Time  Nick             Message
02:16 dcook            ORMs... arggggh
02:25 dcook            But also how we use it...
06:01 alex_            Bonjour
06:01 wahanui          what's up, alex_
07:00 cait             good morning #koha!
07:07 fridolin         yellowwwww
07:08 * dcook          waves
07:08 dcook            I hope everyone has a better Koha day than I did heh
07:13 cait             fridolin: violet!
07:25 fridolin         ^^
07:36 cait             jajm: back on the redesign for a bit now
07:36 cait             If someone wants to join: https://staff-gui.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl
07:38 jajm             cait: i'm about to push a new patch for the header search bar
07:39 jajm             done
07:40 cait             i'll look at the other things first, just started
07:40 cait             i like the new sidebar look
07:40 cait             https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues/30
07:44 cait             jajm: is there something I could do to make your life easier to see which tested ok? so far I comment, because I can't change the labels I thnk
07:49 paulderscheid[m] morning #koha
07:49 cait             good morning paulderscheid[m] :)
07:58 jajm             cait: i'll look at github settings to see what i can allow people to do, but a comment is enough i think
07:59 cait             ok, happy to do that, just wanted to check with you what you'd prefer
08:45 ashimema         +1
08:53 cait             jajm: does it makes sense to reset the sandbox now for the search bars?
08:56 jajm             cait: i think so
08:56 cait             ok, on it
09:12 cait             jajm: maybe we shoudl also do a test of the search bar with an RTL script (Arabic or Hebrew) ?
09:13 cait             i can't install those from the action menu in the sandbox
09:13 ashimema         that's a good call cait
09:13 ashimema         We should add an RTL lang to the sandbox options..
09:13 cait             also... mobile - I believe hte last iteration has an issue with small screens (maybe before too)
09:15 jajm             just tried with ar-Arab... it's completely broken of course :)
09:15 cait             no super good news for small screens either
09:15 cait             adding screenshots right now
09:17 ashimema         is 'ar-Arab' a good one to have as an option on the sandboxes cait?
09:17 ashimema         or would Hebrew be better?
09:18 ashimema         or both I suppose..
09:18 ashimema         it's a simple template change to add support
09:18 cait             i think ar-Arab is the more complete one
09:18 cait             at least it used to be a while ago
09:18 cait             so we might get more 'effect'
09:19 cait             while you are on it... maybe ukrainian?
09:19 cait             that would also be interesting for the diacritics and script
09:19 ashimema         whats the code for ukrainian?
09:19 cait             uk
09:20 cait             in pootle... not sure about koha sec
09:20 cait             uk-UA
09:20 ashimema         ta
09:34 cait             someone ideas about a 500 error on returning items?
09:43 saa              after upgrading my koha from 19.05 to 21.11 I am unable to issue return and my intranet error log shows error AH01215: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 784.: /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/errors/500.pl I  am unable to see my libraries name under libraries in global system preferences
09:43 saa              can someone help to sort out this error
09:50 saa              [cgi:error] [pid 6606] [client 172.16.3.14:56574] AH01215: Argument "" isn't numeric in numeric gt (>) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/categories.tt line 631
09:50 saa              can someone help
09:50 saa              i am getting this error
09:56 saa              after upgrading i am unable to see libraries name how to sort out this error
09:57 saa              can someone help
10:10 cait             bbiab
10:10 cait             saa:  tat's only a warning - your error shoudl be elsewhere
10:11 cait             you have a problem with the API
10:11 cait             that#s what the missing library list points to
10:12 cait             ok then
10:16 saa              cait can u help me to sort out issue of API
10:16 saa              can u help me
10:16 saa              i am unable to see my library name
10:16 saa              in my kohaadmin page
10:22 saa              cait why cannot i see my library name on my kohaadmin page
10:27 saa              i would greatly appreciate your help
10:35 cait             tehre have been several mails on the mailng ist about this
10:35 cait             i think a held back pacakge is the issue most of the time
10:36 cait             mtj still awake amybe?
