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19:45 wahanui          okay, cait.
19:45 cait             oleonard is also like the Flash
19:45 wahanui          somebody said oleonard was seeing some buggy stuff though
19:45 cait             oleonard?
19:45 cait             oleonard is like the flash
19:37 tcohen           that was fast
19:37 tcohen           oleonard++
19:36 cait             heh
19:36 cait             course reserves bug?
19:36 tcohen           I like it
19:35 cait             something to discuss for sure
19:35 cait             than a circ action
19:35 cait             it's just harder to tie it into statistics and such
19:35 tcohen           ah, but that could change soon :-D
19:35 cait             it is an article request
19:35 tcohen           how so?
19:35 cait             article requests don't 'do' much at the moment
19:35 cait             yes and no
19:35 tcohen           feels more like an article request to me :-D
19:35 cait             open to better ideas
19:34 tcohen           cait I'm not sure about that workflow
19:26 cait             when you check out the articles to them, but they don't ever need to return them...
19:26 cait             actually i am thinking about using it with our ill backend
19:26 cait             yes
19:26 cait             lol
19:26 oleonard         Automatic return is when my books walk home by themselves?
19:26 cait             i fele like you are trying to start a fight here more than oleonard :)
19:25 tcohen           hehe
19:25 tcohen           oleonard is resurrecting the discussion about terminology
19:23 cait             the feature?
19:22 oleonard         But...what is it?
19:21 cait             we got a terminology list for reasons :)
19:21 tcohen           :-D
19:21 tcohen           it sounds better
19:21 tcohen           just saying
19:21 tcohen           I'm not changing anything
19:21 cait             please
19:21 cait             not reutrn
19:20 cait             checkin
19:20 oleonard         What is automatic return??
19:18 tcohen           cait, oleonard: I think the column should be named 'Automatic return' instead, BTW
19:12 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28190 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Library limitation column not toggable on itemtypes table
19:12 tcohen           bug 28190
19:12 tcohen           that's exactly what I mean :-D
19:11 oleonard         That sounds good to me tcohen, but the table settings js always makes my head hurt when I try to understand it
19:11 tcohen           and let's make the column names translatable, and match those on the template, hehe
19:11 tcohen           and make the library just match that, instead of doing arithmetics
19:10 tcohen           we could add data-column-name='parent_code'
19:10 tcohen           we should start by adding some real names to columns to avoid issues like this one
19:10 tcohen           I find the way it is done (column indexes) too fragile
19:08 cait             an dmaybe another for making them translatable?
19:08 cait             we could start with filing a bug for making them human readabe
19:08 tcohen           hahaha
19:08 tcohen           what new translation stuff?
19:08 oleonard         Well, it's definitely worth pursuing, but I'd have to get jajm's help for sure
19:07 cait             i could never
19:06 cait             i guess that for parsing the yaml code some other code is used
19:06 * oleonard       Don't hate oleonard just because he's looking at this for the first time
19:06 cait             or some directories
19:06 cait             not sure
19:06 cait             .... and inc?
19:06 cait             hm i think it might only work in tt and js?
19:06 oleonard         Hm.
19:06 oleonard         ...but passes the files to different translation scripts based on the type...
19:05 oleonard         Oh, so the new translation stuff in gulpfile.js really just targets specific files or kinds of files for translation... I guess I'd never really looked at it
18:58 cait             course
18:58 cait             all separate bugs of curse
18:58 cait             odd idea?
18:57 cait             or the syspref files
18:56 tcohen           want it done for tomorrow morning
18:56 cait             yeah like the installer files
18:56 tcohen           yup
18:56 oleonard         yaml translations?
18:55 tcohen           ok, will file the bug and CC you both he
18:55 cait             if the sequence matters, nothing woudl speak against that, wouldn't it?
18:55 cait             and we COULD aim to add htem to yaml translations
18:55 cait             i am ok with using non-codes
18:55 cait             that was not that kind of comment
18:55 oleonard         Oh right :(
18:54 cait             next you will suggest to make these files translatable! :D
18:54 oleonard         I don't know why it didn't occur to me sooner... There's no reason for us to use labels like "parent_code" in table settings when we could use "Parent code."
