Time Nick Message 02:48 dcook TIL that Docker's MySQL defaults to latin1 instead of utf8... yeesh 05:00 reiveune hello 06:50 cait1 IRC meeting in a few? 06:57 Joubu cait1: nope, it's at 21:00 utc 06:58 alex_ Bonjour 06:58 wahanui salut, alex_ 07:02 cait1 oh the other 9 07:03 cait1 this one showed up wrongly in my calendar 07:03 cait1 Joubu: webseite says 11 07:03 cait1 pm 07:10 Joubu cait1: the website? 07:10 wahanui somebody said the website was updated 07:16 cait1 Joubu: https://koha-community.org/calendar/ has 11pm for me 07:16 cait1 but you said UTC... I am just not awake yet I guess 07:19 Joubu 21UTC must be 23 for you 07:19 Joubu you lost me :D 07:21 cait1 it's alright :) sorry for beign confusing, I'll wait with more comments until the first coffee/tea kicks in next time 07:23 magnuse \o/ 07:36 fridolin cait1: my fault i created at 11am UTC but it is 11am for Tahiti time, its 07:37 fridolin Victor notices that and altered the ML 07:37 fridolin i fixed it yesterday 07:39 cait1 fridolin: ok, not going crazy, that's good to know :) 07:43 fridolin ^^ 07:44 * fridolin first QA whoooo 07:50 ashimema fridolin++ 07:51 * ashimema is out today so won't be around much. 07:55 magnuse fridolin++ 07:56 fridolin "a great power implies ..." 07:56 fridolin ... mmm to use it ^^ 08:19 cait1 use it _wisely_ ;) 09:16 liliputech hello, i didn't manage to backport bz30742 to 21.11.x, lots of conflicts and time is limited, i'm afraid that if i take a lot of time on some single bugs it makes it hard for me to keep up with lucas! 09:18 magnuse bug 30742 09:18 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30742 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to stable , Confusion when placing hold on record with no items available because of not for loan 09:18 Joubu liliputech: you should not rebase yourself if it's not trivial 09:18 Joubu so asking the original author for a rebase is the way to go 09:18 liliputech thx Joubu, that's what I needed to hear :) 09:19 liliputech so, now going over to the next bz to backport :) 09:23 magnuse liliputech++ 10:26 oleonard o/ 11:02 magnuse \o 11:11 jase Hello 11:12 jase I would like to know current stable version of koha? 11:12 oleonard jase: The latest stable version is always highlighted on the Koha home page: https://koha-community.org/ 11:12 jase Now using koha 3.15. I want to update new stable vesrion. 11:13 oleonard Upgrading from such an old version will be more difficult than usual. 11:13 jase I can see that 22.05 11:14 jase Do you have any other suggestion? 11:14 marcelr o/ 11:22 magnuse "When you use the basic license, the Elasticsearch security features are disabled by default." hmmm... 11:22 marcelr hash- or arrayref expected (not a simple scalar, use allow_nonref to allow this) at /usr/share/koha/opac/opac-search.pl line 564 11:24 oleonard jase: Don't be too alarmed about the jump from 3 to 22, we changed Koha's numbering convention at one point to start following a year/month pattern. But your version is still quite old. 11:26 marcelr Commit 71f54a75713c5d5a6acfbdd3fefe1166ea0efafd 11:26 marcelr - $pasarParams .= '&query=' . uri_escape_utf8($query); + $pasarParams .= '&query=' . uri_escape_utf8(encode_json($query)); 11:26 marcelr a simple opac search already crashes on master 11:27 oleonard jase: I'm not an expert so I don't want to recommend any particular resource, but searching the web for "koha upgrade from 3" or something similar might help. In broad terms, you'll want to export your existing Koha database and import it into a new up-to-date Koha installation 11:46 magnuse tried to set up elasticsearch on ubuntu, and it pretty much just worked. now trying on debian, but can't get search to work, and seeing warnings about security not being configured in the logs. anyone got some pro tips? 11:53 oleonard magnuse: Maybe kidclamp owes you a favor for something? 11:53 magnuse hehe, i doubt it 11:54 oleonard magnuse: kidclamp may not remember it because he took quite a blow to the head, but you did save him from that wild boar attack in Marseille that one time. 11:54 marcelr bug 30925 11:54 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30925 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Cannot create public lists in OPAC or staff ? 11:55 magnuse oleonard: ah yes, that is true! 11:56 oleonard marcelr: Seems to work for me 11:56 marcelr current master 11:57 oleonard Yes 11:57 marcelr by adding items from detail 11:57 marcelr to a new list 11:57 oleonard Oh, sorry I checked without reading. I didn't test that. 11:59 magnuse huh, /cgi-bin/koha/admin/searchengine/elasticsearch/mappings.pl says Index 'koha_vaggeryd' needs to be recreated. 12:01 Joubu marcelr: seems to work for me 12:02 marcelr it occurs when adding items to a new list 12:02 Joubu opac-detail.pl > "save to your lists" > add to new list "foo" private > save 12:02 marcelr via addbybiblionumber 12:02 Joubu the new list is created 12:02 marcelr it is private 12:02 marcelr but i want a public one / check allowpubliclistcreation 12:03 Joubu ok, creating a public list will create a private list 12:03 marcelr yep 12:03 marcelr i will refine the title 12:03 Joubu your bug report was missing some info ;) 12:04 marcelr bug 30925 12:04 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30925 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Creating public list by adding items to new list creates a private list 12:05 Joubu var "category" is not retrieved from opac/opac-addbybiblionumber.pl... 12:06 Joubu Bug 28959: (follow-up) Adjust all places in which 'category' was used 12:06 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28959 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, virtualshelves.category is really a boolean 12:06 marcelr hmm another suspect found? 12:07 Joubu -my $category = $query->param('category'); 12:07 marcelr i was looking for a public= parameter 12:07 Joubu +my $public = $query->param('public'); 12:07 Joubu but it does not modify the template... 12:08 marcelr 21.11 12:13 kidclamp magnuse - I vaguely remember having to configure security out of the box - add the following in elasticsearch.yml: xpack.security.enabled: false 12:13 kidclamp https://discuss.elastic.co/t/how-to-disable-kibana-security-warning-message/274421 12:14 magnuse kidclamp: ok, thanks 12:14 magnuse i think maybe i was trying the wrong version, should it be 6? 12:14 * kidclamp nods 12:15 magnuse ...as described here? https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian#Elasticsearch 12:17 kidclamp that looks right, but wizzyrea does most of the installs now, I just ask her to make magic :-) 12:17 oleonard-away wizzyrea: Hidden wizard 12:18 Joubu marcelr: so the last patch on bug 30813 is not correct, do you agree with that? 12:18 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30813 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Passed QA , Refactor TransformMarcToKoha to remove TransformMarcToKohaOneField 12:19 FlorianB Hello koha people 12:19 magnuse kidclamp: thanks 12:20 marcelr Joubu whats wrong with the last patch? i just say do not import any names just require the module since i am calling it 12:20 FlorianB Joobu: Regarding the bug 3544, can you give me the field where you used the upload plugin? 12:20 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3544 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Value builder plug-ins don't work with repeatable subfields 12:20 Joubu marcelr: Sorry but... please explicitely list the subroutines you will be using in the scripts/modules 12:20 Joubu third time 12:20 Joubu not sure why you are telling me I don't understand what you meant 12:20 Joubu don't use Module qw(); 12:21 Joubu the point of 17600 is to clean the imports and list the subroutines 12:21 Joubu for import cleaning purpose 12:21 Joubu and not have unecessary use statements 12:21 Joubu I am done now :) 12:21 marcelr ok ok 12:21 liliputech hi, for things i've decided not to backport (like big enhancement patch such as 30055) shall i update bugzilla status to resolved fixed? 