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17:09 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #88: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/88/
16:51 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #98: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/98/
16:40 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #81: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/81/
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16:19 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #104: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/104/
16:04 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #87: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/87/
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15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: Allow displaying biblios with all items hidden by OpacHiddenItems <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a0be09d633dbff5e7ca010361394844b3d1e5e3>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: Add atomic update <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9a2be7ef7c274c24bf5aa5bf40c6d61387c257d>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: (QA follow-up) Terminology fixes and linking the system preference in... <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c257d7dd3f9872b329a82f5f97111416c653cf21>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: (QA follow-up) Have new preference default to current behaviour <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d43d8c905cc518170fe858f717feab44597cd17a>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28091: add meta content with Koha version to staff client pages <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=52b4908dd386f05aae91134332e54fb6c390a70c>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: Fix syspref's value selection <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7998536866e8be46033507e0dd53f7085b3e4585>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28189: Move swagger file to YAML format <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c16e0110e62f57d7eedf07d9ffe3ddc334f4070>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: (QA follow-up) Make Koha::Biblio->hidden_in_opac aware of OpacHiddenItemsH... <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=98263bf00973e58ffba50d02b74f2301b80d6649>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: (QA follow-up) Make controllers use Koha::Biblio->hidden_in_opac <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8de3d9a95f2f3a01b5ed309805d81c698ac8e550>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: Restore hidding items on detail <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=48951c791a376a8a8945c6b9a37ac6bdb3efc3a1>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28091: Only show for logged in users <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3ec1b978e0715cbf52964176fe527ffb1cdfde1a>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28189: (QA folloq-up) Fix fallback case <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1915eb24bb74ec909cee6d208ad2e5f5d58586a>
15:48 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 18989: DBRev 20.12.00.050 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2612d32390fc5e6825427799f9ddc1c7f949982>
15:45 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #103: SUCCESS in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/103/
15:43 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #97: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/97/
15:38 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #82: SUCCESS in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/82/
15:30 fridolin      thanks again
15:30 fridolin      oki
15:30 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #80: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/80/
15:30 Joubu         well, it's not in master, it's for 20.11
15:29 Joubu         yes
15:28 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28248 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Exception when getting all orders
15:28 fridolin      Joubu: Bug 28248 I must backport right ?
15:26 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #102: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/102/
15:19 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27916 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Fee paid message can crash SIP server if paying fee that is not "renewable"
15:19 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28200 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Net::Netmask 1.9104-2 requires constructor change for backwards compatibility
15:19 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28302 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Koha does not work with CGI::Compile 0.24
15:19 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28317 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Remove CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml dependency by using the default serializer
15:19 tuxayo        In case that helps, here are the explicitly highlighted tickets during the meeting: bug 28317 bug 28302 bug 28200 bug 27916
15:19 * tuxayo      will continue reading the history latter.
15:18 henryb        :D
15:18 cait1         :)
15:18 cait1         henryb: i sure hope so!
15:18 tuxayo        Enjoy! cait1 :)
15:17 ashimema      lol
15:17 henryb        Enjoy your holiday cait1! Do the other caits get the day off too?
15:16 cait1         we have a holiday here tomorrow, back Friday latest
15:16 cait1         :)
15:13 tuxayo        Some long history article about Koha: https://librarytechnology.org/document/24481
15:11 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #86: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/86/
15:07 fridolin      ok thanks
15:06 Joubu         no
15:06 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27621 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Remove it-IT installer data
15:06 fridolin      Joubu: hi, Bug 27621 do I backport ?
15:04 tuxayo        And there was an automated test!
15:04 tuxayo        21 years ago ^^"
15:03 reiveune      bye
14:59 Joubu         https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/kumara/commit/959927dc743b84527ca032d63cedb198dc65e120
14:59 tuxayo        :D
14:59 Joubu         https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/kumara
14:59 Joubu         not that link
14:59 Joubu         https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Git_Splitting_and_Shrinking
14:58 Joubu         and kumara history is still available (and counted in the git stats)
14:57 ashimema      I'm sure I've seen that mentioned a few times
14:57 ashimema      I did know about Kumara though :)..