18:53 cait             mean Koha... sabotaging my course reserves bug
18:51 oleonard         All kinds of bugs shaking loose :D
18:51 oleonard         If you hide code by default, description will be hidden instead
18:51 tcohen           ok
18:51 oleonard         It is by position, so the columns settings are wrong
18:50 tcohen           me too, but just noticed code and description are swapped
18:50 cait             hm always thought it was position to be honest
18:49 tcohen           it is not by position, as code and description are swapped on the UI
18:49 tcohen           how do things match, oleonard?
18:47 oleonard         parent code wasn't added to the yml
18:46 cait             hm maybe could be a separat ebug then for backport?
18:45 tcohen           he
18:45 tcohen           it was not me, for sure
18:45 tcohen           yaml has 15, table has 16
18:45 tcohen           ha
18:44 cait             check the yaml definitions first i'd say
18:44 tcohen           what should I check? where?
18:44 tcohen           but
18:44 tcohen           it seems to be
18:44 cait             maybe it's off by one?
18:44 cait             have you checked he number of columsn matches?
18:44 tcohen           this is interesting
18:43 tcohen           but https://snipboard.io/fBZ7hg.jpg
18:43 tcohen           the table config has the 'hidden by default' checkbox set
18:42 cait             aren't disappearing bugs good?
18:42 tcohen           damn
18:42 tcohen           it is there
18:39 tcohen           he
18:39 tcohen           just doing a reset_all
18:39 * tcohen         will delete all the cookies and all
18:39 * tcohen         does it again, just in case
18:38 cait             +1
18:38 oleonard         tcohen: You restarted all the things?
18:37 pastebot         "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "oleonard cait" (29 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/200
18:37 oleonard         Using "is_hidden: 1" in columns_settings.yml isn't working?
18:37 tcohen           cait might be it, though
18:36 cait             sorry for the red hering
18:36 tcohen           I'm adding a column to the itemtypes table
18:36 tcohen           no
18:36 oleonard         tcohen: Are you using the wrapper?
18:35 cait             hm, already in master now
18:35 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28096 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , API datatables wrapper does not deal correctly with hidden columns
18:35 cait             bug 28096
18:34 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28177 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add date column and column configuration to uploads
18:34 * oleonard       working on Bug 28177
18:34 cait             i qa'd something that might be the cause i hink? sorry to interrupt
18:34 tcohen           I'm finding it impossible to make a column hidden by default
18:34 cait             the cities just got added to the ist i think (not by oleonard tho)
18:33 cait             :)
18:33 oleonard         Yes
18:33 tcohen           oleonard have you recently added columns settings
18:09 cait             oleonard++
18:03 cait             [off] taiwanese!
18:02 oleonard         cait++
17:55 cait             [off] thx! going to add lemonjar and the chinese company
17:54 oleonard         [off] Looks good as far as I can tell
17:52 cait             [off] https://www.lemonjar.com.my/index.php/about-koha-ils/ - do you think we should add them now?
17:52 cait             [off] you are just he right person
17:52 cait             oh :)
17:51 * oleonard       me
17:51 cait             someone still around?
17:51 cait             hello
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17:27 davewood         and if i use the web interface to import marcxml the pulldown menu "Record matching rule" only offers one option: 'do not look for matching records'
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16:35 davewood         if i do `-update -isbn` the script complains: "WARNING: Updating record  failed at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl live 470 <GEN24> ... use of uninitialized value $originalid in concatenation ..."
16:33 davewood         I tried with `-update -isbn` and also with `-update` but the script complains about a missing -match param and I dont know which field to pick.
