Time Nick Message 02:16 dcook ORMs... arggggh 02:25 dcook But also how we use it... 06:01 alex_ Bonjour 06:01 wahanui what's up, alex_ 07:00 cait good morning #koha! 07:07 fridolin yellowwwww 07:08 * dcook waves 07:08 dcook I hope everyone has a better Koha day than I did heh 07:13 cait fridolin: violet! 07:25 fridolin ^^ 07:36 cait jajm: back on the redesign for a bit now 07:36 cait If someone wants to join: https://staff-gui.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl 07:38 jajm cait: i'm about to push a new patch for the header search bar 07:39 jajm done 07:40 cait i'll look at the other things first, just started 07:40 cait i like the new sidebar look 07:40 cait https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues/30 07:44 cait jajm: is there something I could do to make your life easier to see which tested ok? so far I comment, because I can't change the labels I thnk 07:49 paulderscheid[m] morning #koha 07:49 cait good morning paulderscheid[m] :) 07:58 jajm cait: i'll look at github settings to see what i can allow people to do, but a comment is enough i think 07:59 cait ok, happy to do that, just wanted to check with you what you'd prefer 08:45 ashimema +1 08:53 cait jajm: does it makes sense to reset the sandbox now for the search bars? 08:56 jajm cait: i think so 08:56 cait ok, on it 09:12 cait jajm: maybe we shoudl also do a test of the search bar with an RTL script (Arabic or Hebrew) ? 09:13 cait i can't install those from the action menu in the sandbox 09:13 ashimema that's a good call cait 09:13 ashimema We should add an RTL lang to the sandbox options.. 09:13 cait also... mobile - I believe hte last iteration has an issue with small screens (maybe before too) 09:15 jajm just tried with ar-Arab... it's completely broken of course :) 09:15 cait no super good news for small screens either 09:15 cait adding screenshots right now 09:17 ashimema is 'ar-Arab' a good one to have as an option on the sandboxes cait? 09:17 ashimema or would Hebrew be better? 09:18 ashimema or both I suppose.. 09:18 ashimema it's a simple template change to add support 09:18 cait i think ar-Arab is the more complete one 09:18 cait at least it used to be a while ago 09:18 cait so we might get more 'effect' 09:19 cait while you are on it... maybe ukrainian? 09:19 cait that would also be interesting for the diacritics and script 09:19 ashimema whats the code for ukrainian? 09:19 cait uk 09:20 cait in pootle... not sure about koha sec 09:20 cait uk-UA 09:20 ashimema ta 09:34 cait someone ideas about a 500 error on returning items? 09:43 saa after upgrading my koha from 19.05 to 21.11 I am unable to issue return and my intranet error log shows error AH01215: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 784.: /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/errors/500.pl I am unable to see my libraries name under libraries in global system preferences 09:43 saa can someone help to sort out this error 09:50 saa [cgi:error] [pid 6606] [client 172.16.3.14:56574] AH01215: Argument "" isn't numeric in numeric gt (>) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/categories.tt line 631 09:50 saa can someone help 09:50 saa i am getting this error 09:56 saa after upgrading i am unable to see libraries name how to sort out this error 09:57 saa can someone help 10:10 cait bbiab 10:10 cait saa: tat's only a warning - your error shoudl be elsewhere 10:11 cait you have a problem with the API 10:11 cait that#s what the missing library list points to 10:12 cait ok then 10:16 saa cait can u help me to sort out issue of API 10:16 saa can u help me 10:16 saa i am unable to see my library name 10:16 saa in my kohaadmin page 10:22 saa cait why cannot i see my library name on my kohaadmin page 10:27 saa i would greatly appreciate your help 10:35 cait tehre have been several mails on the mailng ist about this 10:35 cait i think a held back pacakge is the issue most of the time 10:36 cait mtj still awake amybe? 