12:22 marcelr Joubu in that case the previous patches needs adjustment; since they are calling a routine prefixed with C4:: etc 12:22 marcelr i just changed use Module; to use Module qw(); to state explicitly that we were not importing anything 12:22 marcelr so the problem is before that 12:23 marcelr iirc we still have some strange circular stuff where we 'solved' it with adding such prefixes too 12:24 Joubu Yes, you don't have to import, it will work if you are using the full namespace, but I suggested to have them anyway in the use statements for cleaning purpose 12:24 marcelr right i will adjust the report 12:24 Joubu cleaning and readability. You open the file and now directly what you will be doing with the file 12:24 Joubu no need to search for you package in the file 12:25 marcelr as you notice, we will have a hard time keeping it like that ;) 12:25 Joubu I am trying to keep it like that, and I thought I communicated enough about that change. Apparently not :) 12:26 marcelr communication is an art 12:39 marcelr Joubu: git grep -l -E 'use C4(::\w+)+;' has still 948 occurrences ;) 12:39 marcelr hits 12:40 liliputech pushing 6 commits to 21.11 :) 12:43 Joubu marcelr: C4::Context at least is not relevant 12:43 marcelr thats a good start 12:45 marcelr maybe we should still add a coding guideline too (or adjust PERL14) 12:46 marcelr about minimizing exports 12:48 tcohen hi all 12:48 tcohen I plan to migrate jenkins soon, anyone has objections? 12:49 tcohen there will be some downtime due to timezone stuffs with Chri 12:49 tcohen s 12:53 oleonard liliputech: Did someone answer you? I believe you're correct. If you don't backport, it's resolved fixed. 12:54 liliputech thx oleonard :) 12:54 marcelr tcohen++ 12:55 marcelr tcohen: opac search is broken on master for zebra 12:55 tcohen is it? 12:55 marcelr cant search nothing now 12:55 marcelr nada 12:55 * tcohen faints 12:56 marcelr nada,nada 12:56 * tcohen tries to remember how to start KTD 12:56 marcelr migrate it? 12:57 tcohen Waiting for the kid at a cafe, the mac has old docker images and is not loading KTD 12:57 tcohen heh 12:58 simon_ hi everyone! 12:58 oleonard Works for me marcelr 12:59 marcelr zebra only setup oleonard? 12:59 oleonard yes 12:59 tcohen commit 2da14cf8c10c2d5165220e6657b279b37aa02f81 12:59 tcohen Author: Nick Clemens <nick@bywatersolutions.com> 12:59 tcohen Date: Thu Apr 14 12:20:09 2022 +0000 12:59 tcohen Bug 30528: Process limits before handling CCL query 12:59 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30528 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to master , Limits are not correctly parsed when query contains CCL 12:59 tcohen that's the only recent change 13:00 tcohen and queries certainly worked for me 13:00 simon_ i may have found ab bug: do the acquisiton and the subscription intranet detail tab work for you in 21.11? 13:00 marcelr Bug 30844 13:00 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30844 minor, P5 - low, ---, kevin.carnes, Pushed to master , The OPAC detail page's browser is limited to the current page of results when using Elasticsearch 13:00 marcelr commit 71f54a75713c5d5a6acfbdd3fefe1166ea0efafd 13:01 oleonard simon_: Do they simply not appear or is there some other symptom? 13:01 simon_ the tab is there, but no content 13:01 tcohen anyone experiencing this? 13:01 tcohen koha-koha-1 | Running [sudo koha-shell kohadev -p -c 'PERL5LIB=/Users/tcohen/perl5/lib/:/Users/tcohen/git/koha perl /kohadevbox/misc4dev/populate_db.pl -v --opac-base-url http://kohadev.myDNSname.org:8080 --intranet-base-url http://kohadev-intra.myDNSname.org:8081 --marcflavour MARC21']... 13:01 tcohen koha-koha-1 | Can't locate C4/Installer.pm in @INC (you may need to install the C4::Installer module) (@INC contains: /Users/tcohen/perl5/lib/ /Users/tcohen/git/koha /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.32.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.32.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.32 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.32 /usr/share/perl/5.32 13:01 tcohen /usr/local/lib/site_perl) at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/populate_db.pl line 25 13:02 simon_ it seems there is a closing </div> missing for <div id="components"> in the detail.tt 13:03 oleonard simon_: That is a known bug. Bug 30721 13:03 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 13:03 oleonard The fix has not been backported yet. 13:03 simon_ ah ok cool, thx 13:03 simon_ i am really bad at finding bugs in bugzilla it seems 13:04 oleonard simon_: It took me a couple tries even though I'm the one who filed it! 13:05 kidclamp marcelr: search working for me on master 13:05 simon_ ;) 13:06 marcelr ok kidclamp 13:06 wahanui i heard kidclamp was the guy with an amazing moustache 13:06 oleonard wahanui: And let it never not be true 13:06 wahanui oleonard: i'm not following you... 13:06 oleonard wahanui: You should follow me on Twitter 13:06 wahanui oleonard: sorry... 13:11 oleonard_ Thanks power blip. 13:14 oleonard_ I wonder if one should not be able to have no cash register set when cash registers are enabled 13:15 oleonard_ If it shouldn't be possible to have no cash register set, we should require that a default cash register be defined for each branch 13:16 oleonard_ Either way it would be nice to be able to set a default cash register from the library edit interface as well. 13:17 alohabot 🎠🮠Koha '21.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸ¬ðŸ˜ðŸ¥– 13:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D10 build #103: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D10/103/ 13:18 oleonard ashimema around? 13:19 liliputech yay \o/ 13:19 liliputech @seen ashimema 13:19 huginn liliputech: ashimema was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 28 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: * ashimema is out today so won't be around much. 13:19 tcohen marcelr, kidclamp with QueryAutoTruncate, searching for '*' returns no results 13:19 tcohen QueryAutoTruncate=off 13:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U20 build #89: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U20/89/ 13:27 magnuse "elasticsearch.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'" yeah, that's really helpful 13:28 cait1 liliputech: coudl you have a look at backproting bug 30721? pushed in May, maybe it was missed earlier on 13:28 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 13:33 cait1 ashimema said he was not around today 13:33 cait1 earlier :) 13:38 oleonard Yes but now *I'M* asking ;) 13:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U22 build #23: SUCCESS in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U22/23/ 13:53 kidclamp tomas hasn't that always been the case? 13:53 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 13:53 wahanui Congratulations! 13:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D11 build #115: FIXED in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D11/115/ 13:53 liliputech cait1: sure, I'll have a look! 13:53 tcohen kidclamp: is it correct? 13:54 tcohen the report mentioned that querying for '*' worked but browsing next results didn't 13:55 kidclamp in zebra * returns nothing, in ES it should return everything 13:55 tcohen you say we are not translating '*' to the right query in zebra 13:57 kidclamp on something else, will check that report again, I missed that link 13:57 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D9 build #81: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D9/81/ 14:01 cait1 tcohen: * never worked in Zebra 14:05 FlorianB Hi again, had to step away from the computer, I think my earlier question got drowned in other discussions 14:05 FlorianB Joobu: Regarding the bug 3544, can you give me the field where you used the upload plugin? 