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22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18320: Remove patroncards/edit-layout.pl warnings <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b31d1f669a0b78d642be74f11aff68e4994f4275>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 11750: Hide patron's attributes on overdue list if needed <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5fd77be044a893bdbbd4127f39e82dc278d897d>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29764: Fix incorrect EmbedItems RecordProcessor filter POD <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=43abf06b6445ba00712086a3dc2fb9cf99ef7054>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18320: Remove calls to CGI->param from the templates in patron cards <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3a98dd05c20333a4bcd64f3b3c00d58d68a347e>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29807: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa1e67ecc7177544a60fd438b60e3a9d4e142e9d>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29807: Make Branches plugin handle empty pickup locations list <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe0a0ee83490103d49711d2afaacb9803e9b9740>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29806: Call ->as_list for ->pickup_locations on request.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3eb2f8ebbe76984c9b64eb123c25a96018bf368d>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29806: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=12079466655ba7929b88024d75f12ae9136c7e68>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29806: Fix POST /holds use of pickup_locations <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdbfadbc92be16f7dd839c3cd0f8f7029575b9fc>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29806: (follow-up) Call ->as_list for ->pickup_locations on request.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf77d0f7b2e6a58c888ea47d724858e6425b7722>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 11750: (QA follow-up) Remove unconditional warn <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e653effe5783e149f5ab69f388aa5509db454ef4>
22:18 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29889: Incorrect library check in patron message deletion logic <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c60281ab4102551d46dc793a1ca35af9ad5f9c0>
21:37 Kate          IDENTIFY
21:29 Kate          I have tried to find a report for gathering records with duplicate EAN rather than ISBNs, but no luck. Does anyone know of a link to one? Thanks!
21:28 Kate          Hello All,
16:44 * thd         has to go in to work today off schedule.  The source of all infection for me.  At least, now I am probably highly immune to recurrence for a little while.
16:36 thd           Continuing to wipe down shared keyboards is probably a good idea along with keeping further away from everyone who breathes even with masks.
16:33 thd           Do not believe that "some mild symptoms" with a small risk of extra badness is the only problem with what the world is trying to avoid.  I felt worst of all after testing negative again after a few days of feeling somewhat better.  Overactive immune response and consequent problems is really best avoided.
16:28 ashimema      it's been an idea that's been mulling around for years
16:28 ashimema      indeed
16:27 tuxayo        ashimema: LTS and rolling was already there!
16:26 cait1         bye all
16:26 cait1         tuxayo++
16:26 oleonard      Thanks for chairing tuxayo
16:26 thd           Stay safe everyone.
16:25 ashimema      tuxayo++
16:25 tuxayo        thanks all for sticking for so long
16:25 oleonard      tuxayo++
16:25 huginn        Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_19_january_2022.2022-01-19-15.01.log.html
16:25 huginn        Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_19_january_2022.2022-01-19-15.01.txt
16:25 huginn        Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2022/development_irc_meeting_19_january_2022.2022-01-19-15.01.html
16:25 huginn        Meeting ended Wed Jan 19 16:25:22 2022 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
16:25 tuxayo        #endmeeting
16:25 tuxayo        #info Next meeting: 2 February 2022, 15:00 UTC
16:25 tuxayo        lol
16:24 ashimema      lol.. I started to try and get a discussion going about this in 2019: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_Versioning_-_Next
16:24 tuxayo        same time I supose
16:23 tuxayo        It would be the 2 february then
16:22 tuxayo        #topic  Set time of next meeting
16:22 tuxayo        #action ashimema drafts an LTS proposal. (tuxayo can help!)
16:22 tuxayo        Yes, like Catalyst that support 19.11 even if they aren't using it and I support oldoldstable without providing it too. So no worries as long as it requires 3 RMaint
16:22 tuxayo        >  there are certainly people out there
16:22 ashimema      what's next tuxayo?
16:21 cait1         it is a chance to talk about how we do things too of course
16:21 ashimema      right.. moving on..
