Time  Nick          Message
21:18 tuxayo        *can be accessed
21:18 * tuxayo      discover after a year that a Koha using koha-testing-docker can't accessed via localhost instead of an IP that changes each time it's launched.
20:02 tuxayo        indeed!
19:52 AndrewFH      well, maybe not exactly the same as I give it another look. very close
19:52 huginn        Bug 25969: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Checking in a found hold at a different branch then confirming the hold causes internal server error
19:52 AndrewFH      yeah, same bug behavior but apparently a different cause. https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25969
19:51 tuxayo        AndrewFH: you mean another similar bug affecting on 20.11?
19:50 AndrewFH      annoying bug, we just fixed the same thing in 20.11
19:49 tuxayo        great, thanks :D
19:49 AndrewFH      he wanted one to make sure that the circ rules were allowing you to place a bib-level hold, rather than item-level
19:48 AndrewFH      oh, you're still around! I eventually noticed the bug you linked and figure out what didier meant
19:48 tuxayo        Let me check
19:48 tuxayo        Hi AndrewFH :)
18:34 AndrewFH      fourth column from the right on the big circ rules table, "OPAC item level holds" gives you the options Allow, Don't Allow, Force
18:32 AndrewFH      tuxayo do you mean item level holds?
17:28 caroline      I think maybe when you place the hold, don't choose a specific item
17:24 caroline      :( sorry
17:24 caroline      I have no idea what did meant
17:22 oleonard      Also, you won't offend anyone if you speak French here :)
17:22 huginn        Bug 28259: major, P5 - low, ---, didier.gautheron, Needs Signoff , Checking at branch B  an item in waiting hold state at branch A kill koha
17:22 tuxayo        step 2 ^^
17:22 tuxayo        caroline: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28259#c1
17:22 caroline      tuxayo: what are you trying to do? (you can answer in french in dm if you need to)
17:20 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master build #1638: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1638/
16:59 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #317: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/317/
16:58 tuxayo        I'm trying to set hold rules on next available item. But I can't find it in the circ rules page. Is that named something else?
16:36 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D11 build #282: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/282/
16:34 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #562: FIXED in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/562/
16:34 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:34 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:33 tuxayo        pra: what do you means by cloud environment? renting a VM with a full fledged OS with admin access to it?
16:32 tuxayo        pra: doc: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian
16:31 tuxayo        hi pra  :)
16:28 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #316: FIXED in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/316/
16:28 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:28 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:28 pra           Hi , Everyone . I am planning to install koha on a cloud environment , which one better AWS or Azure . Could you please documentation if any.
16:24 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1641: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1641/
16:24 wahanui       Congratulations!
16:24 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
16:19 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #171: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U_Stable/171/
15:58 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #581: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/581/
15:58 wahanui       Congratulations!
15:58 koha-jenkins  Yippee, build fixed!
15:25 tuxayo        ^^
15:22 nlegrand      (V) (°,,,,°) (V) bye!
15:22 tuxayo        o/ ashimema
15:21 ashimema      and anyone else that may not catch
15:21 ashimema      have a great weekend guys and gals.
15:21 tuxayo        Joubu++
15:21 * ashimema    watches his inbox fill up for monday morning
15:21 Joubu         here we go, bye #koha, enjoy your weekend!