10:36 cait check this thread here maybe: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29964 10:36 huginn` Bug 29964: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SMTP server list not populating 10:37 cait it's abut SMTP serves, but that's the same issue 10:42 cait http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-08-23#i_2446340 10:43 cait one solution is also outlined here: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2022-June/057978.html 10:45 cait hi oleonard :) 10:46 oleonard o/ 11:30 cait jajm: taking a break... giving others a chance to comment 11:38 mtj hi cait, i will write that API troubleshooting guide now... 11:39 oleonard jajm: I still like the original design with centered table headers and columns but it only works if you can designate certain individual columns as being left-aligned. https://snipboard.io/X9l2hN.jpg 11:42 oleonard The new search bar design works better to accommodate multiple fields but it's still unusable if you have both IntranetAddMastheadLibraryPulldown and IntranetCatalogSearchPulldown enabled (and your browser isn't maximized) 11:48 jajm should we move all secondary inputs into the "extra" filters area then ? 11:49 cait mtj: you'd do me a great favor 12:03 tcohen hola #koha 12:26 tcohen hola mtj cait 12:29 mtj hola tcohen 🷠12:33 cait jajm: i think the extra filters is good 12:33 cait jajm: the idea to move there... 13:03 liliputech hi koha! 13:03 wahanui hi koha! is probably there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) ? 13:05 cait hi liliputech 13:07 cait new stange thing... pull downs on advanced search, my coworkers swear it#s a different font? 13:07 magnuse huh, trying to install 22.05 with debian packages on ubuntu 20.04. the webinstaller says i have no Search::Elasticsearch and need "Minimum version: 6.80". apt-cache policy says i have 6.00-1 of libsearch-elasticsearch-perl. what am i missing? mtj? 13:07 magnuse hiya liliputech 13:08 cait hm isn't 6.0 lower than 6.8? 13:09 mtj magnuse: hiya.. 1 tic 13:09 magnuse cait: i would think so 13:13 cait but then the warning is right, isnt't it? 13:13 cait and I think you got to install elastic seaparate from Koha as it's not mandatory yet? 13:13 mtj magnuse: you are installing from koha repo? not koha-staging? 13:13 cait ah mtj *hands over* 13:13 magnuse mtj: yeah 13:14 magnuse mtj: deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha 22.05 main 13:14 magnuse ...is what is in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 13:20 mtj ok ta 13:23 pastebot "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "More details about "missing" Search::Elasticsearch" (36 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14436 13:23 magnuse mtj: ^ 13:27 mtj magnuse: ill push up the 6.80 package, just testing.. 13:28 mtj its related to bug 25669 13:28 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25669 normal, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, Needs documenting , ElasticSearch 6: [types removal] Specifying types in put mapping requests is deprecated (incompatible with 7) 13:29 mtj patch was pushed, but ES package wasnt updated from 6.00 to 6.80 13:39 magnuse mtj: still getting "Candidate: 6.00-1" from apt-cache cpolicy? 13:39 magnuse (after apt-get update) 13:40 magnuse ah, you didn't push yet :-) 13:40 magnuse sorry, i gotta run, will try again tomorrow 13:40 magnuse mtj++ 13:42 mtj magnuse: youy can grab v6.81 from here, and install manually... 13:42 mtj https://debian.koha-community.org/koha-staging/pool/main/libs/libsearch-elasticsearch-perl/ 13:42 mtj ill wait for tests to finish before i push 13:43 mtj https://debian.koha-community.org/koha-staging/pool/main/libs/libsearch-elasticsearch-perl/libsearch-elasticsearch-perl_6.81-1-koha1_all.deb 13:59 thd tcohen: Are you around? 14:05 tuxayo He 14:05 tuxayo Hi 14:05 ashimema hola 14:06 ashimema ooh.. is there a meeting any minute? 14:06 ashimema yes.. 14:06 ashimema I'll send my apologies now.. gotta go on the school run unexpectedly as the other half is running late. 14:06 ashimema bbiab 14:07 cait oh meeting time 14:07 jajm cait: i think i won't submit another patch today for bug 30952, so if you want to reset your sandbox, it's a good time to do so ;) 14:07 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , New design for staff interface 14:08 cait jajm: I can't spedn more time today - but can try to come back to it tomorrow 14:08 cait tuxayo: are you chariing? 