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01:48 thomas63[m] hi there again
01:48 thomas63[m] does anyone have an idea, why I land on a webpage “Welcome to the Koha 23.05 web installer” after I did an Ubuntu and Koha upgrade? It looks like Koha runs, but I am locked inside this web installer page and cannot see any of my data? Any hint is appreciated, thanks
07:00 reiveune hello
07:00 wahanui bidet, reiveune
07:09 cait hello #koha
07:35 aw-bib[m] hello :)
07:36 aw-bib[m] may I ask: how picky is koha about the Marc leader and the 008? (our current system is completely ignorant of those fields and does not set them, so for migration I'd have to invent them somehow or, well, continue to ignore them.)
07:51 cait setting the publication date in 008 is good
07:52 cait because koha will use that normalized date for the date range search
07:52 cait you also need to have a LDR for tihngs right with the position for encoding set correctly
07:52 cait otherwise you will see problems with diacritics
07:53 cait LDR pos. 9 = a
07:53 cait I'd also try to set LDR pos. 7 if you can
07:54 cait it's one of hte fields used to show material type icons
07:54 cait and LDR pos. 6
07:54 cait also both can be useful for search
07:54 cait but the encoding one is pretty mandatory and easy (always a)
07:55 cait and 008 pos. 7-10 for the publication date I mentioned
07:55 cait aw-bib[m]: ^
07:56 aw-bib[m] ok, thanks for all these pointers :) then I'll dive into that. I think we have all data that is required in our records, I'll "just" have to collect them and translate. (e.g. type of record is a `336 7_` in our case.)
07:56 aw-bib[m] ldr 7 will open a bit of a box where I think I'll have to resort of further help as I am not yet clear how multivolume works are handled in koha compared to what we have. we had to be a bit creative there using a model similar to gvk.
08:08 aw-bib[m] and as I stumble upon it: 001 (record id) is not some sort of primary key in koha? (IOW should I drop it or keep it?)
08:11 paxed it's used (for example) when searching for component parts of a record, but it doesn't have to be the same as biblionumber (koha database biblio key)
08:12 cait you can put your current ID in 001 if you like
08:12 cait you can set up Koha to put the biblionumber there later if you like
08:12 paxed and 001 alone isn't necessarily unique anyway; only 001+003 must be unique
08:12 cait hm, maybe if you migrate there use a prefix, just to make sure
08:12 paxed (at least according to marc format)
08:13 cait later = for new records, is what I meant
08:13 cait and what paxed said, it's used for component records or any type of linking between bibliographic records, like the multi volumes you mentioned
08:14 aw-bib[m] ok. so from @paxed I understand that linking will be done by 001 (noted for my translation) and I should ensure 001+003 to be unique, which is how I understood it. and from @cait I understand that I can keep it with 003 set properly. (in invenio 001 is the primary key, autogenerated etc., that's why we never used it for linking.)
08:14 cait Koha doesn't do 001 + 003 perfectly everywhere yet, that's why I said maybe use a prefix for your old ones to make sure they don't interfere if you want to use the biblionumber there later for your new records
08:15 cait so your 001 are also unique without the 003 within your koha installation
08:15 cait that will put you on the save side
08:16 aw-bib[m] it would be but I's easy enough to derive a proper 003 (we did not have this field in the past)
08:16 Joubu kidclamp: can you have a look at 33950 please? I have no idea how to test it!
08:16 aw-bib[m] (to spice up my job a bit I have 4 libraries to migrate ;)
08:16 paxed either your library/consortium has a proper code to put in 003, or you can just make it up - assuming you're not exporting records to other systems
08:17 cait bug 33950
08:17 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33950 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Unnecessary processing in opac-readingrec if BakerTaylor or Syndetics off
08:18 cait aw-bib[m]: the code you use there can match with the MARCOrgCode set in administration > libraries - Koha will use that later for 003
08:18 cait there is also a global preference setting, if you want all libraries to use the same 003
08:19 aw-bib[m] usually we use the sigel (DE-H253 etc.)
08:19 cait yes, that's correct
08:19 cait ISIL :)
08:19 cait German ISIL are derived from the Sigels - starting with DE- - that's your correct MARCOrgCode
08:20 cait MARC standard wise that's perfect
08:20 aw-bib[m] I just used the wrong word, indeed. ISIL was what I referred to.
08:22 cait yes, got it
08:23 aw-bib[m] we did try not to break it and stick to it as much as we can. so without too much effort I already see records in koha. now I try to make the behave nicely. the old system used a very liberal view of marc. (basically they considered it to be a funny thing that names fields by 3 digits then two mainly useless things nobody understands followed by some funny letters for a thing called subfield. iow in our project it learned quite a bit of
08:23 aw-bib[m] marc proper ;)
08:24 cait Koha tries to stick to MARC proper
08:25 cait not perfectly either probably, but sounds like it's more standard'ish than your previous system :)
08:27 aw-bib[m] as I say we added quite a bit of restrictions to stick as close as we can to marc. so even the quick and dirty import moving 852/867 -> 952 gave me a pretty nice record with holdings. but of course I'd not see the nitty gritty details you mentioned in just one record.