14:05 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3544 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Value builder plug-ins don't work with repeatable subfields 14:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U18 build #93: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U18/93/ 14:09 Joubu FlorianB: 856$u 14:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D12 build #76: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D12/76/ 14:10 Joubu FlorianB: https://snipboard.io/TKkJBp.jpg 14:16 FlorianB Thanks! 14:19 tcohen cait1: thats' a shame 14:28 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30850: DBRev 22.06.00.002 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=19068801ef6fc4847de426ef764bc32f98c4856e> 14:28 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30923: Remove EXPERIMENTAL mark on RESTOAuth2ClientCredentials <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=556a910021883e4d27d499747559dc2ee102ce05> 14:28 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30899: Correct dbrev 211200041 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=129e353685f0e0a7552a03c771924012d7890c6b> 14:28 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30850: (QA follow-up) Cosmetic changes to atomic update <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33df93f4c0190949d7f7f72b7ed12f220fa92cd1> 14:28 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30850: dbrev to inform existing users of the mapping change <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e0f1f666a88526a20cf0f3c52aec3e9b31501d02> 14:28 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30850: Add default mapping for biblio.author to 110$a (MARC21) <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea3a5b37c15b51dcc3700f4b1c01801d1334de84> 14:28 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30738: Log warnings for background MARC import <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d8d9321e800e0ccfda895a9060b2800947982e8> 14:29 caroline @later tell davidnind do you mind if I merge a couple of requests in the manual? 14:29 huginn caroline: The operation succeeded. 14:30 Joubu oleonard: bug 8694 - did you test the patch? 14:30 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8694 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Failed QA , Show accurate subscription renewal warning for expired subscriptions 14:32 oleonard I don't remember, I just remember that I was seeing the bug happen. I can try your patch (again?) if that would help 14:34 liliputech cait1: just pushed 30721 to 21.11.x :) 14:34 oleonard liliputech++ 14:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D9 build #82: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D9/82/ 14:37 cait1 liliputech: thx! 14:38 cait1 tcohen: in Zebra you say: allrecords,AlwaysMatches="" 14:38 cait1 ... I guess that doesn't make things much better 14:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D12 build #77: ABORTED in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D12/77/ 14:45 liliputech jenkins server move on it's way? 14:46 tcohen not yet 14:46 tcohen will do a test first 14:46 tcohen some workers won't be available due to the IP change 14:47 tcohen I'm moving it to a dockerized setup on https://portainer.koha-community.org 14:47 liliputech hum, them why did my last run got aborted? errors on the branch? hope not :( 14:47 liliputech tcohen: nice! 14:47 tcohen right now only api.koha-community.org is running on that portainer setup 14:48 tcohen any service we want to run can be set there 14:48 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🥜ðŸ¥ðŸ£ 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: (QA follow-up) Adjust three use statements <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1334e89ed0013d38fb10e134f46268384b239144> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: (follow-up) Correct C4::Breeding call <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f10ee6df0c1f0dbe99900da4e0d9ed29d29a42f> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: (follow-up) ImportBatch updates <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ef845aa682f69a4fce3e1ad099a2cd60a4299cf8> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: Remove Koha::MetadataRecord::getKohaField <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=69984391e4323e6e50206a72e46e71e136e11272> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: Remove TransformMarcToKohaOneField <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f36a3a6ba9fb890717facf25b77f5e9ae2684f5> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: Adjust TransformMarcToKoha to take kohafields parameter <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=29b62b63a37bdab8f66010bebbc4e44e8d8012e7> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: Update TransformMarcToKoha to accept a hashref <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee669178f698ad35ce6a38ae487ca0ebd06b6911> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30789: Improve performance of AddBiblio <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=24c4b408ff724bfe3dd19a46ad001188aafd4350> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30807: Migrate to patron-title in pay and paycollect <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3fd42b5507af58d0f12a2bb36f3fb62df54865d> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30806: Migrate to patron-title in member-flags <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b460db131f83e361788d53b3a101565eab302db> 14:52 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27519: Normalize Show/Don't show in system preferences <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed81d6bac6db499412a22f20ac45003da1aab0b1> 14:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D12 build #78: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D12/78/ 14:54 koha-jenkins oleonard: Bug 30721: Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 14:54 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 14:58 cait1 bye #koha1 14:58 tcohen bye cait 15:00 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:00 wahanui Congratulations! 15:00 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U20 build #90: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U20/90/ 15:00 koha-jenkins oleonard: Bug 30721: Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:00 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:02 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30508: Do not display OPAC message about block from holds when OPACHoldRequests... <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f47027a574f936f1f95d0bc1860e47524430e95> 15:02 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 29312: Remove unnecessary dot <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d491b15c55804500a96ae7065d459d6b84126069> 15:02 AnneP Hello, I have just installed koha and I have a problem to change Koha to MARC mapping. Is this the place to ask that kind of question ? 15:03 oleonard Yes AnneP 15:03 alohabot 🎠🨠Koha '21.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸðŸ¥¨ðŸ¥– 15:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D10 build #104: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D10/104/ 15:09 koha-jenkins oleonard: Bug 30721: Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:09 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:15 AnneP Thanks oleonard. (sorry for my english, I'm french). When I import a new record, it doesn't work : the match is not made. So I went to this page : change Koha to marc mapping. It is surprising to me that so few of the fields are filled in! And for example, in the line biblio.abstract, I click "add" and put : 520,a but nothing happens 15:16 oleonard AnneP: No apologies necessary for your English, this is an international group. There are usually at least one or two French-speakers around actually. 