Time Nick Message 00:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #73: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U2010/73/ 00:26 dcook happy new year doppelganger alexbuckley 00:28 dcook Hmm I must be doing something wrong as the numbers aren't adding up on https://dashboard.koha-community.org/ 00:28 dcook Oh wait... I'm silly 00:28 dcook Nvm 00:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #209: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/209/ 07:43 reiveune hello 07:59 alex_a Bonjour 07:59 wahanui privet, alex_a 08:16 magnuse oops, bug 27355 caught me by surprise after upgrading to 20.05.x 08:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27355 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Missing sip.enabled after upgrade to 20.05.x 08:19 cait1 just upgraded that to minor - not sure if that is severe enough? 08:19 cait1 but sure sounds more like a bug than an enh? 08:27 cait1 happy new year, paul_p 08:42 magnuse cait1: yeah, leaving it at enh was an oversight 08:46 cait1 is minor ok? 08:48 magnuse i think it means that sip2 can not be automatically restarted after the upgrade, so it stays off. that might deserve "normal"? 08:48 cait1 yep 08:48 cait1 at least 08:52 Nioku Hello ! As part of my studies, I have to realize a fictitious project and we have to propose two software solutions. Koha seems perfect for this exercise, however, one of the instructions specifies the need to consult digital documents on the online catalog. Does Koha have this feature? 08:57 cait1 hi Nioku 08:57 cait1 can you be a bit more specific about what you mean by consult? 09:01 Nioku Hey ! By consult, I meant access (read) digitized articles. The project is about a school's library that would digitize various articles and they would want access to those for their students 09:04 cait1 You can upload files in Koha and your records can display the links to them 09:05 cait1 what you can#t do is control access - say only make the links work for registered users 09:06 Nioku Thank you very much ! 09:09 Joubu Postponing yesterday's meeting 09:09 Joubu #startmeeting General IRC meeting 6 January 2021 09:09 huginn Meeting started Thu Jan 7 09:09:18 2021 UTC. The chair is Joubu. 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(v 0.1.4) 09:10 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021.2021-01-07-09.09.html 09:10 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021.2021-01-07-09.09.txt 09:10 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021.2021-01-07-09.09.log.html 09:10 * cait1 waves to all around 09:11 Joubu I don't think the RM is the one to chair the meeting, I've started this habit when I was RM 17.11, but I was already chairing the meeting prior to that 09:11 Joubu We need one (or 2) "meeting managers" 09:12 cait1 hm i thought we had that for a while even 09:12 Joubu To prepare the meetings, deal with tz, chair, ask people if they did their "actions" for the next meetings, etc. 09:13 Joubu gmcharlt: can you create the 2021 entry at meetings.k-c.org please? 09:29 Joubu erk 21th is Thursday! 10:56 Joubu tcohen, mtj: bug 27355, any ideas on how we could fix that? 10:56 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27355 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Missing sip.enabled after upgrade to 20.05.x 11:07 Joubu @later tell AndrewFW Added a note for you on bug 27062 comment 7 11:07 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:10 Joubu @later tell tcohen 27071 what's next? 11:10 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded. 11:18 tcohen buen dÃa 11:33 oleonard Hi #koha 11:37 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 11:37 wahanui Congratulations! 11:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #27: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/27/ 11:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #33: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/33/ 12:14 pastebot "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "diff --git a/Koha/Object.pm b/" (39 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27212 12:29 cait1 hi tcohen and all 12:32 tcohen hi cait1 13:03 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 13:03 wahanui Congratulations! 13:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #34: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/34/ 13:30 fridolin Bug 27351 same as Bug 27349 13:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27351 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , UsageStatsCountry system preference wrong type YesNo 13:30 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27349 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Mana system preference wrong type YesNo 13:30 fridolin oleonard: thanks a lot for testing, if you want ^ 13:31 oleonard ðŸ‘🻠13:32 fridolin we have run a check in sysprefs type and value for our old Koha and we found those two bugs ;) 13:41 oleonard ✅ 14:28 ashimema caroline around yet? 14:30 caroline yes 14:30 ashimema I just submitted