08:27 cait if you can get the items out nicely that's already great
08:29 aw-bib[m] yes, it looks pretty promising, indeed. also the bibliographic part was done pretty well.
08:48 eythian https://aeon.co/essays/the-1970s-librarians-who-revolutionised-the-challenge-of-search
09:53 Joubu kidclamp: another one for you maybe? bug 33951
09:53 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33951 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , normalized_oclc not defined in opac-readingrecord.tt
09:53 Joubu or oleonard?
09:53 wahanui it has been said that oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though
10:15 cait Joubu: https://snipboard.io/MRlWT6.jpg
10:15 cait I have added the patron categories to your patch and some red text
10:15 cait like/dislike? :)
10:17 * cait waves at khall
10:17 Joubu cait: I like it
10:17 Joubu sorry, I've edited the bug title
10:17 * khall waves at cait
10:17 Joubu hi khall!
10:17 wahanui it has been said that hi khall is my consciousness present in this realm?
10:17 cait Joubu: I'll have a look - follow-up incoming :)
10:17 khall hi Joubu !
10:18 Joubu khall: I am about to fix bug 8483 with bug 33948!
10:18 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Borrower reading history should include deleted items
10:18 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, ASSIGNED , Replace GetAllIssues with Koha::Checkouts - staff
10:18 cait wahanui: that#s kinda deep
10:18 wahanui cait: i'm not following you...
10:18 khall excellent!
10:34 cait I was hoping to get help from the wiki for a mailing list mail... what I got:
10:34 cait Is your zebra running?
10:34 cait You better go catch it then.
10:34 cait Funny, but not helpful!
10:34 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Troubleshooting_Zebra#Is_your_zebra_running.3F
10:39 cait Can someone help with this one? https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2023-June/059568.html
10:40 Joubu cait: re bug 33581 I think we have a "hint" class for that
10:40 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33581 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Error in Webinstaller concerning sample holidays and patrons requiring sample libraries
10:41 cait Joubu: I think hint is grey
10:41 cait but we might have a more a required too
10:44 Joubu red is agressive, and we already have the "disabled" prop
10:44 Joubu but it's fine if you are happy with it! :)
10:44 Joubu I don't mind
10:47 cait I pondered a tooltip on the checkboxes - but that felt hidden (and I didn't figure out how)
10:47 cait I'll try to switch to hint in a few minutes
10:56 cait hm checkouts table is not showing for me on master
10:56 cait GET
10:56 cait http://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/koha/svc/checkouts?borrowernumber=51
10:56 cait [HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized 67ms]
10:56 cait why does the API hate me?
10:57 cait Joubu: do you have an idea?
10:59 cait hm, it started working again now. *puzzled*
11:03 Joubu morning work: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=33947
11:03 Joubu bug 33947
11:03 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33947 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Move GetAllIssues to Koha
11:20 kidclamp joubu: done, see 33957 - you can test without a syndetics account
11:21 kidclamp we should probably also standardize getting the xml to get a record, or just geting biblio->metadata->record
11:30 tcohen hola #koha o/
11:39 cait anyone an idea about Re: [Koha] Background job / Staging MARC import stuck at 0% ? We ave also seen this. kidclamp suggested bug 32990, but that is in the latest 22.11.06 which they claim to have tested with. We saw it in 22.11.05
11:39 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=32990 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to stable , Possible deadlock in C4::ImportBatch::_update_batch_record_counts
11:47 tcohen any vscode user, please review my instructions for perltidy here
11:47 tcohen https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Perltidy
11:47 tcohen as greed yesterday
11:48 ashimema * Dashboard updated for 23.05 builds 🙂
11:48 tcohen ashimema++
11:48 tcohen do we have 23.05 builds already?
11:48 ashimema yup
11:48 ashimema mtj set them up 🙂
11:48 tcohen yay!
11:48 tcohen mtj++
11:49 ashimema I believe
11:49 ashimema I checked before doing the corresponding dashboard change 🙂
11:49 ashimema I'm a bit confused.. our maintanence branch policies these days are a mess..
11:49 tcohen they are there
11:49 ashimema I don't really understand why we're supporting 21.11 still
11:50 ashimema it's not an LTS is it...
11:50 ashimema https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Versioning#LTS_Releases
11:50 ashimema we're just spreading FUD and confusion by going to add-hoc
11:54 cait we support 4 versions is what we decided on
11:55 cait we are in the second line of this table now
11:55 ashimema 21.11 is a 'normal release' though right
11:55 cait we also had a model up for voting that had 3 versions - but people wanted this one
11:56 ashimema yet it's getting 24 months support instead of 18
11:56 cait hm, maybe a mistake in my documentation?
