Time Nick Message 03:35 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 03:35 wahanui Congratulations! 03:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1513: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D9/1513/ 04:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D8 build #24: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D8/24/ 04:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_10 build #3: STILL FAILING in 9 min 37 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_10/3/ 04:20 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #5: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/5/ 04:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D8 build #25: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D8/25/ 04:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #6: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/6/ 04:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #904: FAILURE in 3.8 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_Master_D8/904/ 04:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #7: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/7/ 04:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #8: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/8/ 04:54 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed! 04:54 wahanui Congratulations! 04:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #146: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D10/146/ 04:56 jbpalacio hi everyone 04:58 jbpalacio anyone here? 05:01 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #9: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/9/ 05:11 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #10: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/10/ 05:16 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D8 build #26: NOW UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D8/26/ 05:21 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #11: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/11/ 05:31 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #12: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/12/ 05:41 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #13: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/13/ 05:45 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #341: UNSTABLE in 2 hr 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_D9/341/ 05:51 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #14: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/14/ 05:56 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D8 build #27: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_20.05_D8/27/ 06:02 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #15: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/15/ 06:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #16: STILL FAILING in 3 min 1 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/16/ 06:05 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #17: STILL FAILING in 5.8 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/17/ 06:18 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #18: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/18/ 06:28 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #19: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/19/ 06:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #20: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/20/ 06:38 jbpalacio Hi can anyone help me. I can't seem to search a book using ISBN but can search using the Title 06:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #21: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/21/ 06:58 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #22: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/22/ 07:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #23: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/23/ 07:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #24: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/24/ 07:19 reiveune hello 07:19 wahanui hey, reiveune 07:22 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #25: STILL FAILING in 3 min 30 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/25/ 07:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #26: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/26/ 07:33 alex_a Bonjour 07:43 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #27: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/27/ 07:45 Joubu tuxayo: https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/global 07:51 nlegrand matin ! 07:53 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #28: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/28/ 08:03 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #29: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/29/ 08:06 Joubu mtj: seen 19.05_U16 is getting crazy? 08:06 wahanui I haven't seen '19.05_U16', Joubu 08:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #30: ABORTED in 5 min 30 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_19.05_U16/30/ 08:09 Joubu mtj: I disabled it 08:25 * cait waves 08:25 cait good morning good koha people 08:33 mtj hi #koha, hi cait 08:33 mtj hi Joubu, sorry about jenkins... i dont know why it keeps failing 08:35 mtj ..the git shallow-clone for Koha_19.05_U16 keeps timing-out 08:37 mtj lets leave it disabled :) 08:50 magnuse \o/ 09:58 tcohen morning 10:05 Joubu https://www.comedywildlifephoto.com/gallery/finalists/2020_finalists.php 10:25 TimothyAlexis bug 27080 needs discussion 10:25 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27080 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timothy_alexis.vass, Failed QA , Add --statute-barred option to cleanup_database.pl to purge all fees where the item has been returned and the fee is older than the given number of days. 10:25 TimothyAlexis bug 27050 is ready for sign off 10:26 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=27050 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timothy_alexis.vass, Needs Signoff , Allow multiple category_codes in delete_patrons.pl 10:29 tcohen those are really cool. Joubu 10:36 severine_q bonjour #koha ! 