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27061: Remove duplicate permission check in svc/mana/search <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=915c5d13bea82d8ff76e2c76525aa70a1f22961e>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27932: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5047557cbf3b33e3066fcd5d0ff65cebcf78c230>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27932: Add GET /biblios/:biblio_id/pickup_locations route <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2db98432d85568943c92bb1cd092960edb1e64eb>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27864: Visual feedback on overridden pickup locations when placing hold <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd5e603c3d80975867d95bdd7de714a16b58c0fd>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27864: Correct dropdown size <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=153160723398623e3c802134d49d7c83a2603fd9>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28170: Fix upload.tt search result buttons for page two onwards <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b1dbee18fcd0d55065b0758690c0c58296e6029>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28217: Prevent several non-repeatable attributes to be merged <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=92db5e22474bec148cf4346300bc246bedbc6a7c>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28207: Fix biblio_framework.frameworktext isn't in GROUP BY <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3b28bfe44bfbf1a7d0bf771bb7e3476faa2c117>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Remove size=1 on selects (28066 follow-up) <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4fe7ac0864a330c7f1514f135abd70f54720cd3>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28244: Fix typo in Ukrainian in language tables in English <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=945548533bac519ff66f9af429954586e58ee883>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28250: Remove upload of debug for Selenium failures <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4da4b75686015a2a25f3ed81768d18023561c40>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28249: Prevent Selenium->wait_for_element_visible to fall in an infinite loop <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e751ce8cf2be1648fe424d08d9eefeb75d639967>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28258: Update bad formatting in AUTO_RENEWALS notice <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8491c6eb294a3cfb77665daa444682e7bee8dd5>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28258: Fix existing occurrence <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d299e1ffc6372fb9768b8baaea86d20d5380e009>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28244: Fix typo in Ukrainian in history <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eaddf573e9accc603f6a3d56b3570cb62d6fa9b1>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28244: DBRev 20.12.00.044 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=36c54d818578e4853254e80d6c59ba7cb3db5bd1>
15:21 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28258: DBRev 20.12.00.043 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e09cfd5d55291b6046272bd45d53a9dab5d8c668>
15:20 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 28270: (bug 24279 follow-up) Fix tooltip for the claim lost status <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47ecad6ad74262a6871a4dd4b17ae947b023ef08>
15:20 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Hide logged-in option if invalid pickup location <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fa87a516158ba86028167a3b24026e706d130a6>
15:20 huginn        News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Select2 style on multi-holds <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fe090ffe3ba8e2ecff3011ef1b967fcc198bada>
15:17 Joubu         back
15:16 reiveune      bye
15:16 ashimema      mmm, I agree
15:16 Joubu         I'd have prefered with Jenkins happy
15:15 ashimema      does ttat mean it's time to clock off for the day.
15:15 ashimema      :D
15:15 ashimema      bad Joubu
15:14 Joubu         it's not me, I promise!
15:14 ashimema      hum.. seems so
15:14 Joubu         did we just lose bugzilla when I was going to push?
15:13 Joubu         push push push
15:07 tuxayo        After all, git installs are there to make it easy to add patches.
15:07 tuxayo        I was thinking about prod install there are at least around 200 of them ^^ . But that would work to not have NodeJS installed on each the instance if there is compilation commit added before deployment.
15:07 tuxayo        tcohen: about git installs and compiling SCSS. «we devs build it on our environment as needed, and packaging does it as well»
15:00 tuxayo        lol
14:56 Joubu         maybe, but won't pass QA
14:55 Joubu         14."Signing Off"
14:55 Joubu         https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!_(Trippie_Redd_album)?#Track_listing
14:55 nlegrand      :D
14:55 oleonard      Now we have a higher standard to strive for.
14:55 oleonard      The standard for good relevance searching used to be Stephen King's "It"
14:54 caroline      your cataloguers should add a 246$a "Exclamationpoint"
14:54 oleonard      Well done Wikipedia!
14:54 tuxayo        ! some people did it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!_(disambiguation)#Music
14:52 oleonard      If you try to search for it by title on the streaming service (Hoopla) you get an error, "Your search term must be at least 2 characters long." XD
14:52 oleonard      https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=623604
14:50 tuxayo        !!!
14:50 Joubu         !!!
14:49 oleonard      I can't decide if Koha should be able to find a record titled "!" or if I should just let it never be found, as a natural consequence for naming your work "!"
14:47 oleonard      Exactly!
14:46 tuxayo        oleonard: internet connection is bad in Mauritius so you *need* to be there to work
14:45 tuxayo        hi #koha :)
14:36 ashimema      scary how fast the time is going
14:36 ashimema      I did
14:32 Joubu         You all noticed that tomorrow is soft ft freeze, right?
14:25 ashimema      sounds like one of our peeps have heard of them
14:24 ashimema      ooh..
14:24 ashimema      or more directly to andrew.auld@ptfs-europe.com
14:23 ashimema      info@ptfs-europe.com should do the trick I think
14:23 * oleonard    has yet to be taken up on this kind of offer
14:22 caroline      on-site OPAC customization lol!
