Time Nick Message 22:31 milktoast ok, I'm home now and builing a ubuntu server from stock... then I'll get the KOHA installed. 19:48 milktoast started apt install koha-common 17:09 tuxayo Results of today's patch testing session with french librarians:... (full message at https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bMQIsIscLLRIrWfLqHFuNrVd) 16:25 milktoast apt update ... apt upgrade 16:12 ashimema have a good one #koha 16:11 ashimema time to clock out.. 16:10 milktoast logged in and sudo su - now root user 16:06 reiveune bye 16:05 milktoast server built... rebooting 15:58 cait1 how's your trip? 15:58 cait1 hola tcohen :) 15:57 ashimema hi 15:56 tcohen hola ashimema 15:56 tcohen hola cait1 15:52 milktoast server is in the building mode 15:51 milktoast :-) 15:51 cait1 milktoast: fingers crossed 15:48 tcohen jajm: can u run the DB upgrade on the staff interface sandbox please? 15:48 milktoast starting the ubuntu 20 server build 15:44 tuxayo Getting the exact error message (maybe from the apache logs if the page doesn't say anything) might give away the issue 15:43 milktoast I'll build one more 15:43 tuxayo It's fine 15:43 tuxayo > ubuntu 20.04 15:42 milktoast it has to be a user error... just can't find it 15:42 milktoast I used ubuntu 20.04 15:41 milktoast I tried mysql and meriadb 15:41 tuxayo hola :) 15:41 tuxayo Ah yes, maybe the Ubuntu is too old and the Apache version too and it doesn't work 15:41 tcohen hola #koha! 15:40 tuxayo milktoast: if you retry and get the precise apache error, it's likely to ring a bell to someone 15:40 cait1 did you check your OS versions are listed for the Koha version you tried? 15:40 cait1 hm been a while since i treid on virtualbox 15:36 milktoast all using virtualbox 15:35 milktoast tried server and desktop OS 15:34 milktoast built new servers about 3 or 4 times 15:34 milktoast I got it running and went to the login page.. tried to log in using koha_library koha123 and then the page gave an apahe error 15:33 tuxayo Do you remember what went wrong? 15:32 tuxayo milktoast: Good that you tried both way. We can help if at some point you retry. 15:32 milktoast just looking for a demo to sell to the upper end and to learn it if they accept it and I am the admin on it 15:31 tuxayo paulderscheid++ thanks your recent updates to the Debian install wikipage ^^ 15:31 milktoast it is like that video... I followed both and failed. I tried ubuntu and debian 15:29 tuxayo It's regularly updated 15:29 tuxayo Oups, the current instructions are https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 15:29 tuxayo Oups, the current instructions are https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 15:28 tuxayo milktoast The video might, but be sure to read at the same time this: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_ubuntu_-_packages 15:27 tuxayo With we can help much more ^^ Here or the general mailing list 15:27 tuxayo > I couldn't get an installed one to work either 15:26 tuxayo The demo installations are right for this job: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Installations 15:26 tuxayo > I gues it is just a demo 15:24 milktoast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYDuHGQ20Eo&t=1313s 15:24 cait1 there is a koha 21.05 and a koha 21.11 and neither are the latest vesion 15:23 cait1 there is no koha 21 actually 15:23 cait1 which video? 15:22 milktoast I used the Koha 21 complete implementation page and video to build them 15:21 milktoast I must be mis-typing on the terminal 15:20 milktoast I gues it is just a demo because I couldn't get an installed one to work either... I installed it following the instructions and when I get to the web page the page failed and it stopped working 15:10 tuxayo *that the Koha demos don't? 15:10 tuxayo milktoast: Does the live DVD fullfils a need that the Koha demos? Or is it because you found the DVD first? 