16:21 ashimema      lol
16:21 cait1         not toally? ;)
16:21 ashimema      I'm totally not against it
16:21 ashimema      indeed
16:21 cait1         it really depends on your environment, resources etc.
16:21 ashimema      so an LTS of 3 years or something wouldn't sit well with customers.. many already don't like having to wait for their sponsored features
16:21 cait1         we know they are there... and for smaller support proivders it cuold also well be an option
16:20 thd           I understand the rationale for the self supported, but they need strong advocacy.
16:20 ashimema      we generally have been trying to move to annual feature upgrades
16:20 ashimema      yup.. there are certainly people out there
16:19 reiveune      bye
16:19 cait1         and we will probably consider it at least
16:19 ashimema      indeed
16:19 cait1         or more i think they will be
16:19 ashimema      well ptfs-e is unlikely to be lending a hand.. doesn't mean other companies may not take a different stance/cadence
16:19 cait1         a self supported library might be keen on an LTS
16:19 tuxayo        There are multiple involved actor here
16:19 cait1         i think thre are just different use cases
16:18 thd           ashimema: If customers are not keen, how will it really be supported properly?
16:18 ashimema      ok.. i'll draft something
16:18 cait1         once you start writing it gets a little easier
16:18 ashimema      I think, as a company, we're unlikely to actually use the LTS notion.. customers aren't keen on software that ages that much
16:18 cait1         i thik we just need a starting point
16:17 ashimema      I can try to knock something together.. or at least ask rangi or someone what their intentions were
16:16 marcelr       [off] htg
16:16 thd           ashimema writes a definition of LTS along which includes a path from some current or forthcoming release.
16:15 tuxayo        I can participate
16:15 tuxayo        Who to draft one or several workflow proposals on the wiki?
16:14 cait1         +1
16:14 tuxayo        So it doesn't stay in limbo
16:14 marcelr       a proposal on the wiki?
16:14 tuxayo        What's the next step to plan about the topic?
16:13 ashimema      but yeah.. lets move on.
16:13 ashimema      it's not just rmaint burden either.. I've often found myself having to write patches for multiple versions.. sometimes they differ rally quite a lot.. the less parallel versions we support the more reliable we can get I feel
16:13 marcelr       well we got out of scope a bit
16:11 tuxayo        Indeed, but that should only blur thing for older releases right?
16:11 tuxayo        > i guess, but when they leave, the records stays
16:10 thd           I presume there would be people for maintenance as long as support companies have sufficient demand for such a version which depends significantly on what libraries actually want.
16:10 marcelr       so the picture is not clear anymore
16:10 marcelr       i guess, but when they leave, the records stays
16:10 tuxayo        There is an ID for each Koha
16:10 tuxayo        When an instance sent again data, it replace the old one right?
16:09 marcelr       just warning because older data is not removed at fixed time
16:08 ashimema      indeed
16:08 tuxayo        marcelr: I don't why I didn't look 20.11. But for 21.05 it's too recent to see if people upgrade it. Since it was the latest version not long ago
16:07 cait1         I don't think we'll come to results today
16:07 cait1         yes, keeping it at 3 versions shoudl work, we'd just have a wider gap between lts and others
16:06 tuxayo        thd: «  Ensure that someone would be available for maintenance for the duration of the period?» If we have a workflow that works with 3 RMaints we shouldn't have an issue
16:06 ashimema      so people step in
16:06 ashimema      it's a given they're needed
16:06 tuxayo        cait1: I'm not worried about provider involved in the community.
16:05 ashimema      right now we kinda pressurise people into taking on the existing rmaint roles
16:05 marcelr       tuxayo hea figures? if so, be careful with older numbers
16:05 cait1         we alrady do that curently
16:05 ashimema      I'd be interested to see if there are any stats from the deb repos that could give us an idea of how many people actually track the verious releases and don't pin.