11:01 ashimema second days post available now... it was written in a bit of a hurry this morning: https://koha-community.gitlab.io/KohaAdvent/2020-12-02-data_storage/ 11:02 ashimema so let me know if you spot any issues.. I missed my editorial step 😉 (thought someone else was writing this mornings one) 11:03 Joubu "lacked any any form" 11:03 Joubu "In yesterdays post" 11:03 ashimema I'm in meetings now 11:07 kidclamp fixed 11:07 ashimema thanks :) 11:08 ashimema all a bit rushed today 11:09 kidclamp @later tell ivandz Elasticsearch 6.x should work in 19.11 and forward I believe, for 20.11 I would recommend that 11:09 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded. 11:21 tuxayo Hi #koha o/ 12:14 shaffendi hi guys..need help here.. how do i set koha rebuild zebra on 1pm everyday? i guess koha is automaticly rebuild zebra on every night right? but i need to add 1 more @ 1pm 12:14 shaffendi can anyone help? 12:33 tuxayo Hi shaffendi :) Is there a reason you need a rebuild every day? 12:34 tuxayo Having the Zebra indexer running will make the new records indexed immediately if I understand correctly. 12:54 shaffendi tuxayo really? 12:55 shaffendi i thought for example if u finish catalog a book today the record will appear at opac tomorrow? 12:55 shaffendi i mean after cron everynight 12:55 shaffendi am i correct? 12:59 Joubu you need the koha-indexer daemon running 12:59 Joubu then it will index your record after a couple of minutes 13:00 tuxayo shaffendi: if the zebra setup is correct (with the indexer running) it's not needed to wait 13:00 tuxayo Indeed, just a few minutes 13:00 tuxayo thanks Joubu I didn't know 13:00 shaffendi could u pls tell me how can i set the koha-indexer running? 13:01 tuxayo I think the right documentatio is this one: 13:01 tuxayo https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/PackagesIndexDaemon 13:01 Joubu make sure it's not running already: ps aux | grep koha-indexer 13:02 tuxayo Yes, the doc says it should be running by default. If you installed Koha via Debian the packages. 13:03 shaffendi uthmlib@KOHALIB:~$ ps aux | grep koha-indexer uthmlib+ 977 0.0 0.0 18708 196 ? S 21:02 0:00 daemon --name=uthmlib-koha-indexer --errlog=/var/log/koha/uthmlib/indexer-error.log --stdout=/var/log/koha/uthmlib/indexer.log --output=/var/log/koha/uthmlib/indexer-output.log --pidfiles=/var/run/koha/uthmlib/ --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=uthmlib-koha.uthmlib-koha -- /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -daemon -sleep 13:03 shaffendi is this correct? 13:03 shaffendi i mean normal? 13:04 Joubu yes, it's running 13:04 Joubu you shouldn't do anything else 13:04 shaffendi ok thanks!!!!! 13:04 Joubu create a new bibliographic record, wait a couple of minute and search for it 13:04 shaffendi ok thanks 13:04 shaffendi really appreciate it 13:06 cait actually more seconds than minutes in my experience :) 13:07 cait since switching to the indexer 13:11 Joubu yes, but better to tell "couple of minutes" to be sure ;) 13:11 Joubu indeed it should be a matter of few secondes 13:15 shaffendi ok will do. thanks once again for info 14:00 oleonard Hi all 14:00 tuxayo hi oleonard 14:00 wahanui hi oleopard 14:05 caroline ashimema, were you able to try an fresh install? 14:07 ashimema not yet 14:07 tcohen Anyone willing to help with the Koha advent calendar we've started, feel free to /join #koha_advent_20 14:07 ashimema been in meetings all day 14:33 tuxayo Meeting in half an hour! 14:43 Joubu Thanks oleonard! 14:44 cait1 ducking into the next meeting now too 15:00 Joubu wahanui qa_team is dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo 15:00 wahanui ...but qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts... 15:00 Joubu no, wahanui qa_team is dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo 15:00 wahanui okay, Joubu. 15:00 Joubu no, wahanui qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo 15:00 wahanui okay, Joubu. 15:00 ashimema sorry, got pulled into another meeting 15:00 ashimema around now 15:00 Joubu no, wahanui rmaints is fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo 15:00 wahanui okay, Joubu. 15:01 Joubu #startmeeting General IRC meeting 2 December 2020 15:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 2 15:01:25 2020 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_2_december_2020' 15:01 Joubu #topic Introductions 15:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe 15:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart 15:02 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblire, France 15:02 tuxayo #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France 15:02 fridolin ah AndrewFH i was not sure of your nick, hello 15:02 * AndrewFH waves 15:02 fridolin seen your picture on BW site ;) 15:02 wahanui I haven't seen 'your', fridolin 15:02 Joubu hey we have the whole RMaints team! 15:03 AndrewFH (currently waiting on a librarian to show up to talk about quarantine workflows - sorta semi-present) 15:03 ashimema impressive.. can't remember the last time we had the whole team 15:03 Joubu #topic Announcements 15:03 Joubu ashimema: the advent calendar maybe? 