14:57 * ashimema    commits that to his memory instead
14:57 ashimema      I love that.. 'Cheap, Cheerful Copy of Catalist' is a much cooler history
14:57 oleonard      henryb: wizzyrea would have been working with good data but it doesn't look like it was maintained
14:57 ashimema      oh cool
14:56 ashimema      nice find henry
14:56 tcohen        :-D
14:56 tcohen        I always thought it was a reference to code4lib.org
14:56 tuxayo        :D thanks for these infos
14:56 henryb        "According to Chris Cormack, C4 meant "It might go asplodey in your face." Little known fact: Koha was also briefly named Kumara (sweet potato)"
14:56 henryb        "Koha was originally called "C4" which according to Rosalie Blake at HLT meant "Cheap, Cheerful Copy of Catalist" (their former system)."
14:55 henryb        Is this official? By wizzyrea: https://www.timetoast.com/timelines/koha-releases
14:55 * ashimema    asked rangi once
14:54 ashimema      something like that anyway
14:54 ashimema      so they called Koha's module namespace 'C4' as a throw back..
14:54 ashimema      The system they had at Horowhenua before Koha was called C2 or something like that I think..
14:49 oleonard      Modules in the C4 directory instead of Koha
14:49 tuxayo        BTW what does the C4 namespace means?
14:47 ashimema      https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Teams#21.05_Team updated :)
14:46 oleonard      If we check the log I think you'll find that adding a time machine to Koha has always been part of the plan.
14:46 tuxayo        time machine running Koha lol. Talk about feature creep
14:45 oleonard      We find out in the future that once enough bugs are reported in Bugzilla, the bugs become sentient.
14:45 henryb        Unfortunately, the bugs all get together and send a super bug back in time to break the time machine
14:44 henryb        Amazing film pitch: use it to write patches for future bugs not yet reported
14:41 tuxayo        good film pitch: use it to report bad bugs and bring patches from the future
14:41 oleonard      Basically what Hermione did with the Time-Turner in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.
14:40 tcohen        henryb hahahaha
14:40 oleonard      Shoot I didn't check the month :D
14:40 henryb        Terrible film pitch: someone creates a time machine and uses it to attend more meetings
14:39 tuxayo        nope, started in october 2017
14:39 tcohen        indeed :-D
14:38 tuxayo        :o
14:38 oleonard      tuxayo: We saw you in 2017, so I guess your message back in time worked
14:38 henryb        Thanks all!
14:38 tuxayo        thanks oleonard for supplying the backup confettis
14:36 tuxayo        thanks for chairing joubu++ ashimema++
14:36 tcohen        Joubu++
14:36 tcohen        koha++
14:36 tuxayo        See you in 2017 o/
14:36 kohaputti     thanks!
14:36 ashimema      thanks everyone
14:35 huginn        Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_12_march_2021.2021-05-12-14.01.log.html
14:35 huginn        Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_12_march_2021.2021-05-12-14.01.txt
14:35 huginn        Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_12_march_2021.2021-05-12-14.01.html
14:35 huginn        Meeting ended Wed May 12 14:35:56 2021 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:35 ashimema      #endmeeting
14:35 ashimema      ok, lets call it that then :)
14:35 tuxayo        shoots, it's #info so my example ended up in the log :o
14:35 ashimema      ok with everyone?
14:35 ashimema      #info Next meeting: 09 June 2021, 14 UTC
14:34 tuxayo        #info Next meeting: 26 July 2017, 14 UTC
14:34 Joubu         otherwise it will overlap with dev meeting
14:34 * ashimema    tries to remember the syntax or the script.. it's been a while ;)
14:34 Joubu         9th is in 4w
14:34 ashimema      16th June sound reasonable..
14:34 Joubu         14UTC
14:33 * ashimema    should have prepped this bit
14:33 ashimema      #topic Time for next meeting
14:33 ashimema      ok
14:32 tuxayo        ^^
14:32 thd           Good to see that some of my system fonts work for confetti :)
14:32 ashimema      anyone have any other buisines?
