Time Nick Message 06:15 magnuse \o/ 06:28 reiveune hello 06:31 cait1 good morning #koha 06:50 alex_a Bonjour 06:53 nlegrand Bonjour ! 06:53 nlegrand Bonjour alex_a 08:55 Joubu anyone around familiar with the "return claim" workflow? 08:57 Joubu when is supposed to be removed the LOST av (ClaimReturnedLostValue) from items.itemlost? 09:07 fridolin Joubu: hi, Bug 28230 whould you say it is also for old branches ? even with dependancy on 22824 only in master 09:07 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28230 blocker, P5 - low, ---, joonas.kylmala, Pushed to master , Renewing/Checking out record with AE or OE letter in title can make Koha totally unfunctional 09:08 Joubu fridolin: try the test 09:08 Joubu if it passes, you don't need the patches 09:09 Joubu only master *should* be affected 09:11 fridolin oki 09:12 fridolin mmm caches with and without patch 09:12 fridolin but maybe my install is not ok 09:26 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #79: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/79/ 09:34 Joubu caches? 09:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #77: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U16/77/ 09:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #73: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/73/ 09:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #97: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/97/ 10:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #93: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/93/ 10:14 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #80: SUCCESS in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/80/ 10:22 oleonard Hi 10:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #75: SUCCESS in 1 hr 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/75/ 10:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #76: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/76/ 10:28 oleonard So... this doesn't work: [% SEARCH_RESULT.${status}_count | html %] 10:28 oleonard Can I make it work? 10:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #74: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/74/ 10:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D11 build #106: STILL UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D11/106/ 10:56 oleonard \o\ \o| /o/ 11:03 magnuse \o/ 11:03 magnuse " 11:06 Joubu oleonard: maybe try [% SET status_count_var = status _ '_count' %] then [% SEARCH_RESULT.$status_count_var | html %]? 11:08 oleonard Thanks Joubu I will try that. I was hoping I was missing a solution with fewer steps. 11:08 Joubu otherwise maybe SEARCH_RESULT.item(status _ '_count')? 11:42 tcohen hola 11:46 oleonard Hi tcohen 12:04 Joubu asking again my question: 12:04 Joubu anyone around familiar with the "return claim" workflow? 12:04 Joubu when is supposed to be removed the LOST av (ClaimReturnedLostValue) from items.itemlost? 12:05 * oleonard doesn't know 12:06 Joubu AndrewFH or kidclamp maybe? 12:07 AndrewFH Do you mean when should the item go back to itemlost=0? 12:07 Joubu yes 12:08 AndrewFH either when the item gets checked in or when staff manually edit it. Marking an item found doesn't resolve the claim and resolving the claim doesn't mark it found 12:09 AndrewFH (although some automation of that linkage is a logical next enhancement for the process) 12:09 Joubu you cannot manually edit itemlost if the value is equal to ClaimReturnedLostValue 12:09 Joubu and checking it in: "Item is lost, cannot be checked in." 12:10 AndrewFH is that true in all screens? my memory is you could still edit it from the edit item screen, just not from the Items tab in the record 12:10 Joubu it's true from both screens 12:10 AndrewFH hmm, so you have BlockReturnofLostItems on? That's a mean little trap we've caught you in 12:11 Joubu yep, BlockReturnOfLostItems is on 12:11 AndrewFH yeah, that stinks, we need to give you some sort of route out of that 12:12 AndrewFH and by "you" I mean "one" or "the user" 12:15 AndrewFH did the lost status become uneditable when set to Claims due to bug 24279? or was there another patch in there? 12:15 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24279 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Claims Returned does not work when set from moredetail.pl or additem.pl 12:16 Joubu yes it's coming from there 12:18 AndrewFH that seems questionable -- I understand that we don't want folks setting things TO claimed from there, but don't quite understand why we should block them from moving things out of claimed via item edit. at that point, the claim is already made and is being maintained independently of the lost status 12:18 * AndrewFH looks around for khall 12:19 Joubu shouldn't we remove the lost (claim) status when the claim is resolved? 