16:32 davewood         `bulkmarcimport.pl -m MARCXML -file foo.xml -d`
16:32 maya-das         hi
16:31 davewood         I imported some records using bulkmarcimport.pl ... now I have updated the import file and want to update the existing records but I get lots of these messages:"Item not added (bib 54439, item tag #1, barcode 74002): duplicate barcode 74002"
16:31 oleonard         ^^ a real ancient relic
16:31 oleonard         my $theme = $input->param('theme');    # only used if allowthemeoverride is set
15:52 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28188 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Accessibility: OPAC - the contrast ratio for text is insufficient [OMNIBUS]
15:52 oleonard         Bug 28188
15:52 oleonard         henryb++
15:45 reiveune         bye
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15:28 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23271: Fix random failure from Categories.t <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5b715a8538cc71bb74eade8464821845f40dc4a>
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15:00 ashimema         I've done that and re-triggered the build
14:59 ashimema         aha.. I've found a gitlab setting.. I can up from a 1h timeout up to 3hr
14:59 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23271: Fix Template/Plugin/Branches.t <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd3b509d551e9d2f1c1154cb3cc9ff5344213905>
14:47 * thd            goes to rest his post jab headache for a chance of productivity again in a few hours.
14:45 * tuxayo         will finally use the calendar feature of phones.
14:44 cait             Joubu++
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14:43 tuxayo           lol
14:43 tuxayo           > #endmeeting
14:43 tuxayo           Caught up!!
14:41 kidclamp         Joubu++
14:41 thd              +1
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14:41 Joubu            #endmeeting
14:41 Joubu            5sec
14:41 Joubu            no objections?
14:41 Joubu            #info Next meeting: 5 May 2021 14 UTC
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14:40 Joubu            #topic Set time of next meeting
14:40 Joubu            #action kidclamp Ask the ML for additional info about how to implement opt-out for notices. One idea would be to have "My message" at the OPAC
14:39 kidclamp         I think we can move on, and we will email the list if we have more questions
14:38 kidclamp         talljoy: any more questions you have?
14:37 cait             or not a must have evrywhere
14:37 cait             kidclamp: i think having privacy features like that is never wrong, even if it's not a must have maybe
14:36 kidclamp         can do, we are working on deciding waht we need and how we should implement, so just collecting info for now
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14:36 * tuxayo         scrolls back
14:35 tuxayo           #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
14:35 Joubu            kidclamp: ask the list? :)
14:35 ashimema         I do like that idea too
14:35 Joubu            that's a nice idea, kidclamp. Even we could enqueue things even if a patron does not have the mtt (like no email), and it would be visible in their OPAC account
14:35 cait             but i'd still show them all if we are on that already
14:34 ashimema         and trying to follow through and add more of the notices to that set
14:34 cait             and then we culd have a message transport type "opac" to
14:34 kidclamp         largely though, it sounds like no one is finding they need additional option to meet GDPR requirements or others?
14:34 ashimema         for unsubscribe I really wonder about just linking to the patron messaging preferences
14:34 cait             that goes the same direction
14:34 cait             i think there is an open bug to have the message view i staff in opac too alreay
14:34 kidclamp         Kyle and I discussed this morning the possibility of adding 'my messages' to patron opac view, and adding a transport of way for patrons to get notices in the opac, but not necessarily have them 'sent'
14:33 cait             if it's a marker you put in the templates, it's would be easy to control when it shows
14:33 kidclamp         and I think ooffering an unsubscribe on the overdues would be an eventual goal for us
14:33 cait             yeah we don't use that at all at the moment
14:32 kidclamp         the patron_emailer script doesn't have an opt-out currently
14:32 cait             via messaging preferences you can turn off a lot of the emails... are there some more problematic than others?
14:32 cait             if that makes sense? we haven' t had requests so far as you can opt them out of most messages and we are not using all of them anyway
14:31 cait             if we get questions about other types of email we help get a list, but we tell them to check with their appointed data privacy person
14:30 cait             but stuff related to their circulation directly (renewal, overdue) should be ok i think
14:30 cait             you can't just emai them things
14:30 cait             if it's not related to their actions witht he library
14:30 cait             I know that there is discussion about informational emails
14:29 kidclamp         in theory overdues are excluded for us too, but in practice they still count against us
14:29 kidclamp         how have libraries implemented it?