10:36 cait             check this thread here maybe: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29964
10:36 huginn`          Bug 29964: normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SMTP server list not populating
10:37 cait             it's abut SMTP serves, but that's the same issue
10:42 cait             http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-08-23#i_2446340
10:43 cait             one solution is also outlined here: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2022-June/057978.html
10:45 cait             hi oleonard :)
10:46 oleonard         o/
11:30 cait             jajm: taking a break... giving others a chance to comment
11:38 mtj              hi cait, i will write that API troubleshooting guide now...
11:39 oleonard         jajm: I still like the original design with centered table headers and columns but it only works if you can designate certain individual columns as being left-aligned. https://snipboard.io/X9l2hN.jpg
11:42 oleonard         The new search bar design works better to accommodate multiple fields but it's still unusable if you have both IntranetAddMastheadLibraryPulldown and IntranetCatalogSearchPulldown enabled (and your browser isn't maximized)
11:48 jajm             should we move all secondary inputs into the "extra" filters area then ?
11:49 cait             mtj: you'd do me a great favor
12:03 tcohen           hola #koha
12:26 tcohen           hola mtj cait
12:29 mtj              hola tcohen 🐷
12:33 cait             jajm: i think the extra filters is good
12:33 cait             jajm: the idea to move there...
13:03 liliputech       hi koha!
13:03 wahanui          hi koha! is probably there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) ?
13:05 cait             hi liliputech
13:07 cait             new stange thing... pull downs on advanced search, my coworkers swear it#s a different font?
13:07 magnuse          huh, trying to install 22.05 with debian packages on ubuntu 20.04. the webinstaller says i have no Search::Elasticsearch and need "Minimum version: 6.80". apt-cache policy says i have 6.00-1 of libsearch-elasticsearch-perl. what am i missing? mtj?
13:07 magnuse          hiya liliputech
13:08 cait             hm isn't 6.0 lower than 6.8?
13:09 mtj              magnuse: hiya.. 1 tic
13:09 magnuse          cait: i would think so
13:13 cait             but then the warning is right, isnt't it?
13:13 cait             and I think you got to install elastic seaparate from Koha as it's not mandatory yet?
13:13 mtj              magnuse: you are installing from koha repo? not koha-staging?
13:13 cait             ah mtj *hands over*
13:13 magnuse          mtj: yeah
13:14 magnuse          mtj: deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha 22.05 main
13:14 magnuse          ...is what is in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
13:20 mtj              ok ta
13:23 pastebot         "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "More details about "missing" Search::Elasticsearch" (36 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/14436
13:23 magnuse          mtj: ^
13:27 mtj              magnuse: ill push up the 6.80 package, just testing..
13:28 mtj              its related to bug 25669
13:28 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25669 normal, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, Needs documenting , ElasticSearch 6: [types removal] Specifying types in put mapping requests is deprecated (incompatible with 7)
13:29 mtj              patch was pushed, but ES package wasnt updated from 6.00 to 6.80
13:39 magnuse          mtj: still getting "Candidate: 6.00-1" from apt-cache cpolicy?
13:39 magnuse          (after apt-get update)
13:40 magnuse          ah, you didn't push yet :-)
13:40 magnuse          sorry, i gotta run, will try again tomorrow
13:40 magnuse          mtj++
13:42 mtj              magnuse: youy can grab v6.81 from here, and install manually...
13:42 mtj              https://debian.koha-community.org/koha-staging/pool/main/libs/libsearch-elasticsearch-perl/
13:42 mtj              ill wait for tests to finish before i push
13:43 mtj              https://debian.koha-community.org/koha-staging/pool/main/libs/libsearch-elasticsearch-perl/libsearch-elasticsearch-perl_6.81-1-koha1_all.deb
13:59 thd              tcohen: Are you around?
14:05 tuxayo           He
14:05 tuxayo           Hi
14:05 ashimema         hola
14:06 ashimema         ooh.. is there a meeting any minute?
14:06 ashimema         yes..
14:06 ashimema         I'll send my apologies now.. gotta go on the school run unexpectedly as the other half is running late.
14:06 ashimema         bbiab
14:07 cait             oh meeting time
14:07 jajm             cait: i think i won't submit another patch today for bug 30952, so if you want to reset your sandbox, it's a good time to do so ;)
14:07 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , New design for staff interface
14:08 cait             jajm: I can't spedn more time today - but can try to come back to it tomorrow
14:08 cait             tuxayo: are you chariing?
