Time  Nick       Message
16:36 oleonard   Took me like 10 tries but KTD is working again... Such a prima donna...
16:26 huginn`    Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29768 normal, P5 - low, ---, emmi.takkinen, Failed QA , hidepatronname hides guarantor name on borrower edit screen
16:26 Putti      ashimema, I was catching up with the IRC logs, saw the discussion about patron-title.inc. There's been some work on that in this bug: bug 29768
16:03 caroline   [off] I just reopened Signal this morning and noticed that my notifications were somehow turned off... I thought it had been pretty quiet for a couple of months, lol!
16:00 oleonard   Thanks caroline, I will be very happy to not be the only one on there :D
16:00 caroline   oleonard++ for the wiki page!
15:28 oleonard   I wonder if the latest version of Docker Desktop broke something for me.
15:26 oleonard   Right now I'm the only one going XD
15:26 oleonard   I have created one. https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon22_Social
15:13 cait       haven't seen one
15:11 oleonard   There's no KohaCon22 arrivals & departures page is there?
14:58 * oleonard updates koha-testing-docker
14:56 oleonard   Why am I getting "koha-db-1 exited with code 1" over and over?
14:50 ashimema   I'd love to see that area progress with the new UI stuff.. I think general consistency improvements like this will add to the whole thing
14:49 ashimema   oh, cool
14:48 oleonard   ashimema: I actually started some follow-up work, I'll see where I was at.
14:47 huginn`    Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31162 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Add a clear cataloguing module home page
14:47 oleonard   Bug 31162
14:46 huginn`    ashimema: Karma for "koha" has been increased 81 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 80.
14:46 ashimema   @karma koha
14:46 ashimema   koha++
14:44 cait       thx!
14:42 jajm       cait: i think i'm done for today, you can reset the sandbox if you want
14:21 huginn`    ashimema: The operation succeeded.
14:21 ashimema   @later tell oleonard any chance of some magic on my follow-up for bug 31162.. I've realised I really need to go back to CSS or rather SCSS school 😜
14:07 lukeg      hi
13:59 wahanui    somebody said anyone was free to give it a shot :-)
13:59 tcohen     anyone?
13:59 huginn`    Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30982 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Use the REST API for background job list view
13:59 tcohen     bug 30982
13:41 jajm       ok
13:40 cait       can you post here when you are done with those?
13:39 cait       orr... just started a new one, but will hold off testing a bit longer and update
13:38 jajm       cait: i just submitted a new one, and i will look at the fieldset legend issue now, so maybe wait a little :)
13:36 cait       jajm: safe to reset the sandbox or are you about to drop more patches any moment? :)
13:21 ashimema   :tea: time
13:20 ashimema   ah, okies
13:20 wahanui    oleonard-away is away
13:20 tcohen     ashimema: oleonard-away
13:18 ashimema   oleonard still around?
12:57 cait       +1
12:56 ashimema   +1
12:56 tcohen     I like the progress that's been made on the staff interface style revamp
12:55 ashimema   totally agree.. it's another bug
12:55 ashimema   yes
12:55 ashimema   it would need a bit of iterating to get right.. I'm sure
12:55 cait       it also might look a little similar to some other software
12:55 ashimema   indeed..
12:55 cait       i think maybe more radical change are better in another iteration of our design
12:55 tcohen     you could have the option to expand them
12:55 oleonard   Consider also that GMail has three icons in the sidebar, we would have 14
12:54 ashimema   I wouldn't do it with text.. it would be too wide
12:54 cait       I am not a fan of icon only
12:54 ashimema   a narrow, icons only (with hint text on hover of course) bar on the left side of the UI.. with a link to each enabled module
12:53 cait       (i just heard collapsable)
12:53 cait       I still don't get it... but collapsable sidebars woudl be nice :)
12:52 ashimema   but I didn't want to do it whilst this UI style change was still in the air a bit
12:52 ashimema   I was considering working on that.. may have even opened a bug about it already.. can't remember
12:52 ashimema   or gmail's more recent UI changes
12:51 ashimema   kinda like Ubuntu
12:51 tcohen     :-D
12:51 ashimema   we already have nice 'clear' icons for each module on the mainpage.. we could use those in a collapsible left side column
12:51 ashimema   I've actually considered an iconbar on the left mysql
12:50 tcohen     haha, I supposed
12:50 ashimema   I think that's for another day..