15:04 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 15:04 * fridolin starting RMaint 20.11 gently 15:04 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting_2_December_2020 15:04 ashimema #info We have a community advent calendar this year: https://koha-community.gitlab.io/KohaAdvent/ 15:04 ashimema #link https://koha-community.gitlab.io/KohaAdvent/ 15:04 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Montréal, Québec (Canada) 15:05 ashimema #info Target audience is those who want to start creating plugins, using API's etc 15:05 Joubu shouldn't we announce it on the list? 15:05 fridolin +1 15:05 ashimema I have ;) 15:06 ashimema did you miss it? 15:06 Joubu ho, indeed :) 15:06 fridolin "Happy Advent" email 15:06 Joubu yup 15:06 fridolin from 01/12 15:06 * fridolin is going to seak what must be set obsolete, 19.05 is in pootle, jenkins ... 15:06 Joubu anything else? 15:06 wahanui i think anything else is necessarily going to be incremental. 15:06 fridolin not sur it is already listed 15:07 fridolin I'd like to point Bug 26991 15:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=26991 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Add action logs to search engine administration 15:07 ashimema can't think of anything 15:07 fridolin very usefull for Elastic 15:07 ashimema other than perhaps your starting to draft a roadmap for this release? 15:07 ashimema s/release/cycle 15:07 Joubu it's a general meeting fridolin, keep it for the dev meeting tonight 15:07 Joubu #topic Update from the Release Manager 15:07 fridolin ah oki sorry 15:07 Joubu 21.05 is out! And Packages are available already. 15:08 Joubu And it is, for sure, the best release ever! 15:08 tuxayo team++ 15:08 tuxayo Joubu++ 15:08 fridolin ++ 15:08 Joubu Yes, before the next one... 15:08 tuxayo mtj++ 15:08 Joubu mtj++ 15:08 Joubu definitelly, he did a great job last cycle 15:08 Joubu the ones before as well ;) 15:08 Joubu I've sent an email to koha-devel to start building a roadmap for 21.05 15:09 Joubu This is an important thing to read! 15:09 Joubu #info Read the email "start building a roadmap for 21.05" 15:09 Joubu #link https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2020-November/046157.html 15:09 Joubu There is a collaborative pad, feel free to join the existing topics I've listed and to add your own stuffs in it. 15:09 Joubu Any questions about that? 15:10 Joubu ok so, you certainly noticed the new git server. Gitea is now the web interface, even if gitweb is still there (to not break links). 15:10 Joubu Devs will have to adjust their remote URL with: git remote set-url $remote https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha.git 15:10 fridolin yep its super 15:10 Joubu #info git server moved, adjust your remote URL! 15:11 fridolin we can now easy point to source code line using permalink 15:11 ashimema ooh, yes... git server 15:11 Joubu The homepage needs a bit of tweaking, let me know if you have any ideas. 15:11 oleonard Whoa, I had NOT noticed that yet! 15:12 Joubu then you didn't git pull for week! 15:12 Joubu #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 15:12 fridolin ^^ 15:12 tuxayo hehe 15:12 fridolin yo 15:12 Joubu Some bugs have been found already, and some important ones that should be fixed for .01 are listed there: https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate 15:12 oleonard I mean the new web interface Joubu :) 15:12 fridolin i'm still warming up 15:12 fridolin going to seak what must be set obsolete, 19.05 is in pootle, jenkins ... 15:13 * ashimema will be getting going on bugs next week.. this week has been a bit challenging 15:13 Joubu we keep the project on jenkins, but we disable them 15:13 Joubu project*s* 15:13 fridolin and what Bugzilla status must be done 15:13 fridolin seen that on jenkins 15:13 wahanui I haven't seen 'that', fridolin 15:13 fridolin we must alert poeple to start translating 20.11 15:14 thd #info: Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [addressing death of sometime employer] 15:14 Joubu We can keep the 19.05 version on bugzilla, it's helpful to know if some bugs are there 15:14 tuxayo +1 15:14 fridolin yep 15:14 Joubu fridolin: the translation team has been told to translate ~3w ago 15:14 fridolin oki sorry 15:14 henryb Sorry I'm late! joubu: is the roadmap just for backend stuff or new features too e.g. the recalls function (bug 19532)? 15:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Recalls for Koha 15:15 Joubu fridolin: https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/us/19?kanban-status=1383 15:15 Joubu this is the list of actions we triggered after a relased is out 15:15 Joubu still not everything done 15:15 fridolin oki super 15:15 henryb Oh sorry, I missed the topic 15:15 Joubu henryb: it's basically the big things you are willing to spend time on them during the next 6 months 15:16 fridolin caroline: seen translation job on fr-CA, maybe we should talk how to use it in fr-FR ? 15:16 wahanui I haven't seen 'translation', fridolin 15:16 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions 15:16 oleonard You haven't seen much wahanui 15:17 fridolin we may discuss this another time 15:17 henryb #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK 15:17 Joubu henryb: did I answer your question? 15:17 henryb Yes you did. Thanks! 15:17 Joubu something else RMaints? 15:18 Joubu #topic KohaCon21 15:18 Joubu * Discuss if changes to process are requires because of COVID (Processes for KohaCons) 15:18 Joubu * Start bidding process 15:19 Joubu any suggestions? 