12:22 AndrewFH I don't see any clear reason not to, that makes sense to me. But then again libraries are weird and I wouldn't be surprised if someone out there really doesn't want the lost status to clear automatically. 12:22 AndrewFH I would love for it to be an option 12:24 oleonard I want to say "Of course the lost status should go away when the claim is resolved" but you're right... libraries are weird. 12:26 AndrewFH and/or, it could make sense for the Claims lost value to be exempted from BlockReturnOfLostItems 12:28 AndrewFH before kyle starting coding Claims we had a fun exercise where 5 different BWS employees tried to agree about exactly what Claims should do, how it should work. It revealed a great lack on consensus, even among folks who came out of more or less the same types of libraries 12:28 Joubu (and found bug 28270..) 12:28 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28270 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Wrong tooltip displayed on moredetail for the claim lost status 12:29 tcohen when a patron claims something was returned, the resolution might be to consider it lost and charge the patron, right? 12:30 tcohen what is a claim resolution? 12:30 oleonard the claim returned feature is not based on any kind of real-world logic ;) 12:30 tcohen well, I'm sure it was requested by someone who wanted it like this 12:31 tcohen hehe 12:31 AndrewFH see also bug 27753 12:31 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Automate resolution of return claim when checking in an item 12:31 tcohen right 12:32 AndrewFH but I can see the use of something that goes the other way -- automatic lost status change and/or return of item when one resolves the claim 12:33 oleonard I'm not sure what all the choices are when libraries resolve a claim. They're forgiving the item? They're taking payment for it? Are there other options? 12:35 Joubu "found in library", "returned by patron" are the default values 12:35 tcohen we need a table for resolutions, and what they trigger 12:35 oleonard Both of which should be automatically resolved by a check-in, so why can you "manually" resolve it that way? 12:37 Joubu well, if BlockReturnOfLostItems is set you cannot check it in :) 12:39 tcohen it is totally normal to expect to resolve the claim without a checkin 12:40 tcohen in my opinion 12:40 AndrewFH that resolution doesn't currently touch anything outside of Claims, though. it's just grabbing some options from an auth value 12:40 oleonard tcohen: Why do you say that? 12:40 tcohen AndrewFH that's why I claim we need to evolve and add semantics to the resolutions 12:41 tcohen oleonard because I think it is natural to provide a path for claim resolution, from the patron's page 12:41 AndrewFH well, one of the possible outcomes of a claim is the patron realizes they DO still have the item and decides to keep it a while longer. in that case we would want to resolve the claim, remove the lost status, not return the item 12:42 oleonard I would say that's not "resolving" the claim but "cancelling" it. 12:42 tcohen AndrewFH I'm just pointing implementing that shouldn't forget other cases 12:42 AndrewFH @tcohen yup! 12:42 huginn AndrewFH: I suck 12:43 tcohen huginn you don't 12:43 huginn tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes 12:43 AndrewFH sorry, huginn, I tried to make it like a slack message, my bad 12:43 Joubu so resolving should lead to a itemlost update 12:43 Joubu either manual (pick one itemlost value) or automatic (=0) 12:43 AndrewFH oleonard, then we need a cancel method (there isn't one already, right?) 12:45 AndrewFH sounds good to me. nice next step would be something to map resolution values to lost values. so when I resolve it with resolution A it goes to lost=0 but resolution B goes to lost=1 12:45 Joubu you can *remove* a claim but then you lose the history 12:47 oleonard As I imagine it, there are only two paths to finding a claimed returned item: The patron looks for it and/or the library looks for it. This implies that there ought to be a built-in report on the circulation page for any items claimed returned at that library (checked out from there or having its home branch there). 12:47 tcohen we need to map claim resolution statuses to itemlost values 12:47 tcohen that's why I say we need semantics / a table 12:48 tcohen (i.e. for automatic changes) 12:49 oleonard If something is claimed returned I would think the library should have a way of marking that it has been searched for in the library and not found. 12:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #81: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/81/ 12:51 tcohen oleonard agreed 12:51 tcohen or found 12:52 tcohen or the patron phones saying they found it 12:52 oleonard Right... My instinct tells me that libraries are handling part of this process outside of Koha in ways we don't understand. 12:56 oleonard I've built something outside of Koha for handling this kind of thing at my library... It's called "shelf checks," and someone at each library checks a box when they've searched for it. 13:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #78: UNSTABLE in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U16/78/ 13:05 magnuse cookbook meeting in 25 minutes? 13:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #75: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/75/ 13:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #98: UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/98/ 13:18 Joubu @later tell AndrewFH bug 28271 13:18 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 13:18 Joubu tcohen: I was expecting this change to fail as I didn't modify the api spec.. 13:19 tcohen 28271? 13:19 tcohen context? 13:20 Joubu yes 28271 13:20 Joubu bug 28271 13:20 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28271 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to set a new lost status when a claim is resolved 13:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #82: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/82/ 13:22 Joubu tcohen: patch attached to adjust the rest api spec 13:22 Joubu but I thought the PUT would have been rejected without it 13:23 tcohen that's because the definition is missing "additionalProperties": false 13:23 tcohen see patron.json 13:24 Joubu ha, shouldn't it be always true? 13:24 Joubu well, false 13:24 tcohen yes 13:26 Joubu bug 28272 13:26 huginn Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28272 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Definition files are missing additionalProperties: false 13:27 Joubu you write a patch and I write a QA test? 13:27 Joubu (not urgent :D) 13:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #94: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/94/ 13:34 magnuse caroline, Joubu, ashimema, cait1, oleonard-away Cookbook-meeting now, or are my time calculations off? 13:35 ashimema oh.. yes 13:35 * ashimema has had a busy day 13:35 caroline ack sorry! I was making breakfast 13:35 cait1 sorry, can only spare one eye right now :) 13:36 caroline we'll make it quick 13:36 ashimema mmm, breakfast 13:36 * ashimema has been sueless and not submitted any recipes yet :( 13:37 caroline #startmeeting Cookbook meeting 30 april 2021 13:37 huginn Meeting started Fri Apr 30 13:37:07 2021 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:37 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:37 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021' 13:37 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Cookbook_meeting_16_april_2021 13:37 caroline #topic Introductions 13:37 caroline #Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 13:37 oleonard-away #info Owen Leonard, slacker, Athens County Public Library, USA 13:37 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro 13:37 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 13:37 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Norway 13:37 caroline (trying to be too quick) 13:37 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, Germany 13:38 caroline #topic Review of action points 13:38 caroline caroline will search how to create an index in ReStructuredText done! 13:38 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, UK 13:39 caroline If you look at the source of the file here 13:39 caroline https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-cookbook/-/blob/master/source/henfricassee.rst 13:39 caroline you will see .. index:: with the tags 13:39 caroline I added tags for each recipe we'd already received 13:40 caroline ashimema, do you have the link for the rendered cookbook? 13:40 cait1 caroline++ 13:40 caroline I don't know where to find it 13:41 Joubu https://koha-community.gitlab.io/koha-cookbook/ 13:41 caroline ah thanks Joubu! 13:41 magnuse i tried to render as html locally, but ran into a problem: https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-cookbook/-/issues/2 13:41 caroline Here is the rendered index https://koha-community.gitlab.io/koha-cookbook/genindex.html 13:42 caroline I wish it would list the recipe titles instead of comfort food, [1] 13:42 caroline I don't know how to change the appearance of the index 13:43 magnuse well done, anyway 13:43 Joubu yes the [1] is weird 13:44 caroline if you click on Comfort food, it goes to the first recipe and if you click on the [1] it goes to the second recipe 13:44 Joubu it should point to the recipe if there is only one of a list of the recipes having the keyword 13:44 Joubu or* 13:45 Joubu we will create an issue and see if we can do something 13:45 caroline thanks! 