12:50 oleonard   Strongly disagree. Librarians are already obsessed with saving clicks.
12:50 cait       ?
12:49 tcohen     having a ||| <- 90º flip on the top left, and display Circulation, Patrons, etc vertically on the left
12:49 tcohen     it would mean one more click, though
12:48 oleonard   :(
12:48 tcohen     I've always felt our UI provides too many options
12:47 ashimema   ?
12:47 tcohen     should we hide the top bar/options? and use a menu icon to display them vertically?
12:42 ashimema   yup
12:34 cait       we ought to check well for side effects I guess
12:34 cait       understandably
12:32 ashimema   excellent.. that's the one that scared me.. hehe
12:32 cait       he took on the quick add
12:32 ashimema   nice
12:32 cait       kidclamp++ providing patch for the second bad bug from QA mail :)
12:31 ashimema   fair
12:31 cait       click on...
12:31 cait       the tabs on top are a known element, I also like the look of the 'pills' but not sure yet how I'd describe them writing instructions yet
12:30 ashimema   agreed
12:30 cait       I think the dark green border is 'too hard' somehow, too dominant
12:29 ashimema   the consensus here was that the tabs do look out of place right now... but there wasn't a clear opinion on what to replace them with
12:29 ashimema   agreed
12:29 oleonard   I prefer the pills for the redesign, but what's most important to me is that we get some consensus before making the decision
12:28 ashimema   but I'm not sure if Pills are right either
12:27 ashimema   the tabs, as they stand, feel out of place to me now with the rest of the UI reworking..
12:27 ashimema   aha.. so we both spotted it..
12:27 oleonard   I mentioned it on the bug report
12:27 ashimema   https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues/17
12:27 ashimema   maybe it was me
12:26 ashimema   Pills vs Tabs.. I think you raised it
12:26 * ashimema is still basically debating the proposal vs reality for this mock up: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10f17dQiuyDKLlYfWy_cIAl_oNubCghh9q746LeEPVy0/edit#slide=id.g1155f3a071f_0_161
12:26 oleonard   Replacing tabs?
12:25 ashimema   because cards were introduced in 4
12:25 ashimema   ah, OK.. that's why we're not using bootstrap cards and instead adding our own card like css
12:23 ashimema   I always forget what version of bootstrap we're actually using
12:23 ashimema   well.. these happen to look the same in 4 and 5
12:23 * cait     goes back to her inbox
12:23 ashimema   ah yes
12:22 oleonard   ashimema: I haven't looked at what things are going to look like in Bootstrap 5. we'll skip 4.x
12:22 ashimema   that's just the reference bootstrap docs
12:22 cait       oook, they just took a long while
12:22 cait       the link you posted
12:22 ashimema   huh.. images on what page cait?
12:21 ashimema   with Checkouts, Holds, Claims etc
12:21 cait       ashimema: images on that page are broken for me
12:21 ashimema   for where we use a tabbed section on a page.. like the stuff at the bottom of borrower details pages
12:21 ashimema   nope
12:21 * ashimema is contemplating something along the lines of https://getbootstrap.com/docs/4.6/components/card/#navigation
12:20 oleonard   In the header search?
12:20 ashimema   oleonard, did I imagine a plan to replace jQuery UI tabs with Bootstrap nav stuff?
11:57 cait       at the circulation desk, because you see the total worth of the books checked out and the credit on the account on the same screen
11:57 Kush       cant we check membership fee against book cost?