a merge request for the manual for you 14:30 ashimema https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/merge_requests/438 14:30 ashimema it's an 'interesting' one 14:30 caroline ah thank you! 14:31 caroline I wanted to do it, but never got around to it 14:31 ashimema might be worth raising in your meeting later.. lucyvh asked for some help as she was really struggling with that file 14:32 caroline it was in the action points from last meeting 14:32 ashimema the magic ingredient that took me a little while to find is the introduction of an additional `.. toctree::` element at the bottom of the new 'globalpreferences.rst' file 14:32 ashimema anywho... should make things a bit easier ;) 14:33 caroline that is what I was struggling to do also 14:33 caroline I was trying to make subfiles, but couldn't magane it 14:34 caroline do you have kids screaming at you right now? 14:35 ashimema yup ;) 14:35 caroline lol! 14:35 caroline nvm then XD 14:35 ashimema though it's the cat that's more distracting at this precise minute.. he's decided it's his turn for some attention 14:35 caroline aw! 14:35 ashimema nah, fire away 14:36 ashimema oh, found a minor bug.. will take a look at fixing that before you get to merging it 14:36 ashimema but yeah. fire away.. how can I help 14:36 caroline ok it says I can't merge automatically, so I was wondering if you had time to walk me through the commands 14:37 caroline sometimes I do it and it works, other time not, and since I have no idea what I'm doing, I don't know what makes it hapy or not 14:37 ashimema I see 14:38 ashimema well.. let me quickly test this extra fix locally first ;) 14:38 caroline It always happens if I get more than one merge request 14:38 ashimema ha.. I bet you just merged someone else? 14:38 caroline My resolution is to marge them as quickly as possible, but I can't control when ppl will send requests 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27252: DBRev 20.12.00.001 <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=f255be3e510942ee1d0211792a4d650aaf938808> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 27252: Add deprecation warning, cross_fields pref, and add version to ES info <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=181267bd2bf66a5efd065b48149eed4ff1044599> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Adjust unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9063ba246bd020de83bc67964a08855a73ccb24> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Don't discard the passed isbn <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=feb7f5f6dd89f58f3b027898705fb0fa57a051ab> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Remove useless condition <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b22c3846caa2004b411c6bd19a5d41bc602e704> 14:38 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Remove false matches on isbn <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=854d404a9c161845731d39980165f8d641713a80> 14:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Don't skip records that match the isbn we passed <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=86617ba7cd54cbeb7f2241468cd3e10f20d2bc27> 14:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26367: Prevent warn about undefined values when record level hold has an itemtype <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2e2a3975fb66d8c2e2766ecbe014fb71952e6d0> 14:39 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 26367: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd83fbe58d6f3ee2cd15880acaaccd495007c83f> 14:40 ashimema hehe 14:40 ashimema ok.. 14:40 ashimema well.. in this case.. as I had it all already here.. 14:40 ashimema I just 'pull --rebase' the branch and pushed it back up over my original merge request 14:40 ashimema so the button should now work as expected 14:41 caroline yup it's there now 14:41 ashimema I think gitlab is fairly cautious on showing that button 14:41 caroline I've also had several failed pipelines emails, but I think we have some decisions to make about that right? 14:42 ashimema basically, first merge will 'beat' all the others.. then all those others will need 're-basing' 14:42 ashimema pipeline emails wise, yeah.. 14:42 caroline sometimes there is a rebase button 14:42 ashimema I think we need to beg Liz for some additional server space 14:42 caroline sometimes not 14:42 ashimema rebases often need a bit of manual help 14:43 ashimema it's the bread and butter for developers 14:43 caroline I don't get why it doesn't want to merge when the files changed aren't even the same 14:44 ashimema it's a setting 14:44 * ashimema sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/juHzPPYiyZzIHNyqPJvCBokW/message.txt > 14:45 ashimema it's because we require branches to be rebased to always create a 'fast forward' merge 14:45 ashimema keeps the tree looking clean 14:45 ashimema and highlights merge issues early 14:46 Joubu it's a feature! 