13:45 caroline do you want to create the issue? 13:45 oleonard Did we ever come to an agreement about whether adding recipes which have a known source (web site, book) is okay? 13:45 caroline I can do it if you don't have the time 13:46 Joubu caroline: yes I can 13:46 caroline oleonard: here https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook 13:46 caroline it says Note that the Koha cookbook is a public domain (CC0) project. Therefore, recipes must be original or very modified. Do not submit a recipe that is not your own, taken from a website, a book or a magazine. 13:46 caroline #action Joubu will create an issue to make the index look more like a recipe book index 13:47 caroline next action point 13:47 caroline modify the template to add tags/index terms at the end 13:47 oleonard Got it. I remember talking about the US-specific guidelines, but didn't remember if we came to a conclusion. 13:47 caroline That is done too 13:47 caroline I edited the recipetemplate file to add the index part 13:47 cait1 it's shaping up really nicely! 13:47 caroline I don't know what tags we'll receive and if it's important 13:48 magnuse guess we'll just have to see 13:48 caroline I added all sorts of tags to existing recipes, like "Entertaining" for recipes that make lots of portions 13:49 cait1 i think we can always refine/regroup those 13:49 caroline Yeah, maybe we'll have to go back and add some tags to recipes later... we'll see 13:49 cait1 'd like to see what people come up with first 13:49 caroline same 13:49 caroline ok next point 13:49 caroline each one of us asks our colleagues for submissions to test the process and have more examples when we ask the community at large 13:49 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #77: SUCCESS in 1 hr 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/77/ 13:50 caroline I asked my colleagues, but they didn't submit anything... 13:50 magnuse is the ordering of things here: https://koha-community.gitlab.io/koha-cookbook/index.html automatic or manual? 13:50 caroline yet, I'll have to whip them 13:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #78: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/78/ 13:50 caroline magnuse: that is manual 13:50 magnuse ok 13:50 magnuse i don't have a lot of colleagues to ask :-) 13:50 caroline is there something you disagree with? 13:50 caroline I wasn't sure if "Mains" was a good term 13:51 magnuse no, just wondering! 13:51 magnuse bywater wrote about it already 13:51 oleonard "Main dishes" I think is more common in English 13:51 Joubu https://twitter.com/ByWaterSolution/status/1387127141649862656 13:51 caroline Ok I'll change it then 13:52 caroline cute! (BWS tweet) 13:52 cait1 i treid with the coworkers too - but no success yet 13:53 cait1 but it looks like we might be ready overall for the wider audience? 13:53 caroline Yeah I think so too, it's in the next steps 13:53 caroline last action point from last time 13:53 caroline Add submission info to Readme 13:53 caroline Done also 13:53 caroline #topic Next steps 13:54 caroline Send email to the mailing list to request submissions 13:54 caroline anyone ant to volunteer? 13:54 caroline :D 13:54 caroline *crickets* 13:54 ashimema For this, I think it would be best coming from a librarian 13:54 caroline good excuse ashimema lol! 13:54 ashimema hehe 13:54 Joubu good point ashimema 13:54 Joubu :D 13:55 caroline XD 13:55 caroline Ok I'll do it 13:55 cait1 sorry, super busy with migration and deadlines for 21.05 13:55 ashimema :) 13:55 cait1 forbidden myself to volunteer for more stuff .) 13:55 magnuse caroline++ 13:55 caroline #action Caroline to send an email to mailing list to ask for submissions 13:56 caroline Anything else you think of? 13:56 magnuse not me 13:56 magnuse well done so far! 13:57 caroline I wasn wondering if we would want the cookbook to be translated eventually? 13:57 * ashimema intends to get the family cooking some of these as a QA process ;) 13:57 caroline (I always write kookbook for some reason) 13:57 magnuse i'd say we are open to translations? 13:57 cait1 caroline++ 13:57 magnuse ashimema++ 13:58 cait1 i'd wait until it's a little bit more stable 13:58 magnuse yeah 13:58 cait1 i'd probably not translate it into German for now 13:58 * ashimema has a bunch of 6 year olds lighting fires and cooking next week.. don't think I'll be getting them to try the americans bbq recipes yet ;) 13:58 magnuse lulz 13:59 caroline do we want a deadline for submissions? 