Time  Nick          Message
06:27 reiveune      hello
06:27 hermitcl      hola
06:42 alex_a        Bonjour
06:43 hermitcl      and to all a good night
06:57 cait1         good morning #koha
06:58 magnuse       \o/
07:07 ashimema      I'm retesting bug 27064 again tuxayo.. sounds like you're seeing very different behaviour to what I was seeing.. I must be missing something
07:07 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27064 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Transferring an item with a hold allows the user to set a hold waiting without transferring to the correct branch
07:12 ashimema      ok.. looks like it's broken again!
08:24 ashimema      @later tell tuxayo, sorry dude, bug 27064 is back to working.. seems I messed up part of the re-arrangement and lost part of the code change on '(QA follow-up) Do not create transfer prior to accepting it'.. it should be working now.
08:24 huginn        ashimema: The operation succeeded.
09:28 ashimema      @later tell tuxayo I'm not sure I understand your final comment on bug 28368 I'm afraid.. feel free to catch me some time to discus
09:28 huginn        ashimema: The operation succeeded.
10:02 tuxayo        Hi #koha o/
10:05 tuxayo        ashimema: I'll check out bz 27064 again soon
10:07 tuxayo        bz 28368, I was wondering if the following is a bug: create debit type with price 0.00, try to buy them,  it just refreshes the page and does nothing
10:07 tuxayo        Just noticed when testing the bug, no influence on the ticket.
10:08 ashimema      interesting, I don't think I ever even considered that as a use case..
10:08 ashimema      it might be..
10:25 tuxayo        Ok, I'll report and will see. Thank for insight.
10:25 ashimema      I have the customer on a call at the moment.. I'll ask.
10:26 tuxayo        oh great!
10:30 ashimema      interesting
10:31 ashimema      right now they don't use cash management for stock management at all.. so it works as they expect..
10:31 ashimema      However.. they did point out that they do zero amount transactions as a way to open the cash register (we have a javascript plugin that triggers their tills to open under certain conditions).
10:31 ashimema      and we used to record that as a zero amount transactions for audit..
10:32 ashimema      so..
10:32 ashimema      in short.. it probably is a bug worth reporting.. or two perhaps.. one for 'open till' and one for 'zero amount transaction'
10:47 tuxayo        ashimema: what is the 'open till' thing?
10:47 ashimema      as in.. they have actual physical cash registers
10:48 ashimema      where they store money
10:48 ashimema      so when they make a payment it triggers the cash regsiter to open so they cnan put money in/ take change etc
10:49 ashimema      there are occassionals where thy need to open the till for other reasons.. like.. they have keys stored in the till for certain services.. so they need to trigger the till to open to get at the key.
10:49 ashimema      or they want to swap change from one till to another
11:29 tcohen        hola
11:37 oleonard-away Hi tcohen
11:56 oleonard      Useful? Or confusing? https://zivotdesign.com/p/#1/16214252613854
11:56 tcohen        It is great, oleonard
11:57 tcohen        go for it
12:02 * oleonard    will
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28187: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6d323a0b20e74c52a93793eed2e7c3d7b656912>
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28351: (bug 26261) Fix datepicker for dateformat ne mm/dd/yyyy <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=539396fb27e02118d34f3b914fd2baffee752aa7>
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28187: Exclude dtrg-group from row striping. <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1d81d1fa7d417ca1e3f4b382d876252b6267ae7>
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28317: Use the default CGI::Session serializer <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb90cbf4eb42e2ac63363a113cb5eb7f33459ac0>
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: (follow-up) Do not check subfield unless tag defined <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e00dc78e4ed01678f037a970487fd871fa3e70f>
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: Always pass permanent location from items editor if it was defined <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5bd16410a5c2dc597c265eec46a771cceec72bb>
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: Check the MARC directly, not the transformed item <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=db382ebaffd393151e0ebd8e6579f5c11969a90c>
13:08 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: Unit tests for blank permanent location <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=56d895da8be38bed9587ff480786ed6cf55cacce>
13:09 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28255: Follow up to bug 23463 - use item_object in misc/cronjobs/delete_items.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=423421eb64f0130d9cb194e572f4ca89937b02a4>
13:09 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: Permanent location to be empty string, check if key exists <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa1d86920bd0392b4894fa2e756dcb41f2f7a5ec>
13:09 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: Prevent the tests to fail is the field is mapped <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b1c4c4f65c787e1c6a9548b087d4e0f760a0533>
13:09 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: Add unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99f67cb04c2bd03e9ac5c6d01688bf9520d10595>
13:09 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27837: Update permanent location if passed into ModItemFromMarc <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=97647da9a0541cb02ab0777ead388c8ff99a0424>
13:09 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27724: Use lenient also in Elasticsearch authorities search <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=32f2026c1b6d5b97e6594020383940063d2b6fca>
13:09 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27724: Add unit test <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb3c3d56855e001bf608a3bf157c087e655c5c04>
13:32 Joubu         dev meeting in ~30min
13:45 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #334: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/334/
13:52 tuxayo        meeting in 10!