14:09 cait anyone around for ht emeeting? 14:10 thd Yes 14:10 paulderscheid[m] o/ 14:10 thd Not awake but around. 14:11 cait I can try chairing, give me another minute 14:11 cait #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 September 2022 14:11 huginn` Meeting started Wed Sep 14 14:11:54 2022 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:11 huginn` Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:11 huginn` The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_september_2022' 14:11 tuxayo Sorry, a bit late to open everyhting. 14:11 tuxayo cait: yes 14:12 cait #topic Introductions 14:12 cait #chair tuxayo 14:12 huginn` Current chairs: cait tuxayo 14:12 cait Please introduce yourself using #info 14:12 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 14:12 cait want to take over tuxayo? 14:12 paulderscheid[m] #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Munich, Germany 14:12 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 14:12 tuxayo If you want to have a chillier meeting, I can : 14:12 tuxayo * :) 14:13 tuxayo #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_September_2022 Today's agenda 14:13 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 14:13 cait we can work together :) 14:13 tuxayo ↑↑ agenda just updated so reload if you had it 14:13 * ashimema is on the school run so excuse the mobile typos 14:13 tuxayo ok cait :) 14:13 cait qa_team 14:14 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Limited, France 14:14 cait hm wahanui? 14:14 wahanui i am a conch 14:14 tuxayo rmaints? 14:14 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 14:14 cait qa_team? 14:14 wahanui i heard qa_team was cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook 14:14 tuxayo qa_team? 14:14 wahanui i guess qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook 14:14 cait maybe anoter minute 14:14 mtj hi folks, im about-ish 14:15 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions 14:15 cait moving on.... :) 14:15 mtj hi thd, perhaps we can chat about wiki stuff after meeting? 14:15 cait #topic Announcements 14:15 thd yes mtj 14:15 liliputech #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France 14:15 tuxayo Anything to announce that doesn't fit more the other topics? 14:15 cait #info KohaCon next week! If you are attending, feel free to add yourself to arrivals and departures on the wiki: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon22_Social 14:16 cait #link https://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon22/ KohaCon22 website - presentations will also be streamed to YouTube 14:16 cait #info National Library of Finland to host KohaCon23 in Helsinki, Finland! 14:16 cait anyone else? :) 14:16 tuxayo :D 14:17 cait tuxayo: shall we move on? 14:17 tuxayo k 14:18 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (22.11) 14:18 cait tcohen: around? 14:18 tuxayo Let's bring back of the topic later if they show up 14:18 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 14:18 cait yep 14:18 tuxayo rmaints? 14:18 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 14:18 cait i think I have seen tuxayo ... 14:19 tuxayo ^^ 14:19 tuxayo Need some catch up for oldoldstable/21.05.x. 14:19 tuxayo Otherwise, nothing much to say. 14:20 cait liliputech? 14:20 wahanui somebody said liliputech was not around - so I think we'll postpone that one again 14:20 cait forget liliputech 14:20 wahanui cait: I forgot liliputech 14:20 cait move on? 14:20 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team 14:20 tuxayo qa_team? 14:20 wahanui qa_team is probably cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook 14:20 cait Riiiiight, that's me :) 14:20 cait (and more) 14:21 cait #info QAM is looking for some topic expert for LDAP - we got about 4 bugs waiting both queues since forever and I am calling for help! 14:22 tuxayo Patch testing session with french speakers last week had okay results compared to the time spend. Let's see how it goes with english speakers. 14:22 ashimema Are those ones I've already touched? 14:22 ashimema Have a feeling they are 14:22 cait #info QA Team is down another person with kohaputti leaving - thanks a lot for everything! You'll be missed! 