15:17 oleonard AnneP: Did you do the step in the note on that page? "you must ask your administrator to run misc/batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl" 15:18 caroline I was going to ask, when you say "nothing happens", does that mean that the page does not reflect the change? 15:20 AnneP Caroline : yes the page does not reflect the change. 15:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D11 build #116: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D11/116/ 15:20 koha-jenkins oleonard: Bug 30721: Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:20 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:21 AnneP Oleanard : when I run ./batchRebuildBiblioTables.pl I got some problems such as : unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 170. and DBIx::Class::Storage::DBI::catch {...} (): DBI Connection failed: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Database.pm line 61. at /usr/share/koha/lib/Koha/Database.pm line 139 15:23 caroline It's weird that there is nothing... usually there are default values and 520$a is already in biblio.abstract afaik 15:23 caroline I would check the logs the see if anything happens when you click 'Ok' to add the field 15:23 caroline Also, the fact that koha-conf.xml is not found is a problem in itself 15:24 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🌮ðŸ¥ðŸ¥ 15:38 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U18 build #94: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U18/94/ 15:38 koha-jenkins oleonard: Bug 30721: Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:38 wahanui Congratulations! 15:38 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:40 AnneP Caroline : I don't understand either why I don't have default values... I looked at access.log and error.log (I'm not sure if it was the logs that should have been looked at) and nothing seems interesting. 15:41 caroline do you have an intranet-error.log? 15:41 oleonard AnneP: caroline is right that a koha-conf.xml error might be the root of many problems 15:43 liliputech evening koha 15:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_U22 build #24: SUCCESS in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_U22/24/ 15:44 koha-jenkins oleonard: Bug 30721: Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:44 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30721 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Markup error in detail page's component parts tab 15:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D12 build #79: SUCCESS in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D12/79/ 15:45 AnneP Caroline : thanks, I have this in intranet-error.log (but does not correspond to now) : [2022/06/08 08:24:39] [WARN] Error _processRow_DB C4::ImportExportFramework::_processRow_DB(): DBI Exception: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_biblio`.`marc_subfield_structure`, CONSTRAINT `marc_subfield_structure_ibfk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`authorised_value`) REFERENCES `authorised_ 15:46 oleonard AnneP: How did you install Koha? 15:46 caroline It might be related because the mappings are based on the framework. If the frameworks aren't correctly installed, the mappings might not be functional 15:48 AnneP this page : cgi-bin/koha/admin/checkmarc.pl doesn't work (error 500). Perhaps the best thing to do is to reinstall koha ? 15:49 oleonard I think maybe so. 15:49 oleonard Watch carefully for any errors that show up during installation 15:49 AnneP Oleonard : i follow https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#Create_a_Koha_instance (someone else has installed koha with the linux package) 15:53 AnneP How can I uninstall koha properly? 15:55 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-remove 16:00 AnneP Thanks olenard and caroline. Bye 16:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #948: FAILURE in 20 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/948/ 16:17 reiveune bye 16:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #429: UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/429/ 16:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1996: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1996/ 16:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #2051: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/2051/ 16:42 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 30813: (follow-up) Fix tests import <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5e8dccb671caa7dbff68461661935ecc253dae21> 16:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #863: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/863/ 17:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #84: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/84/ 17:15 alohabot 🎠🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo ðŸ°ðŸœðŸ¢ 17:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #158: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/158/ 17:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #674: UNSTABLE in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/674/ 17:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_21.11_D9 build #83: SUCCESS in 1 hr 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_21.11_D9/83/ 17:53 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U20 build #430: FIXED in 1 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/430/ 17:53 wahanui Congratulations! 17:54 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:54 wahanui Congratulations! 17:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #949: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/949/ 17:59 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:59 wahanui Congratulations! 17:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #864: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/864/ 18:30 tcohen marcelr: stop breaking the tests, please :-P 18:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #675: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/675/ 18:40 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:40 wahanui Congratulations! 18:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #2052: FIXED in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/2052/ 18:47 tcohen c'mon green jenkins 18:48 tuxayo Hi #koha :) 18:48 tuxayo Reminder: meeting in 2h 18:58 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 18:58 wahanui Congratulations! 18:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U22 build #85: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U22/85/ 19:06 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 19:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1997: FIXED in 1 hr 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1997/ 19:06 wahanui Congratulations! 19:13 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 19:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D12 build #159: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/159/ 19:13 wahanui Congratulations! 19:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #950: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest/950/ 19:36 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 19:36 wahanui Congratulations! 19:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #676: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/676/ 19:48 caroline Bug 27212 affects the table in which page? the 'all available funds' here? https://staff-caroline.sandbox.bywatersolutions.com/cgi-bin/koha/acqui/acqui-home.pl 19:48 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27212 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, RESOLVED FIXED, Add column configuration to the acquisitions home page 19:50 caroline I'm asking bc I don't see the 'Columns' button and the table settings don't affect 'all available funds', but it's the only table I see in acqui-home, so I'm a bit lost 19:56 tuxayo Reminder: meeting in 1h 20:33 liliputech hi koha (for 2nd time of the day) 20:50 tuxayo meeting in 10 min! 20:51 tuxayo rmain- wait, the list is likely out of date 20:52 cait here :) 20:53 liliputech here :) 20:53 tcohen here-ish 20:56 tuxayo meeting in 4 min! 20:56 tuxayo rmaints? 