16:05 cait1         I don't think it needs to be for the whole duration, others can take over
16:04 thd           What would the mechanism be to ensure support?  Ensure that someone would be available for maintenance for the duration of the period?
16:04 cait1         tuxayo: we would only do it when necessary (bad bug fixed) but can't tell about others
16:04 tuxayo        But it's dwarfed by a factor of 15 for 20.05.x and more than 30 for 19.11.x by the instances on versions older than the last 3.
16:04 tuxayo        There are some instances that are on the latests 20.05.x and 19.11.x so it would benefit them to have a long support. Which it the case for 19.11.x
16:04 tuxayo        https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences
16:04 cait1         add the queestions and our answers and go from there next time?
16:04 tuxayo        Are many instances doing minor upgrades?
16:04 cait1         ok - what about... we start an lts wiki page
16:04 tuxayo        And can we know in advance if an LTS will be followed enough to be worth it?
16:03 tuxayo        19.11 it's just a version with long support. There was never a promise for support time so there is no issue
16:03 tuxayo        > just suddently saying we're having an LTS overnight
16:03 ashimema      yup.. so first step is to just document what we mean by LTS and make it a community commitment
16:02 cait1         we need to now do that
16:02 cait1         but we have only talked about it here... nothing writen up etc
16:02 cait1         I think it's good to have a fact and then we can work from there .)
16:02 ashimema      all this stuff needs formalising and discussing... just suddently saying we're having an LTS overnight was the problem in my book
16:01 ashimema      yup
16:01 cait1         yes, I think we need to think about the implications for people on different versions now
16:01 marcelr       so that would not be possible anymore already
16:01 marcelr       when 21.11 came out, i went to 20.11
16:01 cait1         it might also be confusing to libraries to have even more releases and release notes to check
16:00 cait1         and communitcating those riskier releases seems a nightmare
16:00 cait1         there will always be big patches with possible side effects
16:00 cait1         i am not sure we can do more stable
16:00 tuxayo        ++ that's a possibility
16:00 tuxayo        > or stable becomes a 1 year rather than 6 month feature cadence
16:00 ashimema      and generally try to make our 'dev' branch more stable to begin with for rolling
16:00 ashimema      the point is to reduce the number of rmaints required
15:59 ashimema      or stable becomes a 1 year rather than 6 month feature cadence
15:59 cait1         people need to jump on LTS first too
15:59 cait1         and maybe do an oldstable
15:59 cait1         let the others run out slowly...
15:59 cait1         i think maybe smaller steps... establish LTS first
15:59 ashimema      so more of a drop oldstable and oldoldstable
15:58 thd           marcelr: Are you really saying that there is a need for the 3 versions in any case because of supporting customers or something?
15:58 ashimema      and stable meaning feature stable for 6 months..
15:58 tuxayo        That could work very well
15:58 tuxayo        > LTS, Stable and Rolling.. as the three
15:58 ashimema      with rolling meaning a feature release every month
15:58 tuxayo        In this case we would drop oldoldstable and oldstable IIUC
15:58 * ashimema    would actually like LTS, Stable and Rolling.. as the three
15:58 cait1         same versions than now... but bigger gap
15:58 cait1         or drop oldoldstable?
15:58 ashimema      exactly
15:57 cait1         i think that's why ashimema was suggesting to drop one
15:57 tuxayo        So it would be stable and LTS so 2.
15:57 cait1         and that's the way we should do it
15:57 marcelr       thats just additional work on top of 3 versions
15:57 cait1         yes
15:57 Joubu         it's the main purpose, security patches
15:57 Joubu         and to provide them security backport
15:57 Joubu         we just need to support an old version for those who does not care abotu the new features
15:56 Joubu         it's actually easier than suporting 3 versions
15:56 marcelr       i think that we want too much
15:55 tuxayo        Worst case. In the exemple workflow that would be very similar to the current one
15:55 tuxayo        > just stick to 3 versions ?