15:20 oleonard New Zealand may have been an outlier in that they were able to offer an in-person component... I wonder if that's true for other places that might want to host? 15:20 oleonard There could still be value in keeping the geographical rotation if that means that the local host can still hold in-person events. 15:21 thd Does anyone on a COVID free island want to host KohaCon again? 15:21 Joubu oleonard: You forgot that we will get a vaccine in 1 month and in about 3 months we are back to normal 15:21 Joubu (...) 15:22 oleonard :| 15:22 tuxayo hopefully, but that might be optimistic 15:22 oleonard That may be true for some countries, I hope! 15:22 thd Joubu: Will supply of vaccine be sufficient for back to normal in three months? 15:22 oleonard Certainly not here :( 15:22 Joubu should we then ask the ML if some people are willing to organise a virtual conf for KohaCon21? 15:23 Joubu or simply announce no KohaCon21? 15:23 Joubu or postpone to the next meeting (we postponed it 3x already)? 15:24 caroline I talked with my boss and both of us were kinda feeling down that yall couldn't come 15:24 henryb Can we ask for proposals and ask whether they want to do virtual and/or virtual + in person? 15:24 tuxayo +1 15:24 caroline If we didn't lose our chance to have in person later, I could try and see if we can do a virtual one 15:25 thd Presumably, people would want to do an in person conference, but circumstances may prevent that. 15:25 ashimema we can certainly try and drum up some interest on the mailing list.. see if anyone is contemplating hosting 15:25 ashimema at the moment I think people just haven't thought about it. 15:26 Joubu can I #action a volunteer? 15:26 caroline I can send an email to the ML 15:26 oleonard Should we require that KohaCon21 have an online component? I wish we could but I worry that it might prevent some from bidding. 15:26 Joubu thanks caroline 15:27 Joubu #action caroline send an email to the ML about KohaCon21 15:27 caroline I think online should be mandatory now 15:27 Joubu yes 15:27 caroline even if in person is possible 15:28 caroline even if it's possible to go in person, not everyone can afford to go 15:28 caroline and it's not like the technology is hard to use 15:28 oleonard Okay yeah I guess if they can't offer online they can just do their own regional conference. 15:28 Joubu and we (the community) can help 15:29 Joubu moving on then? 15:29 Joubu #topic Koha Cookbook Project 15:29 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_cookbook_RFC 15:30 * fridolin likes cooking ;) 15:30 cait1 oh 15:30 cait1 sorry, i almist missed the meeting 15:30 cait1 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 15:30 Joubu no, it's the most important part 15:30 Joubu is it your topic? 15:30 cait1 too many other unimportant meetings 15:31 cait1 no it is not - maybe magnuse 15:31 cait1 but I could contribute some cake recipes :) 15:31 Joubu the history of the meeting page tells you added it 15:31 fridolin datas may use Markdown format, it great for conversions 15:31 caroline I have a maple syrup dessert I can add too :D 15:31 cait1 ok, then I don't remember! spooky. But I think the original idea was born during KohaCon and magnuse had followed up on it 15:31 Joubu ok, we need a "meeting manager" next cycle... 15:32 cait1 i think what we can do: 15:32 * liliputech_asu missed the meeting, got just in time for food ^^ 15:32 cait1 do we think it's a great idea? 15:32 liliputech_asu cait1: it is! 15:32 caroline yass! 15:32 cait1 I think so too :) 15:32 cait1 maybe it could be something to tackle after the advent calendar? 15:32 Joubu perfect for December 25th 15:33 cait1 and if we want to do it - which form should it take 15:33 cait1 i was more thinking january heh 15:33 * liliputech_asu has prepared a "croziflette" for this evening, yummy! (dish for winter) 15:33 Joubu Do we add it to the 21.05 roadmap? 15:33 Joubu (maybe people will read it then) 15:33 cait1 hm good question 15:33 cait1 not sure if i'd tie it to release 15:34 cait1 or maybe more as a side project? 15:34 caroline Should we name a "Cookbook manager"? 15:34 Joubu it's just a list of workgroup 15:34 Joubu people working on the same things at the same time 15:34 cait1 are we mixing up things now? 15:34 caroline I'm willing to be on the team 15:34 oleonard Should we have pre-defined categories like cookbooks do? (appetizers, breakfast, soups, main dish, etc) and get a minimum number of submissions for each? Or should we have it be all desserts because that's all we want to eat. 15:34 cait1 ok, maybe we could agree to have a cookbook meeting? 15:34 cait1 i see lots of great ideas here :) 15:35 caroline Cookbook meeting in January? 15:35 cait1 personally i just have a little too much on my plate (how fitting) to take a leading role rightnow for it 15:35 cait1 and then discuss what we want to use 15:35 cait1 we could do it with the manual tool for example -a lso gives us easy html and epub 15:35 Joubu so we can elect a leader, someone not around now, magnuse? 15:36 cait1 heh 15:36 cait1 i was more thinking caroline or owen 15:36 * oleonard hides 15:36 caroline I do have a lot on my plate too, but this is too fun to pass up 15:37 Joubu I'm adding it to the roadmap, just to gather a list of people who are willing to work/help on it, ok? 15:37 caroline It's like a stress release project 15:38 cait1 yep ok 15:38 cait1 for me (roadmap) 15:38 Joubu #action Joubu form a workgroup for the Koha Cookbook Project 15:38 cait1 i will sign up for helping/contributing 15:38 ashimema om, nom 15:38 cait1 but my measurements will be metric! be warned :) 15:38 Joubu everything will be metric, ofc 15:38 Joubu what else? 15:38 caroline we can have both :) 15:38 caroline cookbooks here always have both 15:39 oleonard METRIC??? (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻â”â”â”» 15:39 oleonard ;) 15:39 caroline lol! 15:39 oleonard ┬─Metric─┬ノ(ಠ_ಠノ) 15:39 * cait1 whispers to Joubu careful... 