11:56 ashimema 21.05 also had 24 months
11:56 tcohen you're asking why 21.11 is marked as supported
11:56 ashimema yeah
11:56 ashimema well..
11:56 tcohen because Catalyst volunteered
11:56 tcohen heh
11:56 ashimema it IS supported as Cataylst decided to support it
11:56 cait but it is also in the table that we voted
11:56 wahanui okay, cait.
11:57 ashimema but I think it's really confusing for people to try and understand our process if we just adhoc support whatever the heck we want to
11:58 tcohen we shuold use some coloring
11:58 cait ah i guess because we are just building up with the old versions
11:58 tcohen so we could have a different color to mark exceptional cases like this
11:58 cait if you look at 23.05 that will have 18 months
11:58 Joubu tcohen: bug 33951 applies correctly after bug 33950 you haved just pushed
11:58 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33951 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Passed QA , normalized_oclc not defined in opac-readingrecord.tt
11:58 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33950 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Unnecessary processing in opac-readingrec if BakerTaylor and Syndetics off
11:59 cait tcohen: i tihnk the cases will run out
11:59 cait with the next cycle
11:59 * ashimema thinks by the time we actually hit the LTS part of 22.11 no-one will want to be running it
12:00 cait I don't see that, I thikn we will
12:00 cait the idea was to give people time to switch, we discussed it all at length
12:00 ashimema OK.. perhaps I should re-phrase that
12:00 ashimema I don't think anyone will be here to rmaint it 😜
12:00 cait trying out that model takes time and patience, we'll see how it works out in the end
12:01 ashimema yup.. fair enough
12:01 tcohen Joubu: how so?
12:01 Joubu kidclamp: thanks!
12:01 tcohen Joubu: retrying :-P
12:01 tcohen ah
12:01 tcohen it didn't have the dependency
12:01 tcohen cheater
12:06 cait khall_: still around?
12:06 khall_ yep!
12:06 cait i have trouble with the patches for the dealy
12:06 cait i had it the first time too but then it ifnally started to work and now i have it again
12:06 cait patches applied, restart all, fresh private window in firefox
12:07 cait checkouts table doesn't want to load
12:07 cait Uncaught SyntaxError: expected expression, got ';' circulation.pl:2021:40
12:07 cait Uncaught ReferenceError: script is not defined
12:07 cait <anonymous> http://localhost:8081/intranet-tmpl/prog/js/checkouts_23.0600003.js:257
12:07 cait jQuery 13
12:07 cait e
12:07 cait t
12:07 cait setTimeout handler*Deferred/then/l/<
12:07 cait c
12:07 cait fireWith
12:07 cait fire
12:07 cait c
12:07 cait fireWith
12:07 cait ready
12:07 cait B
12:07 cait EventListener.handleEvent*
12:07 cait <anonymous>
12:07 cait <anonymous>
12:07 cait checkouts_23.0600003.js:257:10
12:07 cait ups
12:10 cait oh i know
12:10 cait i had the old preference in my database.
12:14 cait khall_: it's ok, I figured it out.
12:14 khall_ that's great! was it browser caching or something?
12:14 khall_ ah, prefs, gotcha
12:14 cait no... missed running the database update
12:14 cait yeah
12:14 tcohen wait
12:15 cait hm?
12:15 tcohen if you didn't run the DB update
12:15 tcohen it means it explodes if the syspref is null?
12:15 cait it explodes if the pref doesn't exist
12:15 cait but you are right, I will check with empty too
12:15 tcohen set it to NULL
12:16 cait yeah, you are right
12:16 cait i thought I had tested this already the first time around, but it breaks
12:16 cait and we start it off with empty
12:17 cait const LoadCheckoutsTableDelay = [% Koha.Preference('LoadCheckoutsTableDelay') | html %]; < this breaks with "" or NULL
12:17 cait
12:18 Joubu use Koha missing?
12:18 Joubu [% USE Koha %]
12:18 cait no it just invalid JS
12:18 cait = ; is not valid
12:19 cait so if you empty out the pref the checkout stable doens't load, it's added with 9
12:19 cait with 0
12:19 Joubu use [% Koha.Preference("pref") || 0 | html %]
12:20 cait khall_: I can try that
12:21 cait works
12:21 khall_ I just caught another issue, the spinner shows on moremember.pl, I'll add a followup for that too
12:22 cait just uploadig mine
12:22 cait can you grab that?
12:26 khall_ can do!