14:46 Joubu :D 14:46 ashimema but.. means you always have to rebase... sometimes that is as simple as clicking the button (likely when files being changed don't clash).. other times it needs the manual intervention 14:46 ashimema hehe 14:46 caroline are fast-forward merges where it doesn't create a commit for the merge? 14:46 ashimema correct 14:46 Joubu the problem is that only the author can click this "rebase" button... 14:46 ashimema aha.. 14:46 ashimema I wasn't aware that's how the rebase button worked 14:47 caroline me either 14:47 caroline that's probably why I sometimes see it and sometimes not 14:47 caroline I see it when it's my own request 14:48 ashimema if that's the case.. I reckon it's OK to comment on the merge request asking them to rebase it for you.. i.e. suggesting they click the button (or do the manual command line fixing).. 14:48 ashimema I'm happy to step in and help lucyvh here when the rebase button doesn't work for her for example 14:48 caroline Ok I'll try it next time 14:49 ashimema :) 14:53 caroline Is there a url for the development version of the manual? I tried changing 20.11 in the url by master, but it doesn't work 14:54 caroline or is that related to the space problem? 14:54 ashimema https://koha-community.org/manual/21.05/en/html/ 14:54 ashimema 21.05 14:54 ashimema but yes.. that's the space issue we have 14:55 caroline ok I'll add a point to the meeting so we can talk about it 14:55 ashimema I was trying to get 20.11 and 21.05 both built from master at the moment.. as you've not branched yet 14:55 ashimema I've since disabled building 21.05.. but as there's a version there already.. it's filled the disks. 14:56 ashimema which is why all builds are currently failing 14:56 ashimema we can nuke the 21.05 version for now I reckon.. but it's only delaying the problem till we branch 21.05 14:56 ashimema branch for the manual that is.. 14:56 ashimema of course.. koha code is already branched.. 15:01 caroline #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021 15:01 huginn Meeting started Thu Jan 7 15:01:10 2021 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021' 15:01 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Documentation_IRC_meeting_7_January_2021#Agenda 15:01 caroline #topic Introductions 15:01 caroline please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes 15:01 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Canada 15:02 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK 15:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 15:05 caroline #topic Review of action points 15:05 caroline change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword 15:05 wahanui caroline: that doesn't look right 15:06 caroline I checked and right now, the search is documentation component AND manual keyword, which is not what we need 15:06 caroline cait can you add an OR to this saved search? 15:06 caroline cait1 ^ 15:07 caroline #link https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&list_id=357040&namedcmd=Documentation%20To-do&remaction=run&sharer_id=13 15:07 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 15:07 wahanui Congratulations! 15:07 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #19: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/19/ 15:08 caroline #action change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword 15:08 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 15:08 * Joubu lurking mode 15:08 caroline I was supposed to document workflow for 21.05, but haven't done it yet, so I'll re-action it 15:09 caroline #action caroline will document workflow for 21.05 15:09 caroline divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI 15:09 ashimema humm 15:09 caroline this was sone today by ashimema++ 15:09 ashimema the search looks right to me.. 15:09 ashimema 'Match ANY of the following separately' 15:09 caroline https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=357042&namedcmd=Manual 15:10 lucyvh ashimema++ 15:10 caroline these two are not in the documentation to-do search 15:10 ashimema humm 15:10 caroline maybe because of the status? 15:10 ashimema ok.. I defer to cait then.. she's better at bugzilla searches than i 15:10 ashimema could be 15:11 caroline add to the Rst tips and tricks page how to wirte notes 15:11 caroline this is done 15:11 ashimema :) 15:11 caroline From now on, please use the .. Note:: syntax instead of **Note** 15:12 caroline #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ReStructuredText_-_Tips_and_Tricks#Notes 15:12 caroline #info From now on, please use the .. Note:: syntax instead of **Note** 15:13 caroline I also started experimenting with other ones, such as .. Warning:: that could replace **Important** 15:13 caroline It makes it red-orange-ish instead of blue like a note 15:14 caroline I don't have a ready example though 15:14 ashimema nice 15:14 caroline I'll try to have one by next meeting and we can discuss if we want to adopt the .. Warning:: syntax 15:15 caroline #action caroline to prepare examples of .. Warning:: syntax for dicussion 15:15 lucyvh Sounds good 15:16 caroline #topic Project updates 15:16 caroline anyone has project updates? 