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23:59 tuxayo        Perfect, that's what we use on BZ
23:59 tuxayo        > "relates to". "blocks" and "is blocked by"
23:58 tuxayo        Oh and also maybe moving from Pootle to Weblate
23:58 tuxayo        > Updating the version of the wiki + getting rid of mailman is already a lot.
23:36 pabloab       I wonder if a huge project like GNOME (which moved to GitLab) just don't use that feature.
23:35 pabloab       Sure. Sad to hear that abouth GitLab. The only available relationship is "relates to". "blocks" and "is blocked by" only on Premium https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/issues/related_issues.html#add-a-linked-issue
23:31 tuxayo        More importantly, there is really a lack of workforce for that topic. Updating the version of the wiki + getting rid of mailman is already a lot.
23:30 tuxayo        Maybe it changed. I recall that a few things where non-libre at first and some time after ended up in the libre version
23:28 tuxayo        pabloab: GitLab, certainly not. Last time I checked, dependency between tickets was only doable in the non-libre version of GitLab...
23:28 pabloab       tuxayo: There is no consensus to move from the old BZ to the modern GitLab?
21:18 huginn`       tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
21:18 tuxayo        @later tell ashimema wait it's only the graph part that is missing! There basic feature is actually there! :D https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/pull/2531
21:05 huginn`       tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
21:05 tuxayo        @later tell ashimema I think what we are missing the most to switch from BZ to Gitea would be dependencies between tickets. We could push for that with a bounty on https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/8794
21:01 huginn`       tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
21:01 tuxayo        @later tell Joubu , oh my post was still a draft :o thanks a lot!!!
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18:33 oleonard-away Manage ILL request.... a whole set of buttons with English labels coming from Illrequest.pm...
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17:56 ashimema      Will look at all the date related test failures tomorrow Joubu
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16:57 Joubu         there is a workaround if you are stuck
16:56 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24850 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Koha::DateUtils ignores offsets in RFC3339 datetimes
16:56 Joubu         See bug 24850, last comments
16:56 Joubu         So, as you can see master is broken (more precisely date handling for the REST API)
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16:06 reiveune      bye
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 25459: Makes barcode position respect units in patron cards layout <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ef35565481e29200830d0ef8acb4599476b95c3>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 27884: Add html support for report mails <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a45b3d2dc4293cfa4879d42dd3c1ef66590e3a9>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28263: Fix too_many auto renewal message <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a722d814705f33acf87a653b1f9d2421af96832>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 27884: Add tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2666f34b0ce8ebf3451b1f9c7436dafb46092912>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 29242: Flatpickr - Should autocomplete be turned off? <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e9c4fe3d9f301d694228882b175296b419ad4ff7>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28729: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7130f7d4eda4a1faca18657df6cde62c779fe3c7>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28729: Make Koha::Email->send_or_die handle returnpath <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3955815a47f8fd7bb3d83c828cf8c171233d6d20>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 29329: Remove stray character in opac-detail.tt <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=036d7bd4287d08f2ad8ee9846eee65f779cb35b2>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28904: Add newsletter editor to about page display <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6c1fbb08a2c2a75d116dc6980253df9a6109856>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28904: Update team list to include newsletter editors <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9d242cd2599f52fb4bf1d80636c70f639f6b12e6>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 29351: Add missing cn_source parameter to reports parameter menu <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=07464b53ed303d8d62d793db385aaa5b9a42e960>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 29352: Runtime parameter labels should not be said to be optional <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca6c81ec5cff9ad626787b2cf48aa99a3c217e70>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 29328: Add missing list parameter to reports parameter menu <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0a000d5df14c679753e670b94517cf2e8a756f4>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 29355: Make pickup location dropdowns RESTdefaultPageSize agnostic <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=413d8824889e35a70236663a61bab551092a920c>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 29356: Pickup location dropdowns should perform 'contains' searches <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=51f42b87343f64638d6484218b3a23e579816bfa>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28729: Additions to POD <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4a05feef3840d8b1a45d7010eafbe5208c96126>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28263: (QA follow-up) Use new atomicupdate code style <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f831175338d16719e6202b42cb12afa7660877c9>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28904: Fix typo and display <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2e4b90f99054cf33344d0a3aef3a2cde961ee09>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28901: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9210f718362f1238a814c2237bbe1e8fd5abdf1c>
15:55 huginn`       News from kohagit: Bug 28263: DBRev 21.06.00.040 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=080197d175fa4e73dce1bcbda7ac2a4032080b2d>
15:53 ashimema      my inbox gets mailbombed at push
15:53 ashimema      problem with doing lots of SO and QA...