20:56 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 20:56 tuxayo qa_team? 20:56 wahanui qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu 20:56 tuxayo botsnack wahanui 20:57 tuxayo wahanui botsnack cookie 20:57 wahanui :) 20:57 tuxayo :D 20:59 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 8 June 2022 20:59 huginn Meeting started Wed Jun 8 20:59:53 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:59 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:59 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_8_june_2022' 21:00 tuxayo #topic Introductions 21:00 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 21:00 tuxayo #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo VoG, France 21:00 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Cordoba, Argentina 21:01 liliputech #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France 21:01 cait hm if there are on more people we should decide something radical again :) 21:01 tuxayo rmaints? 21:01 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 21:01 tuxayo qa_team? 21:01 wahanui qa_team is, like, cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu 21:01 mtj #info mason james, nz 21:02 mtj hi peeps 21:02 tuxayo hi ^^ 21:02 tuxayo cait: what was the last radical decision? ^^ 21:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:02 cait version numbering 21:03 tuxayo :o 21:03 liliputech any link to last meeting's minutes? :-' 21:04 tcohen rewrite the project in Rust 21:04 tuxayo RM said it, let's do it! 21:04 liliputech Whut?! ><' 21:04 tuxayo https://www.arewewebyet.org/ 21:04 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 21:05 tuxayo liliputech: meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_25_may_2022.2022-05-25-14.01.log.html 21:05 tuxayo https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_25_may_2022.2022-05-25-14.01.html 21:05 liliputech thx tuxayo! 21:06 liliputech oh, I was there :) 21:06 davidnind #info David Nind, New Zealand 21:06 tuxayo #topic Announcements 21:07 tuxayo Anything to announce that doesn't fit the other points in the agenda? 21:07 tuxayo #link https://koha-community.org/koha-22-05-released Koha 22.05 released 21:07 tuxayo 🎉 21:08 liliputech BibLibre is having a internal camp last week of june, hopefully a good time to make a bugsquashing day with french librarians ? 21:08 liliputech from 27 of june up to 1st of july 21:09 cait no bad times for bug squashing 21:09 cait and early enough in the release for some big bugs too :) 21:09 liliputech tuxayo: if you're around, you should come over to Breteuil I guess :) 21:09 liliputech cait: any bugs you can think of? 21:09 tuxayo I wanted to do patch-testing sessions with french librarian like they do for translations. Great you had the same idea at BibLibre :D 21:10 cait #info Biblibre is having an internal camp from 27 of june up to 1st of july 21:10 tuxayo #info Need signoff queue is 250, help needed 21:10 davidnind #info Call for proposals for KohaCon22 closed on Friday 3rd June https://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/#tab2 - approximately 21 submissions received 21:10 tuxayo liliputech: many ideas ↑ 21:10 cait liliputech: if you ask me when the date is closer, i can probably give some hints 21:11 davidnind NSO queue at 243 at the moment... 21:11 cait thanks to you in large parts :) 21:11 tuxayo > 21 submissions 21:11 tuxayo cool 21:11 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti 21:11 liliputech cait: I know we are interested in community work on grouped-holds and calendar holds at BibLibre, and other contributors also have solutions on this. 21:12 davidnind I had it down to 235, but it has no crept up (better than the over 300 it was a few months ago I think...) 21:12 tuxayo davidnind++ 21:13 davidnind but everyone has been signing off on things, we keep adding things to it :-D 21:13 fridolin it is alive ! ^^ 21:13 liliputech davidnind: that's a good thing! 21:13 tuxayo anything else to announce? 21:14 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) 21:14 tuxayo tcohen: ðŸŽ™ï¸ 21:14 tuxayo *22.11 21:16 tuxayo It's after work hours in Argentina I guess, so tcohen might not be available continuously. Maybe they will come back latter in the meeting. 21:16 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 21:16 tuxayo rmaints? 21:16 wahanui rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo 21:18 liliputech lukeg: you go first maybe since u'r the upest-stream? 21:18 tuxayo #info last release of 20.11 went well. I haven't touched 21.05, I will have some catch up on it. 21:19 tuxayo Likely lukeg isn't there so go liliputech 21:20 liliputech #info keeping up with 22.05.x branch, first time doing a release. hope all is going to be well. 21:20 fridolin We see a few backports on https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/commits/branch/22.05.x 21:21 liliputech #info I will be afk for the whole next week, 21.11.07 might be a little delayed. 21:21 * tuxayo sent a last minute meeting reminder to the folks at Catalyst, last time it worked (last time I forgot to tell them in the 1st place there was a meeting at a good time for Oceania ^^") 21:22 tuxayo liliputech: thanks for the info, no problem, the release can wait a few days. 21:22 tuxayo Did you check you have all the accesses though? Like on the website to post the release announcement. 21:23 liliputech tuxayo: verified my access to git repo (working) and manage the backports so far but may need some training on other tasks 21:23 tuxayo That + ssh for download.koha-community.org 21:24 liliputech is that in the wiki? didn't read all through maybe. seen that string freeze is on 15 and release on 22 (generally speaking). 21:24 liliputech (or forgot...) 21:25 tuxayo liliputech: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_maintenance#Initial_setup 21:25 rangi[m] sorry, sorta here 21:25 tuxayo hi :) 21:26 tuxayo liliputech: Follow this to be sure you have the right access. Because some can take a few days because only one person has the rights. 21:26 fridolin liliputech: we can meet to see how goes the backport and also for first release 21:26 tuxayo #action tuxayo add requesting access for ssh access for download.koha-community.org in Initial_setup of rmaint doc 21:26 liliputech focused on git, got to catchup my training on everything else. thx for the alert tuxayo! thx fridolin for the meeting proposal :) 21:27 tuxayo moving on? 21:27 tuxayo yw liliputech 21:28 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team 21:28 tuxayo qa_team? 21:28 wahanui i guess qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu 21:28 cait QA queue is a little high right now, focusing on bugs right now 21:28 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT 21:28 alexbuckley apologies for the late arrival! 21:28 cait 17 bugs waiting for QA atm 21:28 tuxayo hi :) 21:29 alexbuckley :) 21:29 * fridolin made its first passed QA and first failed QA 21:29 fridolin still warming up 21:29 cait we have a great team for this cycle and looking forward to see things moving smoothly 21:29 tuxayo Ah yes, focusing on bugs and not enhancements. 21:29 fridolin sure 21:29 cait yes, fridolin++ and aleisha++ too 21:29 tuxayo (17 bugs waiting) 21:30 cait for being 'new' on the team and QA'ing patches 21:30 fridolin focus on Recalls children bugs 21:31 tuxayo anything else? 21:31 wahanui anything else is necessarily going to be incremental. 21:32 tuxayo wise words about recalls indeed wahanui 21:32 cait hm nope 21:32 liliputech :) 21:33 davidnind #info Omnibus bug for recalls: Bug 29734 - [OMNIBUS] Recalls for Koha 21:33 tuxayo thanks 21:33 tuxayo #topic Status of roadmap projects 21:34 tuxayo #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap Roadmap 21:35 thd Finishing some scripts for wiki update testing. 