14:32 ashimema      Looks like it was a clear slate last meeting :)
14:32 ashimema      #topic Actions from last meeting
14:32 oleonard      (ง ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)ง
14:32 oleonard      ٩(✪ꀾ⍟༶)و
14:31 tuxayo        🎊
14:31 tuxayo        ✧*。٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و✧*。
14:31 ashimema      confetti!
14:30 tuxayo        ✧*。٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و✧*。
14:30 ashimema      🎊
14:30 tcohen        confetti!
14:30 tuxayo        confetti!
14:30 huginn        Yes (12): Joubu, cait1, oleonard, ashimema, tuxayo, kohaputti, khall, kidclamp, henryb, tcohen, nugged, thd
14:30 huginn        Voted on "Do we agree to vote in the next release team as it stands on the wiki page right now?" Results are
14:30 ashimema      #endvote
14:30 ashimema      1
14:30 ashimema      2
14:30 kidclamp      #vote yes
14:30 ashimema      3
14:30 ashimema      4
14:30 ashimema      5
14:29 ashimema      OK.. will give it another minute for stragglers then call it.
14:29 Joubu         nugged: great to see you around ;)
14:29 tuxayo        Vote isn't case sensitive
14:29 nugged        #vote yes
14:29 ashimema      but.. she will have the backup of a good team at catalyst behind her.. Aliesha, Chris etc.
14:29 kohaputti     #vote yes
14:28 kohaputti     ok, I trust you guys, then my vote:
14:28 ashimema      She is new at catalyst kohaputti, she's been working through accessability bugs to date
14:28 tuxayo        kohaputti: Wainui is from Catalyst
14:28 henryb        #vote Yes
14:28 khall         #vote Yes
14:28 ashimema      I've never worked out if it's case sensative.. but it does take your last vote if you vote twice ;)
14:28 kohaputti     probably yes, but who is Wainui Witika-Park for 19.11 release maintainer?
14:27 * tuxayo      check the old votes
14:27 oleonard      #vote Yes
14:27 tuxayo        hum
14:27 tcohen        #vote Yes
14:27 thd           #vote Yes
14:27 tcohen        wait, is is case sensitive?
14:27 cait1         got to go! reading back later!
14:27 Joubu         #vote yes
14:27 henryb        #vote yes
14:27 tcohen        #vote yes
14:27 tuxayo        #vote yes
14:27 ashimema      #vote Yes
14:27 cait1         #vote yes
14:26 huginn        Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:26 huginn        Begin voting on: Do we agree to vote in the next release team as it stands on the wiki page right now? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:26 ashimema      #startvote Do we agree to vote in the next release team as it stands on the wiki page right now? Yes, No, Abstain
14:26 cait1         the question part :)
14:26 cait1         or it won't like it
14:26 cait1         and end with a ?
14:26 cait1         yep
14:26 cait1         i think it's startvote question options
14:26 ashimema      / #startvote <Question> <Options, comma separated>
14:26 cait1         it's on the chairing meetings wiki page :P
14:25 tcohen        yes :-D
14:25 Joubu         what's the vote syntax?
14:23 Joubu         yes, nice QA team :)
14:23 cait1         everyone signing up fresh for QA: expect a weekly email from me :)
14:23 ashimema      #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_roadmap Provisional Roadmap for 21.11
14:23 cait1         I got to leave in 5 minutes, but could you count a +1 from me for the elections? Really happy overall, especially with growing QA team
14:23 ashimema      all good henry.. we'll sort them once we have an initial list and have pinned people down to help ;)
14:23 Joubu         henryb: no worries, we will reorder later
14:22 cait1         if it's accessilbity that might be a good spot :)
14:22 henryb        Oops, I just added mine at the top
14:22 cait1         Joubu: maybe we can talk sometime about how the move could progress (namespace)
14:22 ashimema      yup
14:21 Joubu         cait1: topics without enough people will be moved down
14:21 ashimema      we want to keep the list short and work through it.. if we finish one, perhaps we can add another in it's place.. capping a maximum that can appear on it at any given time or something along those lines.