15:55 ashimema      https://koha-community.org/about/release-schedule/ will need updating
15:55 marcelr       it is a good release :)
15:55 Joubu         it should be 3y minimum
15:55 cait1         marcelr: can you explain?
15:55 cait1         supporting
15:55 cait1         i think we were talking about 2-3 years last time
15:55 marcelr       20.11
15:55 cait1         after 19.11... what woudl be the next one to become an LTS release
15:55 cait1         I was wondering that too
15:54 ashimema      but also.. if we say we'll do LTS.. what goes into decided that a particular version becomes the next LTS?
15:54 marcelr       just stick to 3 versions ?
15:54 ashimema      personally.. I think we're an already rather stretched team of people ;).. I'd love to see us drop some support and move to a more fluid model for some support
15:54 cait1         yes, it would have to take priority
15:54 tuxayo        We can be confident to always have 3 RMaints and that would mean oldoldstable could be dropped when a 4th RMaint isn't found. This seems a doable promise in general.
15:54 tuxayo        > what if we decide 4 years and next year nobody is willing to support it?
15:52 Joubu         drop rangi an email then
15:52 thd           ashimema++
15:52 cait1         I agree
15:52 ashimema      we need to know what LTS actually means and publish that
15:52 ashimema      something being called LTS means as a community we have committed
15:52 cait1         well then we can't have an LTS at all
15:52 marcelr       we dont have the people to do it
15:51 Joubu         it's not our job to do that, what if we decide 4 years and next year nobody is willing to support it?
15:51 ashimema      how long, how many versions should we actually be supporting.. should we drop some versions and take up a rolling version
15:51 cait1         an LTS doesn't work wihtout a "promise" of support time
15:51 Joubu         so a support company
15:51 nugged        but do we have some recommended perltidyrc which is "proper-iest" one?
15:51 nugged        > removal of xt/perltidyrc which is not used
15:51 * nugged      going behind the talk but ...
15:51 Joubu         or someone somewhere to decide they will have someone to deal with that
15:51 tuxayo        yes, do we start a formal LTS and advertise it
15:51 cait1         and.. write it down somewhere
15:51 Joubu         it's LTS maintainer to decide
15:51 ashimema      to have some formal idea of what our LTS support means
15:51 cait1         and maybe discuss about regularly dropping rleeases in between
15:50 cait1         i think we need to agreeon the time we support
15:50 marcelr       thats tells you something at least
15:50 ashimema      true
15:50 thd           LTS
15:50 Joubu         we postponed it 3 times already
15:50 Joubu         what's the discussion about?
15:50 marcelr       postponing++
15:50 ashimema      yup
15:49 tuxayo        Shall we postpone for when fridolin is there and we have more time?
15:49 tuxayo        « LTS discussion »
15:49 tuxayo        #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
15:48 tuxayo        donne
15:48 tuxayo        « tuxayo Update coding guideline JS5 to removed everything from DEPRECATED to the end of JS5. »
15:48 tuxayo        thank for the find Joubu, so done
15:48 ashimema      not one I've looked at yet
15:48 Joubu         I guess
15:48 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29853 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Text needs HTML filter before KohaSpan filter
15:48 Joubu         bug 29853
15:47 tuxayo        Anyone has seen the new ticket ?
15:46 huginn        Bug 29589: minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Failed QA , Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page
15:46 tuxayo        I suppose  it's about this https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29589#c6
15:46 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29589 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Failed QA , Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page
15:46 tuxayo        «tuxayo postpone "Avoid formatting single words within sentences to ease translation (example: Bug 29589)" to wait for test results »
15:45 tuxayo        maybe a long time ago
15:45 thd           Was it ever used?
15:44 tuxayo        #action tuxayo open a ticket about the removal of xt/perltidyrc which is not used
15:44 marcelr       i dont know how
15:44 tuxayo        ok, who to open the ticket?
15:44 marcelr       just open a report on Bugzilla :)
15:43 cait1         and if we don't enforce/use it either
15:43 ashimema      not doing anything.. lets get rid of it.