14:22 ashimema      sure
14:22 ashimema      funny.. that's just what was going through my mind.. hehe
14:22 caroline      cn I give them your (PTFSe) info?
14:22 ashimema      hehe..
14:21 * oleonard    volunteers to accept an all-expenses-paid trip to Mauritius to do on-site OPAC customization
14:20 ashimema      new one to me
14:19 wahanui       well, like is it possible to translate to all calendar systems you use from one calendar system
14:19 caroline      I'm like what?
14:19 caroline      They wrote to us saying they're from the UK and want training for a library in Mauritius
14:18 caroline      ashimema: does Mallory International ring a bell?
14:18 ashimema      that's a remarkably good combination
14:18 ashimema      bourbon, bacon and pinapple
14:17 ashimema      I have at least a couple of desert recipes that use bacon
14:17 ashimema      sounds like my kinda cookbook magnuse
14:16 magnuse       there is a norwegian cookbook called "everything is better with bacon"
14:16 cait1         have a nice weekend all - I'll take a last dive into tickets and such :)
14:16 * magnuse     wanders off to make pizza and wishes #koha a nice weekend
14:15 cait1         i gave you all ideas...
14:15 cait1         lol
14:15 * oleonard    could try adding bacon to the chocolate-pecan pie
14:15 cait1         ashimema: savoury without chocolate... the chocolate was meant for oleonard
14:15 oleonard      It's a hazard of these meetings!
14:14 oleonard      :D
14:14 caroline      sorry for rushing, but im starving
14:14 cait1         me too :)
14:14 * caroline    is hungry
14:14 huginn        Log:            https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021.2021-04-30-13.37.log.html
14:14 huginn        Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021.2021-04-30-13.37.txt
14:14 huginn        Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021.2021-04-30-13.37.html
14:14 huginn        Meeting ended Fri Apr 30 14:14:25 2021 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:14 caroline      #endmeeting
14:14 caroline      I'll let you guys talk pecan pie, and Imma go finish my breakfast
14:13 caroline      #info Next meeting: 14 May, 2021 14:30 UTC
14:13 tcohen        derivative work
14:13 magnuse       yeah
14:13 oleonard      "my own words"  == "very modified" ?
14:13 caroline      ok then
14:12 magnuse       oleonard: just rewrite it in your own words?
14:12 oleonard      cait1: I'm looking through my recipes for ones sourced "Grandmother" ;)
14:12 Joubu         will postpone if needed
14:12 Joubu         no caroline, it wasn't about the release. Go for May 14th
14:12 ashimema      sure I can find/come up with something ;)
14:12 ashimema      savoury and with chocolate.. hmm.. that would probably be more of a baked cheesecake type afair than an pie
14:12 cait1         oleonard: aaah i see, but i am sure you got other good ones maybe?
14:12 magnuse       ashimema: both
14:12 Joubu         s
14:12 oleonard      cait1: I feel like I can't because I got it from a published article :(
14:12 Joubu         but could be good to have a first overview of the submission
14:12 cait1         it's not a thing here
14:12 caroline      beginning of june?
14:11 cait1         I've always wanted to try a savoury one
14:11 caroline      after release then?
14:11 magnuse       i'll probably be offline then, but don't mind me
14:11 ashimema      I can do pie.. sweat or savoury cait1 ;)?
14:11 cait1         the one with chocolate?
14:11 caroline      oh right bc of the koha release
14:11 cait1         oleonard: can we get your pecan pie recipe?
14:11 cait1         ashimema:  a pie would be great actually
14:11 Joubu         sounds early to me
14:11 ashimema      sounds good to me
14:11 caroline      same time
14:11 ashimema      haha.. 'English breakfast'.. the Welsh and Scotts might have something to say about that.
14:10 caroline      how about may 14th for next meeting?
14:10 * magnuse     plans an english breakfast for this weekend
14:10 Joubu         meat pie, fish and chips, english breakfast, those are 100% british/UK ;)
14:10 caroline      ^ yup
14:10 ashimema      and is always looking for more food inspirations.. as people can probably tell from the Signal group chat ;)
14:09 oleonard      Yeah us colonizers have trouble knowing what our traditional food is.