15:53 ashimema      hmm..
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15:26 wahanui       Congratulations!
15:26 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
15:17 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29394 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Remove flatpickr instantiations from .tt files
15:17 Joubu         oleonard: I've created bug 29394
15:17 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29240 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Flatpickr - error in the console when a date is selected
15:17 oleonard      Bug 29240
15:16 oleonard      Joubu: I think it's not in its own bug
15:15 Joubu         oleonard: didn't I open a bug to remove the flatpickr instantiations from .tt files?
15:08 Joubu         cait: yes, make sense!
15:05 huginn`       Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:05 Joubu         @later tell tuxayo did you send us the mail you received from the kohacon's organisers? I haven't received it
14:53 cait          ashimema, Joubu and others ^
14:52 cait          oleonard: what do you think of https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Talk:Processes_for_KohaCons (tuyayo's work)
14:43 cait          sorry... that probably is all a little delayed, just catching up on today's work
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14:38 cait          baground jobs... bag's round jobs? :)
14:37 cait          i see that you cc'd yourself :)
14:37 cait          kidclamp: any opinion on 29010?
14:36 cait          oleonard: ok, imported makes sense - sorry, I was thinking of staged ones
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14:25 oleonard      cait: A record which has been imported is probably still in your catalog unless it was since deleted
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13:50 cait          or do you mean imported vs. staged? then I withdraw...
13:50 cait          but random searches from z39.50 seem more lunlikely
13:50 cait          i can imagine workflows for uplaoding a data set froma vendor and wanting to use it in cataloguing
13:49 cait          oleonard-away: i think imported make more sense there than the z39.50 ones
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13:08 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29391 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Improve output of reservoir search
13:08 oleonard      Bug 29391
12:56 tcohen        Mr. Brown would've cleaned all the scene
12:56 oleonard      What do you think Tarantino would have thought about excluding imported records from reservoir search results?
12:55 tcohen        hahaa, a great movie
12:55 oleonard      In your humble opinion
12:54 magnuse       s/move/movie/
12:54 magnuse       i think reservoir dogs is a move by quentin tarantino
12:54 oleonard      Shower me with your reservoir opinions
12:54 magnuse       cait: i did, but it made no difference
12:21 oleonard      I wonder if there's any reason to show imported records in the "Records found in reservoir" table
11:51 cait          magnuse: maybe you need to identify?
11:46 magnuse       ashimema: looks like i lost it
11:33 Joubu         or do we go with LONGTEXT directly?
11:33 huginn`       Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=29386 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , background jobs table data field is a TEXT which is too small
11:32 Joubu         bug 29386 - would it make sense to switch to MEDIUMTEXT then later LONGTEXT if still not enough?
11:24 oleonard      Hi tcohen
11:13 tcohen        hola #koha
10:57 Joubu         tuxayo: I published 20.05.17 release notes, it was still a draft
10:34 * oleonard    wonders who magnuse wants to kick :D
10:31 ashimema      I thought you were one lol
10:27 magnuse       op? ops?
10:27 magnuse       looks like he os the only ops in the channel?
10:26 ashimema      ?
10:26 magnuse       bag: can you make some more ops, please?
09:36 cait          ashimema is the accounts expert... but fines are also one of my things... sadly
09:32 * ashimema    apologies for any typos.. I was on the school run
09:31 hugoagud      HI, that makes a lot of sense... thank you very much.. sorry for the delay I was out of the desktop ;)
09:23 mtj           Joubu: no, no OOM that i know of :)
09:20 ashimema      Hope that makes sense
09:20 ashimema      Decreases were really designed for calculate at check-in fine..  I e the scripts run daily . Someone returns the item on a closed day.. the script runs and increments the fine.. next day staff do a backdated return and the fine is recalculated for the previous day.. thus decreased again.
09:18 ashimema      The offsets, decrease/increase just reflect the change since the last run.. so if your rules have changed to reduce the amount per day and then the script runs.. it'll result in a decrease.