11:57 tcohen     and Koha has a payout option, for recording the transaction of giving out money
11:57 cait       you could do it manually I guess
11:56 tcohen     and the plugin would add a hook to compare the book price and the available credit
11:56 Kush       I am not into development, so developing aplugin is not an option for me.
11:56 tcohen     the deposit could be a credit
11:55 cait       yes, that might be an idea
11:55 cait       maybe depends on the coutnry
11:55 tcohen     Maybe you can develop a plugin that intercepts check-outs
11:55 Kush       in public libraries it is common,
11:54 Kush       :( sad to hear that. its required in my library.
11:54 cait       i think it's not a very common workflow in most libraries
11:54 cait       but that#s not possible
11:54 cait       I understood
11:53 Kush       by deposit i mean Caution money deposited by the patron
11:53 marcelr    when i go there, there is nothing
11:53 marcelr    Nice: The item has not been checked in due to a configuration issue in your system. You must ask an administrator to take a look at the about page and correct all errors shown on the "System information" tab
11:53 cait       the price of a book is shown in circulation, but only after it's checked out and there is no system for deposits
11:52 cait       there is no automatism for htis
11:52 Kush       I just want to know that is it possiblle in KOHA to check deposit money of a patron against the cost of the book which is about to be issued. And if the deposited amount is less than the book cost then check-out must be stopped
11:51 cait       just ask, if someone knows, thery will answer
11:50 Kush       I am new to KOHA and have a little query, hope any of you will help me out.
11:49 marcelr    o/
11:49 Kush       Hello Everyone
11:49 marcelr    dump_your_db++
11:49 marcelr    or if i should just reinstall
11:49 marcelr    might be interesting to see if this triggers other people
11:48 marcelr    no hints whatsoever just suffering :)
11:47 tcohen     marcelr: interesting, any hints on how to reproduce it?
11:44 marcelr    DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::mysql::_exec_svp_release(): DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::db do failed: SAVEPOINT savepoint_0 does not exist at /usr/share/koha/Koha/Object.pm line 170  at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/Exception.pm line 77
11:44 marcelr    tcohen: the following crash I have seen since a few days in master (not investigated yet, just observing)
11:41 cait       using a different font for headings seems to be done a lot
11:40 cait       oleonard: i like the idea, i think i had suggested it somewhere too
11:36 tcohen     I think buttons and maybe menues could use a nice default font that looks fresh
11:35 oleonard   I think there is something to be said for using a custom font for *some* elements at least, to help it look new
11:34 marcelr    I like nice defaults
11:34 tcohen     :-P
11:33 tcohen     it needs to be a serif font for text blocks... sorry...
11:33 cait       everyone can still chnge...b ut we need to find a nice default
11:33 cait       heh
11:32 tcohen     ROboto++
11:32 marcelr    Calibri++
11:32 marcelr    sounds like a In Discussion :)
11:31 cait       :P
11:31 cait       i like it with Arial
11:31 tcohen     it looks really nice with line-height: 20px
11:30 oleonard   Another option is to use the custom font for larger elements, perhaps header elements and headings, and a common or system font for "content"
11:29 cait       i am open too, but I think the concerns raised are valid and we should address
11:28 marcelr    o/
11:28 cait       so maybe we need to pick another font or play witht he font weight?
11:28 oleonard   ...and none of that is said with any judgement. I don't know what the right choice is.
11:28 cait       thinking of screenshots and manuals a systemfont might create inconsistency tehre
11:28 oleonard   Going with a system font would guarantee that all platforms looked different.
11:28 cait       true....
11:27 oleonard   The idea of using a web font is consistency... We know more or less what people are going to get regardless of the platform. Using a common font like Arial offers *some* consistency, but it's not universal.
11:21 cait       I like the idea of using a system font - that might resolve those issues for good?
