my Koha 'we currently have this' 21:56 Mimir909 But for this thing you're finding, is there a way to assign item info in a batch? 21:55 rudyh it's not 1:1 21:55 rudyh sounds about right. 21:55 Mimir909 One thing I was confused about is that this MARC file was generated by doing z39 lookups on the MarcEdit client then downloading the report; so i put in 3000 ISBNs but got 5000 records out and that's concerning to me 21:55 rudyh command line bulk for the win. 21:54 rudyh yeah, your staging choked. 21:54 Mimir909 Okay, this is all helpful to my understanding 21:54 rudyh pure marc 21:54 rudyh he doesn't have any items in the 952p 21:54 bag 952 is item information - 999xxx is going to be biblionumber and itemnumber 21:53 davidnind but if you are trying to import item records, you need the 952 tags 21:53 rudyh yeah it'll have errors when you go into edit marc. 21:53 rudyh don't need a 952 to search reservoir records. 21:53 davidnind I was just about to say what bag said, I'm also not sure what the 989 tag is .... 21:53 Mimir909 Is 952 where I would assign my internal item ID? I looked up documentation for this stuff but ho boy is it not a smooth read. 21:52 Mimir909 Or a configuration issue 21:52 Mimir909 When I ran the rebuild thinger, it seemed to only do those ones, so I think there's just a disconnect somewhere 21:52 bag I don’t see a 952 21:52 Mimir909 So I manually logged like 2-3 books to test 21:52 Mimir909 Ah, here's an interesting thing 21:51 rudyh the marc record looks fine. did you do the rebuildindex on your instance? if you did, and it didn't show, I suspect the ui is just choking on the volume of records. Hard to say from this vantage point. 21:50 davidnind Here is a recent video from a koha-US conference: CSV to MRC From spreadsheet to Koha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVeIFVkgP6o (has a link to the slides) 21:49 Mimir909 How cool! 21:49 Mimir909 Oh it already posted to chat for me. 21:49 Mimir909 https://paste.koha-community.org/25092 21:49 rudyh is admin-settings. 21:49 rudyh Something I noticed on item edits in Koha. Super slow.. some data preloading going on with something on that page. I've disabled catalog logging to see if that makes a difference. Waiting for a client to give me feedback on that. But also if you click save. it says the organization code is missing. when I click on go to field, it shows the field is blank. but when I click on the edit field, the data populates with the correct hardcoded marc organization code that 21:49 pastebot "Mimir909" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Information for support from my setup" (22 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/25092 21:45 Mimir909 Oh, interesting - I'll try those. 21:45 rudyh Just be wary of data type conversions when using Excel/Libre office. Leading zeroes get lost in barcode translations if you try any column transformations etc etc 21:42 rudyh though I do like the regex templates in koha. very powerful. 21:40 rudyh I do everything sql. my company specializes in data migrations. 21:38 davidnind I've struggled to find an up-to-date tutorial (that is not a long video!) on getting your data from a spreadsheet > MARCEdit > Koha - if anyone knows of something reasonably current, please share! 21:34 rudyh also, click on About Koha->System Information and tell us if you see any warnings. 21:32 rudyh The default framework also has to be assigned, if you don't have a custom framework. There's a lot of factors to consider of course. Under Administration->Manage Jobs, do you see any staged records?, if not, the 5k records might be too much for web ui. I recommend the console bulkmarcimport.pl 21:32 davidnind that should be https://paste.koha-community.org/ 21:28 davidnind Can you share a sample of the mrc record with an item (in paste.koha-cumminity.org) - your item records need to have appropriate 952 subfields I think, and the values used, for example for the home library, item type, etc., need to match up with the values you have configured in Koha. 20:57 Mimir909 Does anyone know what might be missing that will allow Koha to actually add the records in my MARC file as items to my catalog? It either fails on the import or doesn't seem to realize they are unique books. 18:16 Mimir909 With what I do know about the terminal - Shall I throw 'sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instancename'? 18:14 Mimir909 I am willing to learn, though bare in mind that most of what I do understand is through the web interface (I am also my job's best bet at using Koha at all, isn't that sad?) 18:12 Mimir909 I have also never interacted with Koha via command line outside of when I first installed it and got it running, which even then I did not feel I fully grasped what I was doing and just managed to get it to where I could run web installer and get to the interface with all the defaults 18:12 rudyh yeah, just run the zebra rebuild on the command line. should take a few minutes, then search for your titles again. 