15:17 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #35: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/35/ 15:17 caroline There is a space issue on the server right now 15:17 caroline the manuals aren't being built with the new contributions, if I understand icorrectly 15:18 caroline ashimema: what are the options? 15:19 ashimema * remove the 21.05 in-development manual 15:19 ashimema * remove an older manual ? 15:20 ashimema * request some more disk space and do a little drive to help fund Liz's server again... 15:20 ashimema eventually we'll need more space regardless unless we start dropping older manuals 15:20 lucyvh There are lots of old branches in the respository - would removing them make a difference? 15:20 caroline do you know what is the oldest manual right now? 15:21 ashimema https://koha-community.org/documentation/documentation-unsupported-versions/ 15:21 ashimema well.. we host copies all the way back to 3.0 15:21 ashimema which is an old PDF 15:22 ashimema the challenge is.. recent versions are much more extensive with the inclusion of translations.. 15:22 caroline It's interesting for archival purposes 15:22 ashimema I don't think we share images between translations either.. 15:22 caroline but I don't think we should keep this many 15:22 ashimema so it's literally a full on copy of the entire manual for each translation we have 15:23 ashimema but... weren't we contemplating having translated images too at some point.. 15:23 caroline yes, eventually 15:24 caroline what would be possible consequences of dropping older versions? 15:24 thd Translated images are certainly better than untranslatable images :) 15:24 ashimema each manual is currently 119MB 15:24 ashimema which isn't huge 15:25 ashimema but when you consider we currently replicate it 12 times for each supported version 15:25 ashimema 119 * 12 = 1428 15:26 ashimema * 3 (recently translated versions) = 4284 15:26 ashimema yeah.. they're growing pretty quick now 15:27 ashimema so it's not all that surprising we're running out of space more quickly these days 15:27 ashimema I imagine we're on a tiny low space server 15:27 caroline I think dorpping older versions could have the good consequence of haveing only recent information in Google searches 15:28 caroline When I search for Koha something somethinmg, the first results are often manuals from Koha 3.X 15:28 lucyvh We have to prioritise the recent ones 15:28 caroline it would break links in blog posts 15:28 ashimema ok.. Liz is in another meeting 15:28 thd Better to add a label to the older directing people to the current version. 15:29 ashimema but she tells me it's a linode server and is relatively easy to add disk space to.. 15:29 ashimema but obviously any increment in disk space is also a price increase for her. 15:29 caroline but the problem will be back in a couple of months 15:29 caroline I think we should move toward a more sustainable solution 15:30 thd Linode has two different means of adding disk space. 15:30 ashimema we could zip up older manuals so they're still available as a download from an archive.. but not as a public site? 15:30 caroline if that saves space I'm ok with that 15:31 caroline along with redirecting like thd said? 15:31 ashimema either way.. to get us out of trouble quick Liz has agreed to take a look after her meeting 15:31 * ashimema poked her on Slack 15:31 ashimema I recons so.. 15:32 caroline ok so what are the actions? It's only liz that can do all of it right? 15:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #19: SUCCESS in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/19/ 15:32 caroline or she just controls the the hardware 15:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #16: UNSTABLE in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/16/ 15:33 ashimema and possible rangi.. but I think he said last night he's not really able to either 15:33 thd A disk volume which is not included in automatic backup can be attached on Lindode or the VPS host can be moved to a system with more disk space for a higher price. 15:33 ashimema she controls the hardware 15:33 caroline everyone OK with archiving older manuals as zip files (hosted where?), and redirecting links to newer versions of the manual 15:34 lucyvh +1 15:34 caroline I would archive all manuals for unsupported versions 15:34 thd Would redirection use a rewrite script? 15:35 caroline I don't know how it could work... I was imagining like the thing we have for "latest" 15:36 ashimema 'latest' is a sylink 15:36 lucyvh I'm not sure about all unsupported but certainly the very early manuals 15:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #21: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U16/21/ 15:36 caroline So do we keep two unsupported versions + sall supported versions? 15:37 ashimema git space on gitlab and the likes is free I believe.. we could stick the archived one's in there and link to them that way 15:37 caroline do you have clients who still used Koha 18.05 or 18.11? 