11:21 cait       oleonard: yeah, the coworkers here have it all too - at least that makes it somewhat... consistent
11:20 oleonard   I have no idea what's going on there
11:20 oleonard   cait I don't think I followed up with you about it, but I saw the numbers problem too when I looked on Windows
11:16 cait       has screenshot too
11:16 cait       Discussion is here: https://github.com/jajm/koha-staff-interface-redesign/issues/20
11:16 cait       so if you are looking at results for example
11:16 cait       the font picked
11:16 cait       tcohen: we'd say too small, but it doesn't work well for bold I think
11:11 tcohen     things look at bit packed
11:11 tcohen     is the font size... big?
11:05 ashimema   walk time.. bbiab
11:05 * ashimema likes
11:04 cait       https://staff-gui.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ if someone want sto have a look
11:03 cait       jajm: latst sandbox attempt has worked :)
11:03 cait       not so easy to test maybe, I can help with records if needed (we have several libraries with original script)
11:03 cait       for original script, it won't display or display not as it should, since the fields are no longer 880 but the 'normal' ones
11:02 cait       it's affecting display in the result list IIUC
11:02 tcohen     hola :-D
11:02 tcohen     yes
11:02 cait       the 880 one?
11:01 cait       jajm: patchs applied now
10:59 * tcohen   got worried about dcook's email, didn't know there was a problem in master
10:58 tcohen     hola #koha
10:53 cait       tickets for me... but hope to get another look at the sandbox later
10:52 ashimema   right now I need to dig back into a sandbox again
10:52 ashimema   I couldn't wrap my head around it though.. may revisit later
10:52 ashimema   indeed
10:51 cait       and have empty cardnumbers and such.. no good
10:51 cait       because you might not realize you lost the data
10:51 cait       yeah, ther are other open issues, but this one is specially bad I think
10:51 ashimema   all seems to be at template level
10:51 ashimema   it's weird and confusing to work out what it's doing
10:51 ashimema   I looked at the quick add patron one too.. baffled by that code
10:51 cait       :)
10:50 ashimema   boost my numbers
10:50 ashimema   thought I'd work through a few 😜
10:50 cait       ashimema++ thx for the diff view patch
10:49 cait       I'd really like to get the font issue resolved to a good solution and maybe font size - the most first feedback I heard was it's harder to read/smaller (which is easy to resolve actually I guess, but we need to figure out the how)
10:41 oleonard   Hi #koha
10:26 jajm       thanks, and yes feedback is really great and positive, so thanks for that too :)
10:24 ashimema   you're doing a great job being responsive jajm
10:24 ashimema   hopefully our feedback is coming across positive.. I'm really liking this and want to get it through 🙂
10:24 ashimema   jajm++
10:16 jajm       cait: rebase done
09:55 cait       yeah... you could try to track if it was checked in without being checkout out... (picked off the shelf) for triggering the hold, but not easy to write that one
09:54 tundunf    I'll look into it! thank you :)
09:50 ashimema   in short.. it wouldn't be at all trivial 😜
09:49 ashimema   tundunf, you might be able to get at that data if you have circulation action logs enabled.. you'd need to compare dates the hold was placed and checkout/checkin dates for the same item..
09:49 cait       and having a sandbox we can share around for opinions easier
09:48 cait       was trying to see if I coudl test your latest follow-ups
09:48 cait       heh, didn't need to tell the bug, sorry, in between things
09:48 jajm       ah ok thanks for telling me, rebasing right now :)
09:47 cait       some trouble with resetting the sandbox - maybe a conflict
09:46 jajm       cait: yes
09:45 cait       jajm: around?
09:38 tundunf    ok, thanks so much!
09:35 cait       but in the requests table you don't have an indicator
09:35 cait       like if you have closed stacks...
