Time  Nick       Message
22:40 tuxayo     caroline: ugh, indeed that isn't great for translating the backported patches. ^^"
22:39 caroline   oh well *shrugs*
22:39 caroline   lol! I don't think I will be doing a lort of translating over the holidays
22:38 cait       got a bi tmore time then to get these patches rebased maybe...
22:38 cait       ah ok :)
22:38 tuxayo     cait: caroline 24 december freeze, 5-6 january release
22:37 tuxayo     cait: indeed, for the string freeze, let me check the new dates
22:37 tuxayo     good, nothing scary
22:37 cait       for bugfix releases - but maybe later than usual as they are scheduled for january?
22:37 dcook      np
22:36 tuxayo     dcook: thanks :)
22:36 tuxayo     cait: what do you mean?
22:34 huginn     dcook: The operation succeeded.
22:34 dcook      @later tell tuxayo yeah the tests just need to be updated for 19.11 to reflect the actual output.
22:30 cait       there should be an update again soon on pootle
22:30 * cait     sends cookies
22:16 caroline   [off]thankfully, my boss is acting as a human shield for me with this client -_- otherwise I would have burned out
22:15 caroline   anyway, it normally wouldn't be a problem, but this client is... particular, and it just stresses me out for nothing
22:14 caroline   it's not like it's a new feature
22:14 caroline   I mean they are really basic things like the "Suspend"/"resume" button for holds that aren't translated
22:13 caroline   I think maybe contextualizations or .inc that were added or moved
22:13 cait       caroline: i think these were a lot of Owen's patches being backportet- I remember those too
22:03 tuxayo     ok
22:03 tuxayo     Well, many thing get backported in the first six months
22:03 caroline   A lot of things were moved into messages-js.po
22:01 tuxayo     It's a surprise that it can cause so many missing translations.
21:59 caroline   No i think it's that things were added/modified in the point releases
21:59 tuxayo     Maybe there is an issue :o
21:59 tuxayo     caroline: «I'm sure I was at 100% for 20.05 at one point»
21:50 cait       i will probably get grumpy as soon as you branch 21.05  and all the new stuff appears :)
21:47 caroline   I gave up on translating the manual... -_-
21:46 caroline   LOL!
21:46 cait       i might finish before I am 90
21:46 * cait     is working on translating the manual ...
21:46 cait       do you see issues in other areas too?
21:46 cait       i have that on my list... and keep nagging ashimema
21:45 cait       in accounting we are missing quit e afew patches for fixing things
21:36 caroline   [off]I'm scrambling because it's a more difficult client who gets offended by one english word...
21:35 caroline   we have a client testing 20.05.05 and there are so many missing translations... I'm sure I was at 100% for 20.05 at one point
21:34 tuxayo     ^^
21:34 caroline   good to know
21:34 caroline   ok tahnks!
21:34 cait       as it should be tuxayo++
21:34 tuxayo     caroline: yes, exported from Pootle the day of the release.
21:33 caroline   tuxayo: when you do a point release, does it come with the latest po files?
21:21 cait       caroline++ :)
21:20 tuxayo     let's signoff
21:20 tuxayo     thanks you two :)
21:20 tuxayo     caroline: ok no worries then
21:20 cait       ok
21:19 tuxayo     cait: even if it's "Really fuzzy", it's still a begin with search
21:19 caroline   I usually use it to find things near what I'm searching for
21:18 caroline   that's what browsing is
21:18 tuxayo     Odd that one must know well the name to find. Even if it begin with "a", it matter
21:16 tuxayo     cait: indeed it's a begins with search!
21:16 caroline   I think the brosw feature is supposed to be "starts with" no?
21:15 cait       have you tried making it fuzzier?
21:15 cait       i can't verify right now, but oculd it be doing a begins with search?
21:15 cait       hm
21:13 tuxayo     Does anyone know about the OPAC's "Browse search" feature and if it's normal that searching (by title) in sample data "All music" yields "All music guide to soul" but searching "guide" doesn't?