14:09 cait             anyone around for ht emeeting?
14:10 thd              Yes
14:10 paulderscheid[m] o/
14:10 thd              Not awake but around.
14:11 cait             I can try chairing, give me another minute
14:11 cait             #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 14 September 2022
14:11 huginn`          Meeting started Wed Sep 14 14:11:54 2022 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:11 huginn`          Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:11 huginn`          The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_14_september_2022'
14:11 tuxayo           Sorry, a bit late to open everyhting.
14:11 tuxayo           cait: yes
14:12 cait             #topic Introductions
14:12 cait             #chair tuxayo
14:12 huginn`          Current chairs: cait tuxayo
14:12 cait             Please introduce yourself using #info
14:12 cait             #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:12 cait             want to take over tuxayo?
14:12 paulderscheid[m] #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Munich, Germany
14:12 thd              #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:12 tuxayo           If you want to have a chillier meeting, I can :
14:12 tuxayo           * :)
14:13 tuxayo           #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_14_September_2022 Today's agenda
14:13 ashimema         #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
14:13 cait             we can work together :)
14:13 tuxayo           ↑↑ agenda just updated so reload if you had it
14:13 * ashimema       is on the school run so excuse the mobile typos
14:13 tuxayo           ok cait :)
14:13 cait             qa_team
14:14 tuxayo           #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Limited, France
14:14 cait             hm wahanui?
14:14 wahanui          i am a conch
14:14 tuxayo           rmaints?
14:14 wahanui          rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo
14:14 cait             qa_team?
14:14 wahanui          i heard qa_team was cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook
14:14 tuxayo           qa_team?
14:14 wahanui          i guess qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook
14:14 cait             maybe anoter minute
14:14 mtj              hi folks, im about-ish
14:15 kidclamp         #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:15 cait             moving on.... :)
14:15 mtj              hi thd, perhaps we can chat about wiki stuff after meeting?
14:15 cait             #topic Announcements
14:15 thd              yes mtj
14:15 liliputech       #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France
14:15 tuxayo           Anything to announce that doesn't fit more the other topics?
14:15 cait             #info KohaCon next week! If you are attending, feel free to add yourself to arrivals and departures on the wiki: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon22_Social
14:16 cait             #link https://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon22/ KohaCon22 website - presentations will also be streamed to YouTube
14:16 cait             #info National Library of Finland to host KohaCon23 in Helsinki, Finland!
14:16 cait             anyone else? :)
14:16 tuxayo           :D
14:17 cait             tuxayo: shall we move on?
14:17 tuxayo           k
14:18 tuxayo           #topic  Update from the Release manager (22.11)
14:18 cait             tcohen: around?
14:18 tuxayo           Let's bring back of the topic later if they show up
14:18 tuxayo           #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:18 cait             yep
14:18 tuxayo           rmaints?
14:18 wahanui          rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo
14:18 cait             i think I have seen tuxayo ...
14:19 tuxayo           ^^
14:19 tuxayo           Need some catch up for oldoldstable/21.05.x.
14:19 tuxayo           Otherwise, nothing much to say.
14:20 cait             liliputech?
14:20 wahanui          somebody said liliputech was not around - so I think we'll postpone that one again
14:20 cait             forget liliputech
14:20 wahanui          cait: I forgot liliputech
14:20 cait             move on?
14:20 tuxayo           #topic Updates from the QA team
14:20 tuxayo           qa_team?
14:20 wahanui          qa_team is probably cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova, Joubu and dcook
14:20 cait             Riiiiight, that's me :)
14:20 cait             (and more)
14:21 cait             #info QAM is looking for some topic expert for LDAP - we got about 4 bugs waiting both queues since forever and I am calling for help!
14:22 tuxayo           Patch testing session with french speakers last week had okay results compared to the time spend. Let's see how it goes with english speakers.
14:22 ashimema         Are those ones I've already touched?
14:22 ashimema         Have a feeling they are
14:22 cait             #info QA Team is down another person with kohaputti leaving - thanks a lot for everything! You'll be missed!