15:37 ashimema haha 15:37 ashimema I bet lots of people are still on 18.05 ;) 15:37 ashimema wouldn't be surprised to find 17.x's out there 15:37 caroline we still have one client on 3.14... so I'm not throwing rocks or anything 15:38 lucyvh We have one or two still on later 3.x I think? 15:38 liliputech_asu i 15:39 lucyvh How would this affect the contextual links from the staff interface? 15:39 liliputech_asu i think one of our customer even is 16.11 15:39 lucyvh For those still on really old versions? 15:39 caroline I mean... if they've been using Koha this long, they know how to use it right? 15:40 caroline lol 15:40 ashimema we do? 15:40 ashimema scary 15:40 ashimema lol 15:40 lucyvh haha, they should 15:40 liliputech_asu caroline: lol, within an organisation, people move (and the sigb may not) 15:40 liliputech_asu (sigb => ils) 15:41 thd There may always be new staff members and new use of some features. 15:41 caroline you're right liliputech_asu 15:41 caroline do we know what it does to the links in the staff interface like lucyvh said? 15:42 liliputech_asu if old link are redirecting to new pages, isn'it like some kind of advertisement? o:) 15:42 ashimema dang.. my math was wrong.. it's not 120mb per translation.. it's bigger than that becuase we also build PDF's, and ebooks and stuff 15:42 ashimema sounds like we're going back to needing to keep the older ones to me.. 15:43 ashimema and think about somehow slimming them down or increasing disks semi-regularly 15:43 caroline Because for those who use really old versions, they could download the zip archive and link to them locally 15:43 caroline it's just the links in the staff interface that bug me 15:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #28: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/28/ 15:44 cait1 Sorry for almost totally missing the meeting :( 15:44 lucyvh I don't think we need to keep them all - just longer than only the supported ones - 5 years back perhaps? 15:44 caroline but I think help was in Koha until more recent versions right? 15:44 cait1 but the help pages link to the manual 15:44 caroline there were no links to the manual until... 17? 18? 15:44 cait1 so we'd break these 15:45 caroline ah ok 15:45 cait1 but yes, 16.11 would definitely have the help pages still 15:45 thd We need a better system for staff interface links so that they can direct to a local version with a system preference change. 15:45 caroline so would redirectins work in that case? 15:45 reiveune bye 15:45 cait1 thd that is already possible 15:45 cait1 you configure the link to the manual in a pref 15:45 * ashimema builds the manuals locally so check the sizes again 15:46 caroline I put another point in the agenda that is maybe linked to this 15:46 caroline manual.koha-community.org vs translate.koha-community.org/manual 15:46 cait1 thd: for example we point ours to the nightly translation preview manuals... as the other s don't get updated 15:46 cait1 exactly the point caroline is making there :) 15:46 ashimema haha.. that bug bear 15:46 ashimema that one's bugged me for ages 15:47 caroline I've had complaints that translations are not being built, but they are on translate... 15:47 cait1 can't we just... do a domain redirect and use Bernardo's? ;) 15:47 kidclamp What is the point of the 'DEFAULT' authority type? 15:47 kidclamp oops, in meeting, sorry 15:47 caroline so coud we keep only the english manual on manual.koha... and the translated ones on translate? 15:47 cait1 kidclamp: let me know when you figure it out :) 15:47 cait1 kidclamp: i believe there is a bug somewhere in bugzilla about when it was added 15:48 ashimema the whole translate thing keeps really confusing me 15:48 cait1 I believe the templates are a bit different between those 2 - do we want to make sure they actually look the same? 15:48 ashimema people going off in their own directions 15:48 cait1 ashimema: i don't think they do 15:48 thd People merely need to be reminded to configure the system preference with a download to the manual for their version. 15:48 cait1 Bernardo's was intended to help translating as it constantly updates so you can check what you did 15:48 ashimema right 15:49 ashimema I had a way to automatically submit merge requests for the translated manuals for you caroline 15:49 caroline oh right I forgot! 15:49 ashimema I was waiting on bernardo to let me update the version of git on he translations server.. 15:49 caroline lol 15:49 ashimema I need to go ahead and do that 15:49 ashimema but... 15:49 ashimema I'm not sure that's what we actually want to do anymore? 