20:08 cait       :)
20:07 wahanui    privet, ashimema
20:07 ashimema   Hi
19:48 * cait     waves
19:38 tcohen     hehe
19:38 tcohen     earlier?
19:28 * oleonard will try later
19:24 oleonard   ashimema still around?
18:22 huginn     Bug 12430: major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to oldoldstable , Relevance ranking should also be used without QueryWeightFields system preference
18:22 huginn     tuxayo: The operation succeeded.
18:22 tuxayo     @later tell dcook__ do you have hints about what should be done to make some of your buildQuery() tests work in 19.11? https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=12430#c92
17:06 reiveune   bye
15:13 Joubu      we have one, but we don't want to reject all of them
15:12 ashimema   do we need a robots.txt?
15:12 ashimema   ahh..
15:12 Joubu      ashimema: kicked some bots and git server is feeling better now
14:56 ashimema   maybe I'm wrong on the rabbitmq front.. it should be listening for notifications.. but I'm sure when I read the code it look like it was looping more like a poll
14:56 ashimema   in both cases we are basically doing polling anyway as far as I can tell.. just one polls rabbitmq whilst the other polls mysql
14:55 ashimema   the code is simple there.. if it find a rabbitmq config and connection it'll use it.. if not it'll just poll the database for jobs
14:54 ashimema   yup
14:52 domm       and koha-worker will figure out by itself it is using RabbitMQ or the DB?
14:51 domm       ashimema: ok, perfect, thanks
14:46 ashimema   I was just trying to use the UI to give the above links to our repo instead of in github
14:46 ashimema   nope
14:45 Joubu      are you cloning the repo?
14:45 Joubu      I've just noticed it few minutes ago
14:45 Joubu      it's swapping right now
14:45 Joubu      yes
14:45 ashimema   https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/blob/master/misc/background_jobs_worker.pl#L31and referencing it in the hard coded list of available jobs here
14:45 ashimema   so.. for adding a background job.. I think it's as simple as adding a module here: https://github.com/Koha-Community/Koha/tree/master/Koha/BackgroundJob
14:44 ashimema   ok.. github links will work instead
14:43 ashimema   man.. git.koha-community.org is slow
14:43 ashimema   whilst we pretend we want to support all SQL's (but only in reality support MySQL/MariaDB) we'll never utilise any of the core strength of Pg anyways
14:43 oleonard   At least that's the polite version :D
14:42 ashimema   but...
14:42 ashimema   postgres is lovely
14:42 oleonard   "too bad you're not using Postgres" is what every dev new to Koha seems to say :|
14:42 ashimema   that's what Minion uses
14:42 ashimema   I totally wanted that
14:42 ashimema   yup
14:42 domm       oh, and too bad you're not using Postgres, because their pg_notify is a great way to implement easy job queues
14:41 ashimema   ;)
14:41 ashimema   that's not to say "Don't play with RabbitMQ".. more to say.. "Don't get held up by a need to play with RabbitMQ"
14:41 domm       are there any docs available on the background job setup?
14:40 domm       ashimema: ah, ok.
14:40 ashimema   we literally just do FIFO processing of jobs as and when they hit the queue... inside one daemon process
14:39 ashimema   and we don't do anything clever like parallel jobs, forking, dependancies etc
14:39 ashimema   the workers fall back to polling the database
14:39 * ashimema hints that you don't actually need rabbitMQ at all
14:38 domm       ok, thanks, we'll first need to set up rabbitMQ etc :-)
14:36 Joubu      I can provide you early feedback whenever you want
14:35 Joubu      and you will get the point
14:35 Joubu      Bug 22417: Add Koha::BackgroundJob::BatchUpdateBiblio
14:35 Joubu      commit 0848d46ce60b780a9530e46de0bddd2b7ed21ea1
14:35 Joubu      compare with
14:35 Joubu      this commit provided the changes from the .tt and controller
14:34 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22417 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Add a task queue
14:34 Joubu      Bug 22417: Adapt the batch_record_modification tool
14:34 Joubu      domm: commit 63cf7a0307be91d30766a2cf971737077f75cfb9
14:25 cait       looks about right
14:21 domm       tools/batch_record_modification.pl  ?