15:43 tuxayo        After emptying it or removing or setting the max line lenght to 40 char no error pops
15:43 cait1         if we don't need it... removing it seems logical
15:43 ashimema      interesting
15:43 tuxayo        it doesn't influence the tests at all. So do we still need it?
15:42 tuxayo        it doesn't
15:42 tuxayo        « tuxayo check if xt/perltidyrc is used to see if we currently rely on it's values »
15:42 tuxayo        #action postpone or ask about the 2 other actions of fridolin. And
15:41 tuxayo        yes
15:41 marcelr       thats kohacon?
15:40 tuxayo        done
15:40 tuxayo        « fridolin announces timeframe extension (end of feb) and for this one allow proposals outside eligible continents, keeping priority to actual ones »
15:39 tuxayo        #topic Actions from last meeting
15:38 tuxayo        #action tuxayo postpone roadmap topic and check in with frido on this
15:38 ashimema      [off] ptfs-e are advertising for a new developer in the next few days.. so things are looking up for time I can spend on Koha again in the medium term future
15:37 cait1         or assume we'll move them to a new one
15:37 thd           I have fixed image directories missed from rsync when relocating files in the wiki.  I can concentrate for the hours required now without risking bronchitis.
15:37 cait1         shoudl we postpone thre roadmap question and check in with frido on this?
15:37 cait1         ashimema: it happens, we need to be able to deal with people having other projects and stuff
15:37 marcelr       Joubu asked for feedback in a mail on dev list
15:36 cait1         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
15:36 * ashimema    really has dropped the ball on this cycle so far.. sorry peeps
15:36 oleonard      "todo: Make a roadmap" :)
15:36 tuxayo        https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_roadmap
15:36 tuxayo        There might a confusion, the old roadmap document has seed some edits this cycle ^^
15:36 ashimema      there was an intention.. but I don't know that it came to fruition
15:35 oleonard      No
15:35 cait1         not sure, is frido around?
15:35 tuxayo        Is there actually an equivalent this cycle?
15:35 Joubu         roadmap?
15:34 tuxayo        #topic Status of roadmap projects
15:33 cait1         but overall... more resources would help a great deal
15:32 cait1         maybe to add for the logs, we have also been talking to Aleisha about the recalls bug (marcelr++ aleisha*++) and hope to have that one moving soon
15:32 ashimema      but yeah.. we just need more flow as a whole
15:32 cait1         the balance... is the key, discussing it is a good step already
15:32 ashimema      don't wait for yourself to have a multi-hour period you may never get so you can attack one hard one 😉
15:31 cait1         yep
15:31 ashimema      my point isn't to say "don't do the hard one".. it was to say.. if you have half an hour between meetings.. pick off a simple QA or two
15:31 marcelr       yeah some kind of balance
15:30 cait1         like strting with the worst/oldest everytime you get to do QA or at least try to
15:30 cait1         if everyone grabbed the oldest in queue... and 1-3 easy ones constantly, we'd get stuff moving already
15:30 cait1         I'd be ok if we mostly did a mix
15:30 cait1         bugs fixing issues missed also take time
15:29 marcelr       only focusing on small stuff, will not get the other ones in
15:29 cait1         i think doing QA 'right' also saves time in the long run
15:29 ashimema      if we can tackle those quickly.. it focuses the eye on the other one's more
15:29 cait1         so yes, if you have stuff waiting, consider to join the team ;)
15:29 ashimema      exactly
15:29 cait1         not talking about fast... but more time overall and prioritizing
15:28 Joubu         but having the list full of easy but ugly tiny things does not help to see what's exactly in the list
15:28 ashimema      but typo and string fixes really do only take a few minutes
15:28 thd           :)
15:28 ashimema      I agree
15:28 marcelr       too fast qa's is just postponing trouble
15:28 cait1         at the moment wefocus on the bad and ugly mostly
15:28 ashimema      most of those were one line string fixes 😉
15:28 ashimema      it's not impossible to keep on top of things.. there's just a disitnct lack of apetite
15:28 marcelr       hmm
15:28 ashimema      I've done 12 QA's today.. in a half hour gap I had between meetings 😉
15:27 Joubu         will continue doing it for the next weeks and see if they get attention
15:27 cait1         i'd love to see the average 'time in queue' reduced... but it won't be possible with more resources
15:27 ashimema      [off] I mooted the topic of trying to put some money up for a 'pipelines' position in the community.. someone actually paid to help keep things moving.. chasing for signoffs and qa's
15:27 Joubu         yes, I am trying to send a short email with a list of easy bugs that should go asap
15:27 cait1         we need more hands and more QA time overall
15:27 cait1         what ashimema said
15:26 cait1         oh yes sorry
15:25 ashimema      if more people grabbed one of those a day we'd keep the queue numbers down.. and have more time to concentrate on the bigger things
15:25 ashimema      grab it, check it, run the qa scripts..