14:29 cait             not sure if that applies to overdues
14:29 Joubu            (I...think)
14:29 Joubu            you have to include an unsubscribe link
14:28 ashimema         we've never had such a problem
14:28 Joubu            it's mandatory
14:28 ashimema         yup..
14:28 kidclamp         really we are interested in whether there are any GDPR related issues around this, or if anyone else int he community faces this problem?
14:28 Joubu            yes, definitely
14:28 cait             sounds like a good idea in general
14:28 kidclamp         or alternately, a way to show that patrons have agreed to receive transactional message
14:27 kidclamp         one of the features that is needed is an 'Unsubscribe' link in the messages
14:27 cait             interesting
14:27 kidclamp         Patrons will mark messages as SPAM, this eventually can put our servers on block lists
14:27 kidclamp         This is something we are working on as we face some issues in sending out emails
14:26 cait             wiki updates done
14:26 Joubu            kidclamp: ?
14:26 Joubu            #topic Email unsubscribe - CAN-SPAM / GDPR - how to implement opt-out for Koha
14:26 Joubu            #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
14:26 ashimema         thanks
14:26 Joubu            #action ashimema Write a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' (context of bug 27695)
14:26 ashimema         sorry.. just haven't had a moment
14:26 ashimema         I need to postpone that one once again
14:25 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27695 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Fix style of messages on Elasticsearch configuration page
14:25 Joubu            #topic ashimema Write a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' (context of bug 27695)
14:25 Joubu            #info New wiki page to explain the different debian packages has been written - https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Package_types
14:25 Joubu            thanks mtj for that one!
14:25 Joubu            done - https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Package_types
14:25 Joubu            #topic mtj write something about the new packages for the 21.05 release notes
14:24 Joubu            thanks
14:24 cait             i am on it
14:24 cait             and add elections there?
14:24 Joubu            12 May 2021, 14:00 UTC
14:24 Joubu            https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_12_May_2021
14:24 wahanui          somebody said next general meeting was 13 November, so does 14 November 13:00 ITC work okay?
14:24 Joubu            yes, next general meeting
14:24 cait             that's been set already, right?
14:23 cait             maybe weshoudl put election date on the page
14:23 cait             hi mtj - difficult time for you!
14:23 Joubu            (lot of people missing there!)
14:23 Joubu            done, see https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_21.11
14:23 Joubu            #topic Joubu create the "roles for 21.11" wiki page and send an email to the list
14:22 mtj              hi people, sorry i'm late :)
14:22 Joubu            #topic  Actions from last meeting
14:22 mtj              #info Mason James, NZ
14:22 Joubu            I will rebased the news stuff right after the meeting!
14:22 cait             same
14:22 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14957 new feature, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Failed QA , Write protecting MARC fields based on source of import
14:22 cait             yeah i tried, but didn't get far sorry
14:22 Joubu            and some QA issues need to be fixed on bug 14957
14:21 ashimema         aha :)
14:21 ashimema         Katrin was on that.. but it's failing to apply
14:21 Joubu            ha, does not apply! I missed that one :D
14:21 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Patch doesn't apply , Move C4:NewsChannels to Koha namespace
14:21 Joubu            I am still hoping a QA stamp on bug 22544
14:21 Joubu            things are stuck for most of the topics
14:20 Joubu            #topic Status of roadmap projects
14:20 ashimema         looking at the builds it's been dead for a month
14:20 Joubu            ok, will see after the meeting then :)
14:20 ashimema         so haven't done anything yet ;)
14:20 ashimema         ;)
14:20 ashimema         I literally got told about it 20 mins before this meeting
14:20 Joubu            ashimema: erk, did you raise an alert flag? Can we extend the timeout?
14:19 Joubu            string*s*
14:19 huginn           Joubu: The operation succeeded.