14:19 domm       were BatchUpdateBiblio|Authority also some cgi-scripts earlier? If yes, where can I find them (in git), because I assume I can get some nice hints on how to port stage-marc-import.pl
14:18 domm       Joubu: I assumend that, hence the "only" :-)
14:03 Joubu      that's not trivial
13:45 domm       So I would "only" need to convert stage-marc-import.pl to Koha::BackgroundJob::MARCImport
13:40 cait       no, seriously
13:40 cait       and add it to the Raod map :P
13:38 Joubu      great
13:38 Joubu      that would beg reat
13:38 Joubu      yes!
13:32 domm       so I could port stage-marc-import.pl to the rabbitMQ solutiuon described in 22417 ?
13:31 domm       ok, I was just reading through the issues , wow, lots of discussions
13:29 Joubu      the plan is to replace the other scripts to make them use this mechanism
13:29 Joubu      have a look at 22417
13:29 Joubu      domm: Since 20.11 we have a task queue based on rabbit-mq. So far only the batch record modification tool has been implemented
13:16 domm       So if you have decided on a solution, and "just" need somebody to help implementing, I could probably do that (depending on the actual amount of work it'll take ...)
13:15 domm       But I don't know a lot about Koha etc
13:14 domm       anyway: I've implemented my fair number of task queues using various tools (from filesystem, DBs to Redis)
13:13 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=22417 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Add a task queue
13:13 domm       and/or bug 22417
13:11 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15032 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , [Plack] Scripts that fork (like stage-marc-import.pl) don't work as expected
13:11 domm       bug 15032 seems to be the cause?
13:07 domm       we're running Koha under Plack, and would like to do eg stage-marc-import.pl
13:07 domm       any pointers what needs fixing?
13:07 domm       hey, in apache-shared-intranet-plack.conf a couple of scripts are deactivated "so they don't break under plack/starman"
11:45 kohaputti  this functions seems to pop up in every problem :D
11:44 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27032 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, joonas.kylmala, NEW , CanBookBeRenewed is not understandable and needs refactoring
11:44 kohaputti  and now the fix is back to bug 27032
11:42 kohaputti  probably not related.
11:42 kohaputti  actually... those should be based on the due date
11:42 kohaputti  (because using wrong circ rule I guess)
11:42 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=24550 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Books renewals triggers item loan policies to revert to branch renewing item
11:42 kohaputti  hmm, there seems to be also problems with overdue notices not being triggered: bug 24550
11:39 kohaputti  using branch specific rules is not so great it seems :D
11:38 kohaputti  actually.. I think here CanBookBeRenewed has an issue... It should use the holdingbranch if PickupLibrary and homeorholdingbranch = holdingbranch. Or so I think, it is strange that the circ rule would be different based on whether it is when doing checkout, when doing fine calculation, when doing renewal
11:34 tcohen     hehe
11:31 kidclamp   I will always take the compliment of being confused for him :-)
11:31 kohaputti  sorry, confused somehow the names
11:31 kidclamp   kohaputti: looks like that was khall?
11:30 oleonard   Hi #koha
11:23 cait       kohaputti++ old bug fixing
11:22 cait       morning tcohen
11:22 cait       the treasures hidden in our bugzilla
11:22 cait       oh my
11:21 * cait     waves
11:20 tcohen     morning
11:19 kohaputti  now the renewal goes based on the holdingbranch, but with fines it goes with homebranch.
11:18 kohaputti  The issue we have is that different circulation rules are used for renewal and fine calculation
11:17 huginn     Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10374 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Patch doesn't apply , Clean up and unify CircControl related code
11:17 kohaputti  kidclamp, just bumped into bug 10374 – I guess I could rebase the patch you submitted almost a decade ago, are you onboard with me? :)
08:27 * cait1    waves
07:43 alex_a     Bonjour
07:27 reiveune   hello
07:01 fridolin   hi