14:22 ashimema         Glad your patch testing sessions are going well tuyaxo
14:23 tuxayo           #info monday 26th, patch testing session: https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2022-September/058422.html
14:23 cait             LDAP patches are specifically bug 30646, bug 17215, bug 29930 and bug 11808
14:23 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30646 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Add option to send WELCOME notice for new patrons added at first login via LDAP/SAML
14:23 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, janik.hilser, BLOCKED , Cardnumbers of patrons created using LDAP Replication not using autoMemberNum if configured
14:23 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29930 normal, P5 - low, ---, janik.hilser, Needs Signoff , Auth with LDAP: Update tag leads to unwanted updates
14:23 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=11808 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Needs Signoff , When searching for a cardnumber in the intranet, also try to search for it on the LDAP server if one is configured and add/update user
14:24 cait             tuxayo: do you want to info something about your patch testing session?
14:24 tuxayo           I infoed the next one
14:24 tuxayo           So it's okay
14:24 cait             ah missed that in the bug noise
14:24 cait             in other news... QA team please QA and testers please test :)
14:24 cait             move on?
14:25 tuxayo           #topic Status of roadmap projects
14:25 cait             do you have the link by chance?
14:25 tuxayo           #info https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap
14:25 cait             perfect
14:25 tcohen           hi all
14:25 cait             you are jsut on time
14:25 tuxayo           thd, tcohen , mtj, anothing about the wiki migration
14:25 cait             roadmap update? :)
14:26 cait             yes, maybe start with wiki migration
14:26 thd              I fixed a bug for generating the postmigration database.
14:26 thd              I fixed a bug for generating the postupdate database.
14:27 mtj              i have been AWOL for a bit re: wiki stuff, will have a catchup with thd
14:27 tcohen           I'm catching up with things after being absent-ish last week
14:27 cait             is it a matter of finding another date now?
14:28 cait             I am keen to start properly categorizing wiki pages once we got the new editor for it :)
14:28 tcohen           thd provided an export of the migrated data, which he also fixed yesterday
14:28 * ashimema       had totally failed at working on roadmap as a priority this cycle
14:28 mtj              thd++
14:28 tcohen           the plan is to load it in https://wiki.test.koha-community.org
14:28 tcohen           ASAP
14:28 ashimema         Excellent
14:28 wahanui          darn tootin' it is.
14:29 * tcohen         is opening the roadmap, sorry
14:29 tcohen           OK, yeah
14:29 cait             we have a bunch on the actions from last meeting today - maybe only touch those that have news
14:29 thd              I have also been testing MediaWiki Canasta Docker container but do not have sufficient experience working with Docker containers.
14:30 ashimema         +1
14:30 tcohen           * Task queue
14:30 cait             #info Wiki update is to continue ASAP - thd fixed another error and we hope for news very soon
14:31 tcohen           We've made good progress here. The important stuff has moved, adding an API for displaying jobs info is NQA
14:31 tcohen           moving stage MARC import into the task queue is PQA, we are doing great
14:31 thd              The bug fix was a newly introduced bug and trivial for moving some code a few lines.
14:32 cait             #info Staff interface redesign (bug 30952) is being worked on intensely. You can use patches on bug to set up a sandbox, issues for the branch are tracked on github: https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues (lots of screenshots to see)
14:32 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , New design for staff interface
14:32 tcohen           About the ERM and Vue, I've asked Agustin to look at the Vue integration done on that development. Any other Vue expert please take a look
14:32 cait             #info Task queue: is moving along: API for jobs info is NQA, moving MARC import is PQA
14:32 tcohen           C4::Biblio and C4::Items refactoring has moved steadily
14:33 tcohen           lots of things already in master and old code removed
14:33 cait             #info ERM Any Vue experts: Please have a look at the ERM development
14:33 tcohen           CSRF prevention: we should do a 'CSRF day' in which we all chat about it, test it to make sure all is covered, and push it
14:34 cait             #info Rewrite of C4::Biblio and C4::Items is progressing with some bigger patches pushed lately
14:34 cait             do you want me to action you for calling that day?