14:09 * ashimema    eats almost anything ;)
14:09 magnuse       true!
14:09 caroline      Of course, I want to try food from elsewhere, but if wood fired pizza is what you eat, I'd say it's your culture :D
14:09 ashimema      coolios
14:09 magnuse       hehe
14:09 * ashimema    struggles to think of what's '"British"'.. we get inspired/steal food from everywhere
14:09 cait1         i'd not be unhappy about some more from you :)
14:09 caroline      ashimema: I think you can do anything
14:09 cait1         magnuse: i think just wait and see and cut if it gets too much?
14:09 magnuse       ashimema: i'd say anything goes
14:08 caroline      #info goal is to have the print book by the end of 2021
14:08 ashimema      silly question.. are we generally aiming to stick to our local foods.. so we get a nice spread of cultures?
14:08 magnuse       what did we decide about people submitting more than one receipe?
14:08 caroline      #info Deadline for sumbissions is July 31st (can be extended if needed)
14:08 * magnuse     will make pizza when meeting is done
14:07 magnuse       caroline: sounds good
14:07 * ashimema    contemplates wood fired pizza now
14:07 caroline      for deadline?
14:07 caroline      alright how about july 31st?
14:07 ashimema      mmm, asado
14:07 cait1         lol
14:07 tcohen        Ohhhhh
14:07 Joubu         (at least for the picture, don't forget the wine)
14:07 Joubu         tcohen: hope you are going to submit a recipe of an Argentinian asado to compare with Brendan's
14:07 ashimema      hehe
14:07 caroline      I wasn't sure for winter
14:07 ashimema      I was just thinking from the when to release it perspective.
14:06 caroline      I added the summer tag
14:06 cait1         could be another thign to tag
14:06 ashimema      if it's a general mix that's cool
14:06 caroline      And Nick's recipe call for dandelion flowers
14:06 cait1         koha for all seasons :)
14:06 magnuse       yeah
14:06 cait1         maybe bbq is more summer but a hen fricassee is more a wintery dish?
14:06 magnuse       yeah
14:06 caroline      well, Joy made an ice cream recipe, so I'd say that's seasonal
14:06 cait1         i think they are not seasonal so far .. or more different seasons probably
14:06 magnuse       oh we do :-)
14:06 ashimema      ignore me
14:05 ashimema      ho... we're so international that wouldn't matter
14:05 ashimema      i.e does it need to line up with a season
14:05 ashimema      I've not looked yet.. are the recipes especially seasonal or more general?
14:05 magnuse       exactly
14:05 magnuse       yeah, print book for xmas is a good goal
14:05 cait1         that would also give time for refinements, figuring out book printing
14:05 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #76: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/76/
14:04 caroline      I think it would be nice to get the print book fro xmas
14:04 cait1         say.. 3 months from now about?
14:04 cait1         maybe sometime between releases for some buzz then?
14:04 ashimema      I can trust it'll get done that way.. else we might be waiting a while :P
14:04 ashimema      only if you're still in charge of that Joubu..
14:04 magnuse       "before xmas"
14:04 magnuse       hehe
14:04 Joubu         release when the wiki migration is done
14:04 * magnuse     too
14:04 caroline      I'd say separate
14:03 cait1         release with koha release... separate from it?
14:03 cait1         waht would be a good dealine?
14:03 magnuse       yes!
14:03 cait1         you are a heroine caroline :)
14:03 caroline      #action caroline to add prep/cooking time to recipetemplate
14:03 cait1         or make a "volume 2"
14:03 magnuse       we can always extend it...
14:03 cait1         it can be helpful
14:03 cait1         but could we add a note/suggestion to template?
14:03 magnuse       a deadline might inspire people to actually submit?
14:02 cait1         sure, optional is fine
14:02 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_D11 build #107: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D11/107/
14:02 ashimema      +1
14:02 caroline      Maybe as an optional information?
14:01 cait1         prep time or cooking tim could be a nice one to add
14:01 ashimema      was just contemplating how I might find a good recipe to try out on the family/the cub group etc
14:00 caroline      yes
14:00 cait1         ?