13:57 tuxayo        qa_team? rmaints?
13:58 tuxayo        wahanui missing
13:58 tuxayo        qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo
13:58 tuxayo        rmaints is probably fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo
13:59 fridolin      yey
13:59 fridolin      # Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France
13:59 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe.
13:59 ashimema      oh
13:59 ashimema      not actually started
13:59 ashimema      lol
14:00 tuxayo        lol
14:00 tuxayo        didn't though about this confusion ^^"
14:01 tcohen        #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:02 Joubu         #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 19 May 2021
14:02 huginn        Meeting started Wed May 19 14:02:18 2021 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:02 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:02 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_19_may_2021'
14:02 Joubu         #topic Introductions
14:02 tuxayo        #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
14:02 Joubu         #info Jonathan Druart
14:02 tcohen        #info Tomás Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:02 oleonard-away #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:02 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_19_May_2021
14:03 lukeG1        #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions
14:03 ashimema      thanks for all the testing tuxayo
14:04 tuxayo        ashimema: np, we will get this ticket! ^^
14:04 Joubu         #topic Announcements
14:04 Joubu         Anyone have something?
14:04 cait1         meeting? :)
14:04 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
14:05 cait1         sorry, need to scroll down first :)
14:05 cait1         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:05 Joubu         #topic Update from the Release Manager (21.05)
14:05 Joubu         ok so that's me
14:05 Joubu         No major will be pushed from now
14:05 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:05 Joubu         I will be conservative for the last week
14:05 Joubu         some links:
14:05 Joubu         * https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Pushed%20to%20master&keywords=release-notes-needed%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=372816&query_format=advanced
14:06 Joubu         missing release notes for 21.05 ^
14:06 tuxayo        only critical and blocker?
14:06 ashimema      :)
14:06 ashimema      No majors.. or Only majors?
14:06 Joubu         * https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate the 21.05 candidates
14:06 ashimema      ah, yes..
14:06 ashimema      Critical/Blockers.. that makes sense
14:06 Joubu         no >= majors!
14:06 Joubu         no < majors!
14:07 Joubu         * https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_roadmap
14:07 Joubu         ^ the roadmap for 21.11, please add your names. New topics poped up
14:07 tuxayo        Ok, the calendar says "Only > major", it seemed odd
14:07 Joubu         there are still rooms for all of you
14:07 Joubu         please read again the whole document and put your names there
14:08 Joubu         * and, a new one: https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_tech_release_notes
14:08 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #297: SUCCESS in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/297/
14:08 Joubu         I will send an email to the list shortly. You know the idea already. We want to highlight what has been done for this cycle
14:08 Joubu         Arggggg
14:08 Joubu         https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_tech_release_notes
14:08 Joubu         This ^, we are still in 21.05..
14:09 Joubu         I am messing with everything
14:09 Joubu         so, with all the effort I made to create confusions, do you have any questions?
14:10 Joubu         #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=Pushed%20to%20master&keywords=release-notes-needed%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&list_id=372816&query_format=advanced
14:10 Joubu         #link https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate
14:10 Joubu         #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_roadmap
14:10 Joubu         #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_tech_release_notes
14:11 tcohen        is there a deadline for the roadmap?