15:03 milktoast ok, I'll look up their docs... 15:03 tuxayo The place where you found the live DVD should have the staff URL in instructions. Otherwise it's not possible to do anything with it 15:03 milktoast port 8080 didn't work 15:01 milktoast ok, I'll llook for that URL 15:01 cait1 you could try adding :8080 to the URL you have for a start 15:01 cait1 but I don't know how the DVD might have set it up 15:00 cait1 it's eitehr a different port or a different URL 15:00 milktoast :-) 15:00 cait1 we don't know 15:00 milktoast I missed that 14:59 milktoast ok... where is the staff interface page 14:58 oleonard milktoast: That is the public interface. You want the staff interface 14:58 milktoast opac-user.pl 14:57 milktoast web page is opas-user.pl 14:54 tuxayo *login page 14:54 tuxayo How does the login patch look? 14:54 milktoast the web to the local IP address 14:53 milktoast sorry , my chat dropped 14:52 tuxayo milktoast: is that the web installer or staff interface? As cait says. 14:51 milktoast it says invalid username or password 14:49 tuxayo If you just need to see how Koha works there are the demos https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Demo_Installations 14:49 cait1 different logins for those 14:49 cait1 are you logging into web installer or staff interface? 14:49 tuxayo milktoast: does it says the login/password is wrong? 14:49 cait1 yeah, but better to stick with the official way always 14:49 milktoast that is why i found the live dvd 14:48 milktoast tried that 5 times 14:48 milktoast yes... that got the the main page and after trying to log in.. the page errored and never worked 14:48 cait1 Official instructions are linked from the release notes: https://koha-community.org/koha-22-05-04-released/ 14:48 milktoast and showing my upper end workers 14:47 cait1 have you considered setting up using the packages instead? 14:47 milktoast right... testing it 14:47 cait1 we don't know how they work, so we usually can't help much with questions 14:47 cait1 the Koha Live DVD is not recommended for production setups 14:46 milktoast helloall, I've built a KOHA server using the KOHA Live DVD... once it is running, I can't log into the web page. I've used the name/passwd in koha-conf.xml.... what am I missing? what account can I log into KOHA the first time? 14:42 cait1 about the permissions on that button 14:42 cait1 there could just be a bug? 13:47 ashimema 🵠13:47 ashimema it's a game now.. haha 13:47 marcelr take a break of 10 mins first 13:46 ashimema hehe 13:46 marcelr i know you will find it :) 13:46 ashimema which has totally baffled me 13:46 ashimema so it must be getting sent somewhere higher up the chain.. 13:46 ashimema indeed 13:46 marcelr at least my regex 13:46 marcelr not on catalogue/detail 13:45 marcelr i am seeing it for those other tabs 13:45 ashimema detail 13:45 marcelr ISBD? 13:45 marcelr is it detail or moredetail etc ? 13:44 ashimema In short.. I have no idea how I'm seeing 'Edit record' when I only have 'fast_cataloging' as me permission on the cat detail page 13:43 ashimema or am I missing something fundamental there? 13:43 ashimema indeed.. but how does it get passed to catalogue/detail.tt 😜 13:43 marcelr at the very end 13:42 marcelr ashimema: cataloguing/addbiblio.pl: frameworkcode => $frameworkcode, 13:42 ashimema I don't see where it's passed.. I was hopeing to find somewhere nice and central to pass something else I need for the cat-toolbar.inc 13:41 ashimema as in.. how is it sent as a variable to the template 13:40 caroline_catlady the frameworkcode is the in the db, in biblio, could that be where it comes from? 13:39 ashimema can one add a new facet tag to ES from the UI? 13:34 ashimema but I'm damned if I can see where 13:34 ashimema it's clearly getting passed to catalogue/detail somehow 13:34 ashimema I'm baffled.. 13:34 ashimema nope.. not in Auth.. 13:31 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19482 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Elasticsearch - prevent removal / editing of required indexes 13:31 caroline_catlady it was part of bug 19482, the other one just changed the location of the line 13:30 caroline_catlady ok nvm, I found it :) 13:28 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18984 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Remove support for NORMARC 13:28 caroline_catlady that flag was added as part of bug 18984 13:27 caroline_catlady (for example, issues is mandatory it seems, but I'm not sure what that entails) 13:24 caroline_catlady what does 'mandatory' mean in mappings.yaml? 13:23 wahanui Auth is done with gitea 13:23 marcelr Auth ? 