21:35 fridolin cool 21:36 tuxayo #info Tomas in an email: «Feel free to comment there or add the things you plan to work on during this cycle. If there are already bugs filed, please add links to them as well.» 21:36 thd Difficult to catch two days of concentrated time with extra work. 21:37 mtj hi thd, shall we colab via irc to work on the wiki project? 21:39 aleisha sorry im so late!! 21:39 tuxayo no problem, hi :) 21:39 aleisha #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT Wellington New Zealand 21:39 fridolin great to see you ;) 21:40 * fridolin waves across ocean in direction to NZ 21:40 thd Sure mtj 21:40 aleisha :D 21:40 tuxayo #topic Actions from last meeting 21:40 tuxayo «fridolin audits major and critical bugs (new, assigned and need signoff) » 21:41 tuxayo I guess that was for the release ^^ 21:41 tuxayo #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 21:41 cait mtj++ 21:41 tuxayo #info «Status of the LTS release: It looks like we are no longer supporting 19.11, does this mean we have a new "LTS" version now or has the idea been dropped? (LTS workflow proposal)» 21:42 cait that one was from me 21:42 tuxayo 19.11 was never declared LTS last cycle, it's was like bonus ^^ 21:42 cait we had it as lts on the docs page 21:42 mtj thd, we have an element/matrix gateway to koha-irc too (if prefered) 21:42 cait and maybe some othe rspots 21:42 tuxayo :o 21:42 cait i noticed when updating 21:42 aleisha catalyst isn't maintaining it anymore 21:42 cait yes, that's ok 21:42 liliputech #info BibLibre deploys 21.11 to it's clients lately. 21:42 davidnind #info LTS workflow proposal https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/LTS_workflow_proposal 21:43 cait I think we had discussed to do 3 years and it was now 2.5 which is still pretty good. I liked the idea of an LTS and maybe we could decide what the next LTS to be would be? 21:43 tuxayo I advanced quite a bit on that document but at some point my brain exploded trying to find all the posibilites. 21:43 cait same here 21:44 fridolin we may define 21.11 as LTS if someone stiks to it 21:44 cait I fail to see which would be hte logical next one for an LTS 21:44 cait I think the oldstable would make sense 21:45 liliputech cait: oldstable is now 21.11? 21:45 tuxayo I having an LTS with 3 RMaint and leaving the possibility to upgrade every year. From XX.11 to XX.11 or XX.05 to XX.05 isn't possible 21:45 cait because stable is 22.05 21:45 aleisha i agree 21.11 would be a good one 21:45 tuxayo There need to be some restriction in the posibilites for instances admins 21:45 cait i think bws is also updating to 21.11 or preparing for it? 21:46 liliputech fridolin: when you mean getting someone stix to it, you mean the Rmaint should be same for the 3 coming years? 21:46 davidnind so maintained for 2.5 years, then oldstable at that time becomes the next LTS? Should be a specific role for LTS version? 21:46 cait i think you'd be Rmaint LTS :) 21:47 fridolin liliputech: its a discussion to have on how/who indeed 21:47 cait i think 2.5 would be ok too if that is how it comes out now 21:47 liliputech cait: who's that "you" you're talking about? 21:47 * liliputech looking other his shoulder, seeing no one ^^ 21:48 fridolin maybe a specific role that takes action when version is older than oldoldstable 21:48 davidnind liliputech: I don't think it means it should be the same person for 3 years - just that someone fills the role each cycle 21:48 fridolin +1 ^ 21:48 liliputech ok :) 21:48 cait ah :) we already have a 21.11 maint now 21:48 cait if no one signs up, I might be willing to put my hat in later on 21:48 davidnind over time, there should be fewer and fewer items to backport - apart from security bugs 21:49 tuxayo > specific role for LTS version 21:49 tuxayo Maybe that should be the way. Having a role because we struggle to find 3 Rmaints but actually LTS RMaint is much lighter than stable and oldstable 21:49 cait yes, I think in a year it's mostly watching for security bugs 21:49 liliputech i think it's good to have rolling roles for each individuals to get better overall knowledge and thoughts on the global process 21:49 cait I tihnk waht I meant to say is that it's an RMaint role like the others, but a little lighter as we gt more and more careful with the older versions 21:49 fridolin https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences show 21.11 has more than 2000 21:50 tuxayo > it's mostly watching for security bugs 21:50 tuxayo That and big tickets about compatibility, like to still work with a sported ElasticSearch version for example. 21:50 tuxayo In a sense, it's security also. 21:50 cait 19.11 has some 'peek' in the data too 21:51 cait yes 21:51 tuxayo peak? 21:51 cait api stuff like that, breaking changes 21:51 cait maybe peak 21:51 liliputech cait 21:52 cait yes? 21:52 wahanui yes is something different :) 21:52 liliputech breaking changes? in an LTS?! 21:52 cait someone makes a change in an api we support 21:52 cait so it stops working in the version 21:52 rangi[m] ie amazon change their bookcovers 21:52 cait yes 21:52 tuxayo Could the LTS have an irregular release schedule? Otherwise, most of the work is making releases empty of commits but with just translation update. 21:52 rangi[m] then yeah we would have to backport it 21:52 liliputech cait: ok, that kind of breaking change (not on our side that means :)) 21:53 cait i think if there is nothing, you don't release that month 21:53 cait maybe just put a note up in the wiki 21:53 liliputech rangi[m]: +1 21:53 rangi[m] 19.11 could still be lts if someone else wanted to take it over, there was nothign to release this month 21:53 cait and urgent security woudl trigger an out of schedule release as well 21:53 tuxayo Ah yes 21:54 tuxayo So LTS RMaint could be a very little commitment if one sticks only to security and big breaking issues and releases only when needed. 21:55 cait a watching role and maybe triggering devs to make patches fit the old version yes 21:56 fridolin like a wine-maker, looking at good millesimes ^^ 21:56 cait heh 21:56 davidnind so, (1) LTS = 2.5 to 3 years (2) oldstable (which is now 21.11) or 19.11? (3) LTS role for each cycle (4) Mandate = security + things that are broken (APIs (external), dependencies (such as Elasticsearch), etc) (5) Irregular release - only when something is needed 21:56 cait so... do we agree on making 21.11 the next one labelled LTS? 21:56 tuxayo Yes, there is this more spread out commitment that for the few patches, it might be more effort to backport so far in time. 21:56 liliputech agreed 21:57 cait devs should help with that, but RMaint can alert 21:57 davidnind cait: +1 21:57 cait for onw 21.11 will still be a normally maintained release... and it will age like good wine :) 21:57 tuxayo Yes, spread out as in falling to other people, the devs of the most critical patches 21:58 tuxayo that looks a great summary davidnind 21:58 liliputech davidnind: +1 21:58 cait mayve #info it? 21:58 liliputech #info Hello, 21:58 liliputech Les requêtes sont toujours de la forme : 21:58 liliputech https://websvc.afi-sa.net/afi_opac_services/main.php?auteur=Thom+Yorke&width=492&src=c4c56f81d3a566e7c11bf99f78591edc&api=2.0&action=7 21:59 liliputech Pour la table de correspondance entre la valeur du paramètre action et le type de donnée demandée au serveur de cache (vignette, bande-annonce, etc...): 21:59 liliputech https://git.afi-sa.net/afi/websvc/-/blob/master/php/fonctions/_define_services.php 21:59 liliputech Pour celle correspondant au types de doc (Document vidéo, livre, périodique), le README indique la correspondance : 21:59 tuxayo he he 21:59 liliputech https://git.afi-sa.net/afi/websvc/-/blob/master/README.md 21:59 liliputech yups... 21:59 tuxayo no objections to the summary, then: 21:59 cait maybe just to remove the19.11 21:59 tuxayo Ah 21:59 cait i think moving up now would be good 22:00 tuxayo Maybe we could call on koha-devel if someone would like to continue 19.11 following the above guidelines? 