14:11 tcohen        :-D
14:11 Joubu         we decided on June 1st IIRC
14:11 fridolin      Git repository shrinking++
14:12 Joubu         fridolin: add your name to "Remove remaining SQL based installers", we will need you (and few others) for fr-FR
14:12 Joubu         and UNIMARC
14:12 fridolin      ich id like to see jajm on that better
14:13 fridolin      i prefer focus on other parts like ES
14:13 Joubu         yeah, I prefer to focus on other parts as well
14:13 Joubu         but it needs to be done
14:13 fridolin      indeed
14:13 ashimema      we're so close.. :|
14:13 Joubu         I'd like to ask Nicolas and Séverine from BULAC, and Sonia
14:14 ashimema      don't let it get to a third RM having to deal with it.
14:14 ashimema      ;)
14:14 fridolin      yep
14:14 fridolin      i add my name to it
14:14 Joubu         thx
14:14 Joubu         tcohen: I'd like you on Remove Mod/AddItemFromMarc from item form
14:14 ashimema      fridolin, can you envisage a hackfest this coming cycle?
14:14 ashimema      it's the sort of thing where trapping the right people in a room for half a day and it'll be done..
14:14 tcohen        Joubu sure!
14:15 Joubu         tcohen: we need to decide for the merge of the old/deleted* tables
14:15 Joubu         if we continue or drop
14:15 tcohen        we should do it
14:15 fridolin      ashimema: sure, as soon as possible HF in marseille
14:15 Joubu         so it must be on the roadmap
14:15 * ashimema    needs to renew his passport
14:16 ashimema      We should do it..
14:16 Joubu         pubs reopening today in France so hackfest is possible finally
14:16 ashimema      but I don't know what's still required..
14:16 tcohen        +1
14:16 ashimema      is that not the one tomas and I pouired hours into QAing once.. perhaps twice.. already?
14:16 ashimema      things have moved again since then.. but I think it's another one that feels very close and need a final push
14:16 ashimema      lol
14:16 Joubu         bug 20271 and bug 25260
14:17 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20271 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables
14:17 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Merge 'reserves' and 'old_reserves' into a new 'holds' table
14:17 * ashimema    thinks some items on the roadmpa would lend themselves to group hack sessions at hackfest
14:18 tuxayo        fridolin: if you can raise the question at BibLibre, because there are chances that a hackfest will be possible in the last months of the year
14:19 Joubu         ok, moving on?
14:19 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master build #1652: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1652/
14:19 Joubu         #topic  Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:19 fridolin      sure
14:20 fridolin      Release of 20.11.06 will be around 25
14:20 fridolin      i'm up to date with master
14:20 fridolin      nothing pending i'd say
14:20 fridolin      Joubu: are there backoports to higlight ?
14:21 Joubu         I don't know
14:21 tcohen        yes
14:22 fridolin      whooo I see Kyle and Nick will be on 21.05.x, super cool
14:22 tcohen        bug 28351 is mandatory for all stables down to 20.05
14:22 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28351 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Cannot set restrictions when 'dateformat' is other than 'us'
14:22 cait1         :)
14:22 cait1         hackfest++
14:23 cait1         for the raodmap: i put some comments also on the older ones - maybe check those
14:23 fridolin      hackfest in Marseille is probably for 2022, sorry
14:23 tuxayo        ok, noted 28351 to watch
14:23 cait1         too bad... maybe we shoudl try a virtual one
14:23 fridolin      oki notes
14:23 fridolin      noted
14:23 tcohen        +1 for an improvised hackfest once they allow us to get into Europe
14:23 fridolin      i'll catch master on friday
14:24 cait1         so people can plan on having free time for a timeframe and we could use zoom rooms or so
14:24 ashimema      virtual hackfest perhaps?
14:24 ashimema      so we have something to look forward to this year?
14:24 fridolin      yep but real IPA ^^
14:24 cait1         yeah, not hte same by far...
14:24 tcohen        fridolin hehe
14:24 ashimema      indeed
14:24 cait1         but it could be helpful still to some extend
14:24 cait1         i think the french librairans had one with some success?
