Time Nick Message 06:32 reiveune hello 06:32 wahanui hola, reiveune 06:45 alex_ Bonjour 06:45 wahanui niihau, alex_ 06:45 cait davidnind++ :) 07:01 magnuse \o/ 07:27 Joubu ~\o/~ 07:36 magnuse Joubu: drowning? 07:36 * magnuse hands ashtart__ the superglue 07:38 aw-bib[m] hello :) 07:39 aw-bib[m] may I ask, is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_(9xx) current or are those subfield definitions outdated? just wondering as I filled in quite a few and according to the table 952$y * Koha item type but it seems this one shold go to |c. at least the record editor is complaining about a missing item type. 07:40 aw-bib[m] (our flavour is marc21) 07:49 Joubu yes almost drowned already! 08:10 magnuse aw-bib[m]: that page should be current 08:12 aw-bib[m] ok. is there a difference between 952 passed in by some marcXML and 952 in the record editor I should be aware of? if I open such a record in the editor it tells me that a mandatory field is not set, but I do pass it on in |y as given. maybe I missunderstand the value of |y in said table. I assume BK for book in default settings, right? 08:15 magnuse BK looks like a good candidate for 952y, yes 08:16 aw-bib[m] ok, then I'll put this complaint of the record editor on my mystery to solve list ;) thank you! 09:01 cait aw-bib[m]: 942$c is the itemtype on record level - it's mandatory by default - maybe that's what you mean? 09:01 cait the items inherit as a suggestion on the item form when you manually add them, you can also use it to search by itemtype for records without items and it's used in some circulation contexts (article requests, hold calculations) 09:02 cait so what you saw is not linked to the items, just the itemtype on a different level 09:18 Joubu cait: messy signoff on 33973 09:19 cait ah sorry, probably missed it's 2 patches 09:20 cait Ican try to fix tonight, but probably not ealrier 09:20 Joubu Did I miss the roadmap link somewhere? 09:21 cait i think the wiki page was not created yet, tcohen? 09:21 cait that is something I could make a draft for if youwant 09:21 cait we could maybe do a table? topics, interested parties, progress? 09:23 ashimema +1 09:26 aw-bib[m] silly me, you're right the two tags were to close to each other and my miss-conception was that the record type is derived from the leader and 008 where I have similar information. thanks again! :) 09:40 cait you are welcome - and not wrong either, the material type/format and other things are derived from LDR, 007, 008 09:42 cait item type is more a circulation type if you take a closer look, the translation Medientyp is a bit unfortunate in that regard 09:43 cait but it was hard to change, I tried at one point :) itemtype can be linked to material types (because you circulate your serials differently than your books), but it could also be something like "short term loan" 09:43 cait or "reference" (Präsenz) 09:44 cait sometimes it's a mix too 09:47 cait tcohen: ok with me makign a draft for roadmap? 09:52 aw-bib[m] @cait thanks for all the input :) you just pointed me at another long ignored field (007) that I have to derive. as mentioned some days ago as our invenio is pretty ignorant of controlfields we had to model most of this slightly differently. so I am not too familar with all those things (yet ;) 09:52 huginn aw-bib[m]: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 09:52 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 09:53 cait the buts react on the @ :) 09:54 cait hm you used to get a link to a new page when making a serach... but no longer. any new trick? 09:54 cait (wiki) 09:56 cait the link is gone, even if the result list is empty 09:58 cait found a trick... 10:08 cait tcohen: ashimema: draf is here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_for_23.11 10:19 ashimema nice one 10:36 cait the buts earlier shoudl have read "the bots"... 11:32 marcelr o/ 11:52 NikolayGospodinov[m] Hello! I have a problem when trying to install Koha. On this step (Create a Koha instance) i get this message: 11:53 NikolayGospodinov[m] Koha requires mpm_itk to be enabled within Apache in order to run. 11:53 NikolayGospodinov[m] Typically this can be enabled with: 11:53 NikolayGospodinov[m] sudo a2dismod mpm_event ; sudo a2enmod mpm_itk 11:53 NikolayGospodinov[m] my mpm_event module is enabled 11:54 NikolayGospodinov[m] Can someone help me please 11:55 aw-bib[m] if i get the message right it does not want mpm_event but mpm_itk from the typically this can be enabled with I read an explicit disable for your module and an explicit enable for the other one. (though I am no apache expert.) 11:55 NikolayGospodinov[m] ok 11:56 aw-bib[m] iow (if you use sudo) you can just copy the line to switch them. 11:57 NikolayGospodinov[m] when i run sudo a2enmod mpm_itk this message is shown 11:57 NikolayGospodinov[m] ERROR: Module mpm_itk does not exist! 