15:39 tuxayo > we can have both 15:39 tuxayo IIRK, something crashes on Mars due to that 15:39 tuxayo *crashed 15:39 Joubu I think we can provide easily conversion ;) 15:39 cait1 caroline: i think in january i might be able to share the load if you want (probably) 15:40 cait1 and maybe we can get magnus back on it too 15:40 thd recipe sign off requires inclusion of at least metric ;) 15:40 cait1 Cooking guildeline :) 15:41 cait1 ok, fun topic, but maybe we should move on 15:41 cait1 heh 15:41 Joubu I can provide a beer recipe, does it work? 15:41 fridolin also inclusing of a bootle of bier for the chef 15:41 cait1 caroline: would you be ok with remembering about a meeting in january? 15:41 caroline Can we say like jan 14? 15:41 cait1 ok for me 15:41 caroline Ok I'll set a date and send an email to the ML 15:41 cait1 thank you :) 15:41 Joubu ok, moving on 15:41 cait1 caroline++ 15:41 Joubu #topic Actions from last meeting 15:42 Joubu #topic tuxayo: update release maintenance wiki page: when something is not been being backported the status should be switched to "RESOLVED - FIXED" instead of "pushed to $RELEASE" 15:42 Joubu it's done! 15:42 tuxayo next! 15:42 Joubu tuxayo: did you send an email to the RMaints? 15:42 tuxayo yes 15:43 Joubu sorry, I am forgetting things apparently 15:43 Joubu next action is done as well 15:43 Joubu #topic cait to add KohaCon21 as topic to next meeting's agenda 15:43 Joubu done then 15:44 Joubu anything else you would like to add before the end of the meeting? 15:44 Joubu #topic Set time of next meeting 15:44 Joubu in 5w 15:44 Joubu On Jan 6th 15:44 Joubu to prevent next colision with dev meetings 15:45 Joubu #info Next meeting: 6 January 2021, 20 UTC 15:45 Joubu no objections? 15:45 Joubu #endmeeting 15:45 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 15:45:36 2020 UTC. 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I think I covered everything, but just making sure https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon21_Proposals 18:58 caroline I'm also unsure what to write for the period 18:58 cait1 does the kohacon things page help maybe? 18:59 cait1 https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Processes_for_KohaCons 18:59 caroline I added that at the top 18:59 caroline Maybe I could write the elligible continents 19:00 cait1 i believe we left the timing up ot theorganizers 19:00 cait1 as seasons/good times are different on different continents 19:00 cait1 or whatperiod did youmean? 19:01 caroline when the porposal ends and when we start voting (if there is a vote) 19:01 cait1 we are quite late this year with this 19:01 cait1 and we still need to vote... 19:01 cait1 probably can#t give it that long 19:01 caroline right 19:01 cait1 mid january? 19:02 cait1 probably unlikely to have it all decided this year still, but not sure 19:02 cait1 Joubu: ashimema: tcohen? 19:02 * cait1 is dealing with migration data again 19:02 cait1 orders that are received, paid and cancelled at the same time :( 19:02 caroline ugh... I feel for you 19:02 cait1 i start to really mistrust the systemwe are mgrating from 19:02 ashimema Hi 19:02 wahanui bidet, ashimema 19:04 caroline ashimema: what do you think we give organizations until mid january to propose themselves as hosts for Kohacon 21? 19:04 caroline we are quite late 19:04 ashimema So Mrs reasonable to me.. 19:05 ashimema Sounds.. even 19:05 ashimema Grr.. silly phone 19:05 rangi but we need to make it a requirement they have to do a hybrid one 19:05 rangi i reckon 19:05 ashimema We are indeed very late this year... Been a trying year for all 19:05 caroline then there is the voting period... ugh 19:05 ashimema I almost wonder if we might end up without any submissions this time.. could be interesting 19:06 caroline Yes I wrote it here rangi https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon21_Proposals 19:06 rangi cool thanks caroline 19:06 ashimema Normally I get a feel for a few people waiting in the wings.. I've not got that at all those year... But maybe I've just taken my eye of the ball 19:06 tuxayo > end up without any submissions 19:06 tuxayo Pretty sure there will be at least virtual proposals 19:07 caroline I know Mengu and I were interested, but that was pre-pandemic... 19:08 cait1 yeh.... and we wanted all to go and visit you! 19:08 cait1 maybe if we get hybrid ones we should not count for that continent or so 19:08 cait1 not sure 19:08 cait1 um online only 19:08 cait1 long day 19:10 caroline ok so for hybrid format, elligible conteinents are africa, americas (N and S), asia... right? 19:10 caroline if it's online only, anyone can bid 19:13 tuxayo I got a question about ClaimReturnedLostValue, is it's disabled, should we say "Claim returned is disabled" or "Return claims are disabled" in the UI? (bug 25583) 19:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=25583 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , When ClaimReturnedLostValue is not set, the claim returned tab doesn't appear 19:13 tuxayo *if it's disabled 19:37 liliputech_asu hi koha 19:37 liliputech_asu (evening more precisely) 20:08 tuxayo hi, meeting time! 20:08 tuxayo anyone to be the chair? 20:10 tuxayo I can try if there is someone else knowing the commands in case I don't find them. 20:11 liliputech_asu hi tuxayo, don't know the commands unfortunately 20:13 tuxayo Ok I think I have them all from the logs of a previous meeting. 