13:13 ashimema we seem to reference 'frameworkcode' in cat-toolbar.inc.. but I can't see where it's ever set.. anyone got any clues? 13:13 ashimema hmmm 12:29 tuxayo hi marcelr ^^ 12:28 marcelr hi tuxayo 12:05 tuxayo Hi #koha :) 11:31 marcelr o/ 11:29 cait1 meeting bbl 11:27 cait1 maybe check if the records it works for have the LDR/000 in the MARC view or not 11:26 cait1 hm that shoudl not be it... but stranger things have happened 11:23 drbone and some titles it does not. I suspect it depends on when the entering user pushes the "normsätze automatisch verknüpfen" button but thats only a wild guess 11:23 drbone so some titles it accepts (including titles with ü) 11:23 drbone strange thing is: sometimes it works, sometimes it does not 11:23 drbone ok, will try that! thanks 11:22 cait1 catalogers can ignore it 11:22 cait1 maybe this doesn't work when it's hidden 11:22 cait1 try to make it visible - it will auto-fill 11:22 drbone no not visible 11:22 drbone sec 11:21 drbone and I can find some entries with ü 11:21 cait1 is it visible? 11:21 drbone i have 000 in the marc framework 11:21 cait1 did bringing back 000/LDR solve your issue yesterday? 11:20 cait1 let me see if i still have notes about it somewhere - we don't use it - ours is K10plus :) 11:20 cait1 not sure, but I could try 11:19 drbone cait? Could you help me with configuring the DNB correctly as sru server? Tried to configure it, search for somthing but I don't get any results and there are also no visible errors within any log files... 10:31 ashimema the idea is great.. but for some reason they're just not entirely reliable 10:30 ashimema yeah.. sandboxes are a pain for me here too.. been really struggling to get the ptfs-e's stable for a while now 10:30 jajm i will ask for a more permanent instance, sandboxes are not stable enough (not the first time it breaks) 10:29 ashimema try to help it get over the finish line for the cycle 10:28 ashimema I can do that if you like.. ptfs-e intend to give it a good thrashing tomorrow 😜 10:28 ashimema so looks like we may need to set it back up again 10:28 ashimema I just assumed it was a rebase somewhere. 10:28 ashimema that's weird 10:28 ashimema oh.. 10:27 jajm ashimema: i tried running the webinstaller but it looks like the database is just... gone ? I got the "first-time" web installer, not the updatedatabase one 10:24 ashimema I think it's been rebased behind the scenes and needs updatedatabase running 10:24 ashimema tl:dr was I'm trying to get https://staff-bug30952.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ back up and running 10:23 ashimema sorry.. was in a meeting 10:23 ashimema hi 10:19 cait1 hi oleonard :) 10:19 oleonard o/ 10:15 cait1 ok thx :) 10:14 jajm cait1: it looks like the password is the same for all created sandboxes, at least it worked for my sandbox 10:13 cait1 or maybe I am missing something 10:13 cait1 jajm: but can you get this information after creating the sandbox? 10:05 jajm ashimema: db password is also written on the sandbox creation page, and the db username is as cait1 said: koha_<sandbox name> 09:56 cait1 jajm: running web installer i guess 09:53 jajm oh, the db one ? why do you need it ? 09:53 cait1 you can#t get ther after making one, maybe we need to find a better spot 09:52 jajm ashimema, hi, the default password for sandboxes is koha (it's written on the sandbox creation page) 09:51 marcelr bbl 09:47 wahanui liliputech is not around - so I think we'll postpone that one again 09:47 ashimema liliputech 09:47 ashimema any biblibre here, paul_p, jajm, 09:46 ashimema I spend like two days digging this week 09:46 ashimema ptfs-e one's are actually finally back up and running 09:45 cait1 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes shoudl be updated 09:45 ashimema I think 'password' is set at the sandbox server level though.. I have no idea what it is on biblbire 09:45 ashimema mm 09:44 cait1 i think it's koha_nameofsandbox password? 09:44 cait1 I remember asking the same int he past and being told it was written somewhere (just forgot where) 09:43 cait1 I always forget too 09:43 ashimema the normal logins are.. but I can't for the life of me work out the db ones 09:43 cait1 I think they are listed somewhere 09:41 ashimema jajm around? 