14:34 cait             :)
14:34 tcohen           ok
14:34 ashimema         ++
14:34 tcohen           ashimema: anything to say about availability/policy in the Koha::* namespace
14:34 cait             #action tcohen to schedule/call a "CSRF day" to work on related patches together
14:35 ashimema         I need to get back on to it.. made lots of progress then went on vacation ;)
14:36 tcohen           Not on the roadmap, but OAuth2/OIDC can already be tested, though it has on UI and the oauth providers need to be configured using the API <.<
14:36 tcohen           https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/commits/oauth_client
14:36 tcohen           working on the login form right now
14:36 cait             maybe also note ont he bug?
14:36 cait             I had been asked about that one :)
14:36 tcohen           That branch is not expected to be polished :-D
14:36 tcohen           ok, I will
14:36 cait             thx
14:36 cait             tcohen++
14:37 tcohen           wow, time flies!
14:37 ashimema         I've reviewed that one and it's all pretty solid looking to me
14:37 cait             #info OAuth2/OIDC work is progressing, see https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/Koha/-/commits/oauth_client
14:37 ashimema         Will be much easier to fully reviews once we have a simple configuration ui
14:37 tcohen           absolutely, it should be submitted by the end of the week
14:37 cait             great news overall!
14:37 cait             team++
14:37 ashimema         Awesome
14:38 cait             ready to move on?
14:38 tcohen           that's all, thanks everyone for the great submissions
14:38 cait             #topic Actions from last meeting
14:38 tcohen           also
14:38 cait             ups
14:38 tcohen           joonas++
14:39 ashimema         joonas++
14:39 tuxayo           joonas++
14:39 cait             joonas++
14:39 tuxayo           «ashimema needs to remove an introduced warning on bug 28854 tests (or test for its existence) »
14:39 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28854 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Add ability to create bundles of items for circulation
14:40 cait             RESOLVED fixed... done?
14:40 ashimema         I think I did that one
14:40 tuxayo           "introduced warning"
14:40 ashimema         Yup
14:40 tuxayo           So it need a followup?
14:40 ashimema         Done
14:40 cait             follow-up pushed to master
14:40 tuxayo           ok
14:40 cait             next: liliputech (deferred from previous meetingx2) discuss koha CI (docker  image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by  BibLibre's partner AFI.
14:41 tuxayo           #action liliputech (deferred from previous meetingx3) discuss koha CI (docker  image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by  BibLibre's partner AFI.
14:41 tuxayo           @later tell liliputech any news about that? http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2022-09-14#i_2450094
14:41 huginn`          tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
14:41 tuxayo           next: «Katrin to update LTS wiki page with current information from last dev meeting»
14:42 cait             I am sorry, I missed doing that
14:43 cait             @action cait to update LTS wiki page
14:43 huginn`          cait: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:43 wahanui          i already had it that way, huginn`.
14:43 tuxayo           #action Katrin to update LTS wiki page with current information from last dev meeting
14:43 cait             ah right
14:43 tuxayo           next: «tcohen will make a counter proposal about public_read_list() »
14:43 cait             do we have a bug number for that one?
14:44 tcohen           I will go with Martin's idea of making it raise an exception
14:44 tcohen           consider the action ended
14:44 ashimema         I can't remember what we discussed around it.. oops
14:44 cait             ashimema will file a bug making Koha::Object::public_read_list throw an exception
14:44 tuxayo           ok
14:44 ashimema         But happy to submit making it their an exception
14:45 ashimema         Will do once gone from school run
14:45 cait             rename the master branch to 'main'
14:45 cait             I think this could have been a topic actually
14:45 tuxayo           yes it is
14:45 cait             hm we do have it int he next section too
14:45 cait             ok, so maybe we move?
14:45 tuxayo           I forgot to move it
14:46 tuxayo           I moved it 5 min ago so juste refresh
14:46 cait             #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:46 tuxayo           #action ashimema will file a bug making Koha::Object::public_read_list throw an exception
14:46 tuxayo           «Renaming "master" branch. To "main" for example»
14:46 cait             Rename "master" branch - suggestion: main
14:46 cait             heh
14:46 * tcohen         likes
14:46 cait             I thnk if we do it, maybe at the beginning of the cycle
14:47 mtj              i bumped into a security bug recently, will log a bug
14:47 cait             it might need quite a lot of changes in scripts etc so better to do that early cycle
14:47 tuxayo           main gets the most support. Catalyst uses that since a 1year+ and no confusion issue in day to day usage.