15:25 ashimema      we still need more hands.. for the small/trivial bugs there's still a serious lag.. many of them only take a couple of minutes to QA
15:24 marcelr       ashimema++
15:24 ashimema      but I am starting to pick up pace again now
15:24 ashimema      I've been behind on QA so far this cycle personally.. other pressing commitments
15:24 oleonard      No cait1 at the moment?
15:24 tuxayo        well, qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
15:23 tuxayo        qa_team?
15:23 tuxayo        #topic Updates from the QA team
15:23 tuxayo        moving on then
15:23 tuxayo        nothing to report about 20.11
15:23 khall_        steady as she goes :)
15:22 tuxayo        i heard rmaints was khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
15:22 tuxayo        rmaints?
15:22 tuxayo        #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
15:22 tuxayo        #action tuxayo postpone «Add new Bugzilla component for Koha as Mojo App ?» and ask for more details
15:19 Joubu         that seems easier for everybody
15:19 tuxayo        ok
15:19 Joubu         ping me and I will do it
15:19 tuxayo        Are there so many tickets about that an omnibus ticket doesn't do the trick?
15:19 Joubu         No need to ticket + blabla too long for an update of the website
15:19 tuxayo        next point from Fridolin: « Add new Bugzilla component for Koha as Mojo App ? »
15:18 tuxayo        #action tuxayo open ticket and update https://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-developers/ with the URL of the current git repo (Gitea)
15:18 tuxayo        Indeed
15:17 oleonard      That could be added as bug in Bugzilla
15:17 tuxayo        I might have the right to edit this page where is the repo for documentation now?
15:15 tuxayo        next point from Fridolin: « There are links to gitweb in https://koha-community.org/get-involved/for-developers/ »
15:15 khall_        #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
15:15 kidclamp      #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
15:14 ashimema      ok.. I'll stay quiet
15:14 marcelr       ashimema: you are backtracking the discussion now?
15:13 Joubu         use later tell
15:13 * ashimema    still struggles with recalls.. is it still nearly a clone of holds code from many years ago?
15:12 tuxayo        can't use the at sign at all without huginn noticing ^^
15:12 huginn        tuxayo: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
15:12 tuxayo        @ Fridolin for later: The latest news are in the ticket. IIUC it's feature frozen and a rebase in needed to review and test as is.
15:11 tuxayo        I missed the previous message. Ok about timing.
15:10 marcelr       depends on what you exactly mean
15:10 tuxayo        In a previous meeting or in the ticket?
15:09 marcelr       i asked for more specific timing but got no specific replies
15:09 marcelr       in earlier dev meetings
15:08 marcelr       we made plans for that already
15:08 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha
15:08 tuxayo        «How do we manage review of Bug 19532 Recalls ?»