15:49 cait1 i think we do 15:50 cait1 what we want is update the main repository with the po files generated on the translation server 15:50 cait1 i think we just got stuck on the how often 15:50 caroline I don't know, I think it could solve our space problem to have them divided, but I don't want to impose on bernardo 15:50 ashimema do we.. or do we want to skip the merge step and push the translated builds straight to the koha-community.org/manual site instead 15:50 ashimema save caroline merging translations into our git every time? 15:50 cait1 hm we could also do that 15:50 cait1 and not keep the po in the main repo at all? 15:50 caroline Yes I would prefer that 15:51 ashimema I think I could work that out.. I'm sure if I asked liz would give me an rsync key for it. 15:51 ashimema indeed 15:51 cait1 but it might be nice to have another copy outside of translate 15:51 cait1 a mirror of the repo at least 15:51 ashimema yeah.. perhaps we update the po's in git once a month along with release? 15:51 ashimema koha release that is.. 15:51 ashimema I'm getting pulled away.. the kids, and dog, want a walk 15:51 cait1 on first glance that sounds good to me 15:52 cait1 caroline: quick,@action ashimema ;) 15:52 caroline I think we need to discuss this in detail, maybe outside of a meeting? 15:52 ashimema can you action me for it.. but also add it to our roadmap doc cait1? 15:52 ashimema I'm using that roadmap as a bit of a to do list this cycle 15:52 cait1 now I got actioned... 15:52 ashimema indeed 15:52 caroline action to action 15:53 ashimema right.. sorry chaps and chapesses.. and they/them/others 15:53 ashimema I need to scoot 15:53 ashimema see ya later 15:53 cait1 @ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) 15:53 huginn cait1: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 15:53 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 15:53 cait1 @action ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) 15:53 caroline its #action 15:53 cait1 i probbably can't even do that... without chair? 15:53 caroline #chair cait1 15:53 huginn Current chairs: cait1 caroline 15:53 cait1 #action ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) 15:53 cait1 i can do the roadmap later 15:54 cait1 #action cait to add the translated manuals to the roadmap for 21.05 15:54 caroline ok I'll the other things since we're short on time 15:54 caroline if you wanted to discuss something, add it to the wiki page 15:54 caroline and we'll ppiroritize that next meeting 15:55 caroline #topic Set time of next meeting 15:55 caroline 4 weeks from now would be Feb 18 15:56 caroline I would make the meeting a bit later so david can attend, is that ok with you? I know you're all in europe 15:56 caroline (except thd) 15:56 marie-luce if there small things that a newbie could help you out? 15:57 caroline 19 UTC good? 15:58 cait1 probably :) 15:58 caroline #info Next meeting: 18 February, 2021, 19 UTC 15:58 lucyvh That suits me 15:58 caroline #endmeeting 15:58 huginn Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 15:58:09 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 15:58 huginn Minutes: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021.2021-01-07-15.01.html 15:58 huginn Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021.2021-01-07-15.01.txt 15:58 huginn Log: https://meetings.koha-community.org/2021/documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021.2021-01-07-15.01.log.html 15:58 caroline thanks all! 15:59 caroline @later tell ashimema can you run the meeting script? 15:59 huginn caroline: The operation succeeded. 15:59 caroline cait1: can you check the Documentation to-do list on bugzilla? 16:00 caroline There are these two bugs that are not showing up https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&list_id=357042&namedcmd=Manual 16:00 caroline I think it's because of status 16:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #165: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/165/ 16:03 cait1 hm let me see 16:04 cait1 sorry, which are the bugs? 16:04 caroline bug 27242 16:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27242 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, SPAM 16:05 cait1 the link doesn't work for me 16:05 cait1 bugzilla is silly like that 16:05 caroline and bug 12404 16:05 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, CSV profiles improvements (concatenations, substrings, conditions...) 16:05 cait1 I thin the first should not show up, it's invalid 16:05 cait1 so resolved 16:05 cait1 and the second is closed 16:05 cait1 they are not to-do-items 16:05 cait1 ah hm 16:05 caroline well with th new workflow, the closed bugs with manual are going to be to-go 16:06 cait1 if we mark bugs with the tag and not have separate manual bugs... hm 16:06 cait1 ok 16:06 cait1 i think now it gets complicated 16:06 cait1 we'd want to not show the bugs with the manual component and closed 16:06 caroline I removed the tag from the SPAM one 16:06 cait1 but we'd want to show the ones tagged manual and closed 16:06 cait1 right? 16:06 caroline yes exactly 16:06 cait1 i am not sure if we can make that work in the same search 16:07 caroline is that even possible with bz? 16:07 cait1 i am having a look 16:07 caroline Ok then can you do Docuemtnation to-do 1 and documentation to-do 2? :P 16:07 cait1 i thik i can maybe do it with a custom status 16:08 cait1 custom search 16:08 cait1 let me see 16:10 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U16 build #148: FAILURE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_U16/148/ 16:17 cait1 caroline: could you give it a test please? 