14:22 ashimema Glad your patch testing sessions are going well tuyaxo 14:23 tuxayo #info monday 26th, patch testing session: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2022-September/058422.html 14:23 cait LDAP patches are specifically bug 30646, bug 17215, bug 29930 and bug 11808 14:23 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Add option to send WELCOME notice for new patrons added at first login via LDAP/SAML 14:23 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, janik.hilser, BLOCKED , Cardnumbers of patrons created using LDAP Replication not using autoMemberNum if configured 14:23 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29930 normal, P5 - low, ---, janik.hilser, Needs Signoff , Auth with LDAP: Update tag leads to unwanted updates 14:23 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11808 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Needs Signoff , When searching for a cardnumber in the intranet, also try to search for it on the LDAP server if one is configured and add/update user 14:24 cait tuxayo: do you want to info something about your patch testing session? 14:24 tuxayo I infoed the next one 14:24 tuxayo So it's okay 14:24 cait ah missed that in the bug noise 14:24 cait in other news... QA team please QA and testers please test :) 14:24 cait move on? 14:25 tuxayo #topic Status of roadmap projects 14:25 cait do you have the link by chance? 14:25 tuxayo #info https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap 14:25 cait perfect 14:25 tcohen hi all 14:25 cait you are jsut on time 14:25 tuxayo thd, tcohen , mtj, anothing about the wiki migration 14:25 cait roadmap update? :) 14:26 cait yes, maybe start with wiki migration 14:26 thd I fixed a bug for generating the postmigration database. 14:26 thd I fixed a bug for generating the postupdate database. 14:27 mtj i have been AWOL for a bit re: wiki stuff, will have a catchup with thd 14:27 tcohen I'm catching up with things after being absent-ish last week 14:27 cait is it a matter of finding another date now? 14:28 cait I am keen to start properly categorizing wiki pages once we got the new editor for it :) 14:28 tcohen thd provided an export of the migrated data, which he also fixed yesterday 14:28 * ashimema had totally failed at working on roadmap as a priority this cycle 14:28 mtj thd++ 14:28 tcohen the plan is to load it in https://wiki.test.koha-community.org 14:28 tcohen ASAP 14:28 ashimema Excellent 14:28 wahanui darn tootin' it is. 14:29 * tcohen is opening the roadmap, sorry 14:29 tcohen OK, yeah 14:29 cait we have a bunch on the actions from last meeting today - maybe only touch those that have news 14:29 thd I have also been testing MediaWiki Canasta Docker container but do not have sufficient experience working with Docker containers. 14:30 ashimema +1 14:30 tcohen * Task queue 14:30 cait #info Wiki update is to continue ASAP - thd fixed another error and we hope for news very soon 14:31 tcohen We've made good progress here. The important stuff has moved, adding an API for displaying jobs info is NQA 14:31 tcohen moving stage MARC import into the task queue is PQA, we are doing great 14:31 thd The bug fix was a newly introduced bug and trivial for moving some code a few lines. 14:32 cait #info Staff interface redesign (bug 30952) is being worked on intensely. You can use patches on bug to set up a sandbox, issues for the branch are tracked on github: https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues (lots of screenshots to see) 14:32 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , New design for staff interface 14:32 tcohen About the ERM and Vue, I've asked Agustin to look at the Vue integration done on that development. Any other Vue expert please take a look 14:32 cait #info Task queue: is moving along: API for jobs info is NQA, moving MARC import is PQA 14:32 tcohen C4::Biblio and C4::Items refactoring has moved steadily 14:33 tcohen lots of things already in master and old code removed 14:33 cait #info ERM Any Vue experts: Please have a look at the ERM development 14:33 tcohen CSRF prevention: we should do a 'CSRF day' in which we all chat about it, test it to make sure all is covered, and push it 14:34 cait #info Rewrite of C4::Biblio and C4::Items is progressing with some bigger patches pushed lately 14:34 cait do you want me to action you for calling that day? 14:34 cait :) 14:34 tcohen ok 14:34 ashimema ++ 14:34 tcohen ashimema: anything to say about availability/policy in the Koha::* namespace 14:34 cait #action tcohen to schedule/call a "CSRF day" to work on related patches together 14:35 ashimema I need to get back on to it.. made lots of progress then went on vacation ;) 14:36 tcohen Not on the roadmap, but OAuth2/OIDC can already be tested, though it has on UI and the oauth providers need to be configured using the API <.< 14:36 tcohen https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/commits/oauth_client 14:36 tcohen working on the login form right now 14:36 cait maybe also note ont he bug? 14:36 cait I had been asked about that one :) 14:36 tcohen That branch is not expected to be polished :-D 14:36 tcohen ok, I will 14:36 cait thx 14:36 cait tcohen++ 14:37 tcohen wow, time flies! 14:37 ashimema I've reviewed that one and it's all pretty solid looking to me 14:37 cait #info OAuth2/OIDC work is progressing, see https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/commits/oauth_client 14:37 ashimema Will be much easier to fully reviews once we have a simple configuration ui 14:37 tcohen absolutely, it should be submitted by the end of the week 14:37 cait great news overall! 14:37 cait team++ 14:37 ashimema Awesome 14:38 cait ready to move on? 14:38 tcohen that's all, thanks everyone for the great submissions 14:38 cait #topic Actions from last meeting 14:38 tcohen also 14:38 cait ups 14:38 tcohen joonas++ 14:39 ashimema joonas++ 14:39 tuxayo joonas++ 14:39 cait joonas++ 14:39 tuxayo «ashimema needs to remove an introduced warning on bug 28854 tests (or test for its existence) » 14:39 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28854 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Add ability to create bundles of items for circulation 14:40 cait RESOLVED fixed... done? 14:40 ashimema I think I did that one 14:40 tuxayo "introduced warning" 14:40 ashimema Yup 14:40 tuxayo So it need a followup? 14:40 ashimema Done 14:40 cait follow-up pushed to master 14:40 tuxayo ok 14:40 cait next: liliputech (deferred from previous meetingx2) discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. 14:41 tuxayo #action liliputech (deferred from previous meetingx3) discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. 14:41 tuxayo @later tell liliputech any news about that? http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-09-14#i_2450094 14:41 huginn` tuxayo: The operation succeeded. 14:41 tuxayo next: «Katrin to update LTS wiki page with current information from last dev meeting» 14:42 cait I am sorry, I missed doing that 14:43 cait @action cait to update LTS wiki page 14:43 huginn` cait: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 14:43 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`. 14:43 tuxayo #action Katrin to update LTS wiki page with current information from last dev meeting 14:43 cait ah right 14:43 tuxayo next: «tcohen will make a counter proposal about public_read_list() » 14:43 cait do we have a bug number for that one? 14:44 tcohen I will go with Martin's idea of making it raise an exception 14:44 tcohen consider the action ended 14:44 ashimema I can't remember what we discussed around it.. oops 14:44 cait ashimema will file a bug making Koha::Object::public_read_list throw an exception 14:44 tuxayo ok 14:44 ashimema But happy to submit making it their an exception 14:45 ashimema Will do once gone from school run 14:45 cait rename the master branch to 'main' 14:45 cait I think this could have been a topic actually 14:45 tuxayo yes it is 14:45 cait hm we do have it int he next section too 14:45 cait ok, so maybe we move? 14:45 tuxayo I forgot to move it 14:46 tuxayo I moved it 5 min ago so juste refresh 14:46 cait #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 14:46 tuxayo #action ashimema will file a bug making Koha::Object::public_read_list throw an exception 14:46 tuxayo «Renaming "master" branch. To "main" for example» 14:46 cait Rename "master" branch - suggestion: main 14:46 cait heh 14:46 * tcohen likes 14:46 cait I thnk if we do it, maybe at the beginning of the cycle 14:47 mtj i bumped into a security bug recently, will log a bug 14:47 cait it might need quite a lot of changes in scripts etc so better to do that early cycle 14:47 tuxayo main gets the most support. Catalyst uses that since a 1year+ and no confusion issue in day to day usage. 