14:00 ashimema we don't have a 'complexity' rating as such do we.. that could be a helpful tag one day 14:00 cait1 hm or maybe we shoudl add one now? 14:00 cait1 easier than figuring it out later 14:00 cait1 do we have prep time? 14:00 caroline no 14:00 * ashimema didn't want to add more work into the pile 14:00 caroline maybe something like "children friendly" 14:00 cait1 as a tag 14:00 cait1 ? 14:00 caroline yes 14:01 ashimema was just contemplating how I might find a good recipe to try out on the family/the cub group etc 14:01 cait1 prep time or cooking tim could be a nice one to add 14:02 caroline Maybe as an optional information? 14:02 ashimema +1 14:02 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D11 build #107: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D11/107/ 14:02 cait1 sure, optional is fine 14:03 magnuse a deadline might inspire people to actually submit? 14:03 cait1 but could we add a note/suggestion to template? 14:03 cait1 it can be helpful 14:03 magnuse we can always extend it... 14:03 cait1 or make a "volume 2" 14:03 caroline #action caroline to add prep/cooking time to recipetemplate 14:03 cait1 you are a heroine caroline :) 14:03 magnuse yes! 14:03 cait1 waht would be a good dealine? 14:03 cait1 release with koha release... separate from it? 14:04 caroline I'd say separate 14:04 * magnuse too 14:04 Joubu release when the wiki migration is done 14:04 magnuse hehe 14:04 magnuse "before xmas" 14:04 ashimema only if you're still in charge of that Joubu.. 14:04 ashimema I can trust it'll get done that way.. else we might be waiting a while :P 14:04 cait1 maybe sometime between releases for some buzz then? 14:04 cait1 say.. 3 months from now about? 14:04 caroline I think it would be nice to get the print book fro xmas 14:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #76: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/76/ 14:05 cait1 that would also give time for refinements, figuring out book printing 14:05 magnuse yeah, print book for xmas is a good goal 14:05 magnuse exactly 14:05 ashimema I've not looked yet.. are the recipes especially seasonal or more general? 14:05 ashimema i.e does it need to line up with a season 14:05 ashimema ho... we're so international that wouldn't matter 14:06 ashimema ignore me 14:06 magnuse oh we do :-) 14:06 cait1 i think they are not seasonal so far .. or more different seasons probably 14:06 caroline well, Joy made an ice cream recipe, so I'd say that's seasonal 14:06 magnuse yeah 14:06 cait1 maybe bbq is more summer but a hen fricassee is more a wintery dish? 14:06 magnuse yeah 14:06 cait1 koha for all seasons :) 14:06 caroline And Nick's recipe call for dandelion flowers 14:06 ashimema if it's a general mix that's cool 14:06 cait1 could be another thign to tag 14:06 caroline I added the summer tag 14:07 ashimema I was just thinking from the when to release it perspective. 14:07 caroline I wasn't sure for winter 14:07 ashimema hehe 14:07 Joubu tcohen: hope you are going to submit a recipe of an Argentinian asado to compare with Brendan's 14:07 Joubu (at least for the picture, don't forget the wine) 14:07 tcohen Ohhhhh 14:07 cait1 lol 14:07 ashimema mmm, asado 14:07 caroline alright how about july 31st? 14:07 caroline for deadline? 14:07 * ashimema contemplates wood fired pizza now 14:07 magnuse caroline: sounds good 14:08 * magnuse will make pizza when meeting is done 14:08 caroline #info Deadline for sumbissions is July 31st (can be extended if needed) 14:08 magnuse what did we decide about people submitting more than one receipe? 14:08 ashimema silly question.. are we generally aiming to stick to our local foods.. so we get a nice spread of cultures? 14:08 caroline #info goal is to have the print book by the end of 2021 14:09 magnuse ashimema: i'd say anything goes 14:09 cait1 magnuse: i think just wait and see and cut if it gets too much? 14:09 caroline ashimema: I think you can do anything 14:09 cait1 i'd not be unhappy about some more from you :) 14:09 * ashimema struggles to think of what's '"British"'.. we get inspired/steal food from everywhere 14:09 magnuse hehe 14:09 ashimema coolios 14:09 caroline Of course, I want to try food from elsewhere, but if wood fired pizza is what you eat, I'd say it's your culture :D 14:09 magnuse true! 14:09 * ashimema eats almost anything ;) 14:09 oleonard Yeah us colonizers have trouble knowing what our traditional food is. 14:10 ashimema and is always looking for more food inspirations.. as people can probably tell from the Signal group chat ;) 14:10 caroline ^ yup 14:10 Joubu meat pie, fish and chips, english breakfast, those are 100% british/UK ;) 14:10 * magnuse plans an english breakfast for this weekend 14:10 caroline how about may 14th for next meeting? 