22:00 tuxayo Or just moving up 22:00 fridolin and at the same time recrute for 21.11 LTS 22:01 davidnind and add to mandate: only essential backports after it reaches ololdstable? 22:01 fridolin or we could fill that role in 1 year 22:01 cait but... we already have a recruit for 21.1 22:01 cait 1 22:01 cait no need now :) 22:01 fridolin yep i mean for 21.11 LTS 22:01 liliputech fridolin: time to choose when it becomes LTS :) 22:01 cait i think in one year, we just need to make sure, we continually have an Rmaint for it 22:01 tuxayo > and at the same time recrute for 21.11 LTS 22:01 tuxayo I guess you mean to advertise that in 11 months, it will be a need? 22:01 liliputech (that means, in a yr) 22:02 fridolin people maybe want now to know if it will be an LTS 22:02 cait I said I'd do it if needed, but secretly I hope it won't be much of an issue 22:02 fridolin like we know it for Ubuntu LTS 22:02 cait yes, advertise now 22:02 cait but i think we don't need to worry about having the RMaint for the full cycle righ tnow 22:02 fridolin they may choose this version instead of 22.05 22:03 cait we have liliputech for the next 6 months and then we go from there 22:03 tuxayo No need for 19.11, good, there are some changes with updatedabase format that could be tedious anyway 22:04 cait it's just a feeling - announcing a newer version LTS now might also give this some momentum 22:04 tuxayo Should we already mark on the website that 21.11 is LTS with the expected support timeframe? 22:04 cait I'd like that 22:04 cait not sure wher eto put it on the website... 22:04 liliputech I'll do my best :) I'll see if I'm willing to continue RMaint on LTS or oldstable later. have to discuss also within BibLibre what's best for us 22:05 cait at the moment it shows up here: https://koha-community.org/documentation/ 22:05 davidnind so TS version summary so far, (1) LTS = 2.5 to 3 years (2) Start with oldstable (which is now 21.11) (3) LTS role for each cycle (4) Mandate = security + things that are broken (APIs (external), dependencies (such as Elasticsearch), etc) + essential backports only once past oldoldstable (5) Irregular release - only when something is needed once past oldoldstable (6) Let everyone know what LTS is and what we mean for support (website, mail 22:05 davidnind ing list, manual section on supported versions, etc) 22:05 cait liliputech: sure! didn't meant ot tie you to it forever :) 22:06 davidnind so for such a long summary, hope haven't confiused things by adding oldoldstable 22:06 liliputech cait: maybe when i next release 21.11 i can advertise for this? 22:06 cait +1 22:06 * liliputech will try to keep that in mind 22:07 tuxayo So you will call it append LTS to 21.11 in the few relevant places? 22:07 liliputech tuxayo: +1 22:07 davidnind so for (3) to add LTS maintainer commitment is for the currently 6 monthly cycle 22:08 tuxayo I guess we can keep that 22:09 cait I think it doesn<'t need to be the same person all the tieme 22:09 davidnind shall I open a bug and include the summary and things we need to do, get feedback (for a short period) to refine, complete actions, and then update in the relevant places including sending to mailing list? 22:09 davidnind cait: that was what I was trying to reflect :) 22:09 cait sorry, late :) 22:10 cait it's late... 22:10 tuxayo davidnind: yes :D 22:10 davidnind cait++ 22:10 cait a bug might be a starting poitn for changing the wiki and such 22:10 cait and the website 22:10 wahanui i heard the website was updated 22:10 cait so this is an agreed right? 22:10 davidnind wahanui: LOL 22:10 wahanui davidnind: sorry... 22:10 tuxayo +1 to ask if there are eventual objections/amendements in the list 22:10 davidnind +1 22:10 * fridolin has to leave in 10min 22:10 cait .... does that count as a radical decision being made? :) 22:11 cait probably not 22:11 tuxayo yes, I was thinking about that XD 22:11 davidnind #action davidnind to create bug to summarise discussions and next steps for LTS version of Koha 22:11 tuxayo So no changes in the website and wiki for now 22:11 cait if we want to ask for objections it needs to be via mailing list 22:11 cait bugs don't get seen 22:11 tuxayo #info LTS version summary 22:12 tuxayo #info (1) LTS = 2.5 to 3 years (2) Start with oldstable (which is now 21.11) (3) LTS role for each cycle (4) Mandate = security + things that are broken (APIs (external), dependencies (such as Elasticsearch), etc) + essential backports only once past oldoldstable 22:12 tuxayo #info (5) Irregular release - only when something is needed once past oldoldstable (6) Let everyone know what LTS is and what we mean for support (website, mailing list, manual section on supported versions, etc) 22:12 liliputech shall i still advertise in next release? 22:12 cait so we should either ask on ML or make the changes 22:12 tuxayo davidnind: also advertise the ticket you open in the mailing list? 22:13 davidnind will do 22:13 liliputech we have to fix a deadline for NOGO response, otherwise you may get some late NOGO's (too bad for them?) 22:14 liliputech or mail is for advertisement, not for a vote? 22:14 tuxayo People are starting to get their annual leave so wait a few weeks if we want to be conservative? 22:14 cait deadlines always help to not have things get stuck 22:14 davidnind maybe for next 21.11 release indicate that it is proposed that 21.11 becomes the first(next?) LTS release - confirm or otherwise at next development meeting? 22:15 cait we can announce and deadline would be next dev meeting? 22:15 davidnind +1 22:15 liliputech ok for me 22:15 cait ook all mapped out:) 22:16 cait time to sleep :) 22:16 liliputech yup 22:16 tuxayo see ya 22:16 cait bye #koha :) 22:16 tuxayo #action davidnind request feedback for the above on the mailing list with next dev meeting (two weeks from now) as a deadline 22:16 tuxayo LTS topic wrapped up, right? 22:16 liliputech yep 22:16 davidnind yep 22:17 davidnind ...until the next time we discuss it 22:17 liliputech next time meeting? 22:18 tuxayo #topic Gitlab policy changes, register Koha as an Open Source project proper? 22:18 tuxayo no over yet ^^" 22:18 tuxayo #info see email discussion: https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2022-May/047081.html 22:18 fridolin i bet we need Tomas for that 22:19 davidnind Defer to next meeting or go with consensus from mailing list discussion - which seemed to be apply 22:19 tuxayo #action tuxayo postpone topic Gitlab policy changes 22:19 tuxayo #topic bug Some highlights 22:20 tuxayo #topic Some bug highlights 22:20 tuxayo bug 28267 22:20 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28267 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha-common package upgrade problem from 20.05.xx to 20.11.04-1 22:20 tuxayo Oh, I should looks at that 22:20 tuxayo bug 30907 22:20 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30907 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , List of checkouts won't load if item is recalled 22:20 fridolin the number of >= major is huge 22:20 liliputech from what i read : it can't be any of the koha service provider doing the action (non-profit). +do we actually use features advertised by gitlab in this program? 22:20 aleisha i can try and prioritise some 22:20 fridolin i've higlighted some critical ones 22:21 tuxayo bug 30899 22:21 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=30899 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to master , Upgrade sometimes fails at "Upgrade to 21.11.05.004" 22:21 fridolin if anyone can also walk to double check 22:21 liliputech that last one i will definitly have to backport 22:21 tuxayo liliputech: 30899 might be for interest for you 22:22 liliputech that's what he said :) 22:22 fridolin yep its a hot backport one ;) 22:22 tuxayo «it can't be any of the koha service provider doing the action (non-profit)» 22:22 tuxayo I feel we don't belong in the non-profit program, I'll say in the list. 22:22 davidnind liliputech: I think it is mainly the CD/CI minutes that we need, it would be the Koha Community applying 22:23 tuxayo thanks aleisha 22:23 liliputech davidnind: ok 22:23 tuxayo «do we actually use features advertised by gitlab in this program?» 