14:47 cait I also liked dev or development as a suggestion 14:48 cait because it eplains a bit better - but was told main was some kind of new standard? 14:48 ashimema main is good.. 14:48 ashimema Mmm 14:48 mtj #info im working on a wiki doc to fix API proiblems, will upload today 14:48 cait mtj++ 14:48 cait will be so happy to have something to point people to :) 14:48 tuxayo «main was some kind of new standard?» 14:48 tuxayo Indeed 14:48 ashimema Dev is also fine with me 14:49 ashimema I find both main and trunk a little ambiguous 14:49 ashimema But most Devs will understand without any explanting 14:49 tcohen it's Gitlab's default 14:49 ashimema Expplanation 14:50 mtj 'main' does seem to be a newish popular choice, so... im happy with that :) 14:51 cait I am ok with it too 14:51 cait what i'd like is make sure we have all things working still... 14:51 cait like have some easy to go instructions for people like me what to change on local repos etc. :) 14:52 tuxayo Is main okay enough to go with it or does someone feel like doing a poll between that and the other choices? 14:52 ashimema Worth a global search on master in the wiki 14:52 mtj #info i'll aim to chat to arthur about the koha CI stuff on AFI 14:53 ashimema I'd just go for it 14:53 cait I am not sure what all is involved and how much this woudl disrupt workflows - so happy to just follow someone taking the lead really 14:54 tcohen what would be the benefits compared to using Gitlab.com 14:54 cait happy to help with wiki changes when triggered to do so 14:54 tcohen is a good question 14:54 tuxayo So #agree about renaming "master" to "main"? 14:54 cait tcohen: isn't that a different topic? 14:55 tcohen about mtj's comment, sorry 14:55 cait oh right 14:55 tcohen let's make a vote please 14:55 cait tuxayo: yo or me? 14:55 tuxayo ok 14:55 cait you :) 14:57 tuxayo #startvote Renaming master branch to main? Yes, No, Another name would be way better, Asbtain 14:57 huginn` Begin voting on: Renaming master branch to main? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Another, name, would, be, way, better, Asbtain. 14:57 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:57 tuxayo oh no 14:57 tuxayo #endvote 14:57 huginn` Voted on "Renaming master branch to main?" Results are 14:57 cait the typo in abstain? 14:58 tuxayo #startvote Renaming master branch to main? Yes, No, Another_name_would_be_way_better, Abstain 14:58 huginn` Begin voting on: Renaming master branch to main? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Another_name_would_be_way_better, Abstain. 14:58 huginn` Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. 14:58 tuxayo Thanks cait 14:58 tuxayo #vote yes 14:58 cait #vote Yes 14:58 tcohen #vote Yes 14:58 thd #vote Yes 14:59 ashimema #vote Yes 15:00 cait tuxayo: got to step out for a moment 15:00 tuxayo k 15:00 tuxayo last seconds to vote 15:01 tcohen bag, kidclamp, khall, lukeg 15:02 oleonard #vote Yes 15:03 cait end vote? 15:03 tuxayo #endvote 15:03 huginn` Voted on "Renaming master branch to main?" Results are 15:03 huginn` Yes (6): cait, oleonard, ashimema, tuxayo, tcohen, thd 15:04 cait we do have quite a bit more topics but are over time already 15:04 tuxayo Last minute call to some people made me wait a bit :) 15:04 cait coudl those be postponed or is there something that needs resolving urgently? 