18:11 Mimir909 i should hope not given i used MarcEdit to get around a lack of personal ability to format MARC myself, i needed it to spit out that format for me to even try any of this lol 18:11 rudyh nice. 18:11 Mimir909 The MarcValidator found no errors 18:10 rudyh it's not a show stopper if you get a ton of errors, koha can still bring them in with errors, but you will want to clean those up, especially if you have no titles , 245$a's 18:09 rudyh i recommend running marcedit's validator tool so you know what to expect. 18:09 rudyh then you'll see how shot your xml records are. lol 18:08 rudyh There in the catalog, just in the reservoir until you decide to clean the batch. If you don't see them, you probably need to run a zebra rebuild of your indexes. 18:06 Mimir909 The other thing about it was, it won't actually let me import them into catalog, and i hear tale that it may be due to not having item IDs so it just sees them as biblios and not items. So with that I heard there may be a way to set the staging or import so that it just assigns them IDs. 18:05 Mimir909 That might be a crucial part for me to fully understand - I am hoping to use this marc file to not have to manually catalog our library so I can start using the catalog to make orders and avoid the mess that I was hired to fix in the first place, haha 18:05 rudyh i guess it depends on the staging settings. did you choose add new records on match or replace on isbn match? 18:03 Mimir909 It's a marc binary generated from the search by Marcedit, so presumably it just has whatever it pulled in a default format 18:03 rudyh i'm assuming pure marc, no items, no 952$p 18:03 Mimir909 When I look at the staged files section it just says '5000 records' (give or take) 18:02 rudyh 5000 biblios? or 5000 items? 18:00 Mimir909 I used 'Stage MARC for Import' on the staff interface 18:00 rudyh did you use console to import? bulkmarcimport.pl? 17:54 Mimir909 I discovered a question folks here may know about - I put in my list of around 3000 ISBNs i cataloged (with any copies of the same material just repeated) into MarcEdit's z39 client - Had it look them up and downloaded the results. When I put them into Koha I noticed it was more around 5000 records. How could that be? 17:53 Mimir909 Ah, I'm still online 17:52 Mimir909 Testing 17:22 Squidy aude_c[m]: Thanks 16:40 aude_c[m] Squidy Closest thing to that would be using the Batch permissions modifier plugin https://github.com/bywatersolutions/koha-plugin-batch-permissions-modifier 16:34 rudy_ linked image to my inlibro configuration. 16:34 rudy_ https://drive.lightwavelibrary.com/d/s/uuLgSRWvjqanNcFdaaqqcDyJLFYS2Zwe/ZzpzvlAbbX-s0yFzOOCII_jShe6VuMmc-PbCA_dTwsAo 16:16 rudyh works for me. what version of koha are you on? 16:16 rudyh file:///home/rudy/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202023-08-22%2011-13-43.png 16:14 rudyh how do you attach an image on here? 16:08 oleonard Squidy: Unfortunately no 16:07 Squidy Hi.. Is there a way to set permissions to user category? 16:05 rudyh Confirm that the item type you are using is OPAC visible, or the carousel will not display any items. Having said that, I've tried some older OPAC plug-ins that all broke as the versions of KOHA got upgraded. Try plugins that offer multiple type of carousel sources like the inlibro? it honors lists, reports, and item types. I think the reports module works, just make sure that if you use a report that it displays an ISBN number in the custom SQL section. 16:04 Skrivy Do you run automatic tests after commit on stable branches? I think you might have seen this. 16:03 Skrivy So I tried to build koha in docker via: ~/Koha (22.11.x) # docker run --network=host --volume=/root/Koha:/koha --volume=/tmp/debs:/debs --privileged --env VERSION=22.11.x --env RELEASE=22.11 koha/koha-dpkg:master and the result is the same: https://pastebin.com/UjKB6cyN 15:32 oleonard The instructions say that the plugin uses the OpacMainUserBlock system preference which would imply that it doesn't work after 19.11.x. I wonder if that's up to date information. 15:16 oleonard PriyanshuSoni[m]: Nothing shows below the lists box? 14:55 PriyanshuSoni[m] PriyanshuSoni[m]: I have installed plugin from inLibro for koha carousel (4.1.2), but it is not showing the option of scrolling and carousel. What's the issue? 14:55 * PriyanshuSoni[m] uploaded an image: (25KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/blUsqWHKpFyUeTlKRapJBHPq/image.png > 14:52 PriyanshuSoni[m] <rudy_> "@PriyanshuSoni[m] Re: KOHA Keeps..." <- 2nd option was working. Thanks rudy_. 14:03 rudy_ I just upgraded my synology to 16gb memory. I'd be curious if the docker model of KOHA would work nicely in this frame. 13:57 rudy_ I live out in the sticks and use MULTI-WAN. I'm on the precipice of good service and have a local free wifi as a secondary backup. ON a cloudy day, it goes up and down and picks one or the other. I had to figure this one out on my own. 13:56 oleonard [% IF ( different_ip ) %]IP address change[% END %] 13:56 oleonard It's *supposed* to ! 