20:14 caroline https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Chairing_meetings 20:15 tuxayo We might be having an attendance issue to having already the general meeting today ^^ 20:15 tuxayo caroline++ 20:15 tuxayo So shall I go? 20:16 caroline build it and they will come 20:16 tuxayo ok! 20:16 tuxayo #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020 20:16 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec 2 20:16:47 2020 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:16 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:16 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_2_december_2020' 20:17 tuxayo #topic Introductions 20:17 tuxayo #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France 20:17 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA 20:17 oleonard It worked. You built it and I came. 20:17 liliputech_asu #info liliputech/Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France 20:18 tuxayo he he 20:18 liliputech_asu :) 20:18 oleonard Any NZers here? rangi alexbuckley ? 20:19 tuxayo #topic Announcements 20:19 tuxayo Does anyone have something? 20:21 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ 20:21 liliputech_asu hi, during the last camp, christophe croullebois from biblibre has worked on a plugin to emulate an automaton 20:21 liliputech_asu https://github.com/biblibre/koha-plugin-sip-client-emulator 20:21 tuxayo #info during the last camp, christophe croullebois from biblibre has worked on a plugin to emulate an automaton 20:21 tuxayo #link https://github.com/biblibre/koha-plugin-sip-client-emulator 20:22 tuxayo This is great! 20:22 oleonard Neat! 20:22 liliputech_asu quite still a work in progress, but we managed to get a working SIP request builder frontend within koha, it uses sip-cli-emulator in the background 20:23 liliputech_asu there is another one 20:23 tuxayo amoyano around? (action in the agenda) 20:24 liliputech_asu claire hernandez has worked on a plugin to retrieve and display informations from wikidata about a work within koha 20:24 liliputech_asu https://github.com/biblibre/koha-plugin-linked-data 20:24 tuxayo #info claire hernandez has worked on a plugin to retrieve and display informations from wikidata about a work within koha 20:25 tuxayo #link https://github.com/biblibre/koha-plugin-linked-data 20:25 tuxayo more plugins yay :D 20:25 tuxayo #topic Update from the Release manager (21.05) 20:26 tuxayo #info 21.05 roadmap, see email on koha-devel - https://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-devel/2020-November/046157.html 20:26 tuxayo #info There is a collaborative pad, feel free to join the existing topics I've listed and to add your own stuffs in it. 20:27 tuxayo Basically, put there you christmas lists ^^ 20:27 liliputech_asu oh, then I would love to raise interest on bz 17314 20:27 tuxayo #info git.koha-community.org has been migrated 20:27 oleonard bug 17314 20:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17314 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , Routes to create, list and delete a purchase suggestion 20:28 tuxayo ok, I note that liliputech_asu 20:28 tuxayo #info Devs will have to adjust their remote URL with: git remote set-url $remote 20:28 liliputech_asu (although i still have some work on that one to get it to apply on master) 20:28 tuxayo #info git remote set-url https://git.koha-community.org/Koha-community/Koha.git 20:29 tuxayo #info 20.11: Some bugs have been found already, and some important ones that should be fixed for .01 are listed there: https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate 20:29 liliputech_asu thx for the ready-made cmd :) 20:29 tuxayo #info Enforcement of the release notes needed before push to help the documentation team 20:29 tuxayo #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers 20:29 tuxayo rmaint? 20:29 wahanui i heard rmaint was definitely a great job to find all kinds of things to fix and clarify in translations, system requirements, CI among others. 20:30 tuxayo rmaints? 20:30 wahanui rmaints is fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo 20:30 tuxayo #info oldoldstable (19.11): handover done, ready to begin backporting :) 20:32 tuxayo #topic Updates from the QA team 20:32 tuxayo qa_team? 20:32 wahanui qa_team is probably cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo 20:33 tcohen hi, sorry I cannot attend! 20:33 tuxayo no worries tcohen 20:33 MarkHofstetter #help how should I set a calculated value for a controlfield without any user intervention within a framework? 20:34 oleonard MarkHofstetter we are in the middle of a meeting at the moment 20:34 tuxayo MarkHofstetter: The meeting will be over after a moment, I'll ping you so you could reask your question 20:34 MarkHofstetter oh sorry! 20:34 cait caroline++ 20:34 cait almost missing the second meeting today! 20:35 oleonard Stick around if you can and ask again a little later MarkHofstetter 20:35 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany 20:35 tuxayo cait: you came at the right moment ^^ 20:35 lukeG1 #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions 20:36 cait i see 20:36 cait not so much to report from QA but hte things already said 20:36 caroline MarkHofstetter: start with this perhaps? https://koha-community.org/manual/20.11/en/html/administration.html#edit-a-marc-subfield 20:36 cait focus will be on the bugs found in the stable release for now 20:36 cait and to get everyone new settled in :) 20:37 tuxayo On my side, learning QA right now, quite hard to find bugs which I can QA but doing the analysis is a good way to learn 20:37 cait you can always comment that you already tested and leave it if you are unsure 20:37 liliputech_asu tuxayo++ 20:37 cait that way the work is not lost 20:38 cait sign it too 20:38 cait I believe we might have to report more next meeting 20:38 tuxayo cait: thanks, I'll try that when I'll soon finish to check the queue of bugs needing QA 20:39 tuxayo ^^ 20:39 tuxayo Anything else about QA? 20:39 cait not from me 20:39 tuxayo #topic Actions from last meeting 20:39 tuxayo amoyano around? 