14:19 Joubu            @later tell fridolin looks like the string for 20.11 are not up-to-date on pootle, something missing in your workflow for April?
14:18 ashimema         I've not investigated deeply yet
14:18 ashimema         it was the merges of translations that hit it.. those builds are taking longer than the 1h timeout on gitlab build servers I think
14:18 ashimema         I don't think so
14:18 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28006 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to stable , Restore "Additional fields" link on serials navigation menu
14:18 Joubu            ashimema: because of disk space issues again?
14:18 cait             bug 28006
14:17 cait             but i am waiting for some navigation links to show up and they haven't yet
14:17 Joubu            ok, we will catch Frido when he will be around then
14:17 cait             after 15th new strings were pushed and 20.11 string frezeed announced
14:17 ashimema         also.. manual builds for 20.11 are broken again
14:17 cait             yes
14:17 cait             but none after
14:16 cait             it looks like the scheduled string update around 15th happened
14:16 Joubu            Were you saying pootle is not up-to-date?
14:16 cait             i am nto sure how this works at the moment
14:16 cait             i am not sure, i was hoping to catch fridolin today, but haven't spotted him yet
14:16 Joubu            do we need to ping Bernardo?
14:16 cait             they had been already updated before, but not since fridolin announced and there were some strings pushed
14:15 cait             i noticed the strings haven't been updated for 20.11
14:15 Joubu            #info April releases are expected for Monday 26th
14:15 Joubu            April releases are expected for Monday 26th
14:15 cait             trying to keep us on our toes
14:14 Joubu            (yes I did swap the 2 topics!)
14:14 Joubu            #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:14 cait             please look at the bad and the old as pointed out in my mails :) (and beyond those of course)
14:14 Joubu            something else for/from QA?
14:14 cait             nothing more to add for QA i think
14:14 maya-das         oleonard  >> ok
14:13 oleonard         :)
14:13 cait             oleonard: jinx? :)
14:13 cait             hi maya-das - we are just in ameeting, you are welcome to stay, but questions might be a bit hard to answer right now
14:13 tcohen           cait: will take a look today
14:12 oleonard         Hi maya-das we are in the middle of a developers meeting at the moment, stick around until after if you have a question
14:12 maya-das         hi
14:12 cait             sitting sorry
14:12 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14237 enhancement, P2, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Allow bibs to be added to course without items
14:12 cait             personally... I'd be really really happy to see bug 14237 movign
14:12 ashimema         istting?
14:12 cait             but we also have some long istting stuff
14:12 Joubu            that's the way oleonard, thanks :)
14:12 cait             yep
14:11 ashimema         nice one oleonard
14:11 * oleonard       has been trying to focus on non-enh signoffs
14:11 ashimema         little dissapointing I'm still number 3 in the list.. even with that being the case
14:11 cait             we need more hands on deck
14:11 kidclamp         trying to do what I can when I can
14:11 cait             same here
14:11 ashimema         I've struggled to focus on QA much this month.. only really had a couple of days
14:11 Joubu            but still too many, and we have 2 criticals + 2 majors
14:10 Joubu            NQA queue is back under 100
14:10 thd              Writing things tends to reduce brain consumption.
14:09 Joubu            #topic Updates from the QA team
14:09 Joubu            will be fun to merge them
14:09 Joubu            yes, I have mine already as well ;)
14:09 ashimema         haha.. I'll just note mine locally for now then .. and try to get them out of my brain
14:08 Joubu            ~2 weeks before the release. But we should focus on 21.05 first :)
14:08 * ashimema       likes to have a place to put things early.. that way he can put them there then they're out of his brain so he can concentrate on the more immediate tasks
14:07 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #568: UNSTABLE in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/568/
14:07 Joubu            ashimema: we could start thinking about it indeed, like in 2 weeks?
14:07 ashimema         is there a new roadmap doc for planning the next cycle yet?
14:07 Joubu            5 weeks!
14:07 cait             I understood it like that
14:07 Joubu            heh yes, only 1 month left!