16:18 lukeG hi Koha! 16:18 wahanui hi Koha! is, like, there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) 16:18 caroline wahanui forget hi Koha! 16:18 wahanui caroline, I didn't have anything matching hi koha 16:18 cait1 hi lukeG :) 16:19 caroline cait1: seems ok! 16:20 cait1 ok, i will leave it like that and if you spot something let me know? 16:20 caroline cait1: should this one be in the list? bug 25442 16:20 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25442 minor, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Release dates are missing from the timeline 16:20 cait1 hm my first thoguht woudl be no 16:21 cait1 It's documentation component and resolved 16:21 cait1 so there should benothing to do 16:21 cait1 manual keyword and resolved one should show now tho 16:21 caroline maybe exclude duplicates? 16:22 cait1 hm don't think we should 16:22 cait1 i mean show them 16:22 cait1 becuase if it#s a duplicate the "real" bug will show 16:22 cait1 or should 16:23 cait1 yu will never get these out of the todo list otherwise 16:23 cait1 this bug can't be "done" 16:24 caroline so we should exclude duplicates is what I understand 16:24 cait1 but it doesn't show, does it? 16:24 caroline If I click on Documentation to-do, it's there 16:24 cait1 ok it does 16:24 cait1 sec 16:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10 build #444: UNSTABLE in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10/444/ 16:25 cait1 sorry, we meant the same thing actually 16:25 cait1 it should be gone now 16:27 caroline +1 16:34 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1528: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1528/ 16:44 ashimema right.. 16:44 ashimema if/when you go to build translations caroline.. from that tools page.. it'll now create a proper gitlab merge request for you 16:44 ashimema so.. you can use that for the monthly translation updates 16:45 ashimema as for updating regularly.. I'm just contemplating how to achieve it. 16:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D11 build #178: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D11/178/ 16:49 caroline ashimema: cool! thank you so much! Now I just have to remember to do it 16:51 cait1 bye #koha! 17:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #36: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D10/36/ 17:16 ashimema wow 17:16 ashimema I just built the manuals again 17:16 ashimema the epub is bloody huge! 17:18 caroline do we have statistics on acces/link clicks? 17:18 ashimema right... so for the current master version.. the manual.. with all translations, the website and the epub 17:18 ashimema it comes out at 1.9G 17:19 caroline eesh 17:19 ashimema er.. you'd have to ask liz.. I don't know that 17:19 caroline ok just wondering if it's used at all (the epub) 17:19 ashimema so that's 8GB for the supported plus 'next' manual at a rough estimate. 17:20 ashimema then roughly the same for all the older manuals combined 17:20 ashimema indeed 17:20 ashimema I'm not even sure I know how to get it. 17:21 caroline surely someone asked for it if we build it, but do they still use it? 17:23 marie-luce wow, it's huge 17:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #488: SUCCESS in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9_My8/488/ 17:24 caroline wizzycray around? 17:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #20: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U20/20/ 17:32 ashimema don't think the epud is that huge actually.. 17:32 ashimema it's more the translations as I said.. 17:32 ashimema 1.9gb is for the translated html and epubs all combined 17:33 ashimema the epubs are smaller than the html I believe 17:33 ashimema the biggest saving we could make would be to put the images at a top level and share them between all the translations... 17:33 ashimema but if we actually are going to have translated images there's no point even trying to separate them out 17:33 ashimema as we've just need to undo that again to translate them 17:34 ashimema dinner time for me 17:34 ashimema laters people.. have a nice evening 17:52 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 17:52 wahanui Congratulations! 17:52 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #17: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U18/17/ 17:53 oleonard How has Bug 25067 changed the process for updating and installing translations? 17:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to master , Move PO file manipulation code into gulp tasks 17:54 oleonard Do I need to run all the commands listed in the test plan? 17:56 cait installing should still be the same i think 17:56 cait updatin gis different 17:57 cait the gulp install etc you will need 17:57 cait Locale::XGettext::TT2 needs to be installed 17:58 cait the test plan on comment 68 reads well 17:59 cait steps 1 2 basically 17:59 cait i think you can run po:update with lang too, but not sure 17:59 cait it's much faster than before 17:59 oleonard Great, thanks cait 18:02 cait hope it works well for you 18:13 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D11 build #33: UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D11/33/ 18:21 oleonard I was hoping it would magically resolve my problem with Bug 26244, but no such luck. 18:21 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Move translatable strings out of memberentrygen.tt and into JavaScript 18:23 caroline Did we block some auth value categories to certain uses? 18:23 caroline I'm trying to add a field to a subscription and I can't choose the DEPARTMENT category 18:24 caroline It seems it was possible before https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-manual/-/blob/master/source/images/serials/addingfieldvalues.png 18:29 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #29: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_D9/29/ 18:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #20: SUCCESS in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U2010/20/ 18:32 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #22: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.11_U16/22/ 18:32 caroline I think it's on purpose? I can't See Asort/Bsort either in the list 18:34 caroline My authorized value categories : https://snipboard.io/7qklCQ.jpg 18:34 caroline Authorized value categories available for additional fields https://snipboard.io/qK8Uo6.jpg 18:40 caroline ah! It's because I didn't have any values in my DEPARTMENT category 18:41 caroline Sneaky! 18:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #166: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D10_CPAN/166/ 19:06 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1529: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1529/ 19:36 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #182: STILL UNSTABLE in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/182/ 19:44 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 19:44 wahanui Congratulations! 19:44 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #176: FIXED in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/176/ 19:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #39: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/39/ 19:55 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 19:55 wahanui Congratulations! 19:55 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #210: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/210/ 20:23 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #74: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U2010/74/ 20:26 oleonard tcohen still around? 20:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #40: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/40/ 20:40 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #178: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/178/ 20:40 koha-jenkins kidclamp: Bug 27252: Default to cross fields off 20:40 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27252 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , ES5 no longer supported (since 20.11.00) 20:59 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #177: UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/177/ 21:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #211: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/211/ 21:11 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 21:11 wahanui Congratulations! 21:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #183: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/183/ 21:39 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 21:39 wahanui Congratulations! 21:39 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #179: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/179/ 21:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #75: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U2010/75/ 21:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #41: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U18/41/ 21:52 cait caroline: I have added our manual problem to the roadmap Automated updates for translated manuals 21:52 cait https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap 21:52 cait ashimema: Manual issue added to roadmap https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap 21:55 caroline thanks cait! 21:55 caroline Now we have to work on it! 21:55 cait very true :) 21:59 ashimema Ta 22:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #178: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D9/178/ 22:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #212: STILL UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U20/212/ 22:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #184: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_U16/184/ 22:54 tuxayo gmcharlt around?