14:21 Joubu         kohaputti: I've stopped working on moving code from C4 to Koha because it took too long to get the changes tested and QAed
14:21 ashimema      as part of 'IRC Meeting Facilitator' we talk about keeping roadmap topics on track.. that's where I intend on focusing most of my effort in that role (and I suggested perhaps we rename the role if it makes sense to)
14:20 cait1         also helps to see where we need to push qa/testing
14:20 cait1         maybe good to mark what you will be focusing on first /highest priority
14:20 cait1         i am a little worried we will get a long list but be spread out too much
14:19 ashimema      certainly tcohen
14:19 cait1         #info June 1st is the deadline for the 21.11 roadmap
14:19 tcohen        ashimema can you help me with the holds table again, this cycle?
14:19 kohaputti     The C4-namespace stuff is still causing delays in fixing bugs
14:19 Joubu         you can still help other topics when you will have done all the ones you commited to
14:19 cait1         can we info that?
14:19 cait1         are we planning on prioritizing projects too?
14:19 Joubu         good idea, ashimema ;)
14:18 ashimema      I've had a quick look but not a really detailed one yet.. I don't want to over-commit myself this time ;)
14:18 * ashimema    too
14:18 Joubu         June 1st
14:18 cait1         if that's ok?
14:18 cait1         I'll try to check out the roadmap for possible additions before next week
14:18 tcohen        :-D
14:18 Joubu         I won't help nothing big not in the roadmap
14:18 tcohen        what is the deadline for the roadmap?
14:17 ashimema      +1
14:17 tcohen        Agreed
14:17 Joubu         if you need my help, please add your topic/work there
14:17 cait1         makes sense to me
14:17 Joubu         which is really what I would like to do next cycle, focussing on what is in the roadmap
14:17 Joubu         #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_roadmap
14:17 Joubu         from this link, there is "Most of my time will be on RM duties and help the 21.11 roadmap topics"
14:16 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Proposal_for_RM_21.11_joubu
14:16 ashimema      indeed
14:16 cait1         Sally++
14:16 cait1         i think she wanted to, but was still figuring out docs manager role?
14:16 henryb        Sally++
14:16 cait1         I think we could still nominate caroline_catlady later - if she is not around now
14:15 tcohen        Agustin
14:15 tcohen        he forgot to add himself
14:15 tcohen        yes
14:15 ashimema      I just added Sally as a bugwrangler.. she's just getting the go ahead for it from her boss ;).. we can remove it if she doesn't but I wanted it on there for the vote
14:15 Joubu         (I have proof of that)
14:15 kohaputti     Agustin was in 21.05 release team
14:15 kohaputti     Is Agustin Moyano wanting to continue in QA?
14:15 Joubu         ashimema: AndrewFH told me he is willing to do it for 22.05!
14:14 ashimema      hopefully I can make it feel like a good role for someone to step into for the 22.05 cycle
14:14 Joubu         caroline_catlady: no more in the documentation team?
14:14 ashimema      no worries..
14:14 Joubu         Thanks ashimema for picking the IRC role!
14:14 oleonard      ✧*。٩(ˊᗜˋ*)و✧*。 <- confetti alternative
14:14 kidclamp      #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:13 khall         #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:13 tuxayo        lol
14:13 cait1         tuxayo: right... might have to postpone elections withotu confettis! ;)
14:13 Joubu         Do we missing people there?
14:13 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_21.11
14:13 Joubu         #topic Election of the Koha 21.11 Release Team
14:12 Joubu         #info stable releases are scheduled for 24/25th
14:12 tuxayo        We can't do confettis!
14:12 tuxayo        > wahanui is not with us!
14:11 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:11 Joubu         @later tell rangi wahanui is not with us!
14:11 cait1         sorry,... my alarm didn't go off
14:10 Joubu         rmaints?
14:10 Joubu         #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:10 cait1         #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:10 Joubu         any questions?
14:10 * ashimema    will have another go at a test
14:09 Joubu         and there are 4 criticals (check the dashboard), waiting for patches!