20:40 tuxayo davidnind not here 20:40 tuxayo #action davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth) (still working on this - feel free to reallocate) 20:40 tuxayo #action amoyano advertise 15522 and ask the list for feedback [after 20.11 is released], setup a sandbox, etc. 20:40 tuxayo #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) 20:41 tuxayo #info liliputech_asu « would love to raise interest on bz 17314» 20:41 tuxayo #info Routes to create, list and delete a purchase suggestion 20:42 tuxayo anything else to add liliputech_asu ? 20:42 tuxayo Any topic for someone else? 20:42 cait bug 17314 20:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=17314 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , Routes to create, list and delete a purchase suggestion 20:42 cait looks like it currnetly needs a rebase - is there open discussion or an issue with it? 20:43 liliputech_asu cait: need a bit of work on my side, that one got lost in limbo for too long 20:43 liliputech_asu but have 3 other patch that needs a signoff 20:44 ashimema oop 20:44 liliputech_asu bug 20985 20:44 ashimema hi 20:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=20985 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Needs Signoff , CanBookBeReserved and CanItemBeReserved should check 'On shelf holds allowed' policy 20:44 liliputech_asu bug 15261 20:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=15261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Needs Signoff , Verify if checkout or hold request periods overlap with existing holds 20:44 liliputech_asu and bug 23011 20:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23011 enhancement, P4, ---, arthur.suzuki, Needs Signoff , AuthenticatePatron could alert if password is not safe 20:45 liliputech_asu hi ashimema :) 20:45 tuxayo #info other patches highlighted by liliputech_asu: 20:45 tuxayo #info 20985 (CanBookBeReserved and CanItemBeReserved should check 'On shelf holds allowed' policy) 20:45 tuxayo #info 15261 (Verify if checkout or hold request periods overlap with existing holds) 20:46 tuxayo #info 23011 (AuthenticatePatron could alert if password is not safe) 20:46 tuxayo #topic Set time of next meeting 20:47 tuxayo That would be the 16th, but I don't know the logic about the time 20:48 cait 2 weeks time is right 20:48 cait for time I usually struggle a bit too 20:48 tuxayo I would guess if we rotate that it would be 15UTC 20:48 ashimema today was 'the late one' so next time should be mid afternoon europe time 20:48 ashimema perfect 20:48 ashimema sorry I was lacking today.. too many things on the go :( 20:49 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 16 December 2020, 15 UTC 20:49 ashimema we have a polished KohaAdvent for tomorrow now though :) 20:49 liliputech_asu :) 20:49 tuxayo ashimema++ 20:49 tuxayo #endmeeting 20:49 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec 2 20:49:27 2020 UTC. 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In the manual, only date and user are mentioned and I think that's all there is 20:55 cait i guess we need more information :) 21:01 MarkHofstetter ah thx and sorry again, things like a serial from database for internal numbering 21:02 tuxayo MarkHofstetter: no worries, you just came at a moment that required a little wait :) 21:03 MarkHofstetter eg controlnumber 001, I see the value_builder plugins but all those need/allow user intervention 21:04 caroline afaik I don't think you can save informatino without having the user at least click in the field 21:04 caroline but I may be wrong 21:05 MarkHofstetter you mentioned the user and date, where does thos happen? 21:06 caroline in the default value 21:06 caroline cait may be more apt to answer since she's the one who wrote that part ;) 21:07 cait sec reading back 21:07 caroline about the patterns for default values in the MARC framework 21:07 caroline like YYYY and USER 21:08 cait i think a way to autopopulate the 001 reliably with no user intervention woudl be very welcomed 21:08 caroline do these need the user to click in the field? 21:08 cait i had a lot of questions about that from libraries doing local ctaloguing 21:08 caroline same here 21:08 cait caroline: no, but i think they might only get populated on saving 21:08 MarkHofstetter populated on saving would be ok 21:08 cait which might be ok in this case, but they are all static values, no sequential numbering 21:09 cait we are using a variation of inventorynumberAV.pl in some libraries 21:09 cait it's similar to the newer contolnumber one i tihnk 21:10 cait it gets the next number from an authorised value based counter 21:10 cait but it's always a click 21:11 MarkHofstetter ok a on-titel-save plugin/plugabilty would be appriciated 21:12 cait I'd say so 21:12 cait especially if it allowed for sequential numbering :) 21:12 MarkHofstetter yes that would be the point for us as well 21:12 cait i htink ther are patches around somewhere to allow use of marc mod templates on saving 21:13 cait but that doesn't allow scripts like that 21:14 MarkHofstetter I'll have a look/thought into it, and I'll file a bug? 21:14 cait if you look for controlnumber