14:47 cait             I also liked dev or development as a suggestion
14:48 cait             because it eplains a bit better - but was told main was some kind of new standard?
14:48 ashimema         main is good..
14:48 ashimema         Mmm
14:48 mtj              #info im working on a wiki doc to fix API proiblems, will upload today
14:48 cait             mtj++
14:48 cait             will be so happy to have something to point people to :)
14:48 tuxayo           «main was some kind of new standard?»
14:48 tuxayo           Indeed
14:48 ashimema         Dev is also fine with me
14:49 ashimema         I find both main and trunk a little ambiguous
14:49 ashimema         But most Devs will understand without any explanting
14:49 tcohen           it's Gitlab's default
14:49 ashimema         Expplanation
14:50 mtj              'main' does seem to be a newish popular choice, so... im happy with that :)
14:51 cait             I am ok with it too
14:51 cait             what i'd like is make sure we have all things working still...
14:51 cait             like have some easy to go instructions for people like me what to change on local repos etc. :)
14:52 tuxayo           Is main okay enough to go with it or does someone feel like doing a poll between that and the other choices?
14:52 ashimema         Worth a global search on master in the wiki
14:52 mtj              #info i'll aim to chat to arthur about the koha CI stuff on AFI
14:53 ashimema         I'd just go for it
14:53 cait             I am not sure what all is involved and how much this woudl disrupt workflows - so happy to just follow someone taking the lead really
14:54 tcohen           what would be the benefits compared to using Gitlab.com
14:54 cait             happy to help with wiki changes when triggered to do so
14:54 tcohen           is a good question
14:54 tuxayo           So #agree about renaming "master" to "main"?
14:54 cait             tcohen: isn't that a different topic?
14:55 tcohen           about mtj's comment, sorry
14:55 cait             oh right
14:55 tcohen           let's make a vote please
14:55 cait             tuxayo: yo or me?
14:55 tuxayo           ok
14:55 cait             you :)
14:57 tuxayo           #startvote Renaming master branch to main? Yes, No, Another name would be way better, Asbtain
14:57 huginn`          Begin voting on: Renaming master branch to main? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Another, name, would, be, way, better, Asbtain.
14:57 huginn`          Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:57 tuxayo           oh no
14:57 tuxayo           #endvote
14:57 huginn`          Voted on "Renaming master branch to main?" Results are
14:57 cait             the typo in abstain?
14:58 tuxayo           #startvote Renaming master branch to main? Yes, No, Another_name_would_be_way_better, Abstain
14:58 huginn`          Begin voting on: Renaming master branch to main? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Another_name_would_be_way_better, Abstain.
14:58 huginn`          Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:58 tuxayo           Thanks cait
14:58 tuxayo           #vote yes
14:58 cait             #vote Yes
14:58 tcohen           #vote Yes
14:58 thd              #vote Yes
14:59 ashimema         #vote Yes
15:00 cait             tuxayo: got to step out for a moment
15:00 tuxayo           k
15:00 tuxayo           last seconds to vote
15:01 tcohen           bag, kidclamp, khall, lukeg
15:02 oleonard         #vote Yes
15:03 cait             end vote?
15:03 tuxayo           #endvote
15:03 huginn`          Voted on "Renaming master branch to main?" Results are
15:03 huginn`          Yes (6): cait, oleonard, ashimema, tuxayo, tcohen, thd
15:04 cait             we do have quite a bit more topics but are over time already
15:04 tuxayo           Last minute call to some people made me wait a bit :)
15:04 cait             coudl those be postponed or is there something that needs resolving urgently?
15:04 tuxayo           «how much this woudl disrupt workflows»
15:04 tuxayo           My guess is likely not much after fixing all CI jobs. Locally it's about reminding to checkout main instead of master and deleting the local master. Which might cause some submission of patches that don't apply due to people not knowing/forgetting the change. The RMaint scripts should be ok.
15:04 mtj              tcohen: re gitlab versus self-hosted - im not too sure of differences
15:04 cait             my muscle memory will make this terrible for a whiel :)
15:05 cait             (remembering to checkout main)
15:05 tuxayo           #agreed Renaming master branch to main
15:05 cait             so about the next topics?