09:40 ashimema anyone know what the db passwords are for sandboxes? 08:36 cait1 thx marcelr 08:33 marcelr wb cait 08:30 marcelr default entry for ashimema 08:30 ashimema hehe 08:30 marcelr lol 08:30 ashimema ? 08:29 marcelr you can adjust the template for that 08:29 * ashimema doesn't like not even being on the leaderboards yet for this month ;P 08:29 marcelr if only the users.. :) 08:28 marcelr our queues are patient 08:28 marcelr right 08:28 ashimema annual review season at ptfs-e and universities all going back at the moment so the support desk is busier than usual too 08:27 marcelr ok 08:27 ashimema afraid not.. it's been a crazy week.. 08:27 marcelr did you have a chance to glance at those api logging stuff? 08:27 ashimema morning marcelr 08:26 marcelr and hi 08:26 marcelr those are the nicest, ashimema :) 08:24 ashimema it looked so elegant and reasonable 08:24 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15187 normal, P1 - high, ---, dcook, Pushed to stable , Adding 880 Fields to index-list in order to Increase Search for ALL non-latin Scripts 08:24 ashimema dang.. sorry I missed issues with bug 15187 dcook 08:23 ashimema morning' 07:36 drbone there is this button "Normsätze automatisch verknüpfen" (german for something like "connect/link normdata/normentries automatically") when adding a new book to the lib. Is it possible that if thats pressed before entering a title containing special characters it leads to the observed error? 07:31 drbone ü and ß in the database 07:30 drbone i just found out that it sometimes works. So I can find titles with 07:12 marcelr bye dcook 07:07 drbone good night! have a good sleep and thanks for your help 07:07 dcook Good morning, Europeans, and good night from this Aussie 07:07 dcook But on that note, I really must be going. 07:07 dcook I've been working on Koha for over 10.5 years and it still surprises me sometimes too ;) 07:07 dcook drbone: That's because of the authority system preferences 07:05 alex_ Bonjour 07:04 drbone *forgot 07:04 drbone oh gosh I'm getting old. I set up this instance before the summer and I how to do it ... if I try to enter a record using the default framework the field for author is not editable... am I stupid? 07:01 dcook Yup 06:54 drbone uh that would be bad.. 06:53 dcook drbone: I suspect if you enter a record from scratch it'll probably work (unless your database schema is wrong too) 06:51 drbone but I just got an idea, I'll try to add a book using the default framework and see if it works then 06:50 drbone just to make sure I'm checking at the right place. I have 2 MARC Framworks. the default one and the "FA" (for "fast add" i guess). Both contain the 000 "tagfield" 06:50 dcook But yeah the new solution is good. I just rolled it out locally in prod a few minutes ago 06:49 dcook It looked right, but noticed today that it's not quite right 06:49 dcook I wrote and tested it, but I think I didn't know enough about the 880 06:49 cait1 that sounds good 06:49 cait1 I didn't look at the solution or tested it :( maybe shoudl have as I know about the XSLT 06:49 dcook I have an alternative solution though which is pure-Zebra configuration which allows the 880 to be indexed as the linked field without touching the MARCXML returned to Koha via the Zebra search results 06:49 cait1 ah I see - you are changing the fields 06:48 dcook I didn't notice it for a long time, because the 880 data still appears... but in the wrong context. For instance a "880 $6 245" will appears as a second "245", which looks only slightly wrong 06:47 dcook it means the 880 handling in the display XSLTs don't work 06:47 dcook Basically, the 880 patch rewrites 880 as the linked field, and while that works great for indexing... it's not great for search results which use that same MARCXML 06:45 cait1 and waht issues witht he 880 patch? 06:44 cait1 ok, yes, NORMARC is dead 06:44 cait1 I'll check the logs 06:43 dcook Not sure when you disconnected heh 06:43 cait1 what did Imiss? 06:43 cait1 sorry, I got disconnected (VPN) 06:43 cait1 it's posible you need to keep that one visible on a 'don't touch and ignore it' basis 06:42 dcook Hmm I thought that we had gotten rid of NORMARC.. 