13:56 rudy_ yeah, it doesn't. it just splashes the authentication screen again. 13:55 oleonard I would have expected Koha to show a specific error when there is an IP mismatch 13:54 rudy_ ah, thanks! 13:54 oleonard rudy_: huginn the bot is complaining because here you don't need the "@" to address someone 13:53 huginn rudy_: I've exhausted my database of quotes 13:53 rudy_ @PriyanshuSoni[m] or change your routers MULTI-WAN model from load balancing to fail over instead. You could still see the login screen occasionally but not as frequent arguably. 13:47 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 13:47 huginn rudy_: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 13:47 rudy_ @PriyanshuSoni[m] Re: KOHA Keeps showing me authentication screen on every other click: [Answer]: This might be caused by your router having Load Balancing enabled. Modern routers can use multiple bandwidth sources. Internally your static IP address is changing and KOHA thinks your are getting hacked. Two ways to fix this. 1. Disable load balancing on your router, or 2. Go to Koha->Administration->SessionRestrictionByIP (change setting to No). Problem solved. 13:41 tcohen[m] Darn phones :-) 13:41 tcohen[m] *a bug* 13:40 tcohen[m] Useless or too fragile to serve it's purpose 13:40 tcohen[m] Chances are the failing test is relevant and gets fixed. But it might be some useless test we had on earlier versions, too. 13:39 tcohen[m] If tests are failing, then a big should be filled on bugzilla 13:39 Skrivy tcohen[m]: thanks. I didn't see this one. I'll give it a try. 13:36 tcohen[m] Use koha-dpkg-docker 13:35 Skrivy I believe tests are important. Once they are done, they should be used. 13:35 Skrivy mtj: Thanks, I wanted to avoid doing this. :( 13:34 mtj sudo DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck ./debian/build-git-snapshot -r ~/debian -v 21.11.01git -d 13:34 mtj Skrivy: use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck to skip your failling tests 13:31 paulderscheid[m] Hi mtj, could you maybe give Skrivy some pointers? 13:30 mtj hi paulderscheid[m], i am about..ish :) 13:30 paulderscheid[m] Ah, sorry. I don't even know which server this is on 13:30 Skrivy Maybe I am just missing some step. 13:30 Skrivy Is there any public pipeline available in your jenkins building deb packages? I could follow the steps there. 13:30 oleonard You'd think mtg was at Kohacon too! :D 13:30 huginn paulderscheid[m]: joubu was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Joubu> sorry I cannot help more, I have no idea! 13:30 paulderscheid[m] @seen joubu 13:29 paulderscheid[m] damn 13:29 huginn paulderscheid[m]: mtj was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 13 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <mtj> tcohen[m]++ many thanks for organising the release ❤️ 13:29 paulderscheid[m] @seen mtj 13:29 paulderscheid[m] mtj around? 13:29 Skrivy paulderscheid[m]: 22.11.x 13:29 paulderscheid[m] Did you checkout the correct branch in your git clone? 13:28 Skrivy Looking closer around one of the failing tests I see: https://pastebin.com/GHpJryQb. What cought my eye is this: Cannot open /etc/koha/log4perl.conf (No such file or directory) at /usr/share/perl5/Log/Log4perl/Config/BaseConfigurator.pm line 51. 13:27 paulderscheid[m] Seems that there's some mismatch happening 13:26 Skrivy I am now struggling with failing tests, which I am unable to debug. I execute: ~/Koha (22.11.x) # ./debian/build-git-snapshot -r ~/debian -v 22.11.x -d. I get: https://pastebin.com/WsFtjZhS 13:26 paulderscheid[m] You'll get approved in a couple minutes 13:26 Skrivy Wiki requires registration. :( 13:26 paulderscheid[m] If you see issues, please update the wiki 13:26 paulderscheid[m] Correct me if I'm wrong 13:25 paulderscheid[m] I think the guide might be out of date 13:25 oleonard Okay, just wanted to make sure 13:25 Skrivy oleonard_: Nope, build deb package. 13:25 oleonard_ Skrivy: Are you trying to install Koha? 13:23 Skrivy Hi, I am trying to build koha on clean Debian 10 system following this guide: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Building_Debian_Packages_-_The_Easy_Way. First thing I found is missing dependency on bash-completion. It should be added to the guide. 12:00 magnuse \o 10:30 oleonard o/ 07:50 magnuse there are several different logs, for opac/intranet, apache/plack etc 07:49 magnuse_ LibraryHU[m]: if you have installed with the deban packages, logs will be in /var/log/koha/<instance>/ 07:28 LibraryHU[m] where i can get the log file? 07:28 LibraryHU[m] can anyone tell me please, how i can see error log in KOHA? 07:00 PriyanshuSoni[m] aw-bib[m]: Yes, as it is perfectly working in incognito mode for now as well as from my mobile devices. 06:59 aw-bib[m] Priyanshu Soni: sounds like you loose a cookie 06:37 magnuse_ \o/ 06:15 PriyanshuSoni[m] Good morning #koha-community:matrix.org , Each time i am clicking a tab (catalogue, admin, list etc), i have to login again and again. Is it a issue due to public hosting or something else? Whats the solution?