09:17 ashimema      If it's not returned the fine rules come into play and the fine is recalculated from scratch with every run of the script
09:17 ashimema      You 'fix' the fine by marking the item as 'returned'.. though that could of course be one of the lost states
09:16 ashimema      What cait said basically
08:58 cait          if you want to freeze the fine, you'll have to reutrn the item and check it out again
08:57 cait          have a look at your fine settings in the circulation rules
08:57 cait          it will be recalculatedwith every run of the script
08:57 cait          as long as the item is not return, adjusting the fine with SQL won't work
08:57 cait          hugoagud: koha calculates the fine everyday according to your circulation rules
08:57 Joubu         I should have a look at the DB, one day..
08:56 cait          hea is up to 17.065  + 600 from last month :)
08:48 Joubu         Hi hugoagud, ashimema is our "accounts" expert
08:35 hugoagud      I am trying to adjust a fine directly from mysql, but koha adjusts the fine with overdue_decrease
08:34 hugoagud      good morning, I have an issue with fines.pl, anybody knows when and why fines.pl generate overdue_decrease?
08:34 Joubu         did it happen again?
08:32 mtj           i wonder if splitting the koha git repo could help with the gitea OOM problem?
08:29 ashimema      one thing at a time 😉
08:29 ashimema      yup
08:29 Joubu         to move
08:29 Joubu         we already have the mailing list and the wiki (I also have a "split and shrink git repo" somewhere)
08:28 ashimema      I know the strengths of bugzilla too
08:28 ashimema      understandable
08:27 cait          and with the amount of bugs we have, that is a real plus for me
08:27 cait          they all usually appear to have quite basic searches
08:27 cait          haven't seen that in any issue tracker so far
08:27 cait          I really like Bugzilla's strong search capabilities
08:25 ashimema      anywho.. soapbox moment done
08:25 ashimema      plus, bz just "looks dated" so puts new developers off the project as a whole
08:25 ashimema      and commenting on code out of context all the time is a pain.
08:25 * ashimema    likes branches and merges requests.. I find the huge numbers of 'you attached this' messages in bugzilla really distracting and difficult
08:24 * ashimema    would love to see issues handled through gittea instead of bugzilla.. but that's any entirely different discussion.
08:21 Joubu         I am still waiting for BibLibre to confirm they will provide us the server
08:21 Joubu         mtj, tuxayo: It would be a move from mailman to discourse. I am "on it". Not at the moment but will be back to it after the release.
08:19 ashimema      mornin' #koha
07:31 wahanui       niihau, reiveune
07:31 reiveune      hello
07:28 cait          bbl
07:11 * cait        waves
05:31 mtj           i think importing a mailman repo into discourse, is probably a much more 'solved' problem than into gitea
05:29 mtj           i think using github would be a no-go, as we cant self-host it
03:41 tuxayo        Here is my example of issue tracker powered ML&forum : https://github.com/liberapay/salon#how-this-salon-works
03:38 tuxayo        (assuming the OOM of Gitea are solvable!)
03:38 tuxayo        But actually, would there be a significant advantage to justify the hosting of Discourse compared to using our Gitea? Considering that you don't lack of things to do :P
03:38 tuxayo        I wasn't serious about it since there was (and is more than before!) hope that someone could have the time to setup and maintain a Discourse.
03:29 mtj           hmmm, thats an interesting usage of a self-hosted gitlab
03:28 tuxayo        For many project forges are really great, host/find and instance of Gitea or Gitlab, get a git server, an issues tracker, a forum&ML and a wiki!
03:28 tuxayo        Because the issue tracker is a forum and a mailing list. Just create a few projects without a repo and only the issue tracker and voilà. I've seen projects do this
03:27 tuxayo        For the record (or other projects than Koha), in case we don't have the time resources to host a Discouse I was starting to think of a fallback with our forge, Gitea.
03:21 tuxayo        I think that's the missing thing. Because otherwise the idea has been well received.
03:20 tuxayo        :D
03:20 mtj           i'd be keen to help setting up a discourse
03:17 tuxayo        *via email
03:17 mtj           ah yes, that makes sense
03:17 tuxayo        It's even possible to answer email
03:17 tuxayo        mtj discourse can work as a mailing list. IIUC: Make account, go to a category (~sub forum) and subscribe to it selecting to be notified to everything
03:12 mtj           is it possible to run both discouse and mailman at the same time? - or would we need to do a hard-switch to discourse?
03:11 mtj           hi pabloab, tuxayo - i really like the idea of discouse software :)
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