14:11 ashimema haha.. 'English breakfast'.. the Welsh and Scotts might have something to say about that. 14:11 caroline same time 14:11 ashimema sounds good to me 14:11 Joubu sounds early to me 14:11 cait1 ashimema: a pie would be great actually 14:11 cait1 oleonard: can we get your pecan pie recipe? 14:11 caroline oh right bc of the koha release 14:11 cait1 the one with chocolate? 14:11 ashimema I can do pie.. sweat or savoury cait1 ;)? 14:11 magnuse i'll probably be offline then, but don't mind me 14:11 caroline after release then? 14:11 cait1 I've always wanted to try a savoury one 14:12 caroline beginning of june? 14:12 cait1 it's not a thing here 14:12 Joubu but could be good to have a first overview of the submission 14:12 oleonard cait1: I feel like I can't because I got it from a published article :( 14:12 Joubu s 14:12 magnuse ashimema: both 14:12 cait1 oleonard: aaah i see, but i am sure you got other good ones maybe? 14:12 ashimema savoury and with chocolate.. hmm.. that would probably be more of a baked cheesecake type afair than an pie 14:12 ashimema sure I can find/come up with something ;) 14:12 Joubu no caroline, it wasn't about the release. Go for May 14th 14:12 Joubu will postpone if needed 14:12 oleonard cait1: I'm looking through my recipes for ones sourced "Grandmother" ;) 14:12 magnuse oleonard: just rewrite it in your own words? 14:13 caroline ok then 14:13 oleonard "my own words" == "very modified" ? 14:13 magnuse yeah 14:13 tcohen derivative work 14:13 caroline #info Next meeting: 14 May, 2021 14:30 UTC 14:14 caroline I'll let you guys talk pecan pie, and Imma go finish my breakfast 14:14 caroline #endmeeting 14:14 huginn Meeting ended Fri Apr 30 14:14:25 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 14:14 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021.2021-04-30-13.37.html 14:14 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021.2021-04-30-13.37.txt 14:14 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021.2021-04-30-13.37.log.html 14:14 * caroline is hungry 14:14 cait1 me too :) 14:14 caroline sorry for rushing, but im starving 14:14 oleonard :D 14:15 oleonard It's a hazard of these meetings! 14:15 cait1 ashimema: savoury without chocolate... the chocolate was meant for oleonard 14:15 * oleonard could try adding bacon to the chocolate-pecan pie 14:15 cait1 lol 14:15 cait1 i gave you all ideas... 14:16 * magnuse wanders off to make pizza and wishes #koha a nice weekend 14:16 cait1 have a nice weekend all - I'll take a last dive into tickets and such :) 14:16 magnuse there is a norwegian cookbook called "everything is better with bacon" 14:17 ashimema sounds like my kinda cookbook magnuse 14:17 ashimema I have at least a couple of desert recipes that use bacon 14:18 ashimema bourbon, bacon and pinapple 14:18 ashimema that's a remarkably good combination 14:18 caroline ashimema: does Mallory International ring a bell? 14:19 caroline They wrote to us saying they're from the UK and want training for a library in Mauritius 14:19 caroline I'm like what? 14:19 wahanui well, like is it possible to translate to all calendar systems you use from one calendar system 14:20 ashimema new one to me 14:21 * oleonard volunteers to accept an all-expenses-paid trip to Mauritius to do on-site OPAC customization 14:22 ashimema hehe.. 14:22 caroline cn I give them your (PTFSe) info? 14:22 ashimema funny.. that's just what was going through my mind.. hehe 14:22 ashimema sure 14:22 caroline on-site OPAC customization lol! 14:23 * oleonard has yet to be taken up on this kind of offer 14:23 ashimema info@ptfs-europe.com should do the trick I think 14:24 ashimema or more directly to andrew.auld@ptfs-europe.com 14:24 ashimema ooh.. 14:25 ashimema sounds like one of our peeps have heard of them 14:32 Joubu You all noticed that tomorrow is soft ft freeze, right? 14:36 ashimema I did 14:36 ashimema scary how fast the time is going 14:45 tuxayo hi #koha :) 14:46 tuxayo oleonard: internet connection is bad in Mauritius so you *need* to be there to work 14:47 oleonard Exactly! 14:49 oleonard I can't decide if Koha should be able to find a record titled "!" or if I should just let it never be found, as a natural consequence for naming your work "!" 14:50 Joubu !!! 14:50 tuxayo !!! 14:52 oleonard https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=623604 14:52 oleonard If you try to search for it by title on the streaming service (Hoopla) you get an error, "Your search term must be at least 2 characters long." XD 14:54 tuxayo ! some people did it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!