14:06 henryb           To clarify, I wasn't suggesting the timetable should change I'm just surprised how quickly time passes :)
14:06 Joubu            #info Watchout the missing release notes! https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=369387&namedcmd=Needs%20release%20notes&remaction=run&sharer_id=378
14:05 Joubu            #info keep an eye on the 21.05 candidate list https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate
14:05 khall            #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:05 Joubu            https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=369387&namedcmd=Needs%20release%20notes&remaction=run&sharer_id=378
14:05 Joubu            There is a shared search
14:05 ashimema         it's the usual flow
14:05 Joubu            You should also watch the bug reports with missing release notes
14:05 ashimema         indeed
14:05 Joubu            cannot be later than on 28th :)
14:05 ashimema         +1
14:04 cait             henryb foudn the better words :)
14:04 cait             #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:04 henryb           It sounds great but everything is happening so fast!
14:04 cait             does that count?
14:04 cait             souns good but scares me the same time
14:04 thd              +1
14:04 Joubu            I will start using the rel_21_05_candidate bz keyword more and more, keep an eye on it - https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate
14:04 oleonard         +1
14:04 tcohen           Great, releasing a friday means beer party
14:03 Joubu            how does it sound?
14:03 tcohen           Joubu++
14:03 Joubu            * May 28th - Final release
14:03 Joubu            * May 19th - Only bug fixes considered as major, critical or blocker will be pushed
14:03 Joubu            * May 12th - String freeze, draft of release notes published
14:03 Joubu            * May 4-7 - "Hard" feature freeze, nothing considered as an improvement will be pushed if not marked as Passed QA
14:03 Joubu            * May 1st - "Soft" feature freeze, nothing big or with high risk of side-effects will be included into the final release if not marked as Passed QA
14:03 Joubu            Release dates have been announced on the general mailing list earlier today:
14:03 Joubu            #topic Update from the Release Manager (21.05)
14:02 ashimema         #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe
14:02 Joubu            Anyone have something?
14:02 Joubu            #topic Announcements
14:02 Joubu            hi all :)
14:01 Joubu            #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Development_IRC_meeting_21_April_2021
14:01 oleonard         #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:01 talljoy          #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions
14:01 henryb           #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
14:01 thd              #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:00 kidclamp         #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:00 tcohen           #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
14:00 Joubu            sorry for interupting you! :)
14:00 Joubu            #info Jonathan Druart
14:00 Joubu            #topic Introductions
14:00 talljoy          now
14:00 talljoy          right no
14:00 talljoy          no snow in the desert!!
14:00 huginn           The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_21_april_2021'
14:00 huginn           Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 huginn           Meeting started Wed Apr 21 14:00:20 2021 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 Joubu            #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 21 April 2021
14:00 oleonard         talljoy: Can I at least assume it's not snowing where you are?
14:00 wahanui          i think rmaints is fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo
14:00 Joubu            rmaints?
14:00 wahanui          qa_team is, like, cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo
14:00 Joubu            qa_team?
13:59 thd              It would be good if my second jab headache would go away in three minutes.
13:59 talljoy          ha no!
13:59 oleonard         talljoy: Are you still on a tropical island??
13:58 oleonard         Hi talljoy
13:58 talljoy          good morning!
13:57 oleonard         dev meeting in 3min
13:47 magnuse          caroline_catlady, oleonard-away thanks!