14:09 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27916 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Fee paid message can crash SIP server if paying fee that is not "renewable"
14:09 Joubu         need eyes on bug 27916
14:09 Joubu         n
14:09 ashimema      it's been a busy few days :|
14:09 ashimema      Their at the top of my list for after this meeting ;)
14:08 Joubu         at least those 3
14:08 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28200 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Net::Netmask 1.9104-2 requires constructor change for backwards compatibility
14:08 Joubu         bug 28200
14:08 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28302 major, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Koha does not work with CGI::Compile 0.24
14:08 Joubu         bug 28302
14:08 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28317 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , Remove CGI::Session::Serialize::yaml dependency by using the default serializer
14:08 Joubu         bug 28317
14:08 Joubu         there are some there that are blocker for the release
14:07 Joubu         that's the one you should have bookmarked already
14:07 Joubu         https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate
14:07 Joubu         all good for me, please focus on the 21.05 tag
14:07 ashimema      nice to see you patrov_ :)
14:07 Joubu         #topic Update from the Release Manager (21.05)
14:06 ashimema      #info Release is scheduled for 28th May - Keep your final bugfixes and qa momentum going everyone :)
14:06 kohaputti     Joubu, ok
14:06 Joubu         kohaputti: Bernardo told me he can regenerate the strings if needed later today
14:06 tcohen        :-d
14:06 tcohen        can we wait one more day?
14:05 petrov_       #info Petro Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, Oulu
14:05 Joubu         Nothing much PQA today so I think you are good for starting the translation
14:05 kohaputti     was? :)
14:05 Joubu         #info String freeze is today!
14:05 ashimema      You've sent out the release schedule and dates.. we could remind people the email is out there ;)
14:05 ashimema      :P
14:04 Joubu         #info Koha is awesome!
14:04 ashimema      Koha is awesome!
14:04 Joubu         Anyone have something?
14:04 Joubu         #topic Announcements
14:04 nugged        #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, Oulu
14:03 henryb        #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
14:03 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:03 tcohen        #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:03 ashimema      sure thing
14:03 Joubu         I am in a meeting, please help me chairing
14:03 tuxayo        ha ha
14:03 huginn        Current chairs: Joubu ashimema cait
14:03 huginn        Warning: Nick not in channel: cait
14:03 ashimema      qa_team?
14:03 Joubu         #chair cait
14:03 huginn        Current chairs: Joubu ashimema
14:03 Joubu         #chair ashimema
14:02 Joubu         #topic Introductions
14:02 * ashimema    is waiting on a confirmation to add a name to that little group
14:02 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK
14:02 ashimema      that post is usually one that fills up
14:02 thd           #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:02 kohaputti     #info Joonas Kylmälä
14:02 ashimema      funny.. we don't have any Bugwrangler standing yet
14:01 oleonard      #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio USA
14:01 nugged        o/
14:01 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_12_May_2021
14:01 tuxayo        #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
14:01 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_12_march_2021'
14:01 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 huginn        Meeting started Wed May 12 14:01:31 2021 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 Joubu         #startmeeting General IRC meeting 12 March 2021
13:59 kohaputti     Joubu, awesome
13:58 Joubu         kohaputti: yes, the 21.05 project has been created few hours ago
13:58 cait1         yay :)
13:57 tuxayo        thanks for the weekly emails, it's motivating :D
13:57 nlegrand      ^^
13:57 cait1         love it
13:57 cait1         mailnig list etc.
13:57 cait1         thx for working on all the hard bugs :)
13:57 tuxayo        ?
13:57 cait1         tuxayo++
13:57 tuxayo        Hi #koha :)
13:56 kohaputti     the translation strings got just pushed?
13:52 oleonard      https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/circ/overdue.tt#L267
13:51 oleonard      Hm, I guess it's just an odd hack? https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/circ/overdue.tt#L176
13:49 oleonard-away Anyone know if there is a reason for an "x-code" attribute on a <script> tag? I can't seem to Google up anything about it.