_(disambiguation)#Music 14:54 oleonard Well done Wikipedia! 14:54 caroline your cataloguers should add a 246$a "Exclamationpoint" 14:55 oleonard The standard for good relevance searching used to be Stephen King's "It" 14:55 oleonard Now we have a higher standard to strive for. 14:55 nlegrand :D 14:55 Joubu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/!_(Trippie_Redd_album)?#Track_listing 14:55 Joubu 14."Signing Off" 14:56 Joubu maybe, but won't pass QA 15:00 tuxayo lol 15:07 tuxayo tcohen: about git installs and compiling SCSS. «we devs build it on our environment as needed, and packaging does it as well» 15:07 tuxayo I was thinking about prod install there are at least around 200 of them ^^ . But that would work to not have NodeJS installed on each the instance if there is compilation commit added before deployment. 15:07 tuxayo After all, git installs are there to make it easy to add patches. 15:13 Joubu push push push 15:14 Joubu did we just lose bugzilla when I was going to push? 15:14 ashimema hum.. seems so 15:14 Joubu it's not me, I promise! 15:15 ashimema bad Joubu 15:15 ashimema :D 15:15 ashimema does ttat mean it's time to clock off for the day. 15:16 Joubu I'd have prefered with Jenkins happy 15:16 ashimema mmm, I agree 15:16 reiveune bye 15:17 Joubu back 15:20 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Select2 style on multi-holds <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8fe090ffe3ba8e2ecff3011ef1b967fcc198bada> 15:20 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Hide logged-in option if invalid pickup location <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fa87a516158ba86028167a3b24026e706d130a6> 15:20 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28270: (bug 24279 follow-up) Fix tooltip for the claim lost status <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=47ecad6ad74262a6871a4dd4b17ae947b023ef08> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28258: DBRev 20.12.00.043 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e09cfd5d55291b6046272bd45d53a9dab5d8c668> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28244: DBRev 20.12.00.044 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=36c54d818578e4853254e80d6c59ba7cb3db5bd1> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28244: Fix typo in Ukrainian in history <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eaddf573e9accc603f6a3d56b3570cb62d6fa9b1> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28258: Fix existing occurrence <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d299e1ffc6372fb9768b8baaea86d20d5380e009> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28258: Update bad formatting in AUTO_RENEWALS notice <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8491c6eb294a3cfb77665daa444682e7bee8dd5> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28249: Prevent Selenium->wait_for_element_visible to fall in an infinite loop <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e751ce8cf2be1648fe424d08d9eefeb75d639967> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28250: Remove upload of debug for Selenium failures <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4da4b75686015a2a25f3ed81768d18023561c40> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28244: Fix typo in Ukrainian in language tables in English <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=945548533bac519ff66f9af429954586e58ee883> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Remove size=1 on selects (28066 follow-up) <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4fe7ac0864a330c7f1514f135abd70f54720cd3> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28207: Fix biblio_framework.frameworktext isn't in GROUP BY <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3b28bfe44bfbf1a7d0bf771bb7e3476faa2c117> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28217: Prevent several non-repeatable attributes to be merged <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=92db5e22474bec148cf4346300bc246bedbc6a7c> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 28170: Fix upload.tt search result buttons for page two onwards <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b1dbee18fcd0d55065b0758690c0c58296e6029> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27864: Correct dropdown size <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=153160723398623e3c802134d49d7c83a2603fd9> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27864: Visual feedback on overridden pickup locations when placing hold <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd5e603c3d80975867d95bdd7de714a16b58c0fd> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27932: Add GET /biblios/:biblio_id/pickup_locations route <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2db98432d85568943c92bb1cd092960edb1e64eb> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27932: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5047557cbf3b33e3066fcd5d0ff65cebcf78c230> 15:21 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27061: Remove duplicate permission check in svc/mana/search <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=915c5d13bea82d8ff76e2c76525aa70a1f22961e> 15:21 Joubu here we go, bye #koha, enjoy your weekend! 