22:23 tuxayo All our docker images are built by that IIUC 22:23 fridolin liliputech: looks like you may cherry-pick the commits from 22.05.x, they look identic to patches 22:23 tuxayo On every push on a stable branch, all the images for many OSes are built 22:23 liliputech davidnind: isnt the ci/cd handled by jenkins? 22:24 * fridolin has to go, have a nice day/night/between 22:24 tuxayo see ya 22:24 liliputech fridolin: waves 22:24 tuxayo liliputech: jenkins runs the tests but it uses the image built by GitLab CI 22:24 liliputech tuxayo: ok 22:25 davidnind liliputech: don't know, the manual needs the minutes (takes about 45 mins to 1 hour for each commit, unless we change to doing at set times) 22:25 liliputech 'kay 22:25 tuxayo Ah I forgot the manual 22:26 davidnind unless someone wants to setup and maintain a gitlab stack! 22:27 tuxayo Or find and instance that has CI and that could accept us for some money each month. 22:27 tuxayo *an instance 22:27 liliputech actually, some BibLibre's partner do host a gitlab instance :) and they use ci/cd. I don't know if they pay smthg for it though. 22:27 liliputech (AFI) 22:28 tuxayo that could be plan! 22:28 tuxayo Or hopefully hosting the CI isn't as hard as hosting a whole GitLab and we still have the repos on gitlab.com and the CI runs elsewhere. 22:28 davidnind should we set the time for the next meeting, and continue the discussion about GitLab on the mailing list until the next meeting? 22:28 tuxayo I think you can host your own running. 22:28 tuxayo ok 22:29 tuxayo #Set time of next meeting 22:29 liliputech hum. that must be discussed internally + that would make Koha depends on a single service provider... 22:29 liliputech I will discuss the matter with the team :) 22:29 liliputech (I mean the team hosting the gitlab instance) 22:30 davidnind I think the Koha Communities approach is to generally use free and open source software, or be able to "easily" run it ourselves if things "turn to custard" 22:30 davidnind ..Community's 22:30 tuxayo About the meeting in two week for Europe and Americas work hours, let's do the 22th then? 22:30 davidnind liliputech++ 22:30 davidnind +1 22:30 liliputech Being part of gitlab opensource program may also bring some visibility and new fellow devs :) 22:31 liliputech er... can't be there on the 22th... will be in my afk week :( 22:31 tuxayo About the meeting in 4 weeks for Oceania and Americas work hours, the 6th of july and same hour? (21 UTC) 22:31 liliputech ok for the one on 6th july 22:32 thd Be careful that Gitlab service can bring in some features which are not free software when you do not self host Gitlab. 22:32 tuxayo +1 22:32 liliputech +1 22:32 tuxayo gitlab.com isn't the libre version 22:33 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 22 June 2022, 14 UTC 22:33 * liliputech keep in mind to discuss koha hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. 22:33 davidnind apart from the CD/CI minutes, I don't think we use any of the subscription only features 22:33 tuxayo #action liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manuall build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. 22:34 tuxayo I've noted to set the same hour for meeting in 4 weeks. 22:34 tuxayo So we are done :) 22:34 tuxayo #endmeeting 22:34 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jun 8 22:34:43 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 22:34 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_8_june_2022.2022-06-08-20.59.html 22:34 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_8_june_2022.2022-06-08-20.59.txt 22:34 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_8_june_2022.2022-06-08-20.59.log.html 22:34 tuxayo thanks all for attending :) 22:34 liliputech thk! 22:35 liliputech good night :) 22:35 tuxayo liliputech: «Being part of gitlab opensource program may also bring some visibility and new fellow devs :)» really? 22:35 davidnind tuxayo++ 22:35 tuxayo Isn't it just about having paid feature for free? 22:35 aleisha tuxayo++ 22:36 davidnind maybe we should still have the meeting in the next 2 weeks - but defer any items that need liliputech's input? 22:36 tuxayo «that would make Koha depends on a single service provider...» 22:36 tuxayo it's already a lot the case https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Website_Administration 22:37 tuxayo davidnind: yes, if liliputech hasn't followed up on the mailing list, I'll defer to the meeting after. 22:37 davidnind i the worst case scenario "we" could sit up a GitLab instance using the open source version, as well as things needed for CD/CI 22:37 tuxayo > maybe we should still have the meeting in the next 2 weeks 22:37 tuxayo It's planned. 22 June 2022, 14 UTC 22:38 davidnind sorry, I misunderstood - having every 2 weeks keeps the momentum going... 22:39 tuxayo alternating between Oceania-Americas and Americas-Europe cause that people can only attend a meeting every 4 weeks. 22:39 tuxayo But they can still read the logs and leave stuff in the agenda for the meetings they can't attend. 22:39 davidnind the main things with the tools we use (as long as we have backups) is that we can move to a new service provider if things aren't working 22:41 davidnind we can all stay awake 24 hours :-D, but there is generally not a good sweet spot for meetings internationally that accommodates all contributors - moving around is the compromise 22:41 tuxayo Having someone taking the time to solicit every hoster of out self hosted stuff to inspect the backup could be a good thing ^^ 22:42 tuxayo *our self hosted stuff 22:42 davidnind probably a good community governance thing - ideally we should have no single point of failure... 22:44 tuxayo Indeed, I will raise the question of checking the backups. 22:45 tuxayo > there is generally not a good sweet spot for meetings internationally that accommodates all contributors 22:45 tuxayo Damn round earth! 22:45 davidnind caroline: I'm going to do the merge requests today - if I haven't, feel free to fire away! 22:45 tuxayo I wish the problem would be harder because we don't have much contributions from Asia. 22:45 davidnind caroline: thanks for all your work! 22:46 tuxayo > moving around is the compromise 22:46 tuxayo yes, very happy that we started alternating again and that we have attendance from Oceania :) 22:47 davidnind there is certainly a lot of activity and adoption in Asia, just not too much direct contribution to the Koha Community in terms of the code 22:50 davidnind there was a KohaCon in Asia - KohaCon11 in Thane, India and KohaCon17 in the Phillipines 22:50 tuxayo > lot of activity and adoption in Asia 22:50 tuxayo Great :D What did you hear about it? 22:50 tuxayo And Pakistan 22:50 davidnind also, rangi has been the "Super Guest Star" at various conferences 22:50 tuxayo he he 22:51 davidnind Pakistan also, yes 22:52 davidnind the Koha Facebook group has a lot of contributions/questions from Asia 22:52 tuxayo :D 22:53 tuxayo > not too much direct contribution 22:53 tuxayo If we want to change that. How to do that? The only one I have is propose to Koha Pakistan session of patch testing with librarians. Any other ideas to outreach? Any other Asian communities besides Koha Pakistan? 22:53 davidnind nothing specific about Asia - just from the social media and other things I get the impression that it is "big" and used a lot 22:54 davidnind http://kohageek.blogspot.com/ 22:55 davidnind I'm not sure, worthy of further discussion, particularly with those that have good contacts 22:56 davidnind also https://vimal0212.wordpress.com/ 22:59 tuxayo Ho, Malaysia :D 23:00 tuxayo Thanks for the leads :) 23:08 tuxayo Time to go, see ya :) 23:11 davidnind me too...