15:07 tuxayo        #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05)
15:07 thd           s/greatly/greatly diminished/
15:07 tuxayo        great news oleonard
15:06 tuxayo        best wishes for remission thd
15:06 ashimema      I look forward to reading the report
15:06 ashimema      oleonard++
15:06 oleonard      I will send a brief report to koha-devel today
15:05 oleonard      There was a meeting yesterday of interested parties regarding a redesign of the staff interface
15:05 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, recent COVID capital, testing negative from last week and after effects of severe congestion, fatigue, etc. have greatly.  I do not recommend it but very contagious despite vaccination and other precautions.
15:05 tuxayo        Any announcement that doesn't fit in another topic?
15:05 marcelr       #info Marcel de Rooy
15:05 tuxayo        #topic Announcements
15:04 tuxayo        i'll relay ^^
15:04 Joubu         #info Jonathan Druart
15:03 nugged        🍇 🫖 and 💪 for Fridolin!
15:03 tuxayo        Apologies from Fridolin: «Sorry, children sick at home. Feel free to postpone the points I have noted. Email me for any question. »
15:02 nugged        #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI
15:02 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
15:02 tuxayo        #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Group Holding Limited, France
15:02 tuxayo        well, qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova
15:02 tuxayo        qa_team?
15:02 tuxayo        i heard rmaints was khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo
15:02 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
15:01 tuxayo        rmaints?
15:01 tuxayo        #topic Introductions
15:01 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_19_january_2022'
15:01 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:01 huginn        Meeting started Wed Jan 19 15:01:31 2022 UTC.  The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:01 tuxayo        #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022
15:00 ashimema      🙂
14:59 tuxayo        :o
14:59 oleonard-away wahanui?
14:58 tuxayo        rmaints?
14:58 tuxayo        qa_team?
14:58 tuxayo        meeting in 2min!
14:40 ashimema      hmm.. it's in the calendar
14:39 marcelr       Was no mention on the list
14:34 ashimema      yup
14:34 oleonard      Dev meeting shortly, eh?
14:25 marcelr       hmm i was in that discussion
14:23 oleonard      I'm running through the staff interface with jQuery Migrate enabled, so checking the console a lot. Eliminating unnecessary warnings would make it easier.
14:19 oleonard      Oh cool, I should have looked.
14:19 ashimema      contains discussion around i
14:19 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha should set SameSite attribute on cookies
14:19 ashimema      bug 26019
14:19 marcelr       are these warns not there for some time already ?
14:18 ashimema      hmm.. I think there may be a security bug open about it.
14:16 oleonard      https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Set-Cookie/SameSite
14:16 oleonard      I'm not entirely sure how the various settings relate to Koha's requirements.
14:13 oleonard      Cookie “CGISESSID” has “SameSite” policy set to “Lax” because it is missing a “SameSite” attribute, and “SameSite=Lax” is the default value for this attribute.
14:12 oleonard      Firefox now warns about it in the console
14:12 oleonard      Has anyone looked into changing how we handle the "samesite" attribute of cookies?
14:03 marcelr       thx
14:03 marcelr       ok i try that then
14:03 oleonard      It creates a line break and adds some padding to the top of the element
14:02 marcelr       would that result in same layout?
14:02 oleonard      Regarding the <br/>, you can wrap the submit button in <fieldset class="action"></fieldset> instead
14:00 oleonard      Yeah might be too messy
14:00 marcelr       especially for layout and so
14:00 ashimema      hi
14:00 marcelr       there are subtle differences
13:59 oleonard      That's not a criticism of your patches, I'm just wondering if you'd considered that
13:59 marcelr       what i did was a first step in more consistency
13:59 marcelr       ok
13:58 oleonard      marcelr: That bug makes me wonder if we couldn't use an include file for the login form
13:18 marcelr       thx
13:18 * oleonard    will look
13:18 marcelr       hi oleonard
13:18 oleonard      Hi marcelr
13:17 huginn        marcelr: The operation succeeded.
13:17 marcelr       @later tell oleonard left a question for you on bug 29458; please check?