14:00 cait1         as a tag
14:00 caroline      maybe something like "children friendly"
14:00 * ashimema    didn't want to add more work into the pile
14:00 caroline      no
14:00 cait1         do we have prep time?
14:00 cait1         easier than figuring it out later
14:00 cait1         hm or maybe we shoudl add one now?
14:00 ashimema      we don't have a 'complexity' rating as such do we.. that could be a helpful tag one day
13:59 caroline      do we want a deadline for submissions?
13:58 magnuse       lulz
13:58 * ashimema    has a bunch of 6 year olds lighting fires and cooking next week.. don't think I'll be getting them to try the americans bbq recipes yet ;)
13:58 cait1         i'd probably not translate it into German for now
13:58 magnuse       yeah
13:58 cait1         i'd wait until it's a little bit more stable
13:57 magnuse       ashimema++
13:57 cait1         caroline++
13:57 magnuse       i'd say we are open to translations?
13:57 caroline      (I always write kookbook for some reason)
13:57 * ashimema    intends to get the family cooking some of these as a QA process ;)
13:57 caroline      I wasn wondering if we would want the cookbook to be translated eventually?
13:56 magnuse       well done so far!
13:56 magnuse       not me
13:56 caroline      Anything else you think of?
13:55 caroline      #action Caroline to send an email to mailing list to ask for submissions
13:55 magnuse       caroline++
13:55 cait1         forbidden myself to volunteer for more stuff .)
13:55 ashimema      :)
13:55 cait1         sorry, super busy with migration and deadlines for 21.05
13:55 caroline      Ok I'll do it
13:55 caroline      XD
13:54 Joubu         :D
13:54 Joubu         good point ashimema
13:54 ashimema      hehe
13:54 caroline      good excuse ashimema lol!
13:54 ashimema      For this, I think it would be best coming from a librarian
13:54 caroline      *crickets*
13:54 caroline      :D
13:54 caroline      anyone ant to volunteer?
13:54 caroline      Send email to the mailing list to request submissions
13:53 caroline      #topic Next steps
13:53 caroline      Done also
13:53 caroline      Add submission info to Readme
13:53 caroline      last action point from last time
13:53 caroline      Yeah I think so too, it's in the next steps
13:53 cait1         but it looks like we might be ready overall for the wider audience?
13:52 cait1         i treid with the coworkers too - but no success yet
13:52 caroline      cute! (BWS tweet)
13:51 caroline      Ok I'll change it then
13:51 Joubu         https://twitter.com/ByWaterSolution/status/1387127141649862656
13:51 oleonard      "Main dishes" I think is more common in English
13:51 magnuse       bywater wrote about it already
13:51 magnuse       no, just wondering!
13:50 caroline      I wasn't sure if "Mains" was a good term
13:50 caroline      is there something you disagree with?
13:50 magnuse       i don't have a lot of colleagues to ask :-)
13:50 magnuse       ok
13:50 caroline      magnuse: that is manual
13:50 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #78: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/78/
13:50 caroline      yet, I'll have to whip them
13:50 magnuse       is the ordering of things here: https://koha-community.gitlab.io/koha-cookbook/index.html automatic or manual?
13:50 caroline      I asked my colleagues, but they didn't submit anything...
13:49 koha-jenkins  Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #77: SUCCESS in 1 hr 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/77/
13:49 caroline      each one of us asks our colleagues for submissions to test the process and have more examples when we ask the community at large
13:49 caroline      ok next point
13:49 caroline      same
13:49 cait1         'd like to see what people come up with first
13:49 caroline      Yeah, maybe we'll have to go back and add some tags to recipes later... we'll see
13:49 cait1         i think we can always refine/regroup those
13:48 caroline      I added all sorts of tags to existing recipes, like "Entertaining" for recipes that make lots of portions
13:48 magnuse       guess we'll just have to see
13:47 caroline      I don't know what tags we'll receive and if it's important
13:47 cait1         it's shaping up really nicely!
13:47 caroline      I edited the recipetemplate file to add the index part
13:47 caroline      That is done too
13:47 oleonard      Got it. I remember talking about the US-specific guidelines, but didn't remember if we came to a conclusion.