11:58 tcohen hola cait 11:58 tcohen hola #koha o/ 11:58 tcohen cait++ 11:58 NikolayGospodinov[m] i try to install sudo apt-get install -y apache2-mpm-itk but this message is shown: Package apache2-mpm-itk is not available, but is referred to by another package. 11:58 tcohen NikolayGospodinov[m]: what Koha version, following which instructions on which OS? 11:59 NikolayGospodinov[m] I am using Debian 12, https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 11:59 tcohen hmmm 11:59 aw-bib[m] mpm_itk should be available in bookworm. 12:00 aw-bib[m] but it's libapache2-mpm-itk 12:00 aw-bib[m] https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/libapache2-mpm-itk 12:00 NikolayGospodinov[m] I use this guide 12:00 aw-bib[m] you might want to give apt install libapache2-mpm-itk a try. 12:00 tcohen Debian 12 should be fine, but it has just been released and I'm not sure we 100% tested on it 12:01 aw-bib[m] * you might want to give apt install libapache2-mpm-itk a try. 12:01 tcohen what Koha version again? 12:01 NikolayGospodinov[m] the last stable version 12:01 wahanui it has been said that the last stable version is 18.11 12:01 NikolayGospodinov[m] i am using the guide 12:02 tcohen NikolayGospodinov[m]: I recomment you pick 22.11 and wait until july to upgrade 12:03 NikolayGospodinov[m] you think the problem is with the version? 12:03 cait forget latest stable version 12:03 wahanui cait: I forgot latest stable version 12:03 cait 23.05 is just 2 weeks old 12:03 tcohen if you are starting to try it, it's ok 12:04 Joubu "stable" is misleading in this case :D 12:04 NikolayGospodinov[m] what about the error with the mpm-itk. Is it connected to the koha version 12:04 Joubu I don't think so 12:04 tcohen Joubu: it is stable, only a couple rough edges 12:06 tcohen :-P 12:07 cait how new is Debian12? 12:07 aw-bib[m] still warm ;) 12:07 Joubu NikolayGospodinov[m]: did you try to install libapache2-mpm-itk? 12:08 aw-bib[m] * warm ;) June 10th, 2023 12:09 cait sounds "hot" :) 12:09 NikolayGospodinov[m] Yes. Again shows this: Module mpm_itk does not exist! 12:10 aw-bib[m] mind the name: libapache2-mpm-itk 12:10 Joubu libapache2-mpm-itk vs apache2-mpm-itk? 12:11 NikolayGospodinov[m] i run this command: apt-get install libapache2-mpm-itk 12:11 aw-bib[m] and then you also enabled it, right? 12:12 NikolayGospodinov[m] Then i run this command: sudo a2enmod mpm_itk 12:12 NikolayGospodinov[m] and it shows: Module mpm_itk does not exist! 12:15 aw-bib[m] apt need root rights, (sudo or whatever) and it did install the pacakge? (dpkg --get-selections | grep itk eg. should show it.) 12:16 NikolayGospodinov[m] when i run dpkg --get-selections | grep itk it shows: libapache2-mpm-itk install 12:16 aw-bib[m] so this looks promising, the package is there. 12:16 aw-bib[m] a2enmod mpm_itk in my case will then enable it. 12:17 aw-bib[m] (or tell me that it is already enabled.) 12:17 aw-bib[m] again needs root rigths (sudo or the like) 12:18 * NikolayGospodinov[m] uploaded an image: (16KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/JixrKrPHwDIqNgdHzUigEMvF/image.png > 12:18 Joubu "unable to resolve" 12:18 Joubu is the error 12:18 aw-bib[m] yepp. 12:18 aw-bib[m] maybe https://linuxhandbook.com/sudo-unable-resolve-host/ is worth a read on this. 12:21 NikolayGospodinov[m] i added library as host 12:21 NikolayGospodinov[m] Still 12:21 * NikolayGospodinov[m] uploaded an image: (10KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/QlAhLnbMOJnbAmwChoXnIxzc/image.png > 12:22 * Joubu running a debian:12 docker image 12:26 tcohen Joubu++ 12:27 Joubu I reached koha-create succesfully 12:27 Joubu NikolayGospodinov[m]: did you restart apache2? 12:28 Joubu ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_* 12:34 Joubu NikolayGospodinov[m]: still around? 12:34 NikolayGospodinov[m] is your mpm_event enabled? 12:35 Joubu it should not, given the error you have 12:35 NikolayGospodinov[m] i restart it 12:35 NikolayGospodinov[m] but mine is 12:35 Joubu apache2ctl -M|grep event 12:35 Joubu returns nothing 12:36 Joubu `apache2ctl -M|grep mpm` returns 12:36 * NikolayGospodinov[m] uploaded an image: (19KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/mzbIJWAYnTRslAEMoLagRrPg/image.png > 12:36 Joubu mpm_itk_module (shared) 12:36 Joubu mpm_prefork_module (shared) 12:36 Joubu dismod mpm_event 12:36 Joubu a2dismod mpm_event && a2enmod mpm_itk 12:38 NikolayGospodinov[m] this is what happend 12:38 * NikolayGospodinov[m] uploaded an image: (204KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/AQaqyYfxmFsHOupjhhseqEXH/image.png > 12:39 Joubu what does contain the apache logs? 12:47 NikolayGospodinov[m] [Wed Jun 14 08:37:15.074905 