or 001 you already might find some related 21:14 cait might be worth linking to them at least to get some additional attention 21:15 cait bug 23832 21:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=23832 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 001 control number auto complet or copy from 999c 21:16 cait bug 9921 21:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber 21:18 cait i am pretty sure there are others i looked at previously, but not able to spot them right now 21:21 MarkHofstetter thx for the advice and the pointers, I'll discuss it with my clients, shall I open a new one to collect all the references 21:23 cait yep sure 21:24 MarkHofstetter but tomorow :-) - cu 21:32 cait caroline: great job on the koha bidding email and page :) 21:32 caroline thanks :) 21:33 cait still catching up with events, mails and lgos from today 21:33 cait sorry i pushed you on the cookbook too! 21:33 caroline it's ok! it's a fun project 22:19 dcook tuxayo: I thought it was a technical cookbook and not a food cookbook too 22:20 oleonard Oh it's definitely technical. I heard all the measurements will be METRIC! 22:20 cait hehe 22:21 cait traumatized? 22:21 tuxayo lol, I though the metric vs imperial thing was a joke 22:23 cait are thos cups and spoon thing even imperial? 22:23 tuxayo (Due to making no sense on technical Koha cookbook) 22:24 tuxayo «United States tablespoon is approximately 14.8 mL (0.50 US fl oz), a United Kingdom and Canadian tablespoon is exactly 15 mL (0.51 US fl oz),[2] and an Australian tablespoon is 20 mL (0.68 US fl oz).» 22:25 caroline lol! just to make it complicated! 22:25 cait I tihnk german ones around 20 ml too 22:25 caroline but it's not like you have to be precise to the ml 22:28 caroline But it's still interesting, I think it should go into the notes at the end of the book :) 22:30 dcook lol 22:30 * dcook is a fan of metric 22:31 dcook Although I still have trouble sometimes wrapping my head around ovens 22:31 dcook caroline: What temperature measurements are normal in Quebec when cooking? 22:31 cait maybe a dedication to all the americans who have been traumatized in writing the book? :) 22:31 caroline Farenheit 22:31 dcook When I was a kid in the west, I remember 350-450F was the norm 22:31 dcook Now I'm all about the 180-200C heh 22:31 caroline haha! 22:32 dcook Although I recall the oven had both measures on it 22:32 dcook My parents latest one is digital but maybe that one is configurable.. 22:32 caroline Like a good canadian, I measure temperature outside in Celsius, Oven and Pool in Farenheit 22:32 dcook hehehe 22:32 dcook <3 22:32 dcook Height in feet/inches and human weight in pounds 22:32 dcook But length in metres 22:32 dcook I love Canada 22:32 caroline long distances in km, small distances in inches 22:33 dcook Yeah that's true 22:33 cait werid mix 22:33 dcook Very weird mix 22:33 caroline I don't think you can understand unless ytou're born in it 22:33 dcook So weird that you can only understand it if you've lived it I think 22:33 dcook hehe 22:33 dcook It's stuff like that which will always make me feel Canadian 22:33 dcook No matter how long I'm Australian too 22:33 dcook Although I love Aussie slang 22:33 dcook Arvo > afternoon 22:34 dcook No one has time for all those syllables.. 22:34 caroline https://www.reddit.com/r/HelloInternet/comments/czcf7u/canadian_measurement_flowchart/ 22:35 oleonard Wow 22:36 dcook I love it 22:36 dcook Australia is much more rigid about metric which is also kind of nice >_> 22:36 caroline It looks complicated, but it's implicit 22:36 dcook But then we drive on the wrong side of the road :| 22:36 dcook caroline: Yeah it's just second nature 22:37 dcook Actually, that's also a flowchart for a fairly young person 22:37 dcook When I was growing up, my father preferred using F for outdoor temperatures too 22:37 dcook Used to drive me crazy 22:37 caroline yes like our age 22:37 caroline I think Canada switched to metrics in the 70s? 22:37 dcook And technically in the country we sometimes still use miles for long distances.. 22:37 caroline so ppl who went to school before then prefer imperial 22:38 dcook caroline: I'm not sure but that sounds right 22:38 dcook In the prairies, a lot of land is segmented by miles, so it just makes more sense to talk miles sometimes 22:38 * dcook notices the Canadians have dominated the chat >_> 22:38 caroline represent! 22:38 dcook This is how Canada conquers the world. Through polite discussion. hehe. 22:39 caroline XD 22:39 oleonard Ya big bullies 22:39 dcook ^_^ 22:39 dcook Oh right.. 22:39 dcook I kind of hope that Kohacon doesn't go to Canada until I can travel there... *selfish* 22:39 caroline We're not thinking of doing it until yall can come 22:39 dcook I haven't been home in... 2 years 22:39 dcook <3 22:40 dcook I haven't been to Montreal since... 2007 O_O 22:40 dcook Want to visit some mates in Toronto.. 22:40 dcook Maybe my friend will delay her wedding in Ottawa... ehh 22:40 caroline According to Wikipedia "Metrication in Canada began in 1970 and ceased in 1985." 22:41 dcook Oh have to pop into a meeting for a minute 22:42 caroline I'll go eat 22:42 oleonard I didn't realize it had ceased... I think when I visited Canada it was probably around 1985! 22:43 caroline It's just the transition period 22:43 oleonard Oh, not aborted like we did it? 22:51 dcook Hmm query problems when using () in them except when double quoted. This sounds familiar.. 23:05 dcook Ah cool "koha-zebra --stop" doesn't seem to work. I forgot about that. 23:33 dcook Boy do I hate buildQuery... 23:41 dcook I guess Zebra/YAZ documentation is pretty terrible too..