13:47 caroline      modify the template to add tags/index terms at the end
13:47 caroline      next action point
13:46 caroline      #action Joubu will create an issue to make the index look more like a recipe book index
13:46 caroline      it says Note that the Koha cookbook is a public domain (CC0) project. Therefore, recipes must be original or very modified. Do not submit a recipe that is not your own, taken from a website, a book or a magazine.
13:46 caroline      oleonard: here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook
13:46 Joubu         caroline: yes I can
13:45 caroline      I can do it if you don't have the time
13:45 oleonard      Did we ever come to an agreement about whether adding recipes which have a known source (web site, book) is okay?
13:45 caroline      do you want to create the issue?
13:45 caroline      thanks!
13:45 Joubu         we will create an issue and see if we can do something
13:44 Joubu         or*
13:44 Joubu         it should point to the recipe if there is only one of a list of the recipes having the keyword
13:44 caroline      if you click on Comfort food, it goes to the first recipe and if you click on the [1] it goes to the second recipe
13:43 Joubu         yes the [1] is weird
13:43 magnuse       well done, anyway
13:42 caroline      I don't know how to change the appearance of the index
13:42 caroline      I wish it would list the recipe titles instead of comfort food, [1]
13:41 caroline      Here is the rendered index https://koha-community.gitlab.io/koha-cookbook/genindex.html
13:41 magnuse       i tried to render as html locally, but ran into a problem: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-cookbook/-/issues/2
13:41 caroline      ah thanks Joubu!
13:41 Joubu         https://koha-community.gitlab.io/koha-cookbook/
13:40 caroline      I don't know where to find it
13:40 cait1         caroline++
13:40 caroline      ashimema, do you have the link for the rendered cookbook?
13:39 caroline      I added tags for each recipe we'd already received
13:39 caroline      you will see .. index:: with the tags
13:39 caroline      https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-cookbook/-/blob/master/source/henfricassee.rst
13:39 caroline      If you look at the source of the file here
13:38 ashimema      #info Martin Renvoize, UK
13:38 caroline      caroline will search how to create an index in ReStructuredText  done!
13:38 caroline      #topic  Review of action points
13:37 cait1         #info Katrin Fischer, Germany
13:37 caroline      (trying to be too quick)
13:37 magnuse       #info Magnus Enger, Norway
13:37 Joubu         #info Jonathan Druart
13:37 caroline      #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
13:37 oleonard-away #info Owen Leonard, slacker, Athens County Public Library, USA
13:37 caroline      #Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro
13:37 caroline      #topic Introductions
13:37 Joubu         #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Cookbook_meeting_16_april_2021
13:37 huginn        The meeting name has been set to 'cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021'
13:37 huginn        Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
13:37 huginn        Meeting started Fri Apr 30 13:37:07 2021 UTC.  The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:37 caroline      #startmeeting Cookbook meeting 30 april 2021
13:36 * ashimema    has been sueless and not submitted any recipes yet :(
13:36 ashimema      mmm, breakfast
13:36 caroline      we'll make it quick
13:35 cait1         sorry, can only spare one eye right now :)
13:35 caroline      ack sorry! I was making breakfast
13:35 * ashimema    has had a busy day
13:35 ashimema      oh.. yes
13:34 magnuse       caroline, Joubu, ashimema, cait1, oleonard-away Cookbook-meeting now, or are my time calculations off?
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13:27 Joubu         (not urgent :D)
13:27 Joubu         you write a patch and I write a QA test?
13:26 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28272 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Definition files are missing additionalProperties: false
13:26 Joubu         bug 28272
13:24 tcohen        yes
13:24 Joubu         well, false
13:24 Joubu         ha, shouldn't it be always true?
13:23 tcohen        see patron.json
13:23 tcohen        that's because the definition is missing "additionalProperties": false
13:22 Joubu         but I thought the PUT would have been rejected without it
13:22 Joubu         tcohen: patch attached to adjust the rest api spec
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13:20 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28271 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to set a new lost status when a claim is resolved
13:20 Joubu         bug 28271
13:20 Joubu         yes 28271
13:19 tcohen        context?
13:19 tcohen        28271?
13:18 Joubu         tcohen: I was expecting this change to fail as I didn't modify the api spec..
13:18 huginn        Joubu: The operation succeeded.