12:39 kidclamp      hi marcelr
12:38 marcelr       hi kidclamp ashimema `
12:38 ashimema      lol
12:38 kidclamp      Joubu is dancing....or he is a bat
12:37 Joubu         ~o~
12:37 marcelr       hi #koha
12:37 kidclamp      \o
12:08 oleonard      o/
11:35 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U20 build #285: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U20/285/
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11:20 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
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10:54 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
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10:51 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:38 ashimema      sorry fridolin.. pilling more into your queue this morning between my meetings
10:35 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11_CPAN build #515: FIXED in 1 hr 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_CPAN/515/
10:35 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:30 ashimema      how are we today frido
10:30 ashimema      nice one
10:30 fridolin      ouf ;)
10:30 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U21 build #71: FIXED in 1 hr 16 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U21/71/
10:29 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
10:25 fridolin      _o/
10:24 ashimema      morning
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10:24 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
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10:21 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
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10:17 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
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10:14 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
09:43 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #359: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U_Stable/359/
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09:10 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29495: Fix TestBuilder.t <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=20366164af813dde564b5f9fba410408ff66b39a>
09:09 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #358: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U_Stable/358/
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08:47 cait1         Frido is on a roll :)
08:47 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D12 build #60: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D12/60/
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08:22 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #729: STILL UNSTABLE in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_My8/729/
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08:06 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U21 build #70: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U21/70/
07:57 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11_CPAN build #514: STILL UNSTABLE in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11_CPAN/514/
07:35 * fridolin    feeding master :D
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18540: Handle indexing sort title only when needed <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=78d403ca3db8e528f9d6c0635d9eabc7ec79ee92>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Identify the fields with wrong length (or name) first <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d5332deb691488000ef92baed78bee442b0c564>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Database revision <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=051aafb896de51d4b66efda9616bfdde4459aadb>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29474: Return too_soon before checking renewals <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ceeafab7fc3a21c9986c08089cf51ba6bb7370a>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29474: Decouple renewal checks of auto-renewed issues from non-autorenewed <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f7554754063518cc3399a45b2aaa72d520c8326>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29474: Remove one layer of indendation by adding if check in the begginning <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c96fee3840ca68508ced69ca9db990cefe2a8c41>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29498: Remove usage of deprecated Mojolicious::Routes::Route::detour <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=40da37caa66840280f421d994e56ecdf6eb446cf>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29464: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb23615ad5e0824c54b64aca4112cdf8b878eabc>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29464: Make GET /acquisitions/orders honour sorting <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=774f28761773b5ffdf6e36761d07046977e4f1a7>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29704: Add a triggered option to holds_reminder.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1a701573e9005fdfb770a40b3a04c4fcc0029b6>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29758: Get rid of warning in members/boraccount.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=34248e5805e03808e4408b8ae772a8175c9d1e3c>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29812: Add missing use C4::Context in Koha::Token <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb2136cfcc4d5df973a9b481d77a816952891dca>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18540: (QA follow-up) Only mention index_sort_title if defined <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=75514a85c554840712057553cace9839449fa01f>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18540: Update MARC21 biblio XSL file <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae91a0b5db0024876e230106118b147bbe81af27>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Remove TODOs <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=05ead115bb9c5ad6119b85f0bb14237f761dbf62>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29820: Set paging option using boolean instead of string <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ead3c624b6722c824b832db4ff061b16c727cfef>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29884: Run missing test in api/v1/patrons.t <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dafdfe32325c8185f66bdcedbac12750572bb8e4>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29704: (RM follow-up) Fix typo sned send <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b9417ca136fc95d3ee4dfaa7010fee70f24b6ee>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29336: DBRev 21.12.00.009 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4962a4395df16d475ee6dcc6f7f429825ea2c76b>
07:22 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Update DBIC schema <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4851e10119226c114b34235d8ba54eaf99f4a6c3>
07:21 alex_a        Bonjour
07:08 reiveune      hello
06:01 fridolin      hi there