15:21 * ashimema watches his inbox fill up for monday morning 15:21 tuxayo Joubu++ 15:21 ashimema have a great weekend guys and gals. 15:21 ashimema and anyone else that may not catch 15:22 tuxayo o/ ashimema 15:22 nlegrand (V) (°,,,,°) (V) bye! 15:25 tuxayo ^^ 15:58 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:58 wahanui Congratulations! 15:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #581: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/581/ 16:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #171: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U_Stable/171/ 16:24 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 16:24 wahanui Congratulations! 16:24 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1641: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1641/ 16:28 pra Hi , Everyone . I am planning to install koha on a cloud environment , which one better AWS or Azure . Could you please documentation if any. 16:28 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 16:28 wahanui Congratulations! 16:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #316: FIXED in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/316/ 16:31 tuxayo hi pra :) 16:32 tuxayo pra: doc: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Debian 16:33 tuxayo pra: what do you means by cloud environment? renting a VM with a full fledged OS with admin access to it? 16:34 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 16:34 wahanui Congratulations! 16:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #562: FIXED in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/562/ 16:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #282: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/282/ 16:58 tuxayo I'm trying to set hold rules on next available item. But I can't find it in the circ rules page. Is that named something else? 16:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #317: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/317/ 17:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master build #1638: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1638/ 17:22 caroline tuxayo: what are you trying to do? (you can answer in french in dm if you need to) 17:22 tuxayo caroline: https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28259#c1 17:22 tuxayo step 2 ^^ 17:22 huginn Bug 28259: major, P5 - low, ---, didier.gautheron, Needs Signoff , Checking at branch B an item in waiting hold state at branch A kill koha 17:22 oleonard Also, you won't offend anyone if you speak French here :) 17:24 caroline I have no idea what did meant 17:24 caroline :( sorry 17:28 caroline I think maybe when you place the hold, don't choose a specific item 18:32 AndrewFH tuxayo do you mean item level holds? 18:34 AndrewFH fourth column from the right on the big circ rules table, "OPAC item level holds" gives you the options Allow, Don't Allow, Force 19:48 tuxayo Hi AndrewFH :) 19:48 tuxayo Let me check 19:48 AndrewFH oh, you're still around! I eventually noticed the bug you linked and figure out what didier meant 19:49 AndrewFH he wanted one to make sure that the circ rules were allowing you to place a bib-level hold, rather than item-level 19:49 tuxayo great, thanks :D 19:50 AndrewFH annoying bug, we just fixed the same thing in 20.11 19:51 tuxayo AndrewFH: you mean another similar bug affecting on 20.11? 19:52 AndrewFH yeah, same bug behavior but apparently a different cause. https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25969 19:52 huginn Bug 25969: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Checking in a found hold at a different branch then confirming the hold causes internal server error 19:52 AndrewFH well, maybe not exactly the same as I give it another look. very close 20:02 tuxayo indeed! 21:18 * tuxayo discover after a year that a Koha using koha-testing-docker can't accessed via localhost instead of an IP that changes each time it's launched. 21:18 tuxayo *can be accessed