09:35 cait       in reporting probably not, unless you can use something like the itemtype
09:34 tundunf    We've enabled on-shelf requests in the circulation rules but my colleagues are wondering if they would be able to separate them from standard holds when reporting
09:34 tundunf    Ah I see, sorry I should have been more specific - I was wondering if, in terms of reporting, Koha would distinguish between an onshelf request and a regular hold
09:14 cait       on-shelf requests will show up in the 2 hold reports holds queue and holds to pull on the circulation start page - so you can go get them off the shelf for the patrons if your library offers that service
09:13 cait       if you look at administration > circulation rules, youc an set up if something can be requested while it's on shelf or not if not
09:13 cait       tundunf: it's all a 'hold' in Koha but there are different workflows
09:12 * cait     waves
08:49 tundunf    might be a silly question, but does anyone know if koha is able to differentiate between standard holds and on-shelf holds?
08:45 tuxayo     Hi all :)
08:42 tundunf    hi everyone
06:56 wahanui    niihau, reiveune
06:56 reiveune   hello
06:54 magnuse    \o/
06:50 alex_      Bonjour
01:48 milktoast  probably just human error
01:47 milktoast  only getting in the DB was I able to see my account's ID...
01:46 milktoast  agreed
01:41 tuxayo     That's still a mystery about what went wrong with the onboarding that messed the superlibrarian creation
01:40 tuxayo     Great :D
01:40 tuxayo     > I'm in
01:40 tuxayo     userid collumn, right?
01:40 tuxayo     > and it ended up being "academymaintenance.maintenance"
01:39 milktoast  OK, I'm in... thanks for the help
01:27 milktoast  I got in by looking at the DB and seeing my user name as MORE than I typed... I thought it was "koha_library" and it ended up being "academymaintenance.maintenance"
01:21 milktoast  I'm looking at the DB and the Admin has "null" for user ID and Password
00:47 tuxayo     That's why you need another Koha where you can log in. And copy the password hash of the user that works.
00:47 tuxayo     The password is hashed (thankfully)
00:47 tuxayo     You can't use the same Koha
00:46 milktoast  I'll look at the DB to see the and  copy the password
00:45 milktoast  yea... thats why I'm hitting my head on a wall
00:44 tuxayo     There is not much that can go wrong if you do the onboarding, create the user and immediately try to log in.
00:44 tuxayo     If you see the staff login form on the same URL you did the onboarding then it's okay on that side.
00:43 milktoast  and I'm on the PC using 127.0.1.1 address
00:43 tuxayo     IIRC you already have other Kohas working, so it's would be to crack the access via the DB to copy the password hash from another of your Kohas
00:42 tuxayo     milktoast: That's weird. No idea about the cause. You can drop and recreate the DB and do the onboarding process again. Or check another instance of yours DB, where login works, copy the password field from the borrowers table to your physical Koha and see if it still doesn't work.
00:42 tuxayo     milktoast_: That's weird. No idea about the cause. You can drop and recreate the DB and do the onboarding process again. Or check another instance of yours DB, where login works, copy the password field from the borrowers table to your physical Koha and see if it still doesn't work.
00:38 milktoast_ anything I can look into to see what is causing this?
00:36 milktoast  library branch was set to "All"
00:35 milktoast  now it just says "Error: Invalid username or password"
00:34 milktoast  I made a copy of all my settings... user, password Card number Patron category Username: koha_library Password
00:33 milktoast  correct
00:32 tuxayo     milktoast:  So you went through the onboarding process, created a staff user and the credentials that you set for it don't work?
00:30 milktoast  Patron category: staff
00:30 tuxayo     Have you went through the onboarding process?
00:29 milktoast  staff
00:29 milktoast  it says this "Error: Invalid username or password"
00:29 tuxayo     Is it staff or OPAC?
00:29 tuxayo     Do you see the form?
00:29 tuxayo     milktoast: What do you mean "I can't log in" ?
00:29 milktoast  have I missed something
00:28 milktoast  I just installed my first koha on a physical PC... I got through all steps and now I'm at the web log in page... and I can't log in ... I tried the port 80 and port 8099