2023] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 177019:tid 140662187952000] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down 12:49 NikolayGospodinov[m] I do not have this path /etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_* 13:02 oleonard-away Joubu: I saw your comment on Bug 33983 but I'm confused because usually I find that [% PROCESS 'i18n.inc' %] has to be in the actual template or there is an error 13:02 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33983 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move translatable strings out of OPAC's datatables.inc into JavaScript 13:05 oleonard Joubu: I found when working on the title i18n bugs that it doesn't work to put the PROCESS in doc-head-close.inc 13:21 Joubu possible, there was one already, html_helpers so I thought it would work! 13:25 Joubu NikolayGospodinov[m]: I am sorry I have no idea what's going on 13:25 Joubu there should be a meaningful error somewhere 13:27 Joubu ho there is one: "no mpm loaded" 13:34 Joubu cait, tcohen: I am editing the roadmap wiki page to replace the table with section 13:34 cait why? 13:34 cait it's just going to be messy again 13:35 cait and API is an abbreviation 13:35 cait I was just gonig to fill it with some data too 13:36 cait are you not using the visual editor? 13:38 cait we could at least compare both before deciding 13:38 Joubu I think the table is messy 13:39 cait API is still capitals. 13:40 cait sorry, I just spent some time on it this morning I didn't really have. Woudl have liked to at least see it tried out 13:40 Joubu ok 13:41 Joubu I am not the one who did that atually 13:41 Joubu I was editing it as well but didn't save 13:41 Joubu I just wanted to put my stuffs somewhere I will wait a bit more 13:42 cait I don't feel like we do well with long text pages 13:43 Joubu the tool is not the problem IMO :D 13:43 Joubu so whatever you decide is fine for me 13:44 cait you are right 13:44 cait maybe we can do a template for the sections ? 13:44 cait like they should all have a title, description, person list and some status? 13:49 cait sorry for being grouchy - just dealing with a lot of complaints and borken stuff the last hour 14:03 Joubu https://snipboard.io/Wk2jUx.jpg - this is what I had 14:07 cait looks good - maybenot sure about the bug link in the heading - 14:11 cait hm conflict resolving in mediawiki is confusing 14:11 cait i just lost the new attempt :( 14:21 oleonard How did I mess up my permissions in such a way that I can't use recalls with superlibrarian privileges? 14:21 oleonard It works correctly with the sample data... 14:22 cait Joubu: second suggestion more in line with yours, what do you think? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_for_23.11 14:22 Joubu oleonard: if the permission is not in the DB 14:23 oleonard I must have missed a db update somewhere. 14:23 Joubu cait: it's missing a header I think 14:23 cait I used h2 and h3 14:24 cait but the sectiosn don't really separate well 14:24 Joubu "Update Font Awesome - Bug 32910" is a sub entry of "UI" 14:24 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32910 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Upgrade fontawesome icons to V6 14:24 cait ah ok, i was just trying to do a sample one 14:24 Joubu API and Refactoring at tghe same level of UI 14:24 cait ok, that's an easys fix 14:27 Joubu what are the major issues with the task queue? 14:28 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roadmap_for_23.11pease check again 14:28 Joubu looks good 14:29 Joubu no collaborative plugin for the wiki? 14:29 Joubu collaborative editor* 14:37 cait i don't know what you are talking about :) 14:37 cait is that to edit at the same timeß 14:38 Joubu yes to avoid the lock and loosing edits you know :D 14:42 cait it would be nice... 14:42 cait not sure if Mediawiki can do that at all 14:44 Joubu https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Real-time_collaboration 14:44 Joubu "The code is currently experimental and unstable. " 14:44 Joubu but well... then... why the wiki? 14:45 Joubu I am kidding, I said I didn't care! 14:52 oleonard Can you not place a recall on behalf of a patron via the staff interface? 14:58 caroline oleonard, I don't think so 14:58 caroline I think it's in the plans to add it, but so far it's only through the opac 14:59 oleonard What an odd omission 15:00 caroline Maybe they just wanted to get it into Koha, and then work on it further... Recalls are one of those who lingered for many years 15:02 cait1 oleonard: there is a bug for that i'd love to get in 15:02 cait1 it makes it much more useful 15:02 cait1 bug 31391 15:02 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31391 enhancement, P3, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Staff-side recalls