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23243: Restore filtering out historic expired subscriptions <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=eeca29afed1b9b9dfc04d3c7ecdc120ff4072fe8>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23271: Use Koha::Object::Limit::Library for Koha::Patron::Categories <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c0c62316854287acb611a1966dbf762f9524419>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23271: Replace search_limited with search_with_library_limits <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6e0b04f48e8f0a02dbb8d48152646257d9accba>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23243: Adjust previous patch <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ddba2b7371fc139f21439aafa691ca9c42b0a7c>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23243: (follow-up) Update wording as requested <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=08c575f8d6e3fafae8ba455404429d7446d768c8>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21883: Pass the item to the template <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=00dfcfcbe8c2f974dd3fe0939fcf8a8087c18dbd>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27465: Add column visibility to admin/cities.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cef6bbd660e45f49aee165e72f2448d92aeac32b>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27644: Add button to SQL report editor for inserting runtime parameters <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9a15b73f01796e1f6f71e5eca8efbee94958af5>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 21883: Show authorized value description for withdrawn in check-in <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=596e59f2a91ac8f2756a7b83083f2bac606cd3bb>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 28086: OpacMaintenance page should use ReplytoDefault if set <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a01f7fac96a43b3f1ab3bcff8901ef1be088181e>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23583: Handle OpacHiddenItems with yaml_preference <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=58c275e04b11b2f0f54b014f31e4054cd92f5a1f>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27644: (follow-up) Wrap strings in translation function <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=983feccf648cd3c77d05795cfc0eb2c098977835>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 28119: Use full description in layout type selection <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1bb9b8b5514f512dfba74ca1ace97ec7fbcb4884>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 28127: add transaction timestamp to register details tables <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=572c0981c3f678fbb32476b8060ca79f0e642016>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23271: (QA follow-up) Minor POD fix <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=10b82a72fa6ef39a43c4dd9de04eb01f7196ab62>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23271: Remove 'selecteds' from Branches <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfdb4961d9e57a22a3e7dc6cdc10e86c5ff32e9e>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 14300: Add %P to SIP LogPattern <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e07c9e9f0646352b25d36602e7b6dbb3e839c9c2>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27644: (QA follow-up) Remove size=1 from template <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1c28724408eb08b22ab9d8720d6acb37e174288>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 23271: Prevent crash if called without parameters <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a941e5b86f36256327d3a890c5037145cb935f7>
13:31 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27644: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=feaeff330cfa9d49c99a0d70da0df87f5316652b>
13:31 Joubu            dev meeting in 30min
12:52 ashimema         Back
12:51 * oleonard       biab
12:51 caroline_catlady it must be because it smells more ;)
12:50 oleonard         caroline_catlady: I don't know why the garbage is hot, it's just the way the idiom is! :D
12:50 caroline_catlady not room temperature garbage or even warm garbage, but hot!
12:49 oleonard         We used an event calendar system from Demco for a while and it was hot garbage.
12:46 caroline_catlady We have a "partnership" with Amilia and integrated Koha with their software for one library https://www.amilia.com/
12:45 oleonard         LibraryCalendar from LibraryMarket
12:44 caroline_catlady oleonard: i'm curious which one you use?
12:44 oleonard         magnuse: We pay annually for a standalone system for that, so if you want to write one for Koha feel free :D
12:42 caroline_catlady magnuse: maybe the clubs function?
12:40 magnuse          there aren't any plugins for organizing "events" in koha, right? like registering participants for a book talk or a games evening?
12:38 * ashimema       needs to quickly drive home.. will be about 10 mins offline
12:37 ashimema         So you can quickly get to see your 'current' register details page if you have one for your session but can also see other tills in the library if you need to
12:37 ashimema         Well..that's why there's library details and register details
12:36 ashimema         I can't remember.. when using point of sale to seek stuff.. if you have defaults or have selected a till for you it session ... Doesn't it revert the till selection with each transaction
12:36 oleonard         It also raises the question: Should I be able to see other register details without switching my "logged in register"
12:35 ashimema         Hmm.. fair question
12:33 oleonard         Right now it shows me the default
12:33 oleonard         If I change my cash register from the one I'm logged in with by default, shouldn't the "Register details" link take me to details for that cash register?
12:32 ashimema         Fire away
12:32 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=28187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , rowGroup headings are getting their styles overriden
12:32 oleonard         Hi ashimema I was looking at Bug 28187, but before I get to that I have a question about cash registers...
12:31 wahanui          hi oleopard
12:31 ashimema         Hi oleonard
11:43 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #294: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/294/
11:23 oleonard         ashimema still around?