13:18 Joubu         @later tell AndrewFH bug 28271
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13:05 magnuse       cookbook meeting in 25 minutes?
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12:56 oleonard      I've built something outside of Koha for handling this kind of thing at my library... It's called "shelf checks," and someone at each library checks a box when they've searched for it.
12:52 oleonard      Right... My instinct tells me that libraries are handling part of this process outside of Koha in ways we don't understand.
12:52 tcohen        or the patron phones saying they found it
12:51 tcohen        or found
12:51 tcohen        oleonard agreed
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12:49 oleonard      If something is claimed returned I would think the library should have a way of marking that it has been searched for in the library and not found.
12:48 tcohen        (i.e. for automatic changes)
12:47 tcohen        that's why I say we need semantics / a table
12:47 tcohen        we need to map claim resolution statuses to itemlost values
12:47 oleonard      As I imagine it, there are only two paths to finding a claimed returned item: The patron looks for it and/or the library looks for it. This implies that there ought to be a built-in report on the circulation page for any items claimed returned at that library (checked out from there or having its home branch there).
12:45 Joubu         you can *remove* a claim but then you lose the history
12:45 AndrewFH      sounds good to me. nice next step would be something to map resolution values to lost values. so when I resolve it with resolution A it goes to lost=0 but resolution B goes to lost=1
12:43 AndrewFH      oleonard, then we need a cancel method (there isn't one already, right?)
12:43 Joubu         either manual (pick one itemlost value) or automatic (=0)
12:43 Joubu         so resolving should lead to a itemlost update
12:43 AndrewFH      sorry, huginn, I tried to make it like a slack message, my bad
12:43 huginn        tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes
12:43 tcohen        huginn you don't
12:42 huginn        AndrewFH: I suck
12:42 AndrewFH      @tcohen yup!
12:42 tcohen        AndrewFH I'm just pointing implementing that shouldn't forget other cases
12:42 oleonard      I would say that's not "resolving" the claim but "cancelling" it.
12:41 AndrewFH      well, one of the possible outcomes of a claim is the patron realizes they DO still have the item and decides to keep it a while longer. in that case we would want to resolve the claim, remove the lost status, not return the item
12:41 tcohen        oleonard because I think it is natural to provide a path for claim resolution, from the patron's page
12:40 tcohen        AndrewFH that's why I claim we need to evolve and add semantics to the resolutions
12:40 oleonard      tcohen: Why do you say that?
12:40 AndrewFH      that resolution doesn't currently touch anything outside of Claims, though. it's just grabbing some options from an auth value
12:40 tcohen        in my opinion
12:39 tcohen        it is totally normal to expect to resolve the claim without a checkin
12:37 Joubu         well, if BlockReturnOfLostItems is set you cannot check it in :)
12:35 oleonard      Both of which should be automatically resolved by a check-in, so why can you "manually" resolve it that way?
12:35 tcohen        we need a table for resolutions, and what they trigger
12:35 Joubu         "found in library", "returned by patron" are the default values
12:33 oleonard      I'm not sure what all the choices are when libraries resolve a claim. They're forgiving the item? They're taking payment for it? Are there other options?
12:32 AndrewFH      but I can see the use of something that goes the other way -- automatic lost status change and/or return of item when one resolves the claim
12:31 tcohen        right
12:31 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Automate resolution of return claim when checking in an item
12:31 AndrewFH      see also bug 27753
12:31 tcohen        hehe
12:30 tcohen        well, I'm sure it was requested by someone who wanted it like this
12:30 oleonard      the claim returned feature is not based on any kind of real-world logic ;)
12:30 tcohen        what is a claim resolution?
12:29 tcohen        when a patron claims something was returned, the resolution might be to consider it lost and charge the patron, right?
12:28 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28270 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Wrong tooltip displayed on moredetail for the claim lost status
12:28 Joubu         (and found bug 28270..)
12:28 AndrewFH      before kyle starting coding Claims we had a fun exercise where 5 different BWS employees tried to agree about exactly what Claims should do, how it should work. It revealed a great lack on consensus, even among folks who came out of more or less the same types of libraries
12:26 AndrewFH      and/or, it could make sense for the Claims lost value to be exempted from BlockReturnOfLostItems
12:24 oleonard      I want to say "Of course the lost status should go away when the claim is resolved" but you're right... libraries are weird.