15:05 tuxayo           Who to volunteer to coordinate the change?
15:05 cait             aah right!
15:06 cait             who is taking the hat?
15:06 mtj              tcohen: gitlab may allow us to use more 'runners', but we might hit limitations with gitlab too
15:06 tcohen           I'm doing it
15:06 mtj              tcohen++
15:06 tuxayo           tcohen++
15:07 tuxayo           tcohen: action for next meeting to have a date for the switch and list of stuff to change on that moment?
15:07 tcohen           yes
15:08 tuxayo           #action tcohen Date proposal for master→main change and draft of action list
15:09 tuxayo           last topic about the CI stuff and we postpone reste?
15:09 cait             sounds good to me
15:09 cait             unless ES7 is a simple yes or no :)
15:09 mtj              no :)
15:10 tuxayo           It's about calling for volunteer to use it in production
15:10 tuxayo           «what would be the benefits compared to using Gitlab.com»
15:10 tuxayo           This dates from the time it was uncertain for Gitlab.com
15:11 tuxayo           If people are motivated switch to community hosted, why not.
15:11 mtj              #info i think we should aim to have koha 22.11 with ES7, running on deb11 and higher
15:12 tcohen           +1
15:12 cait             mtj: can you outline what is missing to achieve that?
15:13 mtj              cait: all tests are passing now, so just updating doco and announcements
15:14 tuxayo           I recall it was mentioned for ES 7 (and OpenSearch also I guess): A few instances using it in production to confirm nothing major is wrong.
15:14 tcohen           I've gotta leave to take kids to school. Just a last comment: I'm favor of completely deprecating a distro support for new releases if not doing so would drain our energies
15:15 tcohen           *an old distro version support*
15:15 mtj              perhaps we suggest ES6 on koha-22.05 with deb10
15:15 cait             we found bug 31471 testing package installation and kohadevbox - not sure if it relates to version, but seemed a good time to get some attention :)
15:15 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31471 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Duplicate check in cataloguing doesn't work with Elasticsearch
15:16 mtj              ...and we suggest ES7 on koha-22.11 with deb11
15:16 cait             is there something we should #info?
15:16 cait             bit lost on this topic
15:17 tuxayo           mtj: I'm not sure there is that much choice for a lot of implementer that it's useful to suggest a precise conbination.
15:17 tuxayo           «is there something we should #info»
15:17 tuxayo           Not yet, it's still unclear
15:18 mtj              #info perhaps we suggest ES6 on koha-22.05 with deb10,  and ES7 on koha-22.11 with deb11
15:18 tuxayo           «we suggest ES6 on koha-22.05 with deb10»
15:18 tuxayo           ES 6 should be discouraged for all supported branches as soon as we announce ES 7 I think. Because ES 6 is not maintained since more than a year I think?
15:20 tuxayo           2022-02-10 actually
15:20 mtj              #info good news is we do have ES7 tests passing on 22.05 and 21.11
15:21 ashimema         dare I raise it.. but would switching from master to main also serve as a good juncture to finally carry out the repository split we've been considering for years
15:21 tuxayo           And down to 21.05
15:21 tuxayo           ashimema: It doesn't look like it would help. Not much has to be done locally by people having repos.
15:23 tcohen           ashimema: just got back upstairs with that thought LOL
15:23 tuxayo           mtj: Is that ok we aim to advertise ES7 for 22.11 release (and one all branches) and do it sooner if we get real world feedback.
15:23 ashimema         great minds
15:24 * tcohen         goes back downstairs
15:24 tuxayo           So that people that will stay stuck on 21.05 know that ES7 is supported in case of new ES security release.
15:25 mtj              tuxayo: sounds like a good plan to me
15:26 tuxayo           #info Advertise support for ES7 for all branches on 22.11 release. Or sooner if ES7 real world feedback is enough in the meantime.
15:26 tuxayo           ES7 topic closed
15:26 cait             ok
15:26 tuxayo           CI seems also
15:26 cait             postpone mysql?