06:40 dcook drbone: No worries. I think the problem is probably with the bib data in your database but tough to know without more information 06:39 drbone your* 06:39 drbone thanks for you help guys 06:39 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=31532 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, NEW , Zebra search results incorrect because of Bug 15187 06:39 dcook But I have an alternative solution coming to bug 31532 soon 06:39 drbone thanks I'll take a look and see what I can do 06:38 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15187 normal, P1 - high, ---, dcook, Pushed to stable , Adding 880 Fields to index-list in order to Increase Search for ALL non-latin Scripts 06:38 dcook cait: In other news that might interest you, I realized bug 15187 seems to create more problems than it solves 06:38 drbone well I ... thought I did that 06:38 drbone ok, thank you I'll try to bring it back. 06:38 dcook ^ 06:38 cait and never delete fields from frameworks, only hide them if possible 06:38 cait if it#s missing, strange things will happen 06:38 cait it contains the encoding setting 06:37 cait with the default settings first 06:37 cait bring back 000 or LDR 06:37 drbone sorry for the trouble 06:37 cait I have seen records with diacritics and umlauts not saving corrrectly and losing data every time the LDR was not set correctly 06:37 drbone can very well be I messed that up 06:37 drbone hmmm tried to simplify it as we only need a tiny fraction. (its a small ground school (volksschule) library 06:36 cait did you change the frameworks in any way? 06:36 dcook UTF8* 06:36 dcook It looks to me like the records are in Windows-1252 encoding and not UTF9 06:36 cait is my first guess 06:36 drbone and lead to the error posted above AH01215.... 06:36 cait LDR is missing 06:36 cait ah 06:36 drbone books containing ß or ü just are not saved 06:36 cait wha's the problem/question? 06:36 * cait might need tea first 06:35 dcook hehe 06:35 cait local 06:35 cait not sure if loca is correct :) 06:35 dcook But ultimately that's the problem 06:35 dcook cait might be able to help a bit as our local german expert 06:35 dcook ß should be bytes c39f in UTF-8 encoding 06:34 dcook Koha is expecting your data to be UTF-8 encoded 06:33 dcook drbone: Looks like ß is a "df" byte in Windows-1252 encoding 06:33 wahanui hey, drbone 06:33 drbone hello 06:33 reiveune hello 06:33 drbone or at least used in the german language 06:32 drbone those are german letters 06:32 drbone it looks like to have issues at least with ß and ü 06:32 drbone yeah I assume so too 06:32 drbone ß 06:32 dcook Probably a data encoding issue 06:32 dcook What's the character that should be appearing there? 06:32 dcook drbone: That "g0=ASCII_DEFAULT g1=EXTENDED_LATIN" part is interesting 06:30 drbone Good Morning! Still facing this "AH01215: no mapping found for [0xDF] at position 25 in Jakobs Zauberhut. Das gro\xdfe Geheimnis g0=ASCII_DEFAULT g1=EXTENDED_LATIN at /usr/share/perl5/MARC/Charset.pm line 308.: /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl, referer" error. Any hint on how to fix it would be awesome 06:29 * dcook waits for the second half of the punchline :p 06:29 marcelr dcook you're doing good 06:29 dcook Always nice to clean up one's own messes... 06:26 dcook Or rather an alternative approach... 06:26 dcook But I have a fix on the way hehe 06:26 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15187 normal, P1 - high, ---, dcook, Pushed to stable , Adding 880 Fields to index-list in order to Increase Search for ALL non-latin Scripts 06:26 dcook Noticed that bug 15187 caused a regression... 06:26 dcook allo 06:12 marcelr hi #koha 05:12 tuxayo The version number allows to deduce it's OpenSearch. Ugly but it's there 05:12 tuxayo Elasticsearch: Version: 1.3.0 | Nodes: | Status: running | Indices: koha_kohadev_biblios (count: 436), koha_kohadev_authorities (count: 1706) 05:12 tuxayo In about.pl I have 05:11 tuxayo There is actually! (but I don't get why I didn't see it last time) 05:11 tuxayo mtj «we could add some ES info, like ES/OS version, and if ES is running/active or not»