12:22 AndrewFH      I would love for it to be an option
12:22 AndrewFH      I don't see any clear reason not to, that makes sense to me. But then again libraries are weird and I wouldn't be surprised if someone out there really doesn't want the lost status to clear automatically.
12:19 Joubu         shouldn't we remove the lost (claim) status when the claim is resolved?
12:18 * AndrewFH    looks around for khall
12:18 AndrewFH      that seems questionable -- I understand that we don't want folks setting things TO claimed from there, but don't quite understand why we should block them from moving things out of claimed via item edit. at that point, the claim is already made and is being maintained independently of the lost status
12:16 Joubu         yes it's coming from there
12:15 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24279 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Claims Returned does not work when set from moredetail.pl or additem.pl
12:15 AndrewFH      did the lost status become uneditable when set to Claims due to bug 24279? or was there another patch in there?
12:12 AndrewFH      and by "you" I mean "one" or "the user"
12:11 AndrewFH      yeah, that stinks, we need to give you some sort of route out of that
12:11 Joubu         yep, BlockReturnOfLostItems is on
12:10 AndrewFH      hmm, so you have BlockReturnofLostItems on? That's a mean little trap we've caught you in
12:10 Joubu         it's true from both screens
12:10 AndrewFH      is that true in all screens? my memory is you could still edit it from the edit item screen, just not from the Items tab in the record
12:09 Joubu         and checking it in: "Item is lost, cannot be checked in."
12:09 Joubu         you cannot manually edit itemlost if the value is equal to ClaimReturnedLostValue
12:09 AndrewFH      (although some automation of that linkage is a logical next enhancement for the process)
12:08 AndrewFH      either when the item gets checked in or when staff manually edit it. Marking an item found doesn't resolve the claim and resolving the claim doesn't mark it found
12:07 Joubu         yes
12:07 AndrewFH      Do you mean when should the item go back to itemlost=0?
12:06 Joubu         AndrewFH or kidclamp maybe?
12:05 * oleonard    doesn't know
12:04 Joubu         when is supposed to be removed the LOST av (ClaimReturnedLostValue) from items.itemlost?
12:04 Joubu         anyone around familiar with the "return claim" workflow?
12:04 Joubu         asking again my question:
11:46 oleonard      Hi tcohen
11:42 tcohen        hola
11:08 Joubu         otherwise maybe SEARCH_RESULT.item(status _ '_count')?
11:08 oleonard      Thanks Joubu I will try that. I was hoping I was missing a solution with fewer steps.
11:06 Joubu         oleonard: maybe try [% SET status_count_var = status _ '_count' %] then [% SEARCH_RESULT.$status_count_var | html %]?
11:03 magnuse       "
11:03 magnuse       \o/
10:56 oleonard      \o\ \o| /o/
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10:28 oleonard      Can I make it work?
10:28 oleonard      So... this doesn't work: [% SEARCH_RESULT.${status}_count | html %]
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10:22 oleonard      Hi
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09:34 Joubu         caches?
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09:12 fridolin      but maybe my install is not ok
09:12 fridolin      mmm caches with and without patch
09:11 fridolin      oki
09:09 Joubu         only master *should* be affected
09:08 Joubu         if it passes, you don't need the patches
09:08 Joubu         fridolin: try the test
09:07 huginn        Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28230 blocker, P5 - low, ---, joonas.kylmala, Pushed to master , Renewing/Checking out record with AE or OE letter in title can make Koha totally unfunctional
09:07 fridolin      Joubu:  hi, Bug 28230 whould you say it is also for old branches ? even with dependancy on 22824 only in master
08:57 Joubu         when is supposed to be removed the LOST av (ClaimReturnedLostValue) from items.itemlost?
08:55 Joubu         anyone around familiar with the "return claim" workflow?
06:53 nlegrand      Bonjour alex_a
06:53 nlegrand      Bonjour !
06:50 alex_a        Bonjour
06:31 cait1         good morning #koha
06:28 reiveune      hello
06:15 magnuse       \o/