15:04 tuxayo «how much this woudl disrupt workflows» 15:04 tuxayo My guess is likely not much after fixing all CI jobs. Locally it's about reminding to checkout main instead of master and deleting the local master. Which might cause some submission of patches that don't apply due to people not knowing/forgetting the change. The RMaint scripts should be ok. 15:04 mtj tcohen: re gitlab versus self-hosted - im not too sure of differences 15:04 cait my muscle memory will make this terrible for a whiel :) 15:05 cait (remembering to checkout main) 15:05 tuxayo #agreed Renaming master branch to main 15:05 cait so about the next topics? 15:05 tuxayo Who to volunteer to coordinate the change? 15:05 cait aah right! 15:06 cait who is taking the hat? 15:06 mtj tcohen: gitlab may allow us to use more 'runners', but we might hit limitations with gitlab too 15:06 tcohen I'm doing it 15:06 mtj tcohen++ 15:06 tuxayo tcohen++ 15:07 tuxayo tcohen: action for next meeting to have a date for the switch and list of stuff to change on that moment? 15:07 tcohen yes 15:08 tuxayo #action tcohen Date proposal for master→main change and draft of action list 15:09 tuxayo last topic about the CI stuff and we postpone reste? 15:09 cait sounds good to me 15:09 cait unless ES7 is a simple yes or no :) 15:09 mtj no :) 15:10 tuxayo It's about calling for volunteer to use it in production 15:10 tuxayo «what would be the benefits compared to using Gitlab.com» 15:10 tuxayo This dates from the time it was uncertain for Gitlab.com 15:11 tuxayo If people are motivated switch to community hosted, why not. 15:11 mtj #info i think we should aim to have koha 22.11 with ES7, running on deb11 and higher 15:12 tcohen +1 15:12 cait mtj: can you outline what is missing to achieve that? 15:13 mtj cait: all tests are passing now, so just updating doco and announcements 15:14 tuxayo I recall it was mentioned for ES 7 (and OpenSearch also I guess): A few instances using it in production to confirm nothing major is wrong. 15:14 tcohen I've gotta leave to take kids to school. Just a last comment: I'm favor of completely deprecating a distro support for new releases if not doing so would drain our energies 15:15 tcohen *an old distro version support* 15:15 mtj perhaps we suggest ES6 on koha-22.05 with deb10 15:15 cait we found bug 31471 testing package installation and kohadevbox - not sure if it relates to version, but seemed a good time to get some attention :) 15:15 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31471 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check in cataloguing doesn't work with Elasticsearch 15:16 mtj ...and we suggest ES7 on koha-22.11 with deb11 15:16 cait is there something we should #info? 15:16 cait bit lost on this topic 15:17 tuxayo mtj: I'm not sure there is that much choice for a lot of implementer that it's useful to suggest a precise conbination. 15:17 tuxayo «is there something we should #info» 15:17 tuxayo Not yet, it's still unclear 15:18 mtj #info perhaps we suggest ES6 on koha-22.05 with deb10, and ES7 on koha-22.11 with deb11 15:18 tuxayo «we suggest ES6 on koha-22.05 with deb10» 15:18 tuxayo ES 6 should be discouraged for all supported branches as soon as we announce ES 7 I think. Because ES 6 is not maintained since more than a year I think? 15:20 tuxayo 2022-02-10 actually 15:20 mtj #info good news is we do have ES7 tests passing on 22.05 and 21.11 15:21 ashimema dare I raise it.. but would switching from master to main also serve as a good juncture to finally carry out the repository split we've been considering for years 15:21 tuxayo And down to 21.05 15:21 tuxayo ashimema: It doesn't look like it would help. Not much has to be done locally by people having repos. 15:23 tcohen ashimema: just got back upstairs with that thought LOL 15:23 tuxayo mtj: Is that ok we aim to advertise ES7 for 22.11 release (and one all branches) and do it sooner if we get real world feedback. 15:23 ashimema great minds 15:24 * tcohen goes back downstairs 15:24 tuxayo So that people that will stay stuck on 21.05 know that ES7 is supported in case of new ES security release. 15:25 mtj tuxayo: sounds like a good plan to me 15:26 tuxayo #info Advertise support for ES7 for all branches on 22.11 release. Or sooner if ES7 real world feedback is enough in the meantime. 15:26 tuxayo ES7 topic closed 15:26 cait ok 15:26 tuxayo CI seems also 15:26 cait postpone mysql? 