13:27 tcohen        I'll be fine haha
13:27 cait1         tcohen: i am very worried about you
13:26 * tcohen      is anxious to rewrite all orders listing pages with the API now
13:24 Joubu         cait1: I have it in my calendar since last december ;)
13:22 cait1         on order line level
13:22 cait1         it#s ok, just looking for a field the library can use
13:22 cait1         it would totally make sense to have them there, but we don't
13:22 cait1         acq advanced search
13:21 tcohen        *holds * holds (says a little fairy in my brain)
13:21 tcohen        where are you looking at?
13:20 cait1         *sigh*
13:20 cait1         and the note fields
13:20 cait1         hm no good reason why we can't search sort1 and sort2 from orders... are there?
13:20 tcohen        thanks, indeed
13:18 cait1         thx kidclamp :)
13:18 kidclamp      you're both good :-)
13:17 kidclamp      tcohen++
13:17 kidclamp      cait++
13:17 tcohen        bad cait
13:17 tcohen        haha
13:17 tcohen        I'll go write it
13:17 tcohen        ah damn
13:17 tcohen        *useless
13:16 cait1         we'll have to rememberlater then :) batch editing stuff here
13:16 cait1         not right now, but thought worth writing it down smewhere
13:16 tcohen        I'm rushing to write some patches for holds while my brain is not completely useful
13:16 tcohen        yes! could you write it down?
13:16 cait1         :)
13:16 cait1         tcohen: should it be on the roadmap?
13:15 tcohen        will update it
13:15 tcohen        that's old (node v8)
13:15 tcohen        https://gitlab.com/thekesolutions/tools/koha-plugin-builder/container_registry
13:13 tcohen        henryb that's why I was asking, I use a docker container to run the build
13:13 tcohen        ashimema Joubu should we start planning the KohaAdvent21?
13:13 henryb        So you need to have gulp and npm etc. running locally rather than just in KTD?
13:13 tcohen        ah, good idea
13:12 henryb        I thought I'd start trying to edit an existing plugin but maybe it would be better to follow your example from the Koha advent
13:11 tcohen        structure?
13:11 tcohen        do you already have the plugin?
13:11 tcohen        a sec
13:11 henryb        tcohen++
13:11 henryb        Thank you tcohen that makes much more sense now!
13:10 tcohen        I use vscode for coding
13:10 henryb        thanks for showing me kup - I had missed that alias!
13:09 tcohen        exactly
13:09 henryb        so you work on the plugin outside of KTD and point KTD to the plugin files and test it works using KTD? Rather than editing the plugin code directly from within KTD?
13:09 * ashimema    needs to nip to the shops before the meeting.. bbiab
13:08 tcohen        henryb: once you launch with 'kup' instead of the old 'ku' you need to tweak koha-conf.xml to point to /kohadevbox/koha_plugin
13:08 ashimema      lol.. so 11gb for the ptfs-e one's right now.. and I have only 6gb physical.. must be swapping like mad lol
13:08 Joubu         so with 8G you can have MAX 6 sandboxes
13:07 Joubu         It's 1G for the elastic container, then 1G per sandbox
13:07 ashimema      hehe.. way ahead of me
13:07 tcohen        before running it
13:07 ashimema      you have to set another env right.. to point to a plugin
13:07 tcohen        you need to set PLUGIN_REPO=your/plugin/path
13:07 tcohen        the ku + plugin alias
13:07 tcohen        ok, then you have access to kup
13:06 henryb        tcohen yes I know ku/kd etc. but I have no idea how they work in the background
13:06 tcohen        however you launch KTD, take a look at the docker-compose.plugin.yml file
13:06 ashimema      no worries
13:05 ashimema      hehe
13:05 ashimema      Joubu is getting the biblibre one's setup and used the specs of the ptfs-e server to get an idea of what he needs.. our server is remarkably low spec for what it's running.. not really sure how it's still alive
13:05 khall         ashimema I really don't know, that's an Ops question ;)
13:05 tcohen        henryb are you familiar with the aliases we have?