15:26 tuxayo           Yes, postpone all the rest
15:27 cait             ok :)
15:27 tuxayo           I'll do it
15:27 tuxayo           #action tuxayo postpone « Are we supporting MySQL? (either 5.7 or 8.0) - CI only tests MySQL 8 on main/master. »
15:27 cait             we shold also check if the calendar has updated after the meeting script has been run
15:27 cait             tuxayo++
15:27 tuxayo           #action tuxayo postpone « SQL8 of our coding guidelines state that SQL should not be in .pl, but should be in the module in C4 or Koha. This would mean that SQL in the Koha namespace is allowed and there is no mention of DBIC in the coding guidelines right now. »
15:28 mtj              tuxayo: i think tcohen said mysql 5.x has some nasty autoincrement problems
15:28 tuxayo           #action tuxayo postpone «Update guidelines with the replacement of jQueryUI Datepicker with flatpickr - introduced in bug 29239. And document the usage in the wiki»
15:28 huginn`          Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Replace jQueryUI's timepicker with flatpickr
15:28 tuxayo           mtj: too late :P
15:28 cait             #topic Set time of next meeting
15:29 cait             2 weeks wednesday?
15:29 tuxayo           «we shold also check if the calendar has updated after the meeting script has been run»
15:29 tuxayo           I think David N had to update the calendar manually
15:29 cait             28 September 2022
15:29 cait             yeah, different people running the script had issues with it lately
15:29 tuxayo           When is KohaCon again?
15:29 cait             next week
15:29 wahanui          next week is unknown for me.
15:30 cait             so that woudl be after
15:30 tuxayo           Ok 28 September then
15:30 tuxayo           Let me check the last meeting
15:30 cait             wahanui: feeling the same way
15:30 wahanui          cait: i'm not following you...
15:30 cait             the problem is, if the meeting script doesn't finish, the wiki is not updated witht he meeting minutes either
15:31 tuxayo           #info Next meeting: 28 September 2022, 21 UTC
15:31 tuxayo           Wait before ending
15:31 tuxayo           Next meeting at this timeframe 12 october 14 UTC? (same hour)
15:33 tuxayo           Let's go with it for now
15:33 tuxayo           #info Next Americas-Europe slot meeting: 12 October 2022, 14 UTC
15:33 tuxayo           #endmeeting
15:33 huginn`          Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 15:33:25 2022 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:33 huginn`          Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_14_september_2022.2022-09-14-14.11.html
15:33 huginn`          Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_14_september_2022.2022-09-14-14.11.txt
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15:33 cait             hm hope that works in the format
15:33 tuxayo           Thanks all for attending
15:33 tuxayo           cait++ thanks for co chairing
15:33 cait             yep thanks for attending :)
15:34 cait             tcohen: can you run meeting script?
15:34 tuxayo           «hm hope that works in the format»
15:34 tuxayo           The goal is to find it next meeting easily in the logs just to copy paste.
15:34 tuxayo           Not for it to be parsed.
15:35 tuxayo           Maybe that breaks stuff? ^^"
15:35 cait             it does get parsed too :)
15:35 cait             by the meetings script to create the new wiki page
15:36 tuxayo           mtj: 5.7 there is still 1 year of upstream support but if no one asks for it we can not support it and even discourage it due to autoincrement issues.
15:37 tuxayo           «it does get parsed too :)»
15:37 tuxayo           Ho this is bad, ok I'll use ##action to still have it but to not mess thing
15:39 reiveune         bye
15:51 cait             bye all!
16:37 oleonard         Sorry for missing 99% of the meeting, folks, pretty distracted here today
17:38 wajasu           nice democratic voting. rename master to main.  just don't rename it ever again.  i'm getting to old to have the rug pulled out from under me when I get to each repo to develop.
17:39 wajasu           i did find a nice article that you can configure in yout git config what that master/main is called.
18:25 thd              tcohen: This morning as the meeting was ending I discovered that while Canasta may have automatically set 'db' for a newly created database name it used mediawiki as a database name restored from a dump.  The database connection problem which I had last night was for wrong database name.
19:00 tuxayo           lukeg around?
22:04 thd              tcohen: ElasticSearch indexing for the Wiki worked using 1 GB of RAM and reindexed the wiki in  less than 5 min. inside the Canasta Docker container.