15:26 tuxayo Yes, postpone all the rest 15:27 cait ok :) 15:27 tuxayo I'll do it 15:27 tuxayo #action tuxayo postpone « Are we supporting MySQL? (either 5.7 or 8.0) - CI only tests MySQL 8 on main/master. » 15:27 cait we shold also check if the calendar has updated after the meeting script has been run 15:27 cait tuxayo++ 15:27 tuxayo #action tuxayo postpone « SQL8 of our coding guidelines state that SQL should not be in .pl, but should be in the module in C4 or Koha. This would mean that SQL in the Koha namespace is allowed and there is no mention of DBIC in the coding guidelines right now. » 15:28 mtj tuxayo: i think tcohen said mysql 5.x has some nasty autoincrement problems 15:28 tuxayo #action tuxayo postpone «Update guidelines with the replacement of jQueryUI Datepicker with flatpickr - introduced in bug 29239. And document the usage in the wiki» 15:28 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Replace jQueryUI's timepicker with flatpickr 15:28 tuxayo mtj: too late :P 15:28 cait #topic Set time of next meeting 15:29 cait 2 weeks wednesday? 15:29 tuxayo «we shold also check if the calendar has updated after the meeting script has been run» 15:29 tuxayo I think David N had to update the calendar manually 15:29 cait 28 September 2022 15:29 cait yeah, different people running the script had issues with it lately 15:29 tuxayo When is KohaCon again? 15:29 cait next week 15:29 wahanui next week is unknown for me. 15:30 cait so that woudl be after 15:30 tuxayo Ok 28 September then 15:30 tuxayo Let me check the last meeting 15:30 cait wahanui: feeling the same way 15:30 wahanui cait: i'm not following you... 15:30 cait the problem is, if the meeting script doesn't finish, the wiki is not updated witht he meeting minutes either 15:31 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 28 September 2022, 21 UTC 15:31 tuxayo Wait before ending 15:31 tuxayo Next meeting at this timeframe 12 october 14 UTC? (same hour) 15:33 tuxayo Let's go with it for now 15:33 tuxayo #info Next Americas-Europe slot meeting: 12 October 2022, 14 UTC 15:33 tuxayo #endmeeting 15:33 huginn` Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 15:33:25 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:33 huginn` Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_14_september_2022.2022-09-14-14.11.html 15:33 huginn` Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_14_september_2022.2022-09-14-14.11.txt 15:33 huginn` Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_14_september_2022.2022-09-14-14.11.log.html 15:33 cait hm hope that works in the format 15:33 tuxayo Thanks all for attending 15:33 tuxayo cait++ thanks for co chairing 15:33 cait yep thanks for attending :) 15:34 cait tcohen: can you run meeting script? 15:34 tuxayo «hm hope that works in the format» 15:34 tuxayo The goal is to find it next meeting easily in the logs just to copy paste. 15:34 tuxayo Not for it to be parsed. 15:35 tuxayo Maybe that breaks stuff? ^^" 15:35 cait it does get parsed too :) 15:35 cait by the meetings script to create the new wiki page 15:36 tuxayo mtj: 5.7 there is still 1 year of upstream support but if no one asks for it we can not support it and even discourage it due to autoincrement issues. 15:37 tuxayo «it does get parsed too :)» 15:37 tuxayo Ho this is bad, ok I'll use ##action to still have it but to not mess thing 15:39 reiveune bye 15:51 cait bye all! 16:37 oleonard Sorry for missing 99% of the meeting, folks, pretty distracted here today 17:38 wajasu nice democratic voting. rename master to main. just don't rename it ever again. i'm getting to old to have the rug pulled out from under me when I get to each repo to develop. 17:39 wajasu i did find a nice article that you can configure in yout git config what that master/main is called. 18:25 thd tcohen: This morning as the meeting was ending I discovered that while Canasta may have automatically set 'db' for a newly created database name it used mediawiki as a database name restored from a dump. The database connection problem which I had last night was for wrong database name. 19:00 tuxayo lukeg around? 22:04 thd tcohen: ElasticSearch indexing for the Wiki worked using 1 GB of RAM and reindexed the wiki in less than 5 min. inside the Canasta Docker container.