13:05 ashimema      what size server are/were they running on khall
13:05 tcohen        henryb I'm opening my configuration files
13:04 khall         oleonard yep, they are still down. we are waiting on rackspace to upsize our private cloud so we can reluanch that server
13:03 ashimema      any tips for henryb
13:01 tcohen        I use it daily
13:01 ashimema      must admit though.. I've not really used it myself for that yet
13:01 ashimema      tcohen has added stuff to make k-t-d good for developing plugins..
13:00 henryb        Can/should you use koha testing docker to create and edit plugins? I'm trying to learn more about plugins from the excellent guides around but I'm too much of a beginner to follow the beginner's guides :(
12:56 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27899 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Missing description for libraryNotPickupLocation on request.pl
12:56 oleonard      tcohen: I can reproduce Bug 27899 using my usual testing database but not using the sample data. Do you know anything more specific about how to trigger the bug?
12:56 henryb        Hi everyone
12:35 ashimema      still.. whilst it's working I shant touch it.. haha
12:35 * ashimema    is actually surprised to see ptfs-e sandboxes up still at the moment.. i though i had them limited to 8 at the moment but it seems I forgot to reset from 10.. it's a bit under-resourced for 10..
12:34 ashimema      khall ^
12:33 ashimema      :)
12:33 tcohen        great!
12:30 oleonard      PTFS-E sandboxes very popular :)
12:28 Joubu         [off] oleonard: still testing - https://sandboxes.biblibre.eu
12:27 Joubu         ¡Ya esta! https://translate.koha-community.org/projects/21.05/
12:24 oleonard      ByWater sandboxes STILL down? Anyone know what's going on with that?
12:06 Joubu         would be good to have it pushed today (string freeze)
12:06 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27899 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Missing description for libraryNotPickupLocation on request.pl
12:06 Joubu         oleonard: can you have a second look at bug 27899 please?
11:55 oleonard      All I know is that the whole tags feature is neglected... has it changed at all since it was first introduced?
11:46 magnuse       or am i just misremembering how this used to be?
11:45 magnuse       did the behaviour of searching for tags change at some point? example: i have a koha where q=perl returns 5 hits. then i have tagged 2 of those records + 1 other record with "perl". the link from the tag is tag=perl&q=perl. that only gives 3 hits. i was expecting 6 = the union(?) of all of the records tagged with "perl" and all records that contain "perl" somwhere in the marc data
11:44 ashimema      It has its quirks but is generally pretty usable
11:44 ashimema      I use it extensively in some of the accounts stuff
11:43 ashimema      hehe
11:43 tcohen        I've just noticed we include jquery.validate, and am happy  he
11:43 ashimema      it's almost a 'Community manager/Community secretary/chair' role (which also sounds better on paper so might be an easier sell to the purse string holders in companies)
11:42 ashimema      I'm tempted to rename Joubu's new 'IRC Meeting Facilitator' idea to something else.. to showcase it's as much about helping make sure the roadmap progresses as it is about chairing meetings.
11:41 * ashimema    is looking at the roles page before the meeting later today..
11:39 ashimema      excellent :)
11:39 tcohen        :-D
11:39 tcohen        I am
11:39 ashimema      hope you are well today?
11:39 ashimema      morning tcohen
11:38 tcohen        morning
10:39 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28327 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , System preference CSVdelimiter special case for tabulation
10:39 fridolin      Bug 28327 never ending story of delimiter ;)
10:35 oleonard      Hi #koha
10:07 * fridolin    on bionic
10:07 fridolin      where do i find unstable repo  ?
10:06 fridolin      E: Impossible de récupérer http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/pool/main/k/koha/koha-perldeps_20.12.00-25~git+20210325233504.4e177268-1_all.deb  404  Not Found [IP : 67.220.127.145 80]
10:06 fridolin      i have issue with unstable deb
09:17 dcook         ciao #koha
09:16 dcook         Whelp even more discouraged than I was this morning. Wasted 2 hours of my life for nothing :D.
09:11 dcook         For example: http://localhost:8081/mojo
09:09 dcook         Getting tonnes of 200 statuses for things that are actually 404s..