14:24 fridolin      we made a virtual biblibre meeting with online games a night and real IPAs
14:24 tuxayo        :D
14:24 Joubu         yes but they had real cheese, not virtual
14:25 tcohen        oleonard is 'get rid of jquery-ui' already on the roadmap?
14:25 oleonard      No, but in my mind the datepicker was the biggest impediment to doing so
14:25 oleonard      If we agreed on a replacement that would really push the process forward.
14:26 cait1         makes sense
14:26 fridolin      +1
14:26 tcohen        go for it!
14:27 ashimema      perhaps ask henryb and wananui to help find an accessibility friendly one?
14:27 tuxayo        *Wainui
14:27 ashimema      dang.. thanks
14:27 ashimema      keyboard blurr.. :P
14:28 oleonard      I can work on a test patch with flatpickr just to get a feel for it
14:28 ashimema      :)
14:29 tcohen        oleonard++
14:29 Joubu         so, moving on? :D
14:29 Joubu         hard to stick to the current topic :)
14:29 tcohen        but, for the sake of the meeting, add it to the roadmap
14:29 Joubu         # Actions from last meeting
14:29 Joubu         #topic Actions from last meeting
14:30 Joubu         * ashimema Write a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' (context of bug 27695)
14:30 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27695 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to stable , Fix style of messages on Elasticsearch configuration page
14:30 ashimema      I was aiming to do it for next cycle..
14:30 Joubu         #action ashimema Write a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' (context of bug 27695)
14:30 ashimema      kinda thought the next dev meeting was next cycle.. last meeting.. oops
14:30 ashimema      so one last postpone ;)
14:30 ashimema      hugs
14:30 Joubu         * kidclamp Ask the ML for additional info about how to implement opt-out for notices. One idea would be to have "My message" at the OPAC (postponed)
14:31 Joubu         #action kidclamp Ask the ML for additional info about how to implement opt-out for notices. One idea would be to have "My message" at the OPAC (postponed)
14:31 Joubu         #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:32 Joubu         we can discuss anything you want now :)
14:32 ashimema      Too close to end of cycle for me.. my brain is
14:32 ashimema      mush
14:32 ashimema      hehe
14:33 thd           Sleep and eating some mushy mush helps with brain mush ;)
14:34 * thd         needs more sleep at the moment
14:34 oleonard      Same.
14:34 Joubu         #topic Set time of next meeting
14:35 Joubu         #info Next meeting: 2 June 2021, 14 UTC
14:35 Joubu         #endmeeting
14:35 huginn        Meeting ended Wed May 19 14:35:14 2021 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
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14:35 ashimema      +1
14:35 ashimema      thanks Joubu
14:35 tuxayo        thanks Joubu for chairing, thanks everyone
14:35 * thd         will post another wiki DB migration and update next week with many fixes.
14:35 fridolin      thank Joubu
14:36 * ashimema    gets back to the brain breaking enhancement a customer has asked for
14:36 Joubu         please guys, the release notes, the technical release notes, and the 21.11 roadmap <3
14:36 ashimema      :)
14:37 Joubu         and, eventually, if you have some time after that, there are a blocker for the release. Bug 28385
14:37 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28385 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , ldap server configuration broken since migration from XML::Simple
14:37 ashimema      ack.. I should probably have spotted that one!
14:37 ashimema      ldap xml is funky in place
14:38 tuxayo        I'll ask for a test plan in the ticket (if anyone know, feel free to add one), I know almost nothing about LDAP but I have hope ^^
14:39 Joubu         and bug 28386, ashimema will have a look but maybe additional eyes are needed
14:39 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28386 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace dev_map.yaml from release_tools with .mailmap
14:39 tuxayo        enhancement?
14:39 Joubu         enhancement from the RM, it's blocker for the release ;)
14:39 tuxayo        oh ok, it's release_tools
14:45 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1657: SUCCESS in 1 hr 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1657/
14:45 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #593: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/593/
14:53 * thd         sleeps a little ...
15:02 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #298: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/298/
15:08 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #576: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/576/
15:17 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #175: UNSTABLE in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U_Stable/175/
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15:27 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1658: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1658/
15:54 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #335: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/335/
17:17 reiveune      bye