10:47 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1623: FIXED in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1623/
10:47 wahanui          Congratulations!
10:47 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
10:44 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11 build #267: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/267/
10:30 oleonard         Hi all
10:13 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D11 build #266: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/266/
10:04 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #549: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/549/
10:01 cait             ashimema: maybe i can help?
09:54 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master build #1619: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master/1619/
09:51 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #155: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U2010/155/
09:51 wahanui          Congratulations!
09:51 koha-jenkins     Yippee, build fixed!
09:39 magnuse          ashimema: linked record options?
09:26 koha-jenkins     Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #567: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest/567/
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 20854: Allow correct redirect on logout for Cas servers 3.0 and superior. <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=91307707ed2ff874ec5e2f25658a286019204e54>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 26940: don't reset debarredcomment on patron update <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b9f1e1560d4cf565f48a4cd09d048b2ee38689e>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 26940: Put in sync borrowers.debarredcomment with comments from borrower_debarment <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c309ee36dde958ff8049c4ed6e381c2d5858dc68>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 26940: Take empty strings into account <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=789ddd59c92183af350eba427ad545e3dce82422>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27232: Add missing space between : and </label> in member-alt-contact-style.inc <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=61d8ec5075ba95c1fd84be6bfefd547749eaae1d>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27282: Add window.onafterprint function <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=fae72d031a080f840b39d892c95f3a9ee6f659ab>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27282: fix all occurrences <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55b050b607869169aae2c52d1f89fd79f62af400>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27830: OPAC library list does not use AddressFormat <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1e309c62802100b2db1b2cdf2109c275be8da06>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27861: Warning in C4/XSLT.pm - use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bda9b9e122df436d48e6416d140a7bbb45c8546c>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 26533: Fix 'is exactly' search for authorities <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a58cf90a3146f385671e6d82ae65de4f36d33316>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 20854: Add more CAS tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c71dda04c605b68b439e1a0ea3132447eeb28b45>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 20854: (QA follow-up) Improve readability <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7c3c066714ce568e507348f1e3a9a6b7db0c4815>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 28096: Fix table settings for API datatables wrapper <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1dcab586427fb2aa1b1c676a4dc2046c202ee671>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 28028: Remove misc/migration_tools/fix_onloan.pl <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c285de980266a23919fe64d26665ccd53355b820>
08:53 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27830: (follow-up) Merge DE and FR address formats <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=953088f8167c545318fe63d41912eda657cde705>
08:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 28162: fix doubled scalar sigil <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=04631818e3c0a56859cb0f029b53111303b60f11>
08:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 20854: (QA follow-up) Rephrase of the new casServerVersion pref description <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6aa6f115bd2330342675781400199a2f3152abf1>
08:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 26940: DBRev 20.12.00.033 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=adf73341e6883a80323695a4e85a2fd37bf7f53e>
08:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 20854: DBRev 20.12.00.034 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da29bf48db6a5e5c383174962c7b81e6ea5bd5d4>
08:52 huginn           News from kohagit: Bug 27830: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=99c10bf4484635e9befdc9c09a56c0f7278c7976>
08:14 * ashimema       is trying to get to grips with all the linked record options we now have.
08:13 ashimema         okies, will chat later then
08:13 jajm             ashimema, i'm here but not really available atm
08:10 ashimema         jajm around?
08:09 ashimema         me neither really
07:50 magnuse          i am not up to scratch on it
07:45 ashimema         I've still not really seen any evidence of anything supporting it.. other than the odd little vanity project to demo it being a fun idea
07:45 ashimema         is bibframe a thing now magnuse?
07:40 ashimema         morning
07:33 huginn           Bug https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=14239 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Bibframe support in Koha
07:33 magnuse          got an opinion about BIBFRAME? please add it to bug 14239 :-)
06:48 alex_a           Bonjour
06:38 wahanui          salut, reiveune
06:38 reiveune         hello
06:30 magnuse          \o/
00:38 * dcook          waves