09:08 dcook         Something is very messed up
09:08 dcook         Or maybe it's just Koha..
09:08 dcook         Ugh... Mojolicious does some really weird stuff..
09:03 dcook         It's handling a 302 ok so it must be something else..
08:56 pastebot      "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "plack being the worst" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/417
08:54 dcook         Yep nope makes no sense :(
08:54 magnuse       \o/
08:52 dcook         Unless..
08:47 dcook         Maybe I'm doing somethign wrong but it's weiiird
08:46 dcook         It'll find the nested app, but the higher level app does this weird internal 404 thing..
08:46 dcook         It looks like if you mount a PSGI app within another PSGI app.. it doesn't quite work the way the documentation says it should
08:46 dcook         Thanks ashimema and matts :)
08:44 matts         I can feel the desperation in that scream, dcook :)
08:39 ashimema      hugs
08:39 dcook         haha
08:39 dcook         Ahhhhh Plack. Whyyyy
08:16 nlegrand      Bonjour #koha!
06:28 reiveune      hello
06:24 alex_a        Bonjour
01:54 tuxayo        So will be the other accounts elsewhere of the persons using the same passwords.
01:54 tuxayo        brad: I see. It would be great to adapt the php script to use bcrypt for new passwords. So in case of DB leak, these passwords would be much much safely protected.
01:40 brad          and also employees accounts
01:37 brad          we want student portal password and kohas patron password will be the same
01:32 tuxayo        You mean it's not via Koha that the password are chosen and saved?
01:32 tuxayo        > we create a php script that will automatically insert borrowers/patron data in md5 when new enrolled student created in our main database
01:31 tuxayo        IIUC the new password (new users or change of password) when done via Koha should use Bcrypt by default
01:30 tuxayo        of course there is something like that, otherwise it would be a huge mess upgrading old Koha's which is what you are doing
01:30 tuxayo        >     # check what encryption algorithm was implemented: Bcrypt - if the hash starts with '$2' it is Bcrypt else md5
01:30 tuxayo        https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha/src/branch/master/C4/Auth.pm#L2024
01:30 tuxayo        brad: hey it should work straitforward! :D
01:28 brad          old koha uses md5 while latest koha uses bcrypt type password
01:27 tuxayo        Are there variation of bcrypt?
01:23 brad          coz in our old koha 2.2.9 we create a php script that will automatically insert borrowers/patron data in md5 when new enrolled student created in our main database
01:22 tuxayo        ok
01:22 brad          "the"
01:22 tuxayo        "ta" ?
01:21 tuxayo        Sure, it's just a regular table on whatever DBMS (database) you have
01:21 brad          we dont knw ta bycrypt type koha use
01:21 brad          is there any we can create a php script that insert patron data on koha databae borrowers table?
01:19 tuxayo        i.e. it will get complicated ^_^"
01:19 tuxayo        > If your passwords are already encrypted, talk to your systems administrator about options
01:19 tuxayo        https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/tools.html#creating-a-patron-import-file
01:18 tuxayo        That could mean a lot of manual setting of passwords ^^"
01:17 tuxayo        It's just an idea that came to my mind
01:17 tuxayo        I don't have experience in this but, by the same way your new patrons and staff have their password set, you could use that way after upgrading Koha and loosing the passwords in the process.
01:16 tuxayo        It's not straitforward possible. There might be ways to circumvent that with some efforts.
01:14 brad          we want to migrate our old koha 2.2.9 borrowers table w/ md5 password to latest koha 20.11 brycrpt
01:10 tuxayo        It's not possible to set passwords from just their MD5
01:10 tuxayo        > to koha bcrypt encryption
01:10 tuxayo        So it's not the plain text password
01:10 tuxayo        > partrons data w/ md5 password
01:09 brad          coz we want to integrate/automate our existing database to koha ..thanks
01:09 tuxayo        hi brad :)
01:08 brad          does anybody knows how to create a php script that imports partrons data w/ md5 password to koha bcrypt encryption password?
01:07 brad          hello