12:28 Joubu kidclamp: about oclc and xml - I am actually removing all that in the follow-up bugs ;)
12:29 Joubu ashimema: bug 33946 - I think you are correct, we should sync the JS part as well
12:29 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33946 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , biblio-title.inc should not add a link if biblio does not exist
12:29 ashimema in the end I wasn't 100% sure
12:29 ashimema it confused me
12:29 ashimema if biblio doesn't exist we just return an empty string early
12:30 ashimema in the tt version I'm not sure how we get further if biblio is also empty
12:30 * ashimema needs lunch.. re-reading above didn't make much sense to me so good luck interpreting it ;P
12:33 cait khall_: ready?
12:34 Joubu ashimema: the context is bug 33948, where we display old checkouts that have the biblio deleted
12:34 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace GetAllIssues with Koha::Checkouts - staff
12:34 Joubu ashimema: enjoy your lunch!
12:41 cait Joubu: we are missing hte css file with the hint class definition in the installer
12:42 Joubu yes... we should remove this specific css file for installer IMO
12:43 cait it does have some specific styles... different project
12:43 cait should I add the hint?
12:44 Joubu yes
12:44 Joubu I think so
12:48 cait i https://snipboard.io/atCuR7.jpg
12:50 cait y
12:52 cait kidclamp: bug 33959 relating to your other syndetics discussion today?
12:52 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33959 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem displaying Syndetics cover images in staff searching
13:08 kidclamp will look
13:15 Joubu ashimema, tcohen: can you approve https://gitlab.com/koha-community/qa-test-tools/-/merge_requests/53 ?
13:22 Joubu how do we deal with yesterday's dev meeting?
13:22 Joubu missing topics, new meeting page, etc
13:27 cait i think maybe missing because it might have been added manually?
13:27 cait or is it a problem with the script?
13:28 Joubu tcohen: did you run the script?
13:29 cait I believe davidnind scheduled it
13:29 cait https://wiki.koha-community.org/w/index.php?title=Development_IRC_meeting_7_June_2023&action=history
13:30 Joubu cait: Geany part for Perltidy on the wiki is wrong, you shouldn't pass --noprofile
13:31 Joubu sorry, just had a look at the history and you have not edited this page recently!
13:32 cait Joubu: nope :) was waiting for the other updates to see how it needs to be run :)
13:33 cait the page is wrong overall still
13:33 cait The offical perltidy style for perl code in Koha is the perltidy 'default' or 'larry-wall' style. There was a customised perltidy style in Koha for a while, but it was never official or enforced and later removed.
13:33 cait we need to fix the intro
13:34 cait should I just delete it for now?
13:37 Joubu yes
13:42 caroline I have an authority question. Is it normal that Koha only replaces the subfields from the authority in the biblio record and leaves the rest as is?
13:42 caroline I think it's normal, but I have a client complaining about this behaviour so I'm not sure
13:46 khall_ Joubu I dm'ed tcohen about the db update fix
13:47 Joubu thx!
13:48 cait Joubu: updated the page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Perltidy
13:48 cait caroline: i think yo might be able to define that
13:48 cait but if you think of $e relator stuff, you don't want that to be overwritten probably
13:49 caroline That's the example i'm thinking of. But the example the client gave me was for the date in $d
13:49 cait caroline: AuthorityMergeMode maybe?
13:49 caroline I found AuthorityMergeMode, but even in strict mode, the $d stays in the biblio even if the authority does not have it
13:50 cait hm maybe that's only for auto-merge
13:51 caroline marie-luce found bug 20711, seems it isn't the first time we get this question (it's probably from the same client)
13:51 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20711 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Previous fields are not cleared when selecting an authority in cataloguing
13:52 cait and AuthorityControlledIndicators is only for indicators
13:52 caroline marcel concludes "we cannot...", does that mean it's impossible?
13:52 cait dunno
13:55 Joubu easy PQA on bug 33888
13:55 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33888 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Overdue fines not displayed branchoverdues.pl error 500
13:55 cait I'll take it
14:23 Joubu oleonard: what's the status of the offline circ?
14:23 Joubu should we deprecate it? or rewrite it?
14:23 Joubu (I guess rewrite is better but...:D)
14:33 cait not sure if it's worth the trouble - if we could get wider browser support that would be nice, but we always used the plugin
15:01 reiveune bye
15:02 Joubu bug 2608 # can we consider 15 years later that the networks are fast enough to submit a koc file without reaching a timeout?
15:02 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2608 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, offline circ processing of large KOC files can time out
15:02 Joubu ie. remove the background process from there
15:32 cait I have no idea :) I guess they are not super big usually?
15:40 Joubu bug 33962 and bug 33963
15:40 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33962 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::BackgroundJob from process_koc
15:40 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::BackgroundJob
15:40 Joubu \o/
15:41 cait :)
15:50 Joubu bug 33961
15:50 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=33961